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The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he http://www.troutflies.com/go.mvc?ID=STOREFRONT you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:
is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org - St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever - Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ....some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... |
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On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org- St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... Well Dickie boy, because this is a fly-fishing group, and Myron is a contributor. Harry has very good flies, and he is helping a worthwhile project. I donīt think he deals in medicine or food packages. With all your money and clout you could do all those things yourself couldnīt you? Maybe even send some hot sauce to Africa or something? Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? MC |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:25:44 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:29 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org - St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever - Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... doesn't the all that froth and foam make the keyboard slippery? Not since I've gotten the Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Keyboard"...now, if I could just find a way to keep the Rosie's-ass-shakin'-induced Martini barf out of the trackball... IAC, since my recap stands unquestioned, let me be clear, frothless, foamless, and amazingly slipperyless: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON That shouldn't be nearly as hard to understand as flyrod labeling techniques...or do you have some real deal on multicolored Avery labels and Sharpies to hawk... And there you are, R |
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On Nov 7, 9:25 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:29 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org- St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... doesn't the all that froth and foam make the keyboard slippery?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where do the flys come from? Are you shipping flys from Thailand or somewhere not far from Hong Kong. Seems like a waste to ship something halfway around the world and then back again. Where's Clark Reid? He was tied up with Umpqua and their Thai and Kenya tied flies. If thes kids get hooked the Kiwis are going to be the ones to benifit in the long run. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:55:10 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:25:44 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:29 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org - St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever - Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... doesn't the all that froth and foam make the keyboard slippery? Not since I've gotten the Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Keyboard"...now, if I could just find a way to keep the Rosie's-ass-shakin'-induced Martini barf out of the trackball... IAC, since my recap stands unquestioned, let me be clear, frothless, foamless, and amazingly slipperyless: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON That shouldn't be nearly as hard to understand as flyrod labeling techniques...or do you have some real deal on multicolored Avery labels and Sharpies to hawk... And there you are, R Tye me some flies.. mouth... and I will send them to some kids here in Northern California that learn to fly fish between chemo treatments. better yet, why don't you volunteer to teach them how to tye flies... then you'd see some real barf....not your cheap Martini induced wanta be slime. I mean real, 5-fluorouracil burned barf. And you have the hair to telling me about kids and pain..**** you I help when I can and how I can. you can kiss my ass, or... send some flies...mouth |
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"Mike" wrote in message oups.com... On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote: Well Dickie boy, because this is a fly-fishing group, and Myron is a contributor. Harry has very good flies, and he is helping a worthwhile project. I donīt think he deals in medicine or food packages. With all your money and clout you could do all those things yourself couldnīt you? Maybe even send some hot sauce to Africa or something? Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? MC Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots. Bob Weinberger |
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On 8 Nov, 09:37, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote: "Mike" wrote in message oups.com... On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote: Well Dickie boy, because this is a fly-fishing group, and Myron is a contributor. Harry has very good flies, and he is helping a worthwhile project. I donīt think he deals in medicine or food packages. With all your money and clout you could do all those things yourself couldnīt you? Maybe even send some hot sauce to Africa or something? Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? MC Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots. Bob Weinberger Hmmm............well first of all, you donīt know whether it has anything to do with me or not. Secondly, Dickie boy is being extremely obnoxious to two people I consider friends. Thirdly, for Dickie boy to come out with drivel like this is quite typical, as all he is ever generous with is abuse, and invariably gratuitous to boot. Fourthly, if nobody protests he will fondly imagine that people either agree with him or donīt care, and fifthly, why donīt you give your own opinion on the matter at issue, instead of giving your opinion on my opinion? Lastly, I really donīt care much what various dumbos and idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people still hold me for an honest man. That does not seem to be the case. I have seen a lot of mean and nasty things on this group, and this is one of them. I wish you a lot of luck. Bye bye Mr.Weinberger. MC |
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On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org- St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of Katrina, and that is commendable. But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my FF trip, let me clarify. rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be much more direct than sending it to me or Harry. But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better. They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world. I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this. It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly, it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own. So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same message. But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression. I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at all, of course! The trip will still happen. Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to, know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff. And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind. Myron |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:34:05 -0800, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:55:10 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:25:44 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:29 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org - St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever - Roll Yer Own you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started. Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school. The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them. If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will make arrangements. This option has been popular to date. You can find my email addy is in the above store... Harry Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for more _donations_ for flies for this group?! If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine (you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save their lives... Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? R ...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies as possible... doesn't the all that froth and foam make the keyboard slippery? Not since I've gotten the Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Keyboard"...now, if I could just find a way to keep the Rosie's-ass-shakin'-induced Martini barf out of the trackball... IAC, since my recap stands unquestioned, let me be clear, frothless, foamless, and amazingly slipperyless: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON That shouldn't be nearly as hard to understand as flyrod labeling techniques...or do you have some real deal on multicolored Avery labels and Sharpies to hawk... And there you are, R Tye me some flies.. mouth... and I will send them to some kids here in Northern California that learn to fly fish between chemo treatments. better yet, why don't you volunteer to teach them how to tye flies... then you'd see some real barf....not your cheap Martini induced wanta be slime. I mean real, 5-fluorouracil burned barf. And you have the hair to telling me about kids and pain..**** you I help when I can and how I can. you can kiss my ass, or... send some flies...mouth I don't need to travel to California to help children, but if you provide me with info on the children's charity of which you speak, I'll be happy to consider adding it to the list, although I will say that while I have the utmost sympathy for _any_ child going through _any_ traumatic illness, there is only so much one person can do and I prefer helping where it's needed most, first. As to helping sick kids, you have no idea of which you speak, but here's a hint: it might occur to even a casual reader that someone who has some passion about the whole subject - you know, foaming and frothing and all - might well have that passion for a reason. IAC, even if I liked to hunt sick kids with Dick Cheney and John Kerry, it still doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is no more than SPAM and doing it for kids that apparently don't need it. AFAIK, you didn't instigate it, but you certainly jumped on board, and are now promoting it. And if your pitch had been for sick children who couldn't afford gear, you might have had my help, and you would have certainly had my respect, but I've never seen you mention any such charity - which is not to say you have not - on ROFF. And your replies thus far make me all the more certain in saying: **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON And for me, that about does it, R |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:01:51 -0800, Mike
wrote: On 8 Nov, 09:37, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message oups.com... On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote: Well Dickie boy, because this is a fly-fishing group, and Myron is a contributor. Harry has very good flies, and he is helping a worthwhile project. I donīt think he deals in medicine or food packages. With all your money and clout you could do all those things yourself couldnīt you? Maybe even send some hot sauce to Africa or something? Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? MC Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots. Bob Weinberger Hmmm............well first of all, you donīt know whether it has anything to do with me or not. Secondly, Dickie boy is being extremely obnoxious to two people I consider friends. Thirdly, for Dickie boy to come out with drivel like this is quite typical, as all he is ever generous with is abuse, and invariably gratuitous to boot. Fourthly, if nobody protests he will fondly imagine that people either agree with him or donīt care, and fifthly, why donīt you give your own opinion on the matter at issue, instead of giving your opinion on my opinion? Lastly, I really donīt care much what various dumbos and idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people still hold me for an honest man. That does not seem to be the case. I have seen a lot of mean and nasty things on this group, and this is one of them. I wish you a lot of luck. Bye bye Mr.Weinberger. MC Oh, irony, thy is a nun-beating nappy-headed Nazi homo ho fishing with your urinal-licking dead junkie brother at his club in the England to which you've never returned... Dickie boy |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman
wrote: On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org- St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of Katrina, and that is commendable. But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my FF trip, let me clarify. rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be much more direct than sending it to me or Harry. But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better. They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world. I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this. It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly, it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own. So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same message. But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression. I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at all, of course! The trip will still happen. Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to, know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff. And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind. And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake. TC, R Myron |
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Mike wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote: "Mike" wrote: snip Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots. snip ... Lastly, I really donīt care much what various dumbos and idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people still hold me for an honest man. ... Too late for that, *WAY* too late, Mike. Too many foul-mouthed personal attacks, too much insane, rabid ranting, and finally too many clumsy lies. Google will *never* be your friend. Now isn't it about time for you to crawl back into the booby hatch from which you came ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman wrote: On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org- St. Jude's or www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of Katrina, and that is commendable. But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my FF trip, let me clarify. rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be much more direct than sending it to me or Harry. But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better. They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world. I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this. It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly, it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own. So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same message. But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression. I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at all, of course! The trip will still happen. Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to, know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff. And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind. And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake. Sweet baby Jesus, how it must hurt to be you! Wolfgang not that that's a bad thing. |
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On Nov 8, 4:08 am, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman wrote: On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote: is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half subsidized... You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you would like to have sent to riverman, he Or, if you'd really like to help: www.stjude.org-St. Jude's or www.msf.org-- Medecins Sans Frontieres or www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever-Roll Yer Own As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of Katrina, and that is commendable. But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my FF trip, let me clarify. rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be much more direct than sending it to me or Harry. But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better. They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world. I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this. It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly, it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own. So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same message. But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression. I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at all, of course! The trip will still happen. Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to, know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff. And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind. And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake. TC, R Myron- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very good. Now tell MC that it didn't hurt at all to do that. What happened? Did you find out one of those kids is from a family that make pickles for you? I'll bet most roffians don't read food labels, lots of pickles in grocery stores from India and China. Probably lots more in places like MickyDs. |
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On 8 Nov, 13:47, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote: "Bob Weinberger" wrote: "Mike" wrote: snip Whatīs the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are you just being a total **** as usual? Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots. snip ... Lastly, I really donīt care much what various dumbos and idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people still hold me for an honest man. ... Too late for that, *WAY* too late, Mike. Too many foul-mouthed personal attacks, too much insane, rabid ranting, and finally too many clumsy lies. Google will *never* be your friend. Now isn't it about time for you to crawl back into the booby hatch from which you came ? -- Ken Fortenberry I wrote "sensible people" Kennyboy. Not psychopaths. MC |
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"Mike" wrote in message ups.com... On 8 Nov, 09:37, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message oups.com... On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote: Hmmm............well first of all, you donīt know whether it has anything to do with me or not. Secondly, Dickie boy is being extremely obnoxious to two people I consider friends. Thirdly, for Dickie boy to come out with drivel like this is quite typical, as all he is ever generous with is abuse, and invariably gratuitous to boot. Fourthly, if nobody protests he will fondly imagine that people either agree with him or donīt care, and fifthly, why donīt you give your own opinion on the matter at issue, instead of giving your opinion on my opinion? Lastly, I really donīt care much what various dumbos and idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people still hold me for an honest man. That does not seem to be the case. I have seen a lot of mean and nasty things on this group, and this is one of them. I wish you a lot of luck. Bye bye Mr.Weinberger. MC First of all the post was neither adressed to nor mentioned you. Your second, third and fourth rationalizations are simply that - your rationalizations in an attempt to justify why it it is proper for you to violate your own code of right and wrong simply because the target of your vituperations has violated your standards. Fifthly, I did not voice any opinion of your opinion. I simply pointed out but the latest incidence of you violating your self proclaimed code of conduct. You ask for my opinion of the matter at hand - It is my opinion that how people choose to give their money (or fly tying time) away is essentialy none of my (or for that matter R Dean's) business. However, althouogh his post was in typically outrageous R Dean form, I can understand how, if he is passionate about the plight of starving & diseased kids relative to that of ultra rich kids, he might so respond in such a manner. Lastly, I like to consider myself as sensible, and other than possibly yourself, I do not know anyone who doesn't attribute that characteristic to me - regardless of any other faults they may find with me. However, my continued participation is these threads, responding to someone who is mentally imbalanced and paranoid enough that they see everyone as either for or against them and even the slightest dig at them as a mean attack, strongly brings that assessment into question. Bob Weinberger |
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wrote **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON **** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON Any questions? yeah, one question Even though I applaud Myron's effort to teach about the natural world via hands on methods, I would never send obviously well off kids charity flies. I, thus, agree with your very poorly stated sentiment. However, I do wonder if you have ever heard this ???? "Profanity is the strong expression of a weak mind" If you wanted to make a point about giving to more appropriate causes, YOU destroyed the value of that point by your nasty, thoughtless, spewing. If I represented St. Jude's or Medecins Sans Frontieres I'd regret the stigma of having the organization(s) mentioned in such a context. indeed, you consistently do yourself and your thoughts a disservice by instantly leaping to the use of extreme expletives and/ or insults. Of course all of the handful of ROFFian AbUseNet Club members do the same .... Club Rules?? Um, ..... maybe that is why I often wonder if the 3 or 4 of you are all actually just one very, very, sick person's multiple, festering, personalities. ------------------------------------------ Myron wrote "And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind." I say, Amen. |
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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message news:zcJYi.4940$sN.4147@trndny02... Lastly, I like to consider myself as sensible, and other than possibly yourself, I do not know anyone who doesn't attribute that characteristic to me - regardless of any other faults they may find with me. However, my continued participation is these threads, responding to someone who is mentally imbalanced and paranoid enough that they see everyone as either for or against them and even the slightest dig at them as a mean attack, strongly brings that assessment into question. Not at all. Wolfgang who knows that eloquence in the service of truth is never less than sensible. pearls and swine be damned. |
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"Larry L" wrote in message ... "Profanity is the strong expression of a weak mind" One suspects the that author of this quote (as well as its adherents) would be less than thrilled with what we may safely assume Mr. Clemens' response would have been. Wolfgang who has never yet encountered a pithy quote for which he would exchange his brain. |
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: who has never yet encountered a pithy quote for which he would exchange his brain. How about "What hump?" (Marty Feldman in Young Frankenstein). That's one of my faves. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"Wolfgang" wrote Wolfgang who has never yet encountered a pithy quote for which he would exchange his brain. FWIW ( probably not much ) I am a dog trainer, a profession that tends to highly respect artful use of profanity. I can put together some pretty impressive strings of it, if I do say so myself. I don't think such language should be entirely avoided, rather I think it's real value is undermined by it's overuse .... much like the use of single word insults, any real impact lies in the rarity of usage, not in the predictability. |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... "Wolfgang" wrote in : who has never yet encountered a pithy quote for which he would exchange his brain. How about "What hump?" (Marty Feldman in Young Frankenstein). That's one of my faves. I'd trade A. B. Normal's brain for that one. Wolfgang |
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"Larry L" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote Wolfgang who has never yet encountered a pithy quote for which he would exchange his brain. FWIW ( probably not much ) I am a dog trainer, a profession that tends to highly respect artful use of profanity. I can put together some pretty impressive strings of it, if I do say so myself. I don't think such language should be entirely avoided, rather I think it's real value is undermined by it's overuse .... much like the use of single word insults, any real impact lies in the rarity of usage, not in the predictability. You say "tomato," I say "potato." Wolfgang who, generally, values accuracy over impact. |
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"Wolfgang" wrote I'd trade A. B. Normal's brain for that one. hehe, I had a Labrador named Abby Normal once ... she rather lived up to the name. |
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How about "What hump?" (Marty Feldman in Young Frankenstein). That's one of my faves. I was surprised to hear "Young Frankenstein" is opening on Broadway tonight, btw. Can't imagine it as a musical; but The Producers worked, and MP's Spamelot was great. Joe F. |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:28:36 -0600, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net
wrote: Would you please post a link to a pic of the Killer Caddis? Sorry to wander off topic on this thread. http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...n_Cadd_Dr ies Third row down, in the middle. The picture, however, doesn't reveal the band of peacock herl that is tied in parallel to the hook shank and around the end of the ultra chenile body. Dave |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:53:21 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R A real piece of work... /daytripper |
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wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R But that's exactly what you did, publicly. I know you apologized, which must have been difficult, but now to say that you would never do such a thing makes your apology ring hollow. I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with your logic, but your manners were a disgrace. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:47:44 -0700, rw
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R But that's exactly what you did, publicly. If you mean to say that I publicly said that folks should not do business with him, I did not. I did suggest that there were better ways to help kids than to buy flies for kids that could easily afford them and I stick by that. I have no opinion on folks buying flies from Harry in general. I know you apologized, which must have been difficult, Why would you think it difficult? Based on his response, _I_ felt I was wrong to have said "**** Myron" and so, admitting that and apologizing wasn't difficult - why should it be? but now to say that you would never do such a thing makes your apology ring hollow. I'm not sure I understand to what you are referring - "that I would never do such a thing," but if you are referring to your take that I suggested people not do business with Harry in general, again, I didn't suggest that. I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with your logic, but your manners were a disgrace. Manners aren't intended to show other folks how wonderful your manners are, they are intended to make others feel comfortable. I had no interest in making anyone feel comfortable. TC, R |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:10:06 -0700, rw
wrote: wrote: Manners aren't intended to show other folks how wonderful your manners are, they are intended to make others feel comfortable. I had no interest in making anyone feel comfortable. TC, R Right. Sure you didn't. What was the apology for? Steve, that response doesn't sense to me - the long and short of it is that I didn't say, nor would I now say, nor should anyone assume that I said that folks should not do business with Harry. I apologized to Myron because I felt that I was wrong about having said what I said to/about him - that I owed him that apology. It had nothing to do with public sentiment or perception, and apologies have nothing to do with manners because no one is ever "owed" manners, "good" or "bad." I apologized in the same place and in the same way I felt that I had made the mistake. It would seem pointless and silly to have apologized to him in another place, but hey, maybe that's the way y'all do things in Idaho. And unless there is something constructive to add, I'm done with this. TC, R |
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rw wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R But that's exactly what you did, publicly. I know you apologized, which must have been difficult, but now to say that you would never do such a thing makes your apology ring hollow. I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with your logic, but your manners were a disgrace. i'm sending some flies to the rich kids in hong kong...well, with harry's help. ...and i applaud both harry and myron for their efforts. i didn't consider it part of my annual charitable giving or public service. i did consider it a return and continuance of the better spirit and purpose of this place...a place that originally throbbed with friendships and sharing...not rancor. it was simply a favor being returned to a "friend"...a way to say thanks. i have been the beneficiary of the kindness and gifts of many of the well-off folks who have posted or once posted here. their charity was undeserved and certainly not needed or required. however, it made a huge difference in my life and affected some of my own views and conduct ... for the better. i learned valuable and important things, that in turn inspired me to share and participate in ways i might not otherwise have done. in short...kindness and unconditional gifts have a power that shouldn't have a narrow or rigid focus. ultimately, i think it serves us all...rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate. jeff |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:44:08 -0500, jeff
wrote: rw wrote: wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R But that's exactly what you did, publicly. I know you apologized, which must have been difficult, but now to say that you would never do such a thing makes your apology ring hollow. I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with your logic, but your manners were a disgrace. i'm sending some flies to the rich kids in hong kong...well, with harry's help. ...and i applaud both harry and myron for their efforts. i didn't consider it part of my annual charitable giving or public service. i did consider it a return and continuance of the better spirit and purpose of this place...a place that originally throbbed with friendships and sharing...not rancor. it was simply a favor being returned to a "friend"...a way to say thanks. i have been the beneficiary of the kindness and gifts of many of the well-off folks who have posted or once posted here. their charity was undeserved and certainly not needed or required. however, it made a huge difference in my life and affected some of my own views and conduct ... for the better. i learned valuable and important things, that in turn inspired me to share and participate in ways i might not otherwise have done. in short...kindness and unconditional gifts have a power that shouldn't have a narrow or rigid focus. ultimately, i think it serves us all...rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate. And I'd generally agree with this, almost completely even, except that when "well-off folks" give gifts to other presumably "well-off folks" (i.e., you), it ain't charity, it's, well, well-off folks giving gifts to other presumably well-off folks. And IMO, that's fine, normal, and natural, and certainly is a sign of fellowship and friendship. Good things, indeed. Plus, such things are generally a two-way street, as it were. But let's not confuse it with "helping" anyone in the purely practical sense and that is by simple necessity of the situation purely a "one-way street." Unfortunately, there are many more people in this world that need the practical help to be able to survive to get to the warm and fuzzy parts many of us take for granted or think of as our due than there are those that can participate in a scheme involving well-off folks exchanging gifts out of friendship. TC, R jeff |
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"daytripper" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:53:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote: my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you wanted some help. I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did this make a dime your sadly mistaken. As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you, that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or privately suggest that anyone not do business with you. R A real piece of work... It takes about 48 hours for the absinthe to work its way through the system. Wolfgang |
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