When to drive?
 

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

When to drive?
 

bOn Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Um, 'tripper seems to be politely saying that which I'll not so
delicately trod...

IOW, he ****ed up, lucked out, ****ed up the luck-out, and now, you're
wondering how to accommodate your schedule around his irresponsible
double-play...OK...I'm curious - how are you planning to rationalize
(with a heavy dose on the "ration") that he's going to learn a
motherflockin' thing from this...? Why not just call wayno and fire up
the checkbook, retainer-wise? You asked for opinions, so here's mine:
He's a college kid who got caught improperly operating a what amounts to
a deadly weapon, not some toddler who spilled his milk. Leave it to him
to figure things out, and if he's not set and legal to leave when
planned, tough **** for him.

HTH,
R

When to drive?
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Ah - so you already threw out The Third Evil: throttling said son and leaving
him behind ;-)

If you trust son to share the driving - and he still has a functional licence
- I'd say go with The Second Evil and try to nap in the car...

/daytripper (we'll likely catch you at lunch)

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"rb608" wrote in message
news:03XOi.8776$br2.8395@trndny03...
The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification
from the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension
is to take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead
of making Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at
least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours
sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half
day of fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide
which is the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

I'd be more concerned that the court gave your son a Peanut Butter Jelly
(PBJ) sandwich and not the customary Prayer for Judgement Continued (PJC).

Op

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rb608 typed:
snip
So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours
sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a
half day of fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying
to decide which is the lesser of the two evils.

Door number two, Monty.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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rb608 wrote:
...
So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

If it was me I'd get up early and drive in the morning. I
don't usually fish until after brunch anyway and I'd rather
miss a half day of fishing than start a vacation wiped out.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"rb608" wrote in
news:03XOi.8776$br2.8395@trndny03:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring
has managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college
classes on Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip
forward a day, no problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all
is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition
he complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the
notification from the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a
license suspension is to take the class on the night we're scheduled
to leave. So, instead of making Altmar by midnight, we're looking at
not even leaving until at least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours
sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a
half day of fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying
to decide which is the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.



I'd go without him.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On Oct 9, 11:58 pm, daytripper wrote:
Ah - so you already threw out The Third Evil: throttling said son and leaving
him behind ;-)

Yeah, it's only a few hours, the fish will wait.

When to drive?
 

On Oct 9, 10:47 pm, "rb608" wrote:
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.


Hmmm. To tell you the truth, I had been leaning toward the former,
but the responses are overwhelmingly for the latter. I'll have to
think about this.

I'll add to the background that I really don't need to catch fish all
day for three days. Offspring OTOH really loves this way more that I
expected him to, and at this point, probably has more fun than I.
Also, my BFB will be there a day earlier, and, if Offspring sleeps on
the way up, he can get up and fish with BFB while I catch some morning
zzz.

When to drive?
 

Get the car loaded early nap from 6pm til 11pm drink coffee take a
dump leave by midnight.........But as punishment make son prepare all
meals cook cleanup and generaly be the camp bitch thats the least he
can do for the hit your insurance rate is going to take..............

When to drive?
 

"rb608" wrote in message
news:03XOi.8776$br2.8395@trndny03...

I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two evils. Joe F.

In my life I have missed out on a lot of things putting my family first.
But I wouldn't hesitate in a second to keep it that way.
-tom

When to drive?
 

typed:
bOn Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1
offspring has managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his
college classes on Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push
the trip forward a day, no problem. Lodging reservations were
revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the
condition he complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses
the notification from the MVA until the only possible way he can
avoid a license suspension is to take the class on the night we're
scheduled to leave. So, instead of making Altmar by midnight, we're
looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the
way. Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to
fish on a couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get
a few hours sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the
morning, missing a half day of fishing? There's really no good
answer here, I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two
evils.

Joe F.

Um, 'tripper seems to be politely saying that which I'll not so
delicately trod...

IOW, he ****ed up, lucked out, ****ed up the luck-out, and now, you're
wondering how to accommodate your schedule around his irresponsible
double-play...OK...I'm curious - how are you planning to rationalize
(with a heavy dose on the "ration") that he's going to learn a
motherflockin' thing from this...? Why not just call wayno and fire
up the checkbook, retainer-wise? You asked for opinions, so here's
mine: He's a college kid who got caught improperly operating a what
amounts to a deadly weapon, not some toddler who spilled his milk.
Leave it to him to figure things out, and if he's not set and legal
to leave when planned, tough **** for him.

Hmmmm, uh, no - not for me, at least. There are plenty of other ways to
teach the lessons, but I think there is more to be gained by taking Son on
the fishing trip. At that age, you never know when the interests and life
will shift, and Joe could miss out on what may be the last fishing trip with
his son - at least for a while. Coming up soon are all the interuptions of
father/son relationships - you know, serious girlfriends, jobs, etc. Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...

...I can't recall someone ever telling me they spent too much time with
their children. ;-)

True, true. All the time I've spent with my children here in ROFF has
exacted a heavy toll on my personal life.......but I don't begrudge them a
single moment of it.

Wolfgang
for whom duty is, as it should be for all, a privilege.

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On Oct 10, 10:24 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)


You are correct, of course. I'd as soon not go at all as not take him
along. Being with him is the purpose of the trip; fishing is only the
excuse.

Joe F.

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rb608 wrote in
ups.com:

On Oct 10, 10:24 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't
recall someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their
children. ;-)


You are correct, of course. I'd as soon not go at all as not take him
along. Being with him is the purpose of the trip; fishing is only the
excuse.

Joe F.


Sounds to me like you're more interested in going than he is, but that's
besides the point.

If it was me, and I wanted to entertain both options, I'd be calling
Malinda and making sure she's willing to accommodate the 4AM check-in.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On Oct 10, 9:09 am, Mike wrote:
thats the least he
can do for the hit your insurance rate is going to take..............

fingers crossed So long as he stays out of traffic court for a year,
there are no insurance ramifications for the PBJ. He paid the fines,
court costs, & course fee out of his own pocket, amounting to about 20
hours at his pay rate. I expect that's a pinch he'll feel. :-)

Joe F.

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On Oct 10, 11:52 am, Scott Seidman
wrote:
Sounds to me like you're more interested in going than he is,

Not more interested, just different interested. For me, I've been
doing this for 15+ years; & sometimes the logistics part gets old,
more so now that there are two of us to coordinate. It's still new &
fun for him. Once the reels start singing though, it's all worth it.

If it was me, and I wanted to entertain both options, I'd be calling
Malinda and making sure she's willing to accommodate the 4AM check-in.

My expectation is that I'll arrive at Altmar about the time most
guests will be dragging their asses out of bed in the morning anyway.
Malinda is cool with the late arrival, so long as I don't wake *her*
up. :-)

Joe F.

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On Oct 9, 9:47 pm, "rb608" wrote:
The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Get a good night sleep. Drive to fish. Bonk a couple for dinner. Then
quit.

Bone

When to drive?
 

"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 9, 9:47 pm, "rb608" wrote:
The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring
has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day,
no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification
from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is
to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of
making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10
p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours
sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day
of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which
is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Get a good night sleep. Drive to fish. Bonk a couple for dinner. Then
quit.

Moron.

Wolfgang

When to drive?
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:24:36 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
bOn Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1
offspring has managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his
college classes on Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push
the trip forward a day, no problem. Lodging reservations were
revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the
condition he complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses
the notification from the MVA until the only possible way he can
avoid a license suspension is to take the class on the night we're
scheduled to leave. So, instead of making Altmar by midnight, we're
looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the
way. Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to
fish on a couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get
a few hours sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the
morning, missing a half day of fishing? There's really no good
answer here, I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two
evils.

Joe F.

Um, 'tripper seems to be politely saying that which I'll not so
delicately trod...

IOW, he ****ed up, lucked out, ****ed up the luck-out, and now, you're
wondering how to accommodate your schedule around his irresponsible
double-play...OK...I'm curious - how are you planning to rationalize
(with a heavy dose on the "ration") that he's going to learn a
motherflockin' thing from this...? Why not just call wayno and fire
up the checkbook, retainer-wise? You asked for opinions, so here's
mine: He's a college kid who got caught improperly operating a what
amounts to a deadly weapon, not some toddler who spilled his milk.
Leave it to him to figure things out, and if he's not set and legal
to leave when planned, tough **** for him.

Hmmmm, uh, no - not for me, at least. There are plenty of other ways to
teach the lessons, but I think there is more to be gained by taking Son on
the fishing trip. At that age, you never know when the interests and life
will shift, and Joe could miss out on what may be the last fishing trip with
his son - at least for a while. Coming up soon are all the interuptions of
father/son relationships - you know, serious girlfriends, jobs, etc. Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)

Ah...the ol' Harry Chapin ration...alization...

Hey, maybe some punishments do "hurt" the parent more than it "hurts"
the child, but it seems that at the end of the day, it's what _helps_
the child that matters...and notice I didn't say he shouldn't be allowed
to go, only that his going (as originally planned) be conditioned on his
straightening out the situation he created...you know, sorta like
responsible adult-type people have to do...

TC,
R

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rb608 wrote in news:1192033226.740684.221800
@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Not more interested, just different interested. For me, I've been
doing this for 15+ years; & sometimes the logistics part gets old,
more so now that there are two of us to coordinate. It's still new &
fun for him. Once the reels start singing though, it's all worth it.

Gotcha-- and it does indeed sound like the kid might NEED the trip more!

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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typed:
snip
Hey, maybe some punishments do "hurt" the parent more than it "hurts"
the child, but it seems that at the end of the day, it's what _helps_
the child that matters...

.. . . and I'm contending that the fishing trip is more helpful for the
"child" than the punitive measures you're suggesting.

and notice I didn't say he shouldn't be
allowed to go, only that his going (as originally planned) be
conditioned on his straightening out the situation he created...

Okay. . . should he call the traffic school and tell them to reschedule?
Something tells me the state probably isn't going to go for that.

you know, sorta like responsible adult-type people have to do...

.. . . which is what is happening - the "child" is waiting until after the
class before he goes. It just so happens his dad is waiting, too.

.. . . and, FWIW, Harry Chapin had a point. Not a particularly good song, but
a point, nonetheless. Now, Coconut - *there* is a good song.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Tim J. wrote:
typed:


. . . and, FWIW, Harry Chapin had a point. Not a particularly good song, but
a point, nonetheless. Now, Coconut - *there* is a good song.

If you referring to the Lime and Coconut song that was Harry Nielson.

Russell

But you other points were right on.

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Russell D. typed:
Tim J. wrote:
typed:


. . . and, FWIW, Harry Chapin had a point. Not a particularly good
song, but a point, nonetheless. Now, Coconut - *there* is a good
song.

If you referring to the Lime and Coconut song that was Harry Nielson.

Thanks, Russell. Please pass this info on to Scott S. I'm not sure if he's
aware of this song or the author.
--
TL,
Tim
(Brother bought a coconut . . . c'mon - *everybody*!)
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Russell D." wrote in news:5n51i2Fft1igU1
@mid.individual.net:

Nielson.


Nillson

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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Get a good night sleep. Drive to fish. Bonk a couple for dinner. Then
quit.

Do you invite that couple to have some fish afterwards?
(inquiring minds wanna know)
Frank Reid

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Scott Seidman wrote:
"Russell D." wrote in news:5n51i2Fft1igU1
@mid.individual.net:

Nielson.


Nillson


When I looked at this I said, "Yep, he's right." Then I looked at it
again and it didn't look right. Upon further review it is "Nilsson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Nilsson


Russell

When to drive?
 

Hey.... who am i to give advice about your interaction w your son... as
we all know u will do what u think is correct.

I raised my son from age 6.... so i know all about plans and them
changing w the other things that must be done. He also happens to be my
best friend.

My son is now 24 and in Korea... i haven't seen him in over a year...
and really don't know exactly when that will happen.

I am an old father now.... but can tell u that your son is watching
u... and assimilating your values and assessing how a man makes his way
through life.

Part of what he is seeing is how your family values are instituted....
whether just nice talk or if they are real.... and he will treat his
family pretty much the way he sees you doing it.

Any way you play it w this trip will be fine... a young man needs to
know he is important..... your have shown from your posts that he is to
you.

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will be
just that.... enjoy the days.


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"artist" wrote in message
...

Hey.... who am i to give advice about your interaction w your son... as
we all know u will do what u think is correct.

I raised my son from age 6.... so i know all about plans and them
changing w the other things that must be done. He also happens to be my
best friend.

My son is now 24 and in Korea... i haven't seen him in over a year...
and really don't know exactly when that will happen.

I am an old father now.... but can tell u that your son is watching
u... and assimilating your values and assessing how a man makes his way
through life.

Part of what he is seeing is how your family values are instituted....
whether just nice talk or if they are real.... and he will treat his
family pretty much the way he sees you doing it.

Any way you play it w this trip will be fine... a young man needs to
know he is important..... your have shown from your posts that he is to
you.

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will be
just that.... enjoy the days.
artist

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.
It's great to spend time with your kids and watch them grow. It won't be
long before the kids are out of the nest and become adults making their own
decisions in life.
One of the best things I've told my Daughter and Son, is; my doors are
always open, and they could come talk to me about anything, on any subject
at anytime. And surprisingly they have on many occasions.
I used to get the normal Father's Day cards and gifts through the years, but
right before my son went off to college, he gave me a hand written card that
said; "Hey Dad, thanks for always being there for me."
Enjoy parenting, the kids grow fast.
-tom

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
"artist" wrote in message
Hey.... who am i to give advice about your interaction w your son...
That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.

Not that I don't appreciate the opinions & discussion, but I'm not entirely
sure when I soilicited parenting advice. Really, I was just looking for
opinions on the drive time. Perhaps I offered too much background info on
the question.

Enjoy parenting, the kids grow fast.

Boy is that the truth.

Joe F.

When to drive?
 

rb608 typed:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
"artist" wrote in message
Hey.... who am i to give advice about your interaction w your son...
That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.

Not that I don't appreciate the opinions & discussion, but I'm not
entirely sure when I soilicited parenting advice.

Fer cryin' out loud - this is ROFF!! We don need no steenkin' solicitation!

If you need us again in the future, we're here to serve. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

When to drive?
 

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will be
just that.... enjoy the days.
artist

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.
It's great to spend time with your kids and watch them grow. It won't be
long before the kids are out of the nest and become adults making their own
decisions in life.

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. The first thing she wanted was Mom and Dad. Yes, we had some
great "discussions" whilst she was growing up, we weren't always her
best friends, but we were always and continue to be there for her and
her sister. Hug 'em and love 'em every chance you can get.
Frank Reid

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Frank Reid typed:
Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now.

Damn, Frank - that's not good news. My thoughts and prayers are with you and
your family.
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"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Frank Reid typed:
Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now.

Damn, Frank - that's not good news. My thoughts and prayers are with you
and your family.
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Tim
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Our hearts are with you and your family Frank.
-tom

When to drive?
 

Frank Reid wrote:

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. ...

Whoa damn. So sorry to hear that Frank. My thoughts and
prayers are with you and your family. May your daughter
have a speedy and complete recovery.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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rb608 wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message

"artist" wrote in message

Hey.... who am i to give advice about your interaction w your son...

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.


Not that I don't appreciate the opinions & discussion, but I'm not entirely
sure when I soilicited parenting advice. Really, I was just looking for
opinions on the drive time. Perhaps I offered too much background info on
the question.


Enjoy parenting, the kids grow fast.


Boy is that the truth.

Joe F.



OK...my vote is drive all night, fish all the next day, then sleep.
hell, you ain't gonna live that much longer, and the kid can handle it! g

jeff

When to drive?
 

Frank Reid wrote:

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will be
just that.... enjoy the days.
artist

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.
It's great to spend time with your kids and watch them grow. It won't be
long before the kids are out of the nest and become adults making their own
decisions in life.


Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. The first thing she wanted was Mom and Dad. Yes, we had some
great "discussions" whilst she was growing up, we weren't always her
best friends, but we were always and continue to be there for her and
her sister. Hug 'em and love 'em every chance you can get.
Frank Reid


WTF!!?? has she inherited your...uh...well, she probably has your
resilience too. thinking of you and yours.

jeff

When to drive?
 

Frank Reid wrote in
ps.com:

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will
be just that.... enjoy the days.
artist

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.
It's great to spend time with your kids and watch them grow. It won't
be long before the kids are out of the nest and become adults making
their own decisions in life.

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. The first thing she wanted was Mom and Dad. Yes, we had some
great "discussions" whilst she was growing up, we weren't always her
best friends, but we were always and continue to be there for her and
her sister. Hug 'em and love 'em every chance you can get.
Frank Reid



I'm sorry, Frank.

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Totally my mistake boys....

Thought you were registered users and sincere....

I see now that you are spoofing and have no idea you weren't asking
about decisions in safety and showing your young man how men make
decisions.

Please disregard my post and have fun with the most important thing in
your life... fishing.

Best of luck in your endeavour and your obvious phishing.


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artist wrote:
Totally my mistake boys....

Thought you were registered users and sincere....

Some clueless idiot conflated his lame-assed New Jersey
fly fishing bulletin board with rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

Please direct your whining to the idiot administrator of
the lame-assed New Jersey bulletin board you thought you
were posting on.

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Ken Fortenberry