Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying tying.
I saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it looked very
interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one from
Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

Jim

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
lobal.net...
I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying tying. I
saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it looked very
interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

Jim

Jim,
I highly recommend the Renzetti Traveler
http://www.ezflyfish.com/rentravcamvi.html, the flyshop ain't so bad either.

Op

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
lobal.net...
I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying tying. I
saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it looked very
interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

Jim



I have used a Renzetti rotary vise for about 20 years, before that a
Universal Rotary(no longer made). They do make certain aspects of tying
easier, and neater. The major insight I can offer is to find a decent
teacher for the basic steps, either a formal class or trusted(and patient)
friend to show you the basics. After that, it is simply a matter of
practice,practice, practice.
Tom

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"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

Yes, it is very helpful for some techniques. I would suggest, however, that
as a novice, you learn how to wrap materials the "hard way" before using the
rotary feature for stuff.

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

The only real downside is extra cost. You can lock it to keep it from
rotating, so it's otherwise the same as a fixed vise. No, thread twist is
not an issue (well, never has been for me.) The relatively few turns needed
to tie on most materials is inconsequential to the thread twist.

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

I'll echo the endorsements for the Renzetti Traveler.

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

Jim Edmondson wrote:
I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying
tying. I saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it
looked very interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate
the hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on
the stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will
twist, is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

I use the Sal****er Renzetti Traveler, with is useful if you want to tie
large flies (salmon, steelhead, bass, sal****er fish). You give up some
functionality for small flies, but it's still workable for them.

I rarely use my vise as a true rotary, and I feel like that's only
useful for "production" work, but it's really handy to be able to turn
the fly over to dress the undersides.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

On another note, only purchase 1/10 the tying material you need or you will
never be able to tie all the flies you have material for in a lifetime. Most
fly tiers have hoards of fly tying material, stuffed in every corner,
collected from decades collecting.

Somebody here named Frank would most likely agree.

I heard my tying material hoarding name here.
Okay, on the vise. I've got a Norvise. Its really not a beginners
tool. Yes, you can do every thing in the world with it, but a
beginner may get frustrated, loose interest... and I get another Ebay
deal on a $400 vise (when you buy all the extras, i.e. the special
bobbins, thats what its going to cost).
Renzetis are nice, but they're overpriced for a fancy pair of
Visegrips with a stand. One vise I keep going back too is my
DanVise. Its the one piece of Orvis kit that I would recommend.
Personnally, I got mine as a Danica Vise before Orvis got the rights
to them. They are a true rotary, they will take tons of beating
around, and the only thing I've replaced on mine in 12 years of use is
two O rings. And trust me on this, I've tie a bunch of flies with
this thing (my traveling fly boxes are legendary). Even better, if
you pay more than 80 bucks for it, you got ripped off.
Frank Reid

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

This is the DanVise: http://tinyurl.com/2yj4cr
Frank Reid

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

On 7 Oct, 03:15, Frank Reid wrote:
This is the DanVise: http://tinyurl.com/2yj4cr
Frank Reid

Get the extension arm for it from here;


Tight Lines - Al & Gretchen Beatty
www.btsflyfishing.com
BT's Fly Fishing Products &
Flyfisher Magazine


208-362-2663 (phone & fax)
208-861-0564 (cell)


Makes a big difference to hook access. If you are feeling kindly,
recommend it to others as well.


I wont post directly to ROFF any more, but people should know about
this.

TL
MC

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

On 7 Oct, 04:02, Mike wrote:
On 7 Oct, 03:15, Frank Reid wrote:

This is the DanVise: http://tinyurl.com/2yj4cr
Frank Reid

Get the extension arm for it from here;

Tight Lines - Al & Gretchen Beattywww.btsflyfishing.com
BT's Fly Fishing Products &
Flyfisher Magazine


208-362-2663 (phone & fax)
208-861-0564 (cell)

Makes a big difference to hook access. If you are feeling kindly,
recommend it to others as well.

I wont post directly to ROFF any more, but people should know about
this.

TL
MC

Sorry, forgot the link;

http://btsflyfishing.com/danvise.htm

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

vices, snip snip

I have a Renzetti presentation 3000. I love the thing. It has
plenty of room to work arround the hook. If you have large hands like me,
you will appreciate the room. It is pricy at $350 but will last a lifetime
and after all if flytying is your passion, whats money ?
Edmond Dantes

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

I hate the Nor-vise. It's the most awkward thing I've ever used. ANY rotary
I've used is a better vise.
Ole Herb will give your money back - eventually and grudgingly! It took a
while and some hassle but he finally did.

Save yourself some grief. go with any recommendation but his.

John

"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
lobal.net...
I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying tying. I
saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it looked very
interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

Jim

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

I have a Renzetti presentation 3000. I love the thing. It has
plenty of room to work arround the hook. If you have large hands like me,
you will appreciate the room. It is pricy at $350 but will last a lifetime
and after all if flytying is your passion, whats money ?
Edmond Dantes

Because we're talking about a beginner here.
Frank Reid

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

well, as can be seen, there are a lot of differing opinions here, regarding
rotary vises. Taking into consideration that the OP was a pure beginner, I
used to echo the advice given by another to learn on a non-rotary vise.
However, if one can afford a decent true-rotary, I would now advise to learn
from the start on it. The Renzetti traveler is a solid true-rotary to learn
on. I would very much differ from my friend Frank R, who feels the Danvise
to be superior. It isn't, to my mind. I know a couple of pros here in PA who
had, and discarded Danvises because of their clumsiness in use. They are,
IMO, poorly designed for free hand movement, and the Renzetti design is
VASTLY superior.
As for the Nor-Vise, Frank is correct here, it is not a vise for beginners.
I don't really find it a comfortable vise for me at any point in time. When
I bought my Renzetti Presentation(21 years ago), I had a choice of that one
or a Nor-Vise. I watched a demo of the latter, and was allowed to tie on it
for a few days at home, and returned it for the Renzetti. As for
long-lasting, bang-for-buck issues, I have had the Presentation since 1986,
they still honor the warranty, but I never need it. Other than replacement
jaws, I have never had anything wear out, and this includes a 10 year period
of tying 1200-1500 dozen flies per year, and at least 300 dozen every year I
have owned the thing. They are tough buggers......
Tom

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

Hi Jim,

Jim Edmondson a écrit :

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate
the hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

Yes it is.

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on
the stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will
twist, is this an issue?

Not an issue at all. Thread will twist anyway when you get it on the hook.

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

I have a Dyna-King Barracuda and it can take a beating without any
problem and it hold hooks from size 24 to 2/0 (the smallest and largest
I tied) without any problem. I had others vices before, Regal and
Sunrise, and would not go back.

--
Hope to read you soon,

Denis
www.uqtr.ca/~lamyd

You'll have to eat the SPAM to E-mail

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In article , Opus--Mark H. Bowen
wrote:



Jim,
I highly recommend the Renzetti Traveler
http://www.ezflyfish.com/rentravcamvi.html, the flyshop ain't so bad either.

Op


I also use the Renzetti Traveller. Things like this should last a
lifetime (like saucepans), and buying something good is money well
spent. You can leave it to your grandchildren in your will.

that said, I don't use it all that often any more. Many, probably most
of my trout flies are tied using a really rubbish tiny little hand-held
vice, or without a vise at all, just using my fingers.

I strongly advise you to try, from time to time, tying with just your
fingers. Even if (like me) you have cruddy arthritis, it's still very
liberating to know that you can spot a natural fly on the riverbank,
pick a hook out of your dubbing bag, and make a decent imitation with
your bare hands.

It may look rough to you, but in my experience the fish tend to find
'oddity' an attractive quality - perhaps looking like a misformed or
mishatched - and therefore vulnerable - natural.

Even though my fingers are quite crippled, I tie down to size 18.

Lazasru

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "rb608" wrote:
"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

Yes, it is very helpful for some techniques. I would suggest, however, that
as a novice, you learn how to wrap materials the "hard way" before using the
rotary feature for stuff.

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

The only real downside is extra cost. You can lock it to keep it from
rotating, so it's otherwise the same as a fixed vise. No, thread twist is
not an issue (well, never has been for me.) The relatively few turns needed
to tie on most materials is inconsequential to the thread twist.

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one
from Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

I'll echo the endorsements for the Renzetti Traveler.

I'm a newbie, who has only been tying for a year now. I followed this
advice and did not use the rotary feature at first. Later, I found
the rotary feature to be quite handy, but something I could have lived
without if I had to. I have a Peak vise that was very reasonable.
It's a basic no-frills vise, but it seems to be sturdy as a rock. I
couldn't have afforded one of the more expensive vises. Also, FWIW, I
contacted Peak with a question and they were amazingly helpful (they
ended up mailing me a part for free......who does THAT anymore?).

- Dave K.

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

I've been using a NorVise since Norm Norlander introduce them to the market , I've gone through 4 sets of jaws(just got my latest one) Norm says their rated for around 200,000 plus flies , But I also have a sewing machine motor and treadle foot control(on floor) mounted to mine....I love it, being a Commerical Alaska Fly tyer I can tie a coho in around 45 seconds ! I did run We Tie Company in Anchor Point, Alaska for the last 18 years , but now I'm taking what I do one step farer. I make My own Glass FishHooks and tie different fly pattrens on them for Christmas Ornaments , also Wall and Desk Placques. Have a 4 inch mouse(deerhair) on a desk placque , also 4 inch Mosquito(7 total) Mobile......burned my house down 2 years back so its slow coming back onto the market while trying to rebuild.....if interested in my ideals an would like to see any of the above I'm
to answer your question : it's hard to begin with , but you'll love both the vise an bobbin after practice an lots of it .,......you want that thread to twist if your dubbing , but tying small flies not to much on the spinning. Glad to answer any and all question Steelhead on the Anchor River is GREAT this year!!:o)
"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message lobal.net...
I have been fly fishing for about a year and am thinking of trying tying.
I saw some videos on the Nor-Vise rotating vise system and it looked very
interesting. A couple of questions:

For those experienced tyers out there, is having the ability to rotate the
hook as useful as it appears to a novice?

What are the downsides? One thing I thought of is with the bobbin on the
stand and the hook rotating to add body materials, the thread will twist,
is this an issue?

Are there other rotating vise systems out there in addition to the one from
Nor-Vise tha I should consider?

Thanks for any insights that you can offer.

Jim

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

"Frank Reid" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a Renzetti presentation 3000. I love the thing. It has
plenty of room to work arround the hook. If you have large hands like me,
you will appreciate the room. It is pricy at $350 but will last a
lifetime
and after all if flytying is your passion, whats money ?
Edmond Dantes

Because we're talking about a beginner here.
Frank Reid

Rotary Fly Tying Vises
 

"Frank Reid" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a Renzetti presentation 3000. I love the thing. It has
plenty of room to work arround the hook. If you have large hands like me,
you will appreciate the room. It is pricy at $350 but will last a
lifetime
and after all if flytying is your passion, whats money ?
Edmond Dantes

Because we're talking about a beginner here.
Frank Reid


I hate cheapness in a man !
Edmond Dantes