Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 7 Nov, 21:55, mdk77 wrote:
Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

Really depends on how you want to fish it. I use this one a lot;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on..._s_hopper.html

but there are lots of good hopper patterns out there. Personally I
think good floating patterns are essential. A muddler is a good
pattern, and there are a lot of good foam patterns as well.

Many of the "traditional" hopper patterns are not really very good, as
they don´t float very well. A sunk hopper may work on occasion, but
the floating patterns are definitely better.

Of course you should go with a colour scheme that suits your local
hoppers.

There is also a large range of UK still water patterns known as
"hoppers", which usually actually imitate crane flies and the like,
these can be very successful indeed on occasion. hedgehogs, sedgehogs
and a number of others also work very well.

As the best all rounder I would probably choose a muddler in the
appropriate colours.

http://www.orkneytroutfishing.co.uk/...ry/index1.html

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

For comprehensive step by step instructions for dressing these and
many other flies;

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=14091

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"mdk77" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

There are many good patterns. For ease of tying, the Letort hopper is hard
to beat.....assuming you can master the rudiments of spinning deer hair, and
the rudiments ain't all that tough. Besides, it doesn't have to look good.
It is a truism in fly fishing that many flies perform better and better as
they get more and more ragged and nasty looking. While perhaps not strictly
true with all patterns, it has been my experience that it's true in spades
for hoppers.

My own favorite hopper for many years now is a bullet head pattern I learned
from The Malignant Dwarf. Photo and tying instructions are available on
Stan Gula's fly swap pages:

http://gula.org/roffswaps/recipe.php?page=DD2002&id=18

Good luck.

Wolfgang

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 7 Nov, 21:55, mdk77 wrote:
Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

By the way, if you use multi fly rigs, like a hopper dropper, and a
nymph point for instance, this method solves the problem of how to
attach the hopper "in line";

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8063

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 7 Nov, 22:31, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"mdk77" wrote in message

ups.com...

Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

There are many good patterns. For ease of tying, the Letort hopper is hard
to beat.....assuming you can master the rudiments of spinning deer hair, and
the rudiments ain't all that tough. Besides, it doesn't have to look good.
It is a truism in fly fishing that many flies perform better and better as
they get more and more ragged and nasty looking. While perhaps not strictly
true with all patterns, it has been my experience that it's true in spades
for hoppers.

My own favorite hopper for many years now is a bullet head pattern I learned
from The Malignant Dwarf. Photo and tying instructions are available on
Stan Gula's fly swap pages:

http://gula.org/roffswaps/recipe.php?page=DD2002&id=18

Good luck.

Wolfgang

That is also a very good pattern, here is an extremely simple version
of it which works very well. I actually prefer to use hares´ear
dubbing for this fly myself, as many of the hoppers on a local stream
are a light browen colour, but one may of course use any colour
dubbing to suit. It also works extremely well as a half hog, or
hedgehog, which does not require one to spin the deer hair ( just
examples shown below)

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5918

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=190

http://www.orkneytroutfishing.co.uk/...en_halfhog.htm

http://www.orkneytroutfishing.co.uk/...o_hedgehog.htm

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

mdk77 wrote:
Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

I like a hopper that floats well but will sit low in the
water. For that reason I'm not fond of the foam patterns.
After tying and fishing a bunch of hoppers I settled on
this pattern as one that is easy to tie and as effective
as any.

http://tinyurl.com/3742sd

--
Ken Fortenberry

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Also some interesting history on the Letort hopper;

http://flyfisherman.com/northeast/bapasampler/

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message . Besides, it doesn't have
to look good.
It is a truism in fly fishing that many flies perform better and better as
they get more and more ragged and nasty looking.
Joe the Elder concurs----sorry for you to print this Wolfgang----I have
used Jeff Miller's discarted flies for a few years , now my supply might be
sparse .

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Joe McIntosh" wrote in message
.. .

"Wolfgang" wrote in message . Besides, it doesn't have
to look good.
It is a truism in fly fishing that many flies perform better and better
as they get more and more ragged and nasty looking.

Joe the Elder concurs----sorry for you to print this Wolfgang----I have
used Jeff Miller's discarted flies for a few years , now my supply might
be sparse .

You need to get that boy out on the streams more. It's all that hardware
fishing he's been doing that is responsible for the deplorable condition of
your fly boxes.

Wolfgang
who notes that some people have absolutely no consideration for others.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Nov 7, 12:55 pm, mdk77 wrote:
Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

I recommend Joe's Hopper. Easy to tie and good for trout and
bluegill.
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt.../3198fotw.html

If you shoot or have friends who hunt turkeys matched wing feathers
are needed to tie Joes Hopper. One turkey may result in a lifetime
supply.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 21:18, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:55 pm, mdk77 wrote:

Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

I recommend Joe's Hopper. Easy to tie and good for trout and
bluegill.http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt.../3198fotw.html

If you shoot or have friends who hunt turkeys matched wing feathers
are needed to tie Joes Hopper. One turkey may result in a lifetime
supply.

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks. Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 8 Nov, 21:18, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:55 pm, mdk77 wrote:

Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

I recommend Joe's Hopper. Easy to tie and good for trout and
bluegill.http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt.../3198fotw.html

If you shoot or have friends who hunt turkeys matched wing feathers
are needed to tie Joes Hopper. One turkey may result in a lifetime
supply.

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks.

It has worked very well for me.....and for countless others.

Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

Depends on what you mean by "dry" flies. If one insists that dry flies must
remain entirely above the surface, then you're right.....chenille is a poor
choice. On the other hand, there are many patterns, commonly referred to as
dry flies, parts of which routinely penetrate the surface. The Pass Lake,
with its chenille body, is just such a fly, and it is extremely effective.
Blotted dry and treated with fumed silica it will also float entirely dry
quite nicely.....for a while.


p. s. for the OP. Stimulators and various other largish heavy dries will
often do well enough as emergency hoppers in lieu of more specific patterns.

Wolfgang

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

Or maybe a cheeseburger. Nevertheless, it works in hopper country in hopper
season.

Wolfgang
who has never yet known a fish to demonstrate a working knowledge of the
difference between marmalade and mutton.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:02, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ups.com...







On 8 Nov, 21:18, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:55 pm, mdk77 wrote:

Any recommendations on a hopper pattern? I've used Dave's Hopper and
had some success, but wondered if there were other patterns that were
worth trying. Thanks in advance for your advice.

I recommend Joe's Hopper. Easy to tie and good for trout and
bluegill.http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt.../3198fotw.html

If you shoot or have friends who hunt turkeys matched wing feathers
are needed to tie Joes Hopper. One turkey may result in a lifetime
supply.

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks.

It has worked very well for me.....and for countless others.

Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

Depends on what you mean by "dry" flies. If one insists that dry flies must
remain entirely above the surface, then you're right.....chenille is a poor
choice. On the other hand, there are many patterns, commonly referred to as
dry flies, parts of which routinely penetrate the surface. The Pass Lake,
with its chenille body, is just such a fly, and it is extremely effective.
Blotted dry and treated with fumed silica it will also float entirely dry
quite nicely.....for a while.

p. s. for the OP. Stimulators and various other largish heavy dries will
often do well enough as emergency hoppers in lieu of more specific patterns.

Wolfgang

All true. But high floating flies are usually poor hopper imitations,
and when they sink they are even worse.

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:07, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ups.com...

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

Or maybe a cheeseburger. Nevertheless, it works in hopper country in hopper
season.

Wolfgang
who has never yet known a fish to demonstrate a working knowledge of the
difference between marmalade and mutton.

Doubtless also true, ( although none of these flies ever worked very
well for me as hopper imitations). But a good specific hopper pattern
with the right properties will work a lot better.

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Mike wrote:



All true. But high floating flies are usually poor hopper imitations,
and when they sink they are even worse.

TL
MC



My experience is that if a trout rejects a floating hopper, presenting
the same fly sunken often works.

Willi

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:23, Willi wrote:
Mike wrote:

All true. But high floating flies are usually poor hopper imitations,
and when they sink they are even worse.

TL
MC

My experience is that if a trout rejects a floating hopper, presenting
the same fly sunken often works.

Willi

I have not had that experience, but I accept that you have. Would you
use such a chenille pattern as a hopper imitation?

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Mind you, all my hopper patterns are extremely buoyant but low
floating patterns, which are more or less impossible to sink.

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 8 Nov, 22:07, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ups.com...

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

Or maybe a cheeseburger. Nevertheless, it works in hopper country in
hopper
season.

Wolfgang
who has never yet known a fish to demonstrate a working knowledge of the
difference between marmalade and mutton.

Doubtless also true, ( although none of these flies ever worked very
well for me as hopper imitations). But a good specific hopper pattern
with the right properties will work a lot better.

And which of those good specific hopper patterns with the right properties
would you recommend for Flume Creek?

Wolfgang

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:30, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ups.com...



On 8 Nov, 22:07, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

roups.com...

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

Or maybe a cheeseburger. Nevertheless, it works in hopper country in
hopper
season.

Wolfgang
who has never yet known a fish to demonstrate a working knowledge of the
difference between marmalade and mutton.

Doubtless also true, ( although none of these flies ever worked very
well for me as hopper imitations). But a good specific hopper pattern
with the right properties will work a lot better.

And which of those good specific hopper patterns with the right properties
would you recommend for Flume Creek?

Wolfgang

Never heard of it, and have no idea what might be suitable. Without
such specific knowledge, I would suggest a good buoyant but low
floating hopper pattern in the appropriate colour. Which is what I
did.

Normally I have some specific tactics I use with hoppers. Many
patterns simply wont work with them. Interesting to hear Willi say
that a sunk one will work if a floater is refused. I will have to try
that. Will be next year now though. I will add it to my notebook of
"minor tactics" to try.

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Mike wrote:
On 8 Nov, 22:23, Willi wrote:

Mike wrote:


All true. But high floating flies are usually poor hopper imitations,
and when they sink they are even worse.

TL
MC

My experience is that if a trout rejects a floating hopper, presenting
the same fly sunken often works.

Willi


I have not had that experience, but I accept that you have. Would you
use such a chenille pattern as a hopper imitation?

TL
MC



I probably use a foam "hopper" most often because I often fish a dropper
off the bend. When I fish a hopper by itself, I do prefer something that
sits low in the water. So chenille would be OK but I don't tie any
grasshoppers with a chenille body. Where I've had the best success with
sunken grasshoppers is on meadow sections of streams that have undercut
banks.

If I'm going to fish a terrestrial without a dropper, I usually fish a
beetle imitation. Works much more consistently for me. Beetles often
even work on "tough" fish rising to a specific hatch that have rejected
your offerings that more closely resemble what hatching.

Willi

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Nov 8, 12:54 pm, Mike wrote:
It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

MC

Who gives a rats ass what the fish think. It works in the summer and
early fall when there are grass hoppers about. It's worked in
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Iowa. Arkansas, Minnesota,
Michigan, North Dakota, Alberta, British Columbia and some other
places. It would take to long to name all the bodies of water.
I could demonstate my ignorance and tell you that it would work in
your German pay pond. You seem to taking care of demonstatinng
ignorance quite well. Your ODing everyone in roff on ignorance.
Back to fish of which you seem to know very little. It has worked on
Rainbow, Brown and Brook trout. It's been over 30 years but the
goldens on the Kern Plateau seem to like them as well. Recently a
Lahotian cutthroat allso took one for something to eat. I am not sure
it took it for a grasshopper but it took it. There are variations of
Joes Hopper that also work. The main one is color- tie the body with
brown or green material. I have always tied them with wool not
chenielle. They worked well when tied with poly yarns.
I have offer to fly you over here twice once so you could kick Georges
ass and once so you could learn some of what you don't know about fly
fishing ( the fish part, It would appear you only fish for trout in
payponds and hatcherys. The last time I said I would contribute
something ). The thired time was a strike out. Now I wouldn't give
you a nickle if you were in a pay toilet and comming down with the
SYSs ( screaming sellow S___s).
I am still curious if you would have cahonies to show your wife,
mother, daughter etc, the filth you write on roff.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:30, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ups.com...



On 8 Nov, 22:07, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

roups.com...

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

Or maybe a cheeseburger. Nevertheless, it works in hopper country in
hopper
season.

Wolfgang
who has never yet known a fish to demonstrate a working knowledge of the
difference between marmalade and mutton.

Doubtless also true, ( although none of these flies ever worked very
well for me as hopper imitations). But a good specific hopper pattern
with the right properties will work a lot better.

And which of those good specific hopper patterns with the right properties
would you recommend for Flume Creek?

Wolfgang

Or is Flume Creek perhaps the run off from Fawn lake? :) In which
case ask Fortenberry! :)

TL
MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:39, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 8, 12:54 pm, Mike wrote:

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

MC

Who gives a rats ass what the fish think. It works in the summer and
early fall when there are grass hoppers about. It's worked in
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Iowa. Arkansas, Minnesota,
Michigan, North Dakota, Alberta, British Columbia and some other
places. It would take to long to name all the bodies of water.
I could demonstate my ignorance and tell you that it would work in
your German pay pond. You seem to taking care of demonstatinng
ignorance quite well. Your ODing everyone in roff on ignorance.
Back to fish of which you seem to know very little. It has worked on
Rainbow, Brown and Brook trout. It's been over 30 years but the
goldens on the Kern Plateau seem to like them as well. Recently a
Lahotian cutthroat allso took one for something to eat. I am not sure
it took it for a grasshopper but it took it. There are variations of
Joes Hopper that also work. The main one is color- tie the body with
brown or green material. I have always tied them with wool not
chenielle. They worked well when tied with poly yarns.
I have offer to fly you over here twice once so you could kick Georges
ass and once so you could learn some of what you don't know about fly
fishing ( the fish part, It would appear you only fish for trout in
payponds and hatcherys. The last time I said I would contribute
something ). The thired time was a strike out. Now I wouldn't give
you a nickle if you were in a pay toilet and comming down with the
SYSs ( screaming sellow S___s).
I am still curious if you would have cahonies to show your wife,
mother, daughter etc, the filth you write on roff.

Well Oakiedokey, I would not apply the term "thinking" in regard to
fish, I would use "behave". Sensible anglers care about how fish
behave, because if they don´t, they catch fewer fish.

You have no idea where I fish, or even what for, so anything you have
to say about it is quite worthless.

Both my mother and my wife are deceased.

For somebody who professes to decry stupidity and filth, you sure do
produce a lot of it on here.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Nov 8, 1:50 pm, Mike wrote:
On 8 Nov, 22:39, BJ Conner wrote:





On Nov 8, 12:54 pm, Mike wrote:

It is probably taken by the fish for a large sedge rather than for a
hopper.

MC

Who gives a rats ass what the fish think. It works in the summer and
early fall when there are grass hoppers about. It's worked in
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Iowa. Arkansas, Minnesota,
Michigan, North Dakota, Alberta, British Columbia and some other
places. It would take to long to name all the bodies of water.
I could demonstate my ignorance and tell you that it would work in
your German pay pond. You seem to taking care of demonstatinng
ignorance quite well. Your ODing everyone in roff on ignorance.
Back to fish of which you seem to know very little. It has worked on
Rainbow, Brown and Brook trout. It's been over 30 years but the
goldens on the Kern Plateau seem to like them as well. Recently a
Lahotian cutthroat allso took one for something to eat. I am not sure
it took it for a grasshopper but it took it. There are variations of
Joes Hopper that also work. The main one is color- tie the body with
brown or green material. I have always tied them with wool not
chenielle. They worked well when tied with poly yarns.
I have offer to fly you over here twice once so you could kick Georges
ass and once so you could learn some of what you don't know about fly
fishing ( the fish part, It would appear you only fish for trout in
payponds and hatcherys. The last time I said I would contribute
something ). The thired time was a strike out. Now I wouldn't give
you a nickle if you were in a pay toilet and comming down with the
SYSs ( screaming sellow S___s).
I am still curious if you would have cahonies to show your wife,
mother, daughter etc, the filth you write on roff.

Well Oakiedokey, I would not apply the term "thinking" in regard to
fish, I would use "behave". Sensible anglers care about how fish
behave, because if they don´t, they catch fewer fish.

You have no idea where I fish, or even what for, so anything you have
to say about it is quite worthless.

Both my mother and my wife are deceased.

For somebody who professes to decry stupidity and filth, you sure do
produce a lot of it on here.

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I may produce a fair quality of ignorance but the quality of it will
never approach yours. It must be the arrogance you mix with it.

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

"Willi" wrote



My experience is that if a trout rejects a floating hopper, presenting the
same fly sunken often works.



"Polly" Rosborough once suggested using his wet hopper pattern to me for the
upper Williamson saying something to the effect that " it will take the
bigger fish better than a floating hopper"

To be honest, I never fished that wet fly I got from Polly that trip .... I
found enough fish willing to eat up top to keep me happy .... but ... Polly
was the acknowledged master of the Williamson ( meadowy, twisty, spring fed
up where I am talking about ) and I have no reason to doubt that he was
correct and that I was catching mainly Dink's younger siblings ... fish he
would have scoffed at trying for

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Larry L wrote:

Although I'm guessing you wouldn't do it because it's "cheating" but
have you ever tried a small beetle on any of the Ranch fish that had
frustrated you?

Willi

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Willi wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 8 Nov, 22:23, Willi wrote:

Mike wrote:


All true. But high floating flies are usually poor hopper imitations,
and when they sink they are even worse.

TL
MC

My experience is that if a trout rejects a floating hopper, presenting
the same fly sunken often works.

Willi


I have not had that experience, but I accept that you have. Would you
use such a chenille pattern as a hopper imitation?

TL
MC



I probably use a foam "hopper" most often because I often fish a dropper
off the bend. When I fish a hopper by itself, I do prefer something that
sits low in the water. So chenille would be OK but I don't tie any
grasshoppers with a chenille body. Where I've had the best success with
sunken grasshoppers is on meadow sections of streams that have undercut
banks.

If I'm going to fish a terrestrial without a dropper, I usually fish a
beetle imitation. Works much more consistently for me. Beetles often
even work on "tough" fish rising to a specific hatch that have rejected
your offerings that more closely resemble what hatching.

Willi


One of the main reasons I usually use a hopper is to "unmatch the
hatch". Often, I can get very difficult fish to take a hopper, also
using special tactics, when they wont look at an imitation of the
current hatch. Often I target the grassy bank above a good fish, and
alllow the hopper to fall off it, "plopping" in. This often results in
an immediate take. Also, I often "work" hoppers, skittering them in
likely places, or to specific fish. This can be very enjoyable and
successful.

Such relatively large food items often also tempt the larger fish, which
may be very finnicky indeed about taking small dry fly imitations.

I do use a number of beetle imitations, ( I like foam there too), and
some foam ants, ( just black and red in a couple of sizes). I have never
tried a sunken grasshopper as such, although I have often fished sunken
"hoppers" ( UK sense, mainly crane flies) with success. Especially on
still waters, but this works on rivers too.

I dont really like chenille much at all. This is probably as much due to
personal bias as aynthing else. many of the "cheap and nasty" flies on
sale are made of chenille, and I have also always assoicated it with
poor flies.

TL
MC

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"Willi" wrote

Although I'm guessing you wouldn't do it because it's "cheating" but have
you ever tried a small beetle on any of the Ranch fish that had frustrated
you?



Tain't cheatin'

I carry two beetle ties, one for 'plop' the other for 'no plop' situations.
They are "go tos" for frustrating fish, as are a couple wet flies I favor,
especially a Muskrat and Partridge on a #19 hook fished like a dry,
hopefully drag free, but in or under the film . The ideal 'float' for this
SH makes it look like a tiny mound in the film, it's not floating but it
isn't sunk yet either .... given that 'look' when it arrives at the fish,
I'll bet good money on a take.

I like to try and induce takes too, plop a little nymph ( I'll reach
for a Brassie first but don't think it matters one damn bit ) right by his
ear, hook him before he realizes what he's done wrong ... .

In the realm of fishing, I value nothing more than a frustrating fish and
I'm far too interested in fooling that individual to have many "rules" about
how. Nearly all my best fishing memories are about fish that avoided me
for days ... until ..... ( I got a good drift :-)

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:52:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks. Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

Horse puckies. Joe's Hopper works very well and it does so because of
the chennile body. It is the chinnele body on Harry Mason's Killer
Caddis that makes it such a successful fly.

Dave

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:39:14 -0000, BJ Conner
wrote:

It's worked in
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Iowa. Arkansas, Minnesota,
Michigan, North Dakota, Alberta, British Columbia and some other
places.

Add Maine and NH to that list, and the land locked salmon in Maine
love it.

Dave

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

Forgot to add, BJ....

What the hell do we know..... we're only stupid fly fishers without
much knowledge dotcha know. d;o)

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 9 Nov, 03:54, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:52:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks. Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

Horse puckies. Joe's Hopper works very well and it does so because of
the chennile body. It is the chinnele body on Harry Mason's Killer
Caddis that makes it such a successful fly.

Dave

The extended body on that fly is Vernille, or "Ultra Chenille", it
bears no resemblance either in form or function to standard cotton
chenille.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

And here as the extended body on a daddy long legs;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...ddy/daddy.html

Standard chenille can not be used for this as it is limp cotton.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

For more information on it, ( unless you prefer to stick with your
horse ****?) ;

http://www.wild-fishing-scotland.co....p?topic=4435.0

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 9 Nov, 04:11, Mike wrote:
On 9 Nov, 03:54, Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:52:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

That fly does not work very well, because it either floats too high,
or sinks. Hoppers sit with their bodies in the film.Chenille bodied
flies are not usually much use as dry flies, even when treated with
various floatants.

Horse puckies. Joe's Hopper works very well and it does so because of
the chennile body. It is the chinnele body on Harry Mason's Killer
Caddis that makes it such a successful fly.

Dave

The extended body on that fly is Vernille, or "Ultra Chenille", it
bears no resemblance either in form or function to standard cotton
chenille.

MC

Here is the same stuff being used as a post for a dry fly.

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...hute_hare.html

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On 9 Nov, 04:00, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Forgot to add, BJ....

What the hell do we know..... we're only stupid fly fishers without
much knowledge dotcha know. d;o)

Hmmm.......seems so.

MC

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Nov 8, 7:00 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Forgot to add, BJ....

What the hell do we know..... we're only stupid fly fishers without
much knowledge dotcha know. d;o)

Yep! Live is hard when you stupid. I never knew untill recently how
hard it is when your really smart like mike. All that knowledge must
be a terrible burden..