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Will Global Warming Affect Our Fishing?
We can't ignore it, Global Warming is here and over time it is bound
to affect our Sport of Fishing.In some areas, in a worst case scenario, rivers and lakes will run dry. In other areas of the world, rainfall may increase enough to create new rivers and lakes.As the seasons become warmer it gives the fish a longer period of growth each year, so they will become larger and record fish will be caught more frequently. Now that can't be a bad thing.How this Global Warming thingy will affect sea fishing I don't know. It may mean fish will just move to other areas and the fisherman/fisherwoman will need to find the new spots.Things are bound to change over time, there is nothing we can do, only adapt to whatever happens.Albert.BWebmaster http://fishingcave.com |
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"The Web site JunkScience.com has raised its "prize" offering from
$100,000 to $125,000 for anyone who can actually supply proof that human emissions of greenhouse gases are causing global warming. In presenting its Ultimate Global Warming Challenge, the Web site states: "If you think it's a no-brainer that humans are causing catastrophic global warming, here's your opportunity to earn an easy $125,000." The challenge: "$125,000 will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming." If you really beleive in Gore's stuff, go for it. Get a bunch of money easily. All you gotta do is prove your claims. No one has, so far. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
"The Web site JunkScience.com has raised its "prize" offering from $100,000 to $125,000 for anyone who can actually supply proof that human emissions of greenhouse gases are causing global warming. In presenting its Ultimate Global Warming Challenge, the Web site states: "If you think it's a no-brainer that humans are causing catastrophic global warming, here's your opportunity to earn an easy $125,000." The challenge: "$125,000 will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming." If you really beleive in Gore's stuff, go for it. Get a bunch of money easily. All you gotta do is prove your claims. No one has, so far. LOL !! If the IPCC can't collect then "The Challenge" is bull****. Here's a "challenge" for you Ronnie: "One Budweiser will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that the earth is round." All you gotta do is prove it to my satisfaction. No one has, so far. LOL !! -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ronnie" wrote:
"The Web site JunkScience.com has raised its "prize" offering from $100,000 to $125,000 for anyone who can actually supply proof that human emissions of greenhouse gases are causing global warming. The Nobel committee has apparently decided that Al Gore has already done so. In presenting its Ultimate Global Warming Challenge, the Web site states: "If you think it's a no-brainer that humans are causing catastrophic global warming, here's your opportunity to earn an easy $125,000." The challenge: "$125,000 will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming." If you really beleive in Gore's stuff, go for it. Get a bunch of money easily. All you gotta do is prove your claims. No one has, so far. I guess it depends on what you consider a standard for proof. In the scientific community, it's not 100%. There is always the understanding that scientific certainty about future events such as catastrophic climate change is simply not attainable until after the fact. The problem is that if Gore is right there might not be a scientific community after the fact. I'll leave it to more smarter, knowledgeable folks to say whether Gore is right. I read his book and I've read a few others on the subject. I've also had conversations with a friend who is a scientist with the NAS. From what I've been able to learn so far, it seems to me that we're on the path to disaster. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm old enough that it probably won't be in my lifetime so I may never know for sure. But I have children and one of these days I'll have grandchildren. I sure hope we leave them a habitable planet. -- Regards, Robert L Bass ============================= Bass Home Electronics 941-925-8650 4883 Fallcrest Circle Sarasota · Florida · 34233 http://www.bassburglaralarms.com ============================= |
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I'm old enough that it probably won't be in my lifetime so I may never know for sure. But I have children and one of these days I'll have grandchildren. I sure hope we leave them a habitable planet. -- Regards, Robert L Bass ========== Life is like a "fungus" on little bits of the Universe....occasionally the Universe takes a bath and rids its self of the pesky stuff. Until then, relax and enjoy your brief stay! So, lets all go fishing before we get the "Clorox" dumped on us :). Besides that, a few idiots with "hair triggers" will probably take care of the clean up before global warming has her chance! |
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We can't ignore it, Global [SPAMMING]...
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When I was working on my first Masters Degree back in the mid 1970s I
had to write a report on Global Cooling and the Coming Ice Age as predicted by most of the so called experts at the time. It even made the cover of Time Magazine in 1975. I was young and gullible back then and accepted what the media was spouting without looking for opposing views. No more. I have no doubt the dire predictions of global warming are just as accurate as the dire predictions of global cooling 30 years ago. I hope I have another 25 years to live and don't doubt I will see full cycle and predictions of a new ice age by 2032. For all you true believers -. What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint? Please tell us what changes you have made in your lifestyle the past two or three years to combat your global warming? What changes are you willing to make in the next year? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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For some of the other ideas:
Nature, not man, is to blame, Gore critic insists By Steve Lyttle CHARLOTTE, N.C. - One of the world's foremost meteorologists Friday called the theory that helped Al Gore win a share of the Nobel Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works." Rest at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...belgray13.html for those willing to think. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
For some of the other ideas: Nature, not man, is to blame, Gore critic insists By Steve Lyttle CHARLOTTE, N.C. - One of the world's foremost meteorologists Friday called the theory that helped Al Gore win a share of the Nobel Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works." Rest at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...belgray13.html for those willing to think. Listen to a lot of Limbaugh, do ya Ronnie ? "For those willing to think", that's funny. The IPCC is not some media creation foisted upon the American people by left wing loonies. They represent the vast majority of real climate scientists in the world and their consensus is the scientific consensus. I do hold the media responsible for blatant misrepresentation however because they give equal weight to the rapidly diminishing number of denier crackpots. For every blurb on a crackpot like you cite in the Seattle paper there should be, in all fairness, two or three hundred blurbs on real science. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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What's so bad about global warming? we have had for the last 20,000
years, so they will grow Oranges in N.Y. that's a good thing :-) Our planet has had the cycles since the beginning,, it has been a lot hotter than it is now. The planet is in constant change,, now we want to "stop" that change,, we like it like it is. All it will take is one really big volcano blowing it's top "again", and we will be in another Ice age. It's going to happen,, just like it has happened before, man can do nothing to stop that. As far as the CO2 problem,, there is a solution,, put it back where it came from, they have a way to do that , that is very cheep, and very fast,( seeding the southern seas with iron dust), but it is politically incorrect, the left wing wants us to stop using fossil fuels, PERIOD !!!! If we corrected the CO2 problem,, they could not force that. SO they will keep the solution in their hip pocket until it is really needed, then do it,, all is fixed. There is no reason to do it yet, that's why they haven't. -- SpecTastic Wiggle Rig, Fishing lure remote control See lure video you won't believe http://ezknot.com/videos.html |
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I don't remember ever listening to Rush Limbaugh, but I guess I
should check him out based on the way he makes liberals rant and rave. I am not surprised you call Professor William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU), and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project at CSU's Department of Atmospheric Sciences. a "denier crackpot." Maybe you can really cut him down and claim he listens to Rush Limbaugh, rather than consider his opinion based on years of research. I know you think anyone disagreeing with you is always wrong so why bother to think about anything someone like him has to say. There may be a big majority of people claiming global warming is man's fault. I don't remember any "denier crackpots" in the 1970s saying we were not in for a new ice age within a few years. The global cooling guys were in a huge majority. That didn't make them right. I ask you again, as a true believer - What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint? Please tell us what changes you have made in your lifestyle the past two or three years to combat your global warming? What changes are you willing to make in the next year? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
I don't remember ever listening to Rush Limbaugh, ... You sure sound like him by suggesting that "those willing to think" will ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus of the vast majority of real scientists all over the world and believe some crackpot conspiracy theory. Is that what you call "willing to think" ? I ask you again, as a true believer - What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint? Please tell us what changes you have made in your lifestyle the past two or three years to combat your global warming? What changes are you willing to make in the next year? We no longer fly, when we have to travel we go Amtrak. As our lightbulbs burn out we're replacing them with those ugly fluorescents that look like the light over an embalming table. My wife bikes to work, I work here at the house and do the vast majority of my banking, shopping and even nighttime bar hopping on the old Schwinn. As for the future when we have to replace the Forester we're gonna go hybrid. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ronnie wrote:
I ask you again, as a true believer - What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint? Please tell us what changes you have made in your lifestyle the past two or three years to combat your global warming? What changes are you willing to make in the next year? I don't have a carbon foot print myself,, I keep the floor swept up of all the carbon on it,, if that is all people need to do is reduce their carbon foot prints,, Wal-Mart sells brooms cheap :-) Where in the world did they come up with the term "carbon footprint"?? Talk about really blowing out of proportion a problem, it's like there is so much carbon we have expelled, it's soot all over the ground we leave foot prints in. 30 years ago it was acid rain,, well "I" fixed that, yep "I" built the first ever Flu Gas desulpherization (I never could spell that) plant "that ever worked" in 1982 for the US Government,, "I" was "over" the whole project. It is now the standard world wide. by the way I have proof of this, I am not blowing any smoke (pardon the pun) up your butts. I was the project engineer at Zurn Air Systems, we built it at the Mississippi Army ammunition plant. It was the first "ever". Zurn hired me as the scape goat, they got the bid, but thought it would never work, as other companies had tried, and failed, they needed someone to blame when it failed,, well it didn't fail, it actually worked from the first time we turned it on. The government used it as the model which all other plants have been built on, and have freely given the plans to all industrialized nations (the company told me with a laugh about the scape goat thing after the project was over, I thought they were kidding,, I was assured they were not :-) They really thought no one could make one work reliably enough to stay in service 99% of the time. Y'all are welcome, as acid rain "did" affect fishing I got out of air pollution control business in the late 80's, but I have been asked to get back into it just this last year (by some mega company), concerning this CO2 problem, and global warming. I guess they found my name somewhere on fixing the acid rain problem. After some research,, I saw they already had the best solution, when they ever really want to correct the problem, it's so simple, very cheap (no one is going to make billions from it, another reason it is not being done today) and very fast, in 3 years they can reduce the CO2 levels back to the levels of the 1940's, in 6 years they could get the levels back to the 1700's,, oh wait, we had a "Little Ice Age" back then, maybe we don't need to go quite that far. Of course the solution has been bad mouthed by good old Al, and his flunkies,, I mean their money would stop coming in, so would all the other funds to all the so-called experts looking at this thing, and people would stop hyping this "oil" over usage. These guys would loose the lime light they are now in,, and just fade away. What gets me the same people hyping about the oil,, are against the solution to that as well , nuclear power plants, then covert the cheap electricity to hydrogen, and run your cars on that, if they still want to use I.C.E.'s, personally I want an electric 4X4 and bass boat People, we already have the technology, it's just about politics, money, and fame. -- SpecTastic Wiggle Rig, Fishing lure remote control See lure video you won't believe http://ezknot.com/videos.html |
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Back to the original spam.
Records of temperaturs show a .7 of a degree C rise in temperatures in the past 100 years. That is as measured at selected sites and mostly applies to northern hemisphere sites. The claims of global warming believers is that the the average global temperature will rise 3 to 5 degrees over the next 20 to 100 years. Weekend before last I fished a tournament at Lake Martin in Alabama. Each morning my temp gauge showed 75 to 76 degrees where I started each day. Each afternoon the same spot was showing temps of 78 to 79. That is not unusual, a two or three degree F rise in a day. Other times of the year daily changes are often five degrees or more, and seasonal changes go more than 50 degrees, from the low 40s to high 90s here in the south. Please explain how such a tiny change in average temp as predicted is going to affect bass fsihing when they are adapted to bigger changes from season to season and even day to day? I don't see how it can. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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On Oct 16, 3:05 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Ronnie wrote: I don't remember ever listening to Rush Limbaugh, ... You sure sound like him by suggesting that "those willing to think" will ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus of the vast majority of real scientists all over the world and believe some crackpot conspiracy theory. Is that what you call "willing to think" ? I ask you again, as a true believer - What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint? Please tell us what changes you have made in your lifestyle the past two or three years to combat your global warming? What changes are you willing to make in the next year? We no longer fly, when we have to travel we go Amtrak. As our lightbulbs burn out we're replacing them with those ugly fluorescents that look like the light over an embalming table. My wife bikes to work, I work here at the house and do the vast majority of my banking, shopping and even nighttime bar hopping on the old Schwinn. As for the future when we have to replace the Forester we're gonna go hybrid. -- Ken Fortenberry You seem to know a lot about what Limbaugh says - you must listen to his program a lot. Good for you for actually making changes yourself rather than just expecting others to do so. Got any plans on disposing those fluorescent lights with the mercury in them? I planted 9000 pine trees last year on some land I own go I guess I can happily drive my Surburban, my 4WD truck and my 225 HP bass boat since I have offsets. Maybe I can even sell some of them to people that want to continue their lifestyles. I like to drive fast on the interstate - I am trying to get someone to set up "speed offsets" like they are doing carbon offsets. That way I can drive 20 MPH over the speed limit if I can pay someone to drive 20 MPH under the speed limit. Ronnie http://fising.about.com |
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On Oct 14, 10:20 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Here's a "challenge" for you Ronnie: "One Budweiser will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that the earth is round." All you gotta do is prove it to my satisfaction. No one has, so far. You really beleive the earth is flat? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Here's a "challenge" for you Ronnie: "One Budweiser will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that the earth is round." All you gotta do is prove it to my satisfaction. No one has, so far. You really beleive the earth is flat? No, but my standard for "scientific proof" is the same as that crackpot "challenge" you posted, in other words you ain't gettin' my Budweiser. LOL ! -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Cmon Ken.. we all know for a scientific, incontrovertible, fact that global
warming is caused by the inordinate amout of Hot Air eminating from Central Illinois. g ! ! ! -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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I'll leave it to more smarter, knowledgeable folks to say whether
Gore is right. I Regards, Robert L Bass From the article at: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/T...&comments=true "Last week, a UK judge ruled that "An Inconvenient Truth" - Al Gore's Oscar winning documentary - was packed with so many errors and exaggerations that it can only be shown in schools if it is accompanied with guidance notes that will allow teachers to balance Gore's "one-sided" analysis. In the ruling, Justice Michael Burton of the High Court in London listed nine specific instances where Gore's claims were wrong and were presented in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration." Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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I'll leave it to more smarter, knowledgeable folks to say whether
Gore is right. I Regards, Robert L Bass From the article at: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/T...&comments=true "Last week, a UK judge ruled that "An Inconvenient Truth" - Al Gore's Oscar winning documentary - was packed with so many errors and exaggerations that it can only be shown in schools if it is accompanied with guidance notes that will allow teachers to balance Gore's "one-sided" analysis. In the ruling, Justice Michael Burton of the High Court in London listed nine specific instances where Gore's claims were wrong and were presented in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration." Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Another "denier crackpot" heard from:
Singer, who was born in Vienna in 1924, was a pioneer in the development of rocket and satellite technology and holds a Ph.D. in physics from Princeton. Now president of the Science & Environmental Policy Project research group (sepp.org), his latest book (with Dennis Avery) is "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years." http://www.townhall.com/columnists/B...th_fred_singer Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
Another "denier crackpot" heard from: Singer, who was born in Vienna in 1924, ... I'm starting to notice a trend in your crackpots Ronnie, Singer is at least 82 and William Gray is 78. Senility perhaps ? LOL ! -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Oct 23, 11:09 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Ronnie wrote: Another "denier crackpot" heard from: Singer, who was born in Vienna in 1924, ... I'm starting to notice a trend in your crackpots Ronnie, Singer is at least 82 and William Gray is 78. Senility perhaps ? LOL ! -- Ken Fortenberry The Oregon Petition (http://www.oism.org/pproject/), was sponsored by Dr. Frederick Seitz, former past president of the National Academy of Sciences, It has over 17,000 independently verified signatures from scientists. It reads, in part: "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth." I am sure you can discredit all 17,000 of them by calling them names. BTW - how old are you? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Ronnie wrote: Another "denier crackpot" heard from: Singer, who was born in Vienna in 1924, ... I'm starting to notice a trend in your crackpots Ronnie, Singer is at least 82 and William Gray is 78. Senility perhaps ? LOL ! The Oregon Petition (http://www.oism.org/pproject/), was sponsored by Dr. Frederick Seitz, former past president of the National Academy of Sciences, It has over 17,000 independently verified signatures from scientists. snip I am sure you can discredit all 17,000 of them by calling them names. BTW - how old are you? By signing that petition they have discredited themselves and I never had to lift a finger. And there's not as many "scientists" as they claim. Here's what _Scientific American_ had to say in 2005: “Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation." That's one, count 'em *one*, climate scientist out of 30 signatories plus two out of thirty with relevant expertise who still agree. Quite an underwhelming number when the facts are known. I'll be 51 next month, born November 25, 1956 in Landstuhl, Germany. Why ? Do you want to send me a birthday card ? ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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By signing that petition they have discredited themselves
What an eloquent refutation of their opinion - why, I bet they even listen to Rush Limbaugh. "Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories 30 surveyed out of 1,400 - wow! Why ? Do you want to send me a birthday card ? ;-) Based on your denigration of people because of their age, I just wondered how old you were. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
30 surveyed out of 1,400 - wow! If chosen at random, and I trust _Scientific American_ to have chosen a random sample, that sample size is sufficient. The "petition" is being recirculated again after seven years. I wonder how many "scientists" will sign on this time around. Based on your denigration of people because of their age, I just wondered how old you were. I didn't denigrate anyone because of their age. I denigrated the two old guys you trotted out because they promote a crackpot conspiracy theory and I wondered aloud if it might not be due to their senility. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Oct 23, 12:23 pm, Ronnie wrote:
On Oct 23, 11:09 am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Ronnie wrote: Another "denier crackpot" heard from: Singer, who was born in Vienna in 1924, ... I'm starting to notice a trend in your crackpots Ronnie, Singer is at least 82 and William Gray is 78. Senility perhaps ? LOL ! -- Ken Fortenberry The Oregon Petition (http://www.oism.org/pproject/), was sponsored by Dr. Frederick Seitz, former past president of the National Academy of Sciences, It has over 17,000 independently verified signatures from scientists. It reads, in part: "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth." I am sure you can discredit all 17,000 of them by calling them names. BTW - how old are you? Ronnie I saw tidbits of that report posted here and there... and discussed on the radio. Its just not profitable for the Clintons and the Gores to let that kind of report out... shhhhh...... 17,000 scientists..... well did they make a sci-fi movie about the facts of our planet? no way! If it isn't in hollywood - it cant be real. Our "Pal" Al needs to cover the cost of his private jets, and movie bombs and books and what not. We also aren't allowed to post bad facts about Mr. Gore... because he did after all, invent the internet. What would happen to poor ol' Al Gore if everyone realized that our planet has been cycling temperatures for millions and millions of years? What if everyone knew that global warming and cooling were just natural things that happen to our planet? What if everyone knew that the was a warming trend something like 1200 years ago before cars, trucks and airplanes? What if everyone knew that our current president had a home that was something like 500 % more eco friendly than Al's? It seems old Al zips back and forth nation wide on a private jet (costing approximately $50,000 just to get in the air... and I dont know how many tons of fuel they carry), fuels his home with propane (a natural gas), drives around in limos and SUVs... While W has a home that uses NO fuel for heating or cooling... runs on some sort of natural water system. Uses solar energy and what not. I'm not saying one fella is better than the other, it just seems that the one yelling at us to be more eco friendly... should be a little more conservative with how he burns up fuel. Al, of course buys offsets (WHY the HELL didn't I think of running this scam first??!?!) Just to set the record straight.... offsets = Hilary campaign funds as far as I can tell. There is no inelligent way that someone could think that just paying someone some cash cancels out the fact that you just threw a million tons of pollutants into the air. I personally see a HUGE problem with pollutants. If old Al wanted to battle polution I might think he was getting somewhere and had a big monster to tackle. But the whole warming issue...... I just don't see it. I hate to see our Maine waters tainted with mercury, and Acid rain. But even still, he's in the wrong place. The US is one of, if not THE cleanest country in the world. Seems strange, but true. It looks to me, from what i have read and heard that the third world countries like Kenya, India, and what not are the heaviest polluters in the world. Because they run coal power plants, and have few if any eco laws in place (out of a matter of priority). Their people are starving to death in the streets by the thousands..... buying an electric car just doesn't top the to do list. Eco freindliness looks like it is directly linked to economy and technology. America is top of the line for those... so heres my solution. Al can go to india, where people are struggling to find this weeks meal, and help them clean up their act. He can take his millions (if not billions) in cash he got from all those "offsets" and buy food programs, and build a secure nuclear power facility.... why not set up indias own internet? Heck he can probably invent some sort of food replicator too. Once he gets there and starts working with people on the street instead of hollywood wingnuts, he will be too busy to steal everyones money. Remeber... in the 70's the SAME PEOPLE were screaming that we were going to have another ice age. |
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On Oct 23, 8:18 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Ronnie wrote: 30 surveyed out of 1,400 - wow! If chosen at random, and I trust _Scientific American_ to have chosen a random sample, that sample size is sufficient. Where does it say at random? Trust but verify! The "petition" is being recirculated again after seven years. I wonder how many "scientists" will sign on this time around. Me too - got any facts about how many are signing it? Based on your denigration of people because of their age, I just wondered how old you were. I didn't denigrate anyone because of their age. I denigrated the two old guys you trotted out because they promote a crackpot conspiracy theory and I wondered aloud if it might not be due to their senility. -- Ken Fortenberry I call that denigrating people because of their age. Call it what you like. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Ronnie wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Ronnie wrote: Based on your denigration of people because of their age, I just wondered how old you were. I didn't denigrate anyone because of their age. I denigrated the two old guys you trotted out because they promote a crackpot conspiracy theory and I wondered aloud if it might not be due to their senility. I call that denigrating people because of their age. That's just what I'd expect from you Ronnie. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Oct 23, 8:06 pm, Buddy wrote:
here's Ronnie's last post -: The part of my post quoted is below. I quoted the full response since it is supposed to disappear in six days. This is the part I really like, it says that using as much of the earth's natural resources, fossil fuels, etc. as we possibly can will be more beneficial to the planet than if we erred on the side of caution and slow down a bit - no need to worry, nothing will happen in our lifetime. It would be funny except for the deadly seriousness with which people absolutely refuse to consider they might be wrong. Don't worry, by a Hummer, leave the lights on all night, live in the damned dessert and water your freaking lawns, be a consumer and do you part to bring the end time closer, but keep buying the party line. Instead of looking for someone that tells you it's okay to keep doing what you're doing, get quiet and listen to your heart and think about what we're leaving for our children's children to fix. Make up your mind for yourself. And as for scientists, remember Copernicus. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth." Ronnie http://fishing.about.com -- XX: Buddy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So what have you done to stop global warming? Are you willing to pay an addiional 50 cent a gallon tax on gas to help? Or pay more for all fishing equipment because of carbon taxes? Give up fishing except in your local pond? I do consider all information, including this: Armed with the very real evidence of the global cooling trend during the first half of the 20th century, climate alarmists claimed in the 1970s that another ice age was imminent. Today they (including even some former proponents of a coming ice age, e. g.: Stephen Schneider), ride a wave of alarm about man-made catastrophic global warming, a wave of alarm they created and keep fueling . Objective scientists find that the evidence supporting a man-made global warming trend is at best skimpy. However, it cannot and should not be denied that climate changes take place and that they have done so since long before man even made an appearance on Earth. http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming4.htm Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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"Will Global Warming Affect Our Fishing?"
====== It surely will....but I have no idea what that "effect" will be. As for the side conversation about cause and effect, we have science, and sudo-science involved. A scientific conclusion is usually based on a systematic, objective collection of data that is tested empiricaly! In the case of Global Warming, it appears that the scientific conclusion of the majority of "Natural Science" scientists meets the above criteria. But as for the cause....the jury is still out. Sudo Science is definitely being employed by factions that have a vested interest in the "cause"! Some politicians, and some scientists have a vested interest in the cause. and are employing sudo science to bolster their case....and the debate will continue "infintum", because the "cause" will never be "empiricaly" tested...nor can it! Sorry to butt in...but I couldn't help myself :). John B |
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Hate to be a DH, but I started at 'sudo' which should be pseudo and then I wandered down the post and see 'infintum' should be infinitum and 'empiricaly' should be empirically. Get Thunderbird - it has a very good built-in spell-checker ;-) I couldn't help myself either. -- XX: Buddy ========= Thanks for the corrections.....actually, "sudo" is often used as a short version in various chat groups, but you are right! And I did leave out an "i", and an "l" in the other two words...I had a couple cold MGD's prior to the post :). I am the first to admit my spelling and language structure leaves a lot to be desired...in english class there was this cute little blonde sitting in front of me....I often missed the majority of the class content! John B |
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Posted by Buddy:
" by a Hummer" , "live in the damned dessert", "do you part" XX: Buddy ======== Just returning the favor Buddy :). (Spell check would not have caught those, hu?) (I suppose this could go on infinitum also.) :) Once again...I couldn't help myself John B |
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I agree the science is still not determined - and may never be. But
those that claim the debate is over and their side is right are not willing to look at all the opposing views. From http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...ard-knock_life John Lockwood, whose recent research at the Library of Congress made headlines after he uncovered a 1922 Washington Post article "Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt," doesn't normally buy children's books. But bookstore browsing over the weekend "I came across a new edition of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth' re-written for children - or as the cover phrased it, 'Adapted for a New Generation.' I bought a copy; I couldn't help myself," he insists. Chapter 14 was his favorite - "Scientists are in almost complete agreement about the causes of global warming" - but "let's not forget page 10, where Mr. Gore gives a brief bio: When his father the senator was in town, young Al had to live 'in a small eighth-floor apartment whose windows looked out on concrete parking lots and buildings.' "I have passed by this place hundreds of times at least," Mr. Lockwood notes. "The building is a block or two west of Dupont Circle, and sits on Massachusetts Avenue, or Embassy Row. A hardscrabble childhood, Al." of course Gore has admitted he exaggerated his claims in his movie because, as Gore stated "I believe it is appropriate to have an over- representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis." - seems he has a real trouble with facts. BTW - where are the bigger more stronger global warming hurricanes the past two years? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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More from
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...until_its_over "First he won the Oscar -- then the Nobel Peace Prize. He's being called a "prophet." Impressive, considering that one of former Vice President Al Gore's chief contributions has been to call the debate over global warming "over" and to marginalize anyone who disagrees. Although he favors major government intervention to stop global warming, he says, "the climate crisis is not a political issue. It is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity". Give me a break. If you must declare a debate over, then maybe it's not. And if you have to gussy up your agenda as "our greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher level," then it deserves some skeptical examination. Everyone has heard that Earth's atmosphere is heating up, it's our fault, and it's a crisis. No wonder 86 percent of Americans think global warming is a serious problem and 70 percent want the government to do something now. But is it a crisis? The globe is warming, but will it be catastrophic? Probably not. In "An Inconvenient Truth," Gore says that "sea levels worldwide would go up 20 feet." But the group that shared last week's Nobel Prize, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, says in a hundred years, the oceans might rise 7 to 24 inches . Gore also talks about drowning polar bears. He doesn't mention that the World Conservation Union and the U.S. Geological Survey say that today most populations of polar bears are stable or increasing. And while man's greenhouse gasses may increase warming, it's not certain that man caused it. The most impressive demonstration in Gore's movie is the big graph of carbon-dioxide levels, which suggests that carbon levels control temperature. But the movie doesn't tell you that the carbon increases came after temperatures rose, hundreds of years later. " Yep, the debate is over - for true believers! Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Guess he just goes with the flow - whatever is most popular?
NASA scientist James E. Hansen, who has publicly criticized the Bush administration for dragging its feet on climate change and labeled skeptics of man-made global warming as distracting "court jesters," appears in a 1971 Washington Post article that warns of an impending ice age within 50 years. "U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming," blares the headline of the July 9, 1971, article, which cautions readers that the world "could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts." Rest of article at: http://www.washingtontimes.com/artic...ON02/109190067 Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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A DVD by those terrible deniers:
Everything you've ever been told about Global Warming is probably untrue. From Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth to news reports from the popular media outlets and even public classrooms which, in chicken little fashion, are screaming - the sky is falling. But is it really? This documentary, which contraditcs these claims and has been described by some as the most explosive film of the year and the definitive answer to Al Gore features interviews from some of the Worlds leading scientists, climatologists and former environmentalist like: Dr. John Christy, Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama Dr. Philip Stott, Emeritus Professor of Biogeography, University of London Dr. Paul Reiter, IPCC & Pasteur Instititue, Paris Dr. Roy Spencer, Principle Research Scientist University of Alabama Dr. Patrick Michaels, Department of Environmental Science, University of Virginia Dr. Syun-lchi Akasofu, Director, International Arctic Research Center Dr. Fredrick Singer, First Director, U.S. National Weather Satellite Service Dr. Richard Lindzen, IPCC & Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.) Dr. Tim Ball, Former Professor of Climatology, University of Winnepeg Dr. Niz Shaviv, Professor of Physics, Hebrew University of Jerusalem Dr. Ian Clark, Professor Department of Earth Sciences, Univertisy of Ottawa Dr. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Green Peace Dr. Paul Driessen, author of Eco-Imperalism: Green Power Black Death The Great Global Warming Swindle blows the whistle on what may be the biggest swindle in modern history. Proponets of man made global warming warn that climate change is the greatest threat ever to mankind, and, if we do not change our ways and reduce CO2 emissions - polar ice caps will melt, coastal areas will flood and hurricane like Katrina will become common. With nearly Gestapo like tactics we are commanded not to question the edicts of the ICCP (oops, sorry, the IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). There is absolutely no room for doubt because there is a "scientific consensus." Anyone who questions the data or conclusion is an enemy of the state and humanity. Well, this is exactly what this well documented film does! Our challenge - watch this film and make up your own mind. "The Great Global Warming Swindle should be seen by everyone interested in the global enviroment, especially those who have seen the Al Gore movie." Professor William M. Gray, meterologist You can order it at http://store.nicenecouncil.com/index...FVB1OAodAQ7HNA Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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In essence, Arctic waters may be behaving more like those around
Antarctica, where a broad fringe of sea ice builds each austral winter and nearly disappears in the summer. (Reflecting the different geography and dynamics at the two poles, there has been a slight increase in sea-ice area around Antarctica in recent decades.) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/sc...th&oref=slogin So - Global warming has caused more ice in the south and less in the north. Not much GLOBAL there - but I forget - no matter what happens it can be blamed on global warming. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com Ronnie |
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