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Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon, so I thought I'd post this question regarding
Orvis pricing. Guess it's a bit of a "rant," but am curious about what
others think, or if I am the only one.

Finally got the Orvis Men's wear and Gift catalogs that I had been trying to
get for several weeks now, per
my old post on this.

Looked at the prices for shirts, etc., and all I can say is "Wow !"
Are they kidding ?

I can go to my local Macy's, or LL Bean's catalog, and can get truly the
same quality item for
1/2 or what they are asking, or better. $ 80 cotton shirts ?

Does anyone actually buy at these prices ?

I remember in Eco there is a very interesting graph called, if I remember
right, Laffer's curve.

It shows that if you price an item too low, you'll sell zillions of them,
but your overall profit will be very low. If priced too high, you'll make a
killing on a few sold, but again, the overall profit will be low.
Somewhere between these two extremes is a peak, or a pricing point, which
gives a maximum profit.
The curve always looks like a parabola, of course.

Can't help but feel that if they priced e.g., like Bean, and sell much more,
they would come out way ahead.

I know flyfishermen are rumored to be wealthy (hah !) but even if one is
"comfortable," I can't imagine their spending these kind of for items
priced like this. Or, perhaps they do ?.

Just curious what you folks think ?

Bob

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"Robert11" wrote in message
. ..

Looked at the prices for shirts, etc., and all I can say is "Wow !"
Are they kidding ?
Does anyone actually buy at these prices ?
Bob

We have an Orvis store in Palo Alto. Whenever I visit my friend Steve the
manager, I wonder the same about the Orvis clothing line...nothing you'll
ever find in QG. Appeals mostly to the senior citizens, 75% are women, and
90% are non fly anglers..

You should read the Orvis history someday and the direction they took when
Perkins took over.
-tom

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Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon, so I thought I'd post this question regarding
Orvis pricing. Guess it's a bit of a "rant," but am curious about what
others think, or if I am the only one. ...

Would you please tell me who gave you the Orvis gift certificate
which is causing you all this angst ? I will gladly send them a
subtle hint telling them next time they want to give Dad/Grandpa/
Hubbie a gift certificate make sure it's from WalMart.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:42:33 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Would you please tell me who gave you the Orvis gift certificate
which is causing you all this angst ? I will gladly send them a
subtle hint telling them next time they want to give Dad/Grandpa/
Hubbie a gift certificate make sure it's from WalMart.

Nah. Orvis is my kids' default. If they can't think of anything to
give dad (or grand dad) for birthday/Christmas/anniversary/Father's
Day, it is an Orvis gift certificate. I've bought some very nice
clothes from Orvis' catalog, and my local Orvis also strocks Simms and
Patagonia stuff. It's all relative; buy a shirt from Orvis for $60
and it remains in style and lasts for 5 years, or buy a cheapo from a
department store and it's out of style in a year and worn out in two.
I bought leather gloves from Orvis about six years ago, lined with
cashmere, $45. They still look good. Besides, Forty, I doubt like
hell you, of all people, would wear clothes from WalMart, or KMart.
Not the Ken I know and love. d;o)

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Robert11 typed:
Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon, so I thought I'd post this question
regarding Orvis pricing. Guess it's a bit of a "rant," but am
curious about what others think, or if I am the only one.

Finally got the Orvis Men's wear and Gift catalogs that I had been
trying to get for several weeks now, per
my old post on this.

Looked at the prices for shirts, etc., and all I can say is "Wow !"
Are they kidding ?

I dunno - werte there smilies next to the prices?

I can go to my local Macy's, or LL Bean's catalog, and can get truly
the same quality item for
1/2 or what they are asking, or better. $ 80 cotton shirts ?

Then ****can the gift certificate and go to the other stores.

Does anyone actually buy at these prices ?

Yes - to the tune of many millions of dollars.

I remember in Eco there is a very interesting graph called, if I
remember right, Laffer's curve.

It shows that if you price an item too low, you'll sell zillions of
them, but your overall profit will be very low. If priced too high,
you'll make a killing on a few sold, but again, the overall profit
will be low. Somewhere between these two extremes is a peak, or a pricing
point,
which gives a maximum profit.
The curve always looks like a parabola, of course.

Can't help but feel that if they priced e.g., like Bean, and sell
much more, they would come out way ahead.

.. . . or they're perfectly happy selling what they sell at the price they
choose.

I know flyfishermen are rumored to be wealthy (hah !) but even if one
is "comfortable," I can't imagine their spending these kind of for
items priced like this. Or, perhaps they do ?.

Just curious what you folks think ?

I think you bitch too much, but that's just me. After you buy the Orvis
company, you can set the pricing any ol' which way you like. Until then,
either buy from them or don't. Personally, I have chosen "don't", but I
don't bitch about the prices.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
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rw wrote in news:471fb460$0$17025
:

That is so sad in so many ways.

Well said, or at least said. I've flagged this one so when it turns into
the inevitable ****ing match I can remember who started it.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:42:33 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Would you please tell me who gave you the Orvis gift certificate
which is causing you all this angst ? I will gladly send them a
subtle hint telling them next time they want to give Dad/Grandpa/
Hubbie a gift certificate make sure it's from WalMart.


Nah. Orvis is my kids' default. If they can't think of anything to
give dad (or grand dad) for birthday/Christmas/anniversary/Father's
Day, it is an Orvis gift certificate.

That is so sad in so many ways.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:26 -0700, rw
wrote:

That is so sad in so many ways.

Yeah, I know. You don't have grandchildren. Better than kids.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Would you please tell me who gave you the Orvis gift certificate
which is causing you all this angst ? I will gladly send them a
subtle hint telling them next time they want to give Dad/Grandpa/
Hubbie a gift certificate make sure it's from WalMart.
snip
Besides, Forty, I doubt like
hell you, of all people, would wear clothes from WalMart, or KMart.

Well no, of course not, but the gift certificate isn't for me it's
for roff's serial Orvis whiner Bob.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 24 Oct 2007 22:12:48 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Well said, or at least said. I've flagged this one so when it turns into
the inevitable ****ing match I can remember who started it.

d;o) It was meant for Ken, but hell, picking up Barnard on it,
well....., that's why the word "serendipity" is in the dictionary.

just got one of there heavy duty double zingers, a real tank, for half price. Orvis Catalog Pricing ?
 

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:26:18 -0400, "Robert11"
wrote:

Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon, so I thought I'd post this question regarding
Orvis pricing. Guess it's a bit of a "rant," but am curious about what
others think, or if I am the only one.

Finally got the Orvis Men's wear and Gift catalogs that I had been trying to
get for several weeks now, per
my old post on this.

Looked at the prices for shirts, etc., and all I can say is "Wow !"
Are they kidding ?


Just curious what you folks think ?

Bob



I have a fair amount of Orvis stuff. Not a single item was bought at
full price. The nice thing about Perkin's operation is that they do
have great sales. In fact I just got one of their HD double zingers, a
real tank. Paid half price. Now that you are on their mailing list
you'll probably get their newsletter/sales flyer every other month.
I'd hold on to the gift cert for awhile if I were you.

g.c.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:13 -0500, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net
wrote:

Thanks Lord, Some days are just plain worth getting up for.

Some?

just got one of there heavy duty double zingers, a real tank, for half price. Orvis Catalog Pricing ?
 

In article ,
George Cleveland wrote:

I have a fair amount of Orvis stuff. Not a single item was bought at
full price. The nice thing about Perkin's operation is that they do
have great sales. In fact I just got one of their HD double zingers, a
real tank. Paid half price. Now that you are on their mailing list
you'll probably get their newsletter/sales flyer every other month.
I'd hold on to the gift cert for awhile if I were you.

THeir battenkill large arbor barstock at $99 is a good buy

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Would you please tell me who gave you the Orvis gift certificate

Got one of these?
http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=18
-tom

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:13 -0500, Guy wrote:

...
Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon,

Sounds to me like you have to much time of your hands. I have to much work
and no time.
Grab your tool belt, I'll let you know where to show up tomorrow morning and
I pay well. $12 an hour until you prove yourself and I buy lunch (my
choice). Maybe after a few days you will feel good about having an Orvis
gift certificate and not Walmart.


$12/hr is supposed to be good? I make $25 - $60.



Can't believe I just wrote what I wrote.

Guy
Thanks Lord, Some days are just plain worth getting up for.

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"Robert11" wrote in message
. ..

Just curious what you folks think ?

Bob

Assuming you have an Orvis store near by, you might stop in and check
pricing and sales.
I recently bought this waist pack:
http://tinyurl.com/264smj

For the money they were asking, I wanted to check out the pack before
purchasing. On the Orvis website, the pack was listed at $129.00, when I got
out to the store, the price was mark at $98.00. I figured it would be the
same price that they had listed on the website and I don't think that was a
sales price either.

While at the store, I did look through the clothing and it seemed pricey,
however as David pointed out, the quality and style will outlast the cheap
route.

HTH,
JT

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"JT" wrote in message
...

"Robert11" wrote in message
. ..

Just curious what you folks think ?

Bob

Assuming you have an Orvis store near by, you might stop in and check
pricing and sales.
I recently bought this waist pack:
http://tinyurl.com/264smj

For the money they were asking, I wanted to check out the pack before
purchasing. On the Orvis website, the pack was listed at $129.00, when I
got out to the store, the price was mark at $98.00. I figured it would be
the same price that they had listed on the website and I don't think that
was a sales price either.

While at the store, I did look through the clothing and it seemed pricey,
however as David pointed out, the quality and style will outlast the cheap
route.

Having never owned any clothing with the Orvis label, I can't speak to the
issue of their quality versus that of any other brand. However, the matter
of style leaves me somewhat perplexed. How is it that Orvis clothing
remains in style longer than that of any other retailer who sells the same
styles?

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Having never owned any clothing with the Orvis label, I can't speak to the
issue of their quality versus that of any other brand. However, the
matter
of style leaves me somewhat perplexed. How is it that Orvis clothing
remains in style longer than that of any other retailer who sells the same
styles?

Wolfgang


Good question, I suppose it's the Orvis, Patagonia, Simms... patch sown on
the pocket??

I don't own any Orvis clothing either, I prefer the Columbia PFG sportswear
for the money.
I also like the Ex-Officio clothing, however it's generally way over priced
for my pocketbook.
And you?

JT

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"JT" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Having never owned any clothing with the Orvis label, I can't speak to
the
issue of their quality versus that of any other brand. However, the
matter
of style leaves me somewhat perplexed. How is it that Orvis clothing
remains in style longer than that of any other retailer who sells the
same
styles?

Wolfgang


Good question, I suppose it's the Orvis, Patagonia, Simms... patch sown on
the pocket??

I don't own any Orvis clothing either, I prefer the Columbia PFG
sportswear for the money.
I also like the Ex-Officio clothing, however it's generally way over
priced for my pocketbook.
And you?

Generally, I pay no attention to brand names in clothing. Well, that's not
quite accurate......generally I AVOID popular brand names, particularly when
the name or logo is emblazoned somewhere on the article of clothing; I've
never seen the benefit to the consumer (me) of paying for the privilege of
being a walking billboard. Nor have I found, in my limited experience with
popular brands, that they are necessarily more durable or stylish than many
other options. I buy virtually all my clothing from the end of season sale
racks at places like Target, Wal-Mart, etc., making only occasional
exceptions if I happen to find something sufficiently discounted at the
likes of Gander Mountain, Cabela's etc.

I recently made an unwitting exception when, after looking unsuccessfully
for a comfortable pair of low cut walking shoes in my usual haunts, I found
a pair that fit, were comfortable and were affordable at Gander Mountain.
It was only later when one of my co-workers asked if they were "Sketchers"
(which I had, till then, never heard of) that I discovered they are
apparently a popular brand. Incidentally, I was in the market for a new
pair of shoes not because my old ones, purchased for about fifteen bucks at
K-Mart seven or eight years earlier had worn out or disintegrated, but
because they disappeared.

As to quality, well most of the clothing items I purchase last long enough
that I throw individual articles out (or, more often, donate them, still
serviceable, to an organization like Goodwill Industries) only when my
storage space gets crammed so full as to be frustrating, as happened
recently in a move to a new apartment, or when, as I suspect happened with
my shoes, someone else disposes of them for me.

Wolfgang
whose sartorial tastes have thus far remained blessedly free of the taint of
stylishness.

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Hey, if you want a Harley you pay the price. It's not about speed or
comfort or looks, it about having the name on the side of your bike.


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Guy;96871 Wrote:
"Corndog" wrote in message
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Hey, if you want a Harley you pay the price. It's not about speed or
comfort or looks, it about having the name on the side of your bike.


I'm sure i'm a little slow and having a hard time understanding your
comment. hope it is pleasant.
i just wanna to be on a trout stream which is not easy where i live. no
Harley needed as the speed would get me the 1st time i buried the
needle
which i would attempt my first ride.
G


I'm refering to the initial post by Bob on Orvis being so expensive.
If you wanna wear the name, you gotta pay the price. Does John Deer
make a better tractor, no, but they have a name many farmers want to
have on their tractors. When Perkins sales team sets their prices for
their latest catalog, they know their stuff doesn't cost more to
manufacture then Cabellas, or LL Bean. They also know that some will
pay the price to wear/carry the Orvis name. So, they price
accordingly. I have alot of Orvis gear. I was told long ago by a man
I highly respect, that it's the best. So, now I'm hooked and won't
break away even though I can't really afford it. It's called good
marketing.

Cdog


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"Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net wrote in message
...

"ray" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:13 -0500, Guy wrote:

...
Hi,

Not much to do this afternoon,

Sounds to me like you have to much time of your hands. I have to much
work
and no time.
Grab your tool belt, I'll let you know where to show up tomorrow morning
and
I pay well. $12 an hour until you prove yourself and I buy lunch (my
choice). Maybe after a few days you will feel good about having an Orvis
gift certificate and not Walmart.


$12/hr is supposed to be good? I make $25 - $60.

Well, I work up a quote for a project making sure I have covered my bases
(ass). Then to be safe, I double my quote and then mark it all up 25%. I
smile when my customer says OK and then I get that blank-stair look when
they say they thought it would have been considerably more $$. After it
takes me twice as long to complete the job, fix up all the screw ups of
the subs and hired help and end up making less than 10% minus my labor, I
wonder if I should ever hire anyone at any price. And then I do it all
over again.

One hesitates to wonder whether, if you were competent and thus paid enough
to attract competent help, some of your problems might mysteriously
disappear.

I guess you are a plumber?

No, duh! I mean who else in this world could possibly make such fantastic
money?

Wolfgang
who can't help but wonder just what a blank stair might look like.......but
has a pretty good idea of where to search for the answer.

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"Corndog" wrote in message
...

Guy;96871 Wrote:
"Corndog" wrote in message
...

Hey, if you want a Harley you pay the price. It's not about speed or
comfort or looks, it about having the name on the side of your bike.


I'm sure i'm a little slow and having a hard time understanding your
comment. hope it is pleasant.
i just wanna to be on a trout stream which is not easy where i live. no
Harley needed as the speed would get me the 1st time i buried the
needle
which i would attempt my first ride.
G


I'm refering to the initial post by Bob on Orvis being so expensive.
If you wanna wear the name, you gotta pay the price. Does John Deer
make a better tractor, no, but they have a name many farmers want to
have on their tractors. When Perkins sales team sets their prices for
their latest catalog, they know their stuff doesn't cost more to
manufacture then Cabellas, or LL Bean. They also know that some will
pay the price to wear/carry the Orvis name. So, they price
accordingly. I have alot of Orvis gear. I was told long ago by a man
I highly respect, that it's the best. So, now I'm hooked and won't
break away even though I can't really afford it.

You buy stuff you can't afford for the name? And you do it knowingly? You
wanna wear the name? Wow. That's very sick.

It's called good marketing.

No, it's called credulity.....pathology.....something like that.

Wolfgang
oh, and that person you highly respect?.......you shouldn't.

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Wolfgang;96893 Wrote:
"Corndog" wrote in message
...

Guy;96871 Wrote:
"Corndog" wrote in message
...

Hey, if you want a Harley you pay the price. It's not about speed
or
comfort or looks, it about having the name on the side of your
bike.


I'm sure i'm a little slow and having a hard time understanding your
comment. hope it is pleasant.
i just wanna to be on a trout stream which is not easy where i live.
no
Harley needed as the speed would get me the 1st time i buried the
needle
which i would attempt my first ride.
G


I'm refering to the initial post by Bob on Orvis being so expensive.
If you wanna wear the name, you gotta pay the price. Does John Deer
make a better tractor, no, but they have a name many farmers want to
have on their tractors. When Perkins sales team sets their prices for
their latest catalog, they know their stuff doesn't cost more to
manufacture then Cabellas, or LL Bean. They also know that some will
pay the price to wear/carry the Orvis name. So, they price
accordingly. I have alot of Orvis gear. I was told long ago by a man
I highly respect, that it's the best. So, now I'm hooked and won't
break away even though I can't really afford it.

You buy stuff you can't afford for the name? And you do it knowingly?
You
wanna wear the name? Wow. That's very sick.

It's called good marketing.

No, it's called credulity.....pathology.....something like that.

Wolfgang
oh, and that person you highly respect?.......you shouldn't.


LOL Yes it's pathetic. But, like so many others, I just gotta have
it. Hey, I want a Harley too.


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"Corndog" wrote in message
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...Hey, I want a Harley too.

Come here and take all of them. Please.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"JT" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Having never owned any clothing with the Orvis label, I can't speak to
the
issue of their quality versus that of any other brand. However, the
matter
of style leaves me somewhat perplexed. How is it that Orvis clothing
remains in style longer than that of any other retailer who sells the
same
styles?

Wolfgang


Good question, I suppose it's the Orvis, Patagonia, Simms... patch sown
on the pocket??

I don't own any Orvis clothing either, I prefer the Columbia PFG
sportswear for the money.
I also like the Ex-Officio clothing, however it's generally way over
priced for my pocketbook.
And you?

Generally, I pay no attention to brand names in clothing. Well, that's
not quite accurate......generally I AVOID popular brand names,
particularly when the name or logo is emblazoned somewhere on the article
of clothing; I've never seen the benefit to the consumer (me) of paying
for the privilege of being a walking billboard. Nor have I found, in my
limited experience with popular brands, that they are necessarily more
durable or stylish than many other options. I buy virtually all my
clothing from the end of season sale racks at places like Target,
Wal-Mart, etc., making only occasional exceptions if I happen to find
something sufficiently discounted at the likes of Gander Mountain,
Cabela's etc.

I recently made an unwitting exception when, after looking unsuccessfully
for a comfortable pair of low cut walking shoes in my usual haunts, I
found a pair that fit, were comfortable and were affordable at Gander
Mountain. It was only later when one of my co-workers asked if they were
"Sketchers" (which I had, till then, never heard of) that I discovered
they are apparently a popular brand. Incidentally, I was in the market
for a new pair of shoes not because my old ones, purchased for about
fifteen bucks at K-Mart seven or eight years earlier had worn out or
disintegrated, but because they disappeared.

As to quality, well most of the clothing items I purchase last long enough
that I throw individual articles out (or, more often, donate them, still
serviceable, to an organization like Goodwill Industries) only when my
storage space gets crammed so full as to be frustrating, as happened
recently in a move to a new apartment, or when, as I suspect happened with
my shoes, someone else disposes of them for me.

Wolfgang
whose sartorial tastes have thus far remained blessedly free of the taint
of stylishness.



I'm already married with two kids, so I don't think or worry too much about
being stylishly impressive. I tend to concentrate more on wearing clothing
and gear that is effective. Wolgang can probably agree that knowing what to
wear, when to wear it, and how to wear it are FAR more important than those
items being worn being stylish. Seasons in this part of the country
(Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc.) can change in the blink of an eye.
Some of my favorite (and best) gear is stuff I picked up as a supply
sergeant while still in the Marine Corps. The old tan poly-pros, nylon
poncho liners, and glove liners are some of my best gear. No brand name on
any of them. The only brand name gear I DO swear by is my Underarmor. I
tried cheaper versions and it does work better for me in the conditions it
is marketed for. My ALL TIME favorite no name piece of non-clothing gear is
my roll of 550 chord. I keep about 20 yrds of the stuff in a zip lock with
me whenever I venture out. Great for many emergencies.

Jeremy Moe