Sandy?
 

As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.

Sandy?
 

Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.

Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 20:45, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.

Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not true Kennyboy, he left after you abused him.

MC

Sandy?
 

Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.




Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse.

Willi

Sandy?
 

Larry L wrote:

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.



Correction, Sandy posted to alt.flyfishing just a couple of days ago.

Willi

Sandy?
 

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.
A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.
Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.
Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

Not true Kennyboy, he left after you abused him.

LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 21:49, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.
A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.
Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.
Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

Not true Kennyboy, he left after you abused him.

LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

More propaganda and lies Kennyboy. Wont work, too many people know the
truth.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 21:49, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.
A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.
Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.
Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

Not true Kennyboy, he left after you abused him.

LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry


http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...0&scoring=d &

QUOTE


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A a year or so ago I mentioned I'd noticed,
(on Google's group statistics) that several key groups
I occasionally read, like comp.lang.php, rec.boats.buidling
and rec.woodworking, were doing well. Their average
number of posts and readers was holding steady, pretty
close to what they were 5 years ago. But rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
was down 80 percent (and that was a year ago). It's probably even more
anemic now.
I've been seeing the same unchanging name list here for several years
now.

In that post I implied, somewhat indirectly, the constant taunting
from
Fortenberry had something to do with it. Several others said
they thought it had more to do with competition from moderated
forums, like the Washington Fly Fishers and many others.

Perhaps the two (competition from forums and acid reflex disease
caused primarily by Fortenberry) are two sides of the same coin.
Fortenberry's constant pain-in-the-ass baiting would be erased by
the moderator at those forums. Fortenberry couldn't exist there
even if he wanted to. The level of discussion is an order of magnitude
more informative and well educated too. Perhaps as a result
(of his absense, and others like him).

I still log in and read this group once or twice a week. But the
frequency
I do read this group will continue to dribble off, principally because
of the
group's current cyber bully jerk. If you go back and review the
group's posts,
over the past year or so, you'll see there are still a fair number
of reasonable, helpful participants. But there is seldom a week
goes by without a **** storm. And Dangleberry is not only always
in the thick of it, he is usually it's starting point.

It will be interesting to see how much longer the group's few
remaining
responsible readers last. There is an undeniable downhill spiral
in progress. The numbers cannot be disputed. The readership here
is now tiny compared to 5 or so years ago.

UNQUOTE

A large number of people agree with him.

MC

Sandy?
 

Have you noticed Kennyboy? Google is not your friend. Hardly anybody
else is either.

MC

Sandy?
 

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.


http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...0&scoring=d &
...
A large number of people agree with him.

That's a nice enough example of Pittendrigh on his pompous
high horse badmouthing me, and that's the post I was talking
about when I said poster after poster told him he was way off
base. As I recall practically nobody agreed with him.

So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:14, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...ly/search?q=pi....
...
A large number of people agree with him.

That's a nice enough example of Pittendrigh on his pompous
high horse badmouthing me, and that's the post I was talking
about when I said poster after poster told him he was way off
base. As I recall practically nobody agreed with him.

So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You failed to note the posts where you were badmouthing him, calling
him a dip**** etc etc.

Everybody knows you are a habitual liar Kennyboy, even about silly
things where there would be absolutely no need for any normal person
to lie, That is because you are a pathological liar Kennyboy, you can
´t stop it.

Your recollection is also extremely faulty, doubtless a result of
trying to remember what you lied about.

You upset many many people, and turn countless thread into **** with
your lies, bull****, and taunting Kennyboy. Nobody here even needs to
check Google to know that.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:14, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...ly/search?q=pi...
...
A large number of people agree with him.

That's a nice enough example of Pittendrigh on his pompous
high horse badmouthing me, and that's the post I was talking
about when I said poster after poster told him he was way off
base. As I recall practically nobody agreed with him.

So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh and pardon me while I have a little snicker about a pratt like you
using the word pompous.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 8 Nov, 22:23, Mike wrote:
On 8 Nov, 22:14, Ken Fortenberry wrote:



Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
LOL !! The only "abuse" Pittendrigh suffered was poster
after poster telling him he was way off base in trying
to blame the decline of roff on one person.

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...ly/search?q=pi...
...
A large number of people agree with him.

That's a nice enough example of Pittendrigh on his pompous
high horse badmouthing me, and that's the post I was talking
about when I said poster after poster told him he was way off
base. As I recall practically nobody agreed with him.

So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh and pardon me while I have a little snicker about a pratt like you
using the word pompous.

MC

Incidentally Kennyboy, I don´t think you are solely responsible for
the "decline" of ROFF, but you are certainly a major factor. You are
also ably assisted by LaCourse and a few others. Who has become even
worse than usual of late. This effectively prevents decent people who
are interested in fishing from joining, and drives others away.

MC

Sandy?
 

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry
That's a nice enough example of Pittendrigh on his pompous
high horse badmouthing me, and that's the post I was talking
about when I said poster after poster told him he was way off
base. As I recall practically nobody agreed with him.

So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

You failed to note the posts where you were badmouthing him, calling
him a dip**** etc etc. ...

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

EOT for me.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Sandy?
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
So you're lying again, twice in the same thread and very
clumsily too. Congenital liars like you never learn, Google
is not your friend.

You failed to note the posts where you were badmouthing him, calling
him a dip**** etc etc. ...

If you have an example of me "abusing" Pittendrigh I'm
sure you'll post it, but in the absence of same it is
safe to assume that you're just lying again. When will
you ever learn Your Loony Mikeness, Google is *not* your
friend.

EOT for me.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well Ken, looks like his loonyness is spewing forth his dribble again.. I
recall that you and I didn't see eye to eye on politcal stance, but I don't
recall that degrading to any attacks.. Guess that means we can disagree
without attacking each other? Unlike his loonyness Mike?? So I guess you can
get along with others unlike what Mikey says.. OH no hold the phone, someone
gets along with Ken and Dave and others... Go **** your hand Mike....

Rick

Sandy?
 

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:28:03 -0700, Willi
wrote:

Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse.

You're a liar, Willi. Return and read the thread. I never called
Sandy anything but.......wait for it......... Sandy.

Check it out.

I disagreed with him, that is all. I disagreed with him about fishing
the spawn. And I thought it was a civil conversation. The only name
calling was you calling me a "sour old man". Remember? d;o)

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology.

Dave

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 04:39, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:28:03 -0700, Willi
wrote:

Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse.

You're a liar, Willi. Return and read the thread. I never called
Sandy anything but.......wait for it......... Sandy.

Check it out.

I disagreed with him, that is all. I disagreed with him about fishing
the spawn. And I thought it was a civil conversation. The only name
calling was you calling me a "sour old man". Remember? d;o)

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology.

Dave

Fortenberry is a bad influence on you:

QUOTE

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

Dave

UNQUOTE

MC

Sandy?
 

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:44:19 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

And apparently you can not read, Connor. Willi said I called Sandy a
name. I did not. The entire conversation was civil. I called *Tim*
a fool and jerk, because that is what he was in that post.

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology from you either, but I do wish
you would get the player's names correct. Try to follow the thread,
Connor, instead of trying to exact your punishment on me. d;o)

Dave

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 05:04, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:44:19 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

And apparently you can not read, Connor. Willi said I called Sandy a
name. I did not. The entire conversation was civil. I called *Tim*
a fool and jerk, because that is what he was in that post.

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology from you either, but I do wish
you would get the player's names correct. Try to follow the thread,
Connor, instead of trying to exact your punishment on me. d;o)

Dave

You can not read LaCourse, the phrase "Any fool, including
you..............." applies to anybody who fishes the spawn. You were
the only abusive person in that thread.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 05:04, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:44:19 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

And apparently you can not read, Connor. Willi said I called Sandy a
name. I did not. The entire conversation was civil. I called *Tim*
a fool and jerk, because that is what he was in that post.

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology from you either, but I do wish
you would get the player's names correct. Try to follow the thread,
Connor, instead of trying to exact your punishment on me. d;o)

Dave

Also Willi did not say you called Sandy a name;

QUOTE

Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse.

Willi

UNQUOTE

Which is the absolute truth.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 05:10, Mike wrote:
On 9 Nov, 05:04, Dave LaCourse wrote:



On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:44:19 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

And apparently you can not read, Connor. Willi said I called Sandy a
name. I did not. The entire conversation was civil. I called *Tim*
a fool and jerk, because that is what he was in that post.

And, yeah, I don't expect an apology from you either, but I do wish
you would get the player's names correct. Try to follow the thread,
Connor, instead of trying to exact your punishment on me. d;o)

Dave

Also Willi did not say you called Sandy a name;

QUOTE

Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse.

Willi

UNQUOTE

Which is the absolute truth.

MC

So, LaCourse, you called Willi a liar, which he is not, and you owe
him an apology.

MC

Sandy?
 

Mike wrote in news:1194581264.075234.321940@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:


You can not read LaCourse, the phrase "Any fool, including
you..............." applies to anybody who fishes the spawn. You were
the only abusive person in that thread.


I suppose we should all take a moment to thank the Fates that there were no
sharp objects in the vicinity of whomever perceived himself the recipient
of such a brutal, bloodcurdling, wounding-to-the-core-of-being, stream of
invective.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Sandy?
 

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:14:48 -0800, Mike
wrote:

So, LaCourse, you called Willi a liar, which he is not, and you owe
him an apology.

No, Willi is a liar. He probably didn't mean to lie, but he should
have gone back and read the thread before accusing me.

Of course, *you* never call *anyone* names, do you, Connor. Anyone
that disagrees with you is labeled, including those that stuck up for
you originally and then found out what an absolute nut case you are.
Go away, Mike, while you stll have a friend or two here.

And, I notice Ken is still here. d;o) How well do you take failure.
Bwwwaaaaaaahahahahaha.

Dave

Sandy?
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
...
And, I notice Ken is still here. d;o) ...

Well yeah, but I'm on pins and needles worrying about the
Düsseldorf branch of the FBI.

LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Sandy?
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:14:48 -0800, Mike
wrote:


So, LaCourse, you called Willi a liar, which he is not, and you owe
him an apology.


No, Willi is a liar. He probably didn't mean to lie, but he should
have gone back and read the thread before accusing me.

of one thing i am sure...of all the folks i know, willi isn't one i
would ever accuse, or even suggest, as being a liar. i'll accept and
rely on willi's statement of things. i too think you owe him an apology.


Of course, *you* never call *anyone* names, do you, Connor. Anyone
that disagrees with you is labeled, including those that stuck up for
you originally and then found out what an absolute nut case you are.
Go away, Mike, while you stll have a friend or two here.

and i think such statements ridiculous. no one has authority, or right,
to make such demands here. i say, stick around mike, you do have a
friend or two here...but, even if you didn't, you're as welcome here as
any of the rest of us...and you probably are needed here as much as
anyone else.


And, I notice Ken is still here. d;o) How well do you take failure.
Bwwwaaaaaaahahahahaha.

hmmm... and you think that a good thing because...?

jeff

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:18:10 -0500, jeff
wrote:

of one thing i am sure...of all the folks i know, willi isn't one i
would ever accuse, or even suggest, as being a liar. i'll accept and
rely on willi's statement of things. i too think you owe him an apology.

Willi attacked me personally, Jeff, by saying I chased Sandy away from
a thread by name calling. That is not true. I did not call Sandy
anythng but Sandy, and the thread was civil. I disagreed with his
assessment of fishing fish on the spawn, but I did not chase Sandy
anywhere. In fact, if you look at the thread, he continued to post
after my post to Timbo. I did not attack Sandy in that post.

I was shocked when Willi said that, but the truth is in the thread. I
did not chase Sandy away by calling him or anyone else names.

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.

Dave

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 15:31, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:18:10 -0500, jeff
wrote:

of one thing i am sure...of all the folks i know, willi isn't one i
would ever accuse, or even suggest, as being a liar. i'll accept and
rely on willi's statement of things. i too think you owe him an apology.

Willi attacked me personally, Jeff, by saying I chased Sandy away from
a thread by name calling. That is not true. I did not call Sandy
anythng but Sandy, and the thread was civil. I disagreed with his
assessment of fishing fish on the spawn, but I did not chase Sandy
anywhere. In fact, if you look at the thread, he continued to post
after my post to Timbo. I did not attack Sandy in that post.

I was shocked when Willi said that, but the truth is in the thread. I
did not chase Sandy away by calling him or anyone else names.

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.

Dave

You are lying again LaCourse. he did not say anything of the sort.
Indeed he asked you nicely to calm down and be civil.

MC

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:31:04 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:18:10 -0500, jeff
wrote:

of one thing i am sure...of all the folks i know, willi isn't one i
would ever accuse, or even suggest, as being a liar. i'll accept and
rely on willi's statement of things. i too think you owe him an apology.

Willi attacked me personally, Jeff, by saying I chased Sandy away from
a thread by name calling. That is not true. I did not call Sandy
anythng but Sandy, and the thread was civil. I disagreed with his
assessment of fishing fish on the spawn, but I did not chase Sandy
anywhere. In fact, if you look at the thread, he continued to post
after my post to Timbo. I did not attack Sandy in that post.

I was shocked when Willi said that, but the truth is in the thread. I
did not chase Sandy away by calling him or anyone else names.

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.

Dave

Actually, what Willi said was, IMO, absolutely correct, and IAC, it was
not "a lie." I was curious as to what he said that led to yet another
round of goofy golf AND got Scott and jeff involved so quickly, so I
read the thread on alt.ff and reread Willi's post:

"Last place I know that Sandy posted was alt.flyfishing and even there
his thread got flamed and finalized by some name calling by LaCourse."

It is, again IMO, absolutely correct and again IAC, not "a lie."

He didn't say anyone chased anyone away and he did not say that you
called Sandy anything. He said, accurately, that you did some "name
calling" and you did call Tim "Jerk." While I'd agree with Scott that
as "name calling" goes, on ROFF or in the real world, "jerk" ain't
exactly up there with, oh, say, "Hillary supporter" or "worm-dunker,"
but it is "name calling." You know, sorta like what a 5 year-old might
say.

And you did "flame" Sandy and anyone else who chose to fish over
spawners, so again, Willi was not lying. As to "finalized," I suppose
one could argue that "Jerk." was not technically the "last word," but I
don't see anyone with a bar card taking that windmill on contingency.

Moreover, Sandy's response was a whole hell of a lot more accommodating
than, IMO, it should have or needed to be. I don't think anyone would
have thought less of him if he had told you, good-naturedly, to go ****
yourself. And on that note and just as an aside, I took your "flaming"
as generally good-natured until your reply to Tim, and while you have
may have meant it good-naturedly, I can see how others might have it
otherwise.

HTH,
R

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 15:56, Mike wrote:
On 9 Nov, 15:31, Dave LaCourse wrote:



On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:18:10 -0500, jeff
wrote:

of one thing i am sure...of all the folks i know, willi isn't one i
would ever accuse, or even suggest, as being a liar. i'll accept and
rely on willi's statement of things. i too think you owe him an apology.

Willi attacked me personally, Jeff, by saying I chased Sandy away from
a thread by name calling. That is not true. I did not call Sandy
anythng but Sandy, and the thread was civil. I disagreed with his
assessment of fishing fish on the spawn, but I did not chase Sandy
anywhere. In fact, if you look at the thread, he continued to post
after my post to Timbo. I did not attack Sandy in that post.

I was shocked when Willi said that, but the truth is in the thread. I
did not chase Sandy away by calling him or anyone else names.

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.

Dave

You are lying again LaCourse. he did not say anything of the sort.
Indeed he asked you nicely to calm down and be civil.

MC

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:48:48 -0600, Willi
wrote:

Your posts weren't always like that.

Perhaps they changed AFTER I stopped fishing the spawn. d;o) My
comments are the truth; fishing a spawn is never sport. The fish are
in an agitated state and will strike at just about anything. I
discovered this while fishing for chinooks in Canada. They were
fairly easy to hook, difficult to land. ANY spawning fish is easy to
hook.

Dave

That's not true, there are spawning fish that are "impossible" to
catch
while spawning without snagging them.

but that wasn't my point.

Like I said in my last post, I knew you would rationalize all your
negative posts, but take the time and read your last 100 and see what
you think.

Willi

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On Oct 23, 1:26 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:23:44 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:
This kind of thinking is like feeling guilty about a wet dream. Give
me a freeking break man. It's sport when they're starving to survive
(and feeding during a hatch) but it's not sport when they're striking
defensively? You must drive yourself nuts.

Any fool, including you, can catch a spawning fish without even
trying. Put the lure in front of them and they will strike it. The
term "shooting fish in a barrel" was surely coined to describe fishing
the spawn. What's the matter, Tim, you can't catch fish the normal
way, ya gotta go after the spawners to feel macho? Jerk.

Dave

Calm down Dave. Next thing you know this place will be as
acrimonious as roff. Nobody's a jerk here, including you
me and Tim. Spawning fish can be easy to catch.
But like I pointed out earlier, I watched 3 guys (part of
a guided trip out of West Yellowstone) strip streamers over
those fish all day without a single hit.

I put on a little more weight, waited a little longer after the cast,
hand-twisted slowly, and knocked'em silly. After a few fish
(it was fun for an hour or so) I let them be.
They're over-populated there and they want you to konk'em.
So--at least in that sense--sport (or lack thereof) is irrelevant.
Fish'em if you want. Don't fish'em if you don't want.

I'm easy.

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You are not going to get away with this **** on here unchallenged
again LaCourse. You failed to read or comprehend what people wrote,
you called them fools and jerks, and now you accuse someone of lying.

You are a mean stupid nasty man LaCourse, and you cause a great deal
of trouble as a result.

The only person lying here is you LaCourse.

Furthermore, the only person "punishing" you on here is yourself you
continually make yourself look stupid. I can´t "punish" anybody here,
all I can do is tell the truth.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 14:51, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:14:48 -0800, Mike
wrote:

So, LaCourse, you called Willi a liar, which he is not, and you owe
him an apology.

No, Willi is a liar. He probably didn't mean to lie, but he should
have gone back and read the thread before accusing me.

Of course, *you* never call *anyone* names, do you, Connor. Anyone
that disagrees with you is labeled, including those that stuck up for
you originally and then found out what an absolute nut case you are.
Go away, Mike, while you stll have a friend or two here.

And, I notice Ken is still here. d;o) How well do you take failure.
Bwwwaaaaaaahahahahaha.

Dave

Willi is not a liar LaCourse, you are the only one lying and
bull****ting about this.

I am not going anywhere LaCourse. I am going to challenge you every
time you lie and bull****.

MC

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:56:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

You are lying again LaCourse. he did not say anything of the sort.
Indeed he asked you nicely to calm down and be civil.

Riiiight. Believe what you want, Connor. Everyone knows you are
mentally sick. You need help, just as Scott pointed out.

Dave

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:08:59 -0800, Mike
wrote:

You are not going to get away with this **** on here unchallenged
again LaCourse. You failed to read or comprehend what people wrote,
you called them fools and jerks, and now you accuse someone of lying.

You are a mean stupid nasty man LaCourse, and you cause a great deal
of trouble as a result.

I called Tim a fool and jerk, not Sandy or Willi.

As far as being mean and nasty: You have me and everyone else beat on
that, hands down, because of your illness. Get help, Mike. Stop
trying to "get even" with Fortenberry and me.

BTW, have you noticed? Fortenberry is *still* posting. d;o)

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:06:32 -0600, wrote:

And on that note and just as an aside, I took your "flaming"
as generally good-natured until your reply to Tim, and while you have
may have meant it good-naturedly, I can see how others might have it
otherwise.

Well, how very generous of you. I repeat, I was not flaming or name
calling anyone. Sandy and I had a civil conversation. Period. If
there was any name calling in that thread, except jerk, it was Willi,
not me. And Tim is a fool and a jerk.

Dave

Sandy?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:23:48 -0800, Mike
wrote:

I am not going anywhere LaCourse.

Yeah, riiight. You have swished your cape ten or fifteen times so
far. Someone will say a remark some day soon, and swiiiiissshhhh, off
you will go. I know the sun will rise in the morning, and you will
leave in a snit. It is your history to leave, Mike. It is
inevitable.

LaCourse

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 16:44, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:08:59 -0800, Mike
wrote:

You are not going to get away with this **** on here unchallenged
again LaCourse. You failed to read or comprehend what people wrote,
you called them fools and jerks, and now you accuse someone of lying.

You are a mean stupid nasty man LaCourse, and you cause a great deal
of trouble as a result.

I called Tim a fool and jerk, not Sandy or Willi.

As far as being mean and nasty: You have me and everyone else beat on
that, hands down, because of your illness. Get help, Mike. Stop
trying to "get even" with Fortenberry and me.

BTW, have you noticed? Fortenberry is *still* posting. d;o)

The fact is LaCourse, you lied in order to denigrate somebody, and you
continue to do so. I am not trying to "get even" with you or anybody
else LaCourse, I am merely truthfully pointing out that you are a
liar, a bul****ter, and a trouble maker.

I am not ill LaCourse, that is merely something else you have invented
to try and discredit me. You can believe what you like LaCourse, but
when you post lies and bull**** here, I will be there to refute them.

Your stupid and spiteful remarks, based on your faulty perceptions and
miserable character make no difference to me LaCourse. I will continue
to challenge both you and Fortenberry every time you post lies and
bull****.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 16:41, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:56:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

You are lying again LaCourse. he did not say anything of the sort.
Indeed he asked you nicely to calm down and be civil.

Riiiight. Believe what you want, Connor. Everyone knows you are
mentally sick. You need help, just as Scott pointed out.

Dave

It is not a question of my beliefs LaCourse, it is a fact that you
lied, and continue to do so, because you can not accept anybody
disagreeing with you. You take it as a personal slight. When caught
out in your lies and bull****, you accuse others of doing the same
thing.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 16:50, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:06:32 -0600, wrote:
And on that note and just as an aside, I took your "flaming"
as generally good-natured until your reply to Tim, and while you have
may have meant it good-naturedly, I can see how others might have it
otherwise.

Well, how very generous of you. I repeat, I was not flaming or name
calling anyone. Sandy and I had a civil conversation. Period. If
there was any name calling in that thread, except jerk, it was Willi,
not me. And Tim is a fool and a jerk.

Dave

You are lying again LaCourse. It has been proven beyond all shadow of
doubt that you are lying, by showing you your own words, but still you
continue to lie, bull****, and backpedal.

There is no way out of it, you are a dishonourable liar.

MC

Sandy?
 

On 9 Nov, 16:54, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:23:48 -0800, Mike
wrote:

I am not going anywhere LaCourse.

Yeah, riiight. You have swished your cape ten or fifteen times so
far. Someone will say a remark some day soon, and swiiiiissshhhh, off
you will go. I know the sun will rise in the morning, and you will
leave in a snit. It is your history to leave, Mike. It is
inevitable.

LaCourse

I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave
and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.

MC

Sandy?
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.

I was surprised that Willi dirtied his hands with the likes of you.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Sandy?
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

That, unfortunately, makes Willi a liar.


Dave:

I doubt many, if any, share that opinion of Willi. I certainly don't. I
read the other thread; I read the posts here. Willi didn't lie.

Tim Lysyk