Tying Nymphs - curved or straight hooks?
 

I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?


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"Karel" wrote in message
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I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?


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I've not tied too many nymphs in my time. I imagine it would depend on the
type of nymph pattern one is tying, however, I think the next ones I tie,
depending on the type of course, will be tied on curved hooks.

Op

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:38:10 -0400, Karel
wrote:


I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?

I always tie nymphs and caddis larvae on various types of curved hooks. I
agree that they look more "real" than those tied on a dead straight shank...

/daytripper

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I tie on the hooks I have availible. If I have curved hooks, I tie on
those, and vise versa. The fish don't seem to mind :)


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Karel wrote:
I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?


I seem to recall that A.K. Best recently said he ties all his flies on
straight-shank dry fly hooks.

vince

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Karel;96987 Wrote:
I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?

I think curved hooks are a gimmick and dont make much of a difference
when it comes to traditional patterns or Mayfly type insects. I am not
sure if the benefit of caddis/scud hooks are all that better. A scud
only curls up when it is in ones hand or when they are dead I belive.

I think flies are traditionally tied a little off to compensate for the
fishes skewed perspective. Joe Humphreys wrote about originally trying
to tie nymphs with the truer shape and found them to be less productive
then the rounded body traditionally nymph. I think tying the nymphs more
abstract is often better.

Also as a reminder Karel not all nymphs are big swimmers as well. I
belive there are other classes then just swimmers.

Now if you asked who ties there emergers or tiny drys on curved hooks I
would have had a different answer.

But in the end it is the 27incher that matters most!


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"Karel" wrote in message
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I have begun over the last year or so to tie almost all my nymphs and
some wet flies on curved hooks (i.e. caddis hooks). To me, a nymph
adrift is seldom straight but is wiggling, trying to swim etc. and has
therefore a curved appearance (unless it's dead). Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?


Well, there is a Mr. Sawyer who would disagree with you. The original
Pheasant Tail is tied on a straight hook. So is the Hares Ear,
Prince, Tellico, and most mayfly and all-purpose nymphs. However,
many of the caddis nymphs, but not a majority, are tied on curved
hooks.

That said, there is no reason why you can't tie whatever the hell you
want on *any* hook. d;o) I think that experimenting with a known
tie, altering it somewhat, including a different hook, is what tying
is all about. I tie a "modified" Pheasant Tail on a curved hook and
have had much success with it. However, it works just as well when
tied on a straight nymph or wet fly hook.

If I tie a wet (seldom) it too will be tied on a straight hook. ALL
wet flies in the 40s (when I started to fly fish) were tied on
straight hooks. Both my mom and dad tied and I still have old
Wheatley Boxes filled with dries and wets tied by them. Not a curved
hook in the bunch. And, they worked quite well.

Dave

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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Well, there is a Mr. Sawyer who would disagree with you.

Indeed, and a late Mr. Roseborough(sp) out west, as well. He said study on
the water showed most of the actively moving nymphs under water to
straighten their
bodies as they swam. Thus, he tied all nymphs on straight
shank hooks. Fishing with both varieties showed the straight bodies to hook
roughly 3 times as well, but that was in the hands of one skeptical of the
design, and fishing without confidence might well be 1/3 as effective, so I
am
less swayed by Polly's info on that part.
Tom

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... and you just beat me to add that the 27" was actually caught on a
flashback pheasant tail tied on a size 16 *caddis hook*. And so where
the other big guys that weekend (don't go running now to your vise).
But alas, I should have tied on a curved and a straight hook PT to see
if it actually makes a difference. For me, I will continue to
experiment with curved hooks and see what'll happen.


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It's interesting that no one mentioned that the gape on hooks that have
a curved bend is smaller than a 'standard' bend hook. I use the word
'standard' because the Mustad 3906B, and hooks like it by other
manufacturers, is a nymph/wet fly hook with a sproat bend. I would
class a sproat bend as standard.

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Actually the curved hooks I use (TMC 2487 & 2457) are 2X short and 2X
wide. They have a wider gape than standard hooks. Because of that,
they work well for me when tying small flies and midges in sizes
#20-30. The wider gape hooks more solidly in the small sized hooks,
and the curved shank looks sexier to me, and hopefully to the fish.

One thing to remeber when tying curved hooks is when weighted or with a
bead head, they flip hook point up. I generally use them more or "in
the round" type patterns. The fish seem to like them just fine.


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Karel;97059 Wrote:
... and you just beat me to add that the 27" was actually caught on a
flashback pheasant tail tied on a size 16 *caddis hook*. And so where
the other big guys that weekend (don't go running now to your vise).
But alas, I should have tied on a curved and a straight hook PT to see
if it actually makes a difference. For me, I will continue to
experiment with curved hooks and see what'll happen.
Karel Cats out of the bag now when it comes to catching 27 inchers.
Both you and AJ from NJ take 27 incher browns on curved shanked hooks.
I belive AJ was on a TMC *2488H hook*.


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afishinado;97102 Wrote:
Actually the curved hooks I use (TMC 2487 & 2457) are 2X short and 2X
wide. They have a wider gape than standard hooks. Because of that,
they work well for me when tying small flies and midges in sizes
#20-30. The wider gape hooks more solidly in the small sized hooks,
and the curved shank looks sexier to me, and hopefully to the fish.

One thing to remeber when tying curved hooks is when weighted or with a
bead head, they flip hook point up. I generally use them more or "in
the round" type patterns. The fish seem to like them just fine.

I concur.

I have found some big-time fish holding advantages of using 2x wide
scud hooks when tying most midge/larva patterns below an 18.

Can't tell you how many fish I see rolled with a size 18 or 20 3906
which are then caught with a size 18 or 20 scud hook.

IMHO the shape (curved or straight)does not have a ton of relevance to
the fish at those sizes.

~James


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As for scuds, Borger says straight hooks because that's how they swim. I
think if you look at most mayfly nymphs, when they move, be it swim,
crawl or otherwise, they tend to flex their tails, such that if
anything there might be some upward curve to a mayfly nymph tail.


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"Karel" wrote

.. Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?



It just happens that on a recent month long fishing trip I "used up" various
odds and ends in my tying kit and therefore produced and fished "#18 Sawyer
PT Nymphs" on four different hooks ( all real body lengths were about the
same if not the hook size on the label). Those hooks were all Tiemco and
were models, 100BL, 100 SP-BL, 3761BL, and 2499BL. The last is a curved
short shank, heavy, model, the 3761 a standard wet, the other two dry fly
hooks. Except for the hook, I tried to make all the flies "the same"

The first thing I noticed was that tying on the 2499 was a PIA in comparison
to a shank "level" in the vise. The second thing I noticed was that the
curved wide gape hook made the hook much more prominent ( to my eye) in the
finished product, although the curve was, indeed, kinda cute. The third
thing I noticed was that the 100SP-BL seemed to catch more fish !

Note: On the straight shank hooks I bend the rear of the shank ( actually
the bend of the hook) so that the point is not parallel to the hook shank
.... this is a tiny re-alignment, hardly noticeable. This is intended to
catch the fishes mouth a bit easier, I can't remember where I got the idea
but believe it works. My theory is that the combination of this bent out
( in?) point and the SP model's extremely sharp point made it a little
harder for fish to spit out the fly, leading to more takes being sensed by
this angler ( who sucks at nymph fishing )

There was no attempt at "science" here, I simply had a few each of four
similar sized hooks of different models and a need for nymphs that size,
coupled to a dread of a 70 mile round trip to buy enough hooks to make them
all the same. But, I won't be buying any more curved hooks soon and I will
be buying more SP hooks even though I had previously somewhat written them
off in my own mind as a "sales gimmick" ( I won't pay the extra $$ and
suffer the extra weight of the 100SP-BL for dry fly use, but it may become
my nymph hook of choice ?? )

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On 28 Oct, 18:38, Karel wrote:
.. Does anybody else tie
nymphs on curved hooks and/or what is your take on this?

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Nymph bodies are usually straight when they are swimming. One may use
some curved hooks for particular functions, but generally straight
hooks with the correct dressing are more successful. Some curved
hooks cause problems with presentation as well, preventing the nymph
from moving properly. Quite a few curved hooks are also very bad
hookers, many curves close the gape, and give the hook a bad angle of
penetration.

TL
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I just sat down to tie some GRHE and found I don't have any regular
nymph hooks in the size I want. I do have some caddis hooks in the
right size so I tied some up on those. They look fine, I sure they
will catch fish. I'll find out on Monday.


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I will use a curved (scud) hook for caddis larva, certain bead head
nymphs (e.g. Gabriels Trumpet Hare's ear) and, um, scuds.

I doubt it it makes any difference, but I like the way they look for a
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Karel,
I tie nymphs and wets on curved shanked hooks. My perception must be
different from there anglers. However, I don't think there's anything
wrong with tying on the hooks you think work best.

Go to my web site and look at some of my flymphs (wingless wets) tied
on curved hooks. (link below) Since there's some reason they don't let
new guys post links, you should go to: Check out pages Flies II and
Flies II. There are some there tied on curved hooks.



I suggest you continue tying on the hooks you see fit and those that
produce the best results for you and where you fish.

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My site address is:
www dot libstudio dot com/FS&S. Can't post links--geeze!

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:23 -0500, Soft-hackle
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My site address is:
www dot libstudio dot com/FS&S. Can't post links--geeze!

Mark

And yet you have at least two links in your sig ;-)

Here ya go: http://www.libstudio.com/FS&S

/daytripper

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Thanks, daytripper,
I can not see any links at all yet.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:46:21 -0500, Soft-hackle
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Thanks, daytripper,
I can not see any links at all yet.

Mark

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Weird. Can you see the links that appear in your sig, now?

/daytripper

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Hi,
I see the links you are posting, however, I can not see any links in my
signature at all. If I try to post a link in my messages it won't let me
post them. I see a message at the bottom of my posts that says I need
to have 25 posts in order to see links.

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Something is not right because the number of posts I've made has not
changed. It's stuck at 15.

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Mark, that's a very neat web site. I do have Hughes' "Wet Flies" and I
like the ideas of flymphs and soft hackles a lot. Many of the flies I
tie have soft hackles. I also noticed that when you tie yours on curved
hooks, the body is rather short (exeption is your black star). I was
wondering if that is some sort of a rule to keep the body short or if
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Hi Karel,
Glad you like the site. I'll add more patterns after I get moved and
begin my tying sessions once more.

Body length, for me, is really a matter of preference and imitation to
some extent. I try to make the bodies end on the shank, on most of the
flymphs, so that if you drew a line downward it would strike the barb
about half way through. I've often tied the Black Gnat very short to
look, actually, more gnat-like. Tied longer, I think it works great for
dark or black caddis. Also, spiders are tied, generally, on shorter
shanked hooks with fairly short bodies or with the hackle actually
wound over the body.

Everyone ties a little differently and has little quirks, so to speak.
Tie what works the best for you, or better still, for what the fish
like. You'll find your fishing more rewarding if you do.:)

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This is to teat to see if my number of posts are being counted
correctly.

Have a look Dennis--and thanks for answering!

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