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I've been fishing RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders in 7.5' 5x size, all
season with good results. Recently I purchased the same RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders but in 9' 7x size. These leaders were a nightmare to fish. They had a real bad "memory" problem and coiled up no matter what I did to get them straight. Why would these have the problem when the 7.6 5x were fine? Is there anything I can do to get these leaders to straighten out and "lose" the memory? Is there a better brand/model of tapered leaders that I should be buying instead of Rio? Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I was really surprised by this. |
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mdk77 wrote:
I've been fishing RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders in 7.5' 5x size, all season with good results. Recently I purchased the same RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders but in 9' 7x size. These leaders were a nightmare to fish. They had a real bad "memory" problem and coiled up no matter what I did to get them straight. Why would these have the problem when the 7.6 5x were fine? Is there anything I can do to get these leaders to straighten out and "lose" the memory? Is there a better brand/model of tapered leaders that I should be buying instead of Rio? Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I was really surprised by this. I don't know why the 9' 7x leaders would have that memory problem, but I suggest that you not use them because the uses for 7x tippet are few and far between. You can always tie on 7x tippet when you feel you need it. I primarily use Rio 7.5' leaders, but I usually buy them in 3x size and then tie on smaller tippet (typically 5x). I also carry a couple of Rio 9' leaders (and extra tippet) for those occasions when I need a longer leader, and I've never noticed a memory problem with them. BTW, some people in ROFF think that 7x is NEVER useful. I disagree. I use it when fishing the Trico hatch at Silver Creek (and pretty much only then). I've landed sizable fish on 7x, and lost few, too. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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rw wrote:
I don't know why the 9' 7x leaders would have that memory problem, but I suggest that you not use them because the uses for 7x tippet are few and far between. You can always tie on 7x tippet when you feel you need it. I primarily use Rio 7.5' leaders, but I usually buy them in 3x size and then tie on smaller tippet (typically 5x). I also carry a couple of Rio 9' leaders (and extra tippet) for those occasions when I need a longer leader, and I've never noticed a memory problem with them. BTW, some people in ROFF think that 7x is NEVER useful. I disagree. I use it when fishing the Trico hatch at Silver Creek (and pretty much only then). I've landed sizable fish on 7x, and lost few, too. This is good advice. I also use 7.5' 3X leaders, and tie tippet on as I need. I rarely go below 5X in the waters I fish. Only time I deviate from this is when I fish streamers for bull trout, then I use a larger diameter leader. Tim Lysyk |
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mdk77 wrote:
I've been fishing RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders in 7.5' 5x size, all season with good results. Recently I purchased the same RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders but in 9' 7x size. These leaders were a nightmare to fish. They had a real bad "memory" problem and coiled up no matter what I did to get them straight. Why would these have the problem when the 7.6 5x were fine? Is there anything I can do to get these leaders to straighten out and "lose" the memory? Is there a better brand/model of tapered leaders that I should be buying instead of Rio? Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I was really surprised by this. it's the 7x. i use the rio 9' 4x...then cut and tie tippet as necessary for conditions. no memory problems...except 6x tippet will kink and coil easily. though i've fiddled with 7x, 6x is usually as low as i go. most often use 5x...except on places like the madison, where 4x is necessary to bully the big fish out of the fast waters. jeff |
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Interesting! I rarely use anything under 9', of course this is dependent upon the length of rod you use, what you fish for, how you are fishing and where you fish. For low and big water I switch to 12' and have even used 15' leaders. I believe Rio leaders are of the softer variety if leaders. I do not know if this fact has anything to do with the memory problem. I do know that in the finer tippet sizes, the softer leader materials kink badly when using certain knots to tie the fly to the tippet. It's annoying. ( I've switched to the Davy's Knot, which helps some.) I also know that as leader material gets older, it does have this problem. Is it possible these leaders were purchased " On Sale" because they'd been sitting around for too long? It could be because, as rw said, they don't get used very much by anglers, and they'd been on the shelf too long. I build my own leaders using Maxima leader material. This is stiffer than Rio and comes in different tints of color. I then vary the tippet material for different circumstances. I don't have a lot of problems straightening these leaders out by simply stretching them a bit. Hope this helps, Mark -- Soft-hackle 'Flymphs, Soft-hackles & Spiders' (http://tinyurl.com/2u5ak6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Soft-hackle's Profile: http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulleti...php?userid=660 View this thread: http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulleti...ad.php?t=12962 ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Tim Lysyk wrote:
rw wrote: ... I primarily use Rio 7.5' leaders, but I usually buy them in 3x size and then tie on smaller tippet (typically 5x). ... This is good advice. I also use 7.5' 3X leaders, and tie tippet on as I need. I rarely go below 5X in the waters I fish. ... Ditto for me. I buy 7.5' 3X exclusively for everything except muskie & pike, the only difference is I like Orvis SuperStrong. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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What are you fishing for using 7x leader?
Like those who posted before me, I would go to a 4x or 5x leader and then go to a smaller tippet. There is little water I have fished that requires a 7x tippet. Another neat little trick is to go to fluoro carbon tippet. A 5x fc is about the same as a 6x nylon as far as strength and visibility in the water. I carry nothing but 5x in fc tippet. I use Orvis super strong leaders and tippet. I have used RIO a couple of times when I left home on a trip and found myself short of leaders. No problems with 5x RIOs. Dave |
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On Nov 10, 10:46 am, mdk77 wrote:
I've been fishing RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders in 7.5' 5x size, all season with good results. Recently I purchased the same RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders but in 9' 7x size. These leaders were a nightmare to fish. They had a real bad "memory" problem and coiled up no matter what I did to get them straight. Why would these have the problem when the 7.6 5x were fine? Is there anything I can do to get these leaders to straighten out and "lose" the memory? Is there a better brand/model of tapered leaders that I should be buying instead of Rio? Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I was really surprised by this. I pretty much agree with most of the above posts. I use Climax knotless leaders, and purchase them in 7-1/2 ' 3X and 9' 4X. My home river features tiny midges down to a #30 and BWO's down to #26 in the late summer and fall, so by this time of year, I'm down to 7X and sometimes even 8X tippets, but I agree that for most fishing, 5X or 6X is about as light as you need to go. Lots of opinions regarding flourocarbon. I know some people swear by it, but I've been fishing side by side with some pretty good midge fishermen who are using flouro, and more than holding my own with mono. I think it's a confidence thing....if you think the flouro gives you an advantage, then you fish it with more confidence, and your success rate increases. |
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On 10-Nov-2007, George Adams wrote: Lots of opinions regarding On 10-Nov-2007, George Adams wrote: late summer and fall, so by this time of year, I'm down to 7X and sometimes even 8X tippets, but I agree that for most fishing, 5X or 6X is about as light as you need to go. Lots of opinions regarding flourocarbon. I know some people swear by it, but I've been fishing side by side with some pretty good midge fishermen who are using flouro, and more than holding my own with mono. I think it's a confidence thing....if you think the flouro gives you an advantage, then you fish it with more confidence, and your success rate increases. You may be right about confidence I prefer fleurocarbon as I thinks it curls far less At least it is what I think and I do fish it well. I can no longer see to tie # 7 tippet anymore - barely tie on wiith #6 Unlees I take along one of my younger minions to tie things on for me 5 or 6 is as low as I go and I do a lot or C&R I dont really want to play a fish too long unless it is big and I am going to kill it With large rainbows that we will eat I would use a #4 With salmon a #2 If a fish breaks off thats OK also. Fishing is fun Catching is also but it is not life n death for me I just like being in places where fish hang around - better than cities Fred |
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On Nov 10, 11:52 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
What are you fishing for using 7x leader? Like those who posted before me, I would go to a 4x or 5x leader and then go to a smaller tippet. There is little water I have fished that requires a 7x tippet. Another neat little trick is to go to fluoro carbon tippet. A 5x fc is about the same as a 6x nylon as far as strength and visibility in the water. I carry nothing but 5x in fc tippet. I use Orvis super strong leaders and tippet. I have used RIO a couple of times when I left home on a trip and found myself short of leaders. No problems with 5x RIOs. Dave I'm going to try fishing at Taneycomo, Mo. next year and that was recommended. I'd never fished anything smaller than 5x and I also fish 7.5' leaders, so the 9' was alien to me also. I thought I'd "practice" a bit around home here with the new leaders. I caught white bass on it locally. But the leaders had coil-memory that I couldn't straighten out. I hated fishing with them. The 9' 7x leaders with additional tippet seemed like fishing with spiderweb, and on windy days. I'm fishing a 4wt DT line with this setup. Maybe the leaders had been "on the shelf" a long time before I bought them. I noticed that the rated "pound test" on the leader package was less than what Rio now sells. So maybe these leaders were sitting for years before they were purchased, and that was why they had the permanent coil problems. It was like fishing with a "slinky" toy that I had as a kid. Anyway, I'm going back to my old leaders. I'll take the advice on ROFF and go with fine tippet, but not the long 7x leaders. |
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On 11 Nov, 01:53, mdk77 wrote:
On Nov 10, 11:52 am, Dave LaCourse wrote: What are you fishing for using 7x leader? Like those who posted before me, I would go to a 4x or 5x leader and then go to a smaller tippet. There is little water I have fished that requires a 7x tippet. Another neat little trick is to go to fluoro carbon tippet. A 5x fc is about the same as a 6x nylon as far as strength and visibility in the water. I carry nothing but 5x in fc tippet. I use Orvis super strong leaders and tippet. I have used RIO a couple of times when I left home on a trip and found myself short of leaders. No problems with 5x RIOs. Dave I'm going to try fishing at Taneycomo, Mo. next year and that was recommended. I'd never fished anything smaller than 5x and I also fish 7.5' leaders, so the 9' was alien to me also. I thought I'd "practice" a bit around home here with the new leaders. I caught white bass on it locally. But the leaders had coil-memory that I couldn't straighten out. I hated fishing with them. The 9' 7x leaders with additional tippet seemed like fishing with spiderweb, and on windy days. I'm fishing a 4wt DT line with this setup. Maybe the leaders had been "on the shelf" a long time before I bought them. I noticed that the rated "pound test" on the leader package was less than what Rio now sells. So maybe these leaders were sitting for years before they were purchased, and that was why they had the permanent coil problems. It was like fishing with a "slinky" toy that I had as a kid. Anyway, I'm going back to my old leaders. I'll take the advice on ROFF and go with fine tippet, but not the long 7x leaders. If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. MC |
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On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred |
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On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote:
On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred No, you only have to do it once. In cold weather, placing the leader in a hot cup of coffee for instance, and then holding it straight while it cools ( It is NOT necessary to stretch it), will ensure that the leader remains straight. The same applies to fly-line. Although you may need a larger coffee cup. MC |
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On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote:
On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred "Fluorocarbon" is merely nylon coated with fluorocarbon, and suffers form the same problems. The rather stiffer fluorocarbon coating prevents some memory problems to an extent, but causes others, not least problems with knots. MC |
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On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: "Fluorocarbon" is merely nylon coated with fluorocarbon, and suffers form the same problems. The rather stiffer fluorocarbon coating prevents some memory problems to an extent, but causes others, not least problems with knots. ============================ I did not kniow that it was nylon only coated w flrocarbon I thought that the fiber was " flurocarbon" itself Do you mean wind knots or memoriy after tying a knot? And what do you use? Fred |
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On 11 Nov, 08:02, wrote:
On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: "Fluorocarbon" is merely nylon coated with fluorocarbon, and suffers form the same problems. The rather stiffer fluorocarbon coating prevents some memory problems to an extent, but causes others, not least problems with knots. ============================ I did not kniow that it was nylon only coated w flrocarbon I thought that the fiber was " flurocarbon" itself Do you mean wind knots or memoriy after tying a knot? And what do you use? Fred No, the monofilament itself is nylon, which is a copolymer. The coating is fluorocarbon. One can not mix fluorocarbon with the molecular structure of nylon. The problems with fluorocarbon coated nylon are various. This is is due to the properties of the fluorocarbon. It is stiffer than nylon, it has a lower coefficient of friction, and it shields the nylon from decay. Ordinary nylon will eventually decay as a result of light and other other effects, but nobody knows how long fluorocarbon will last, present estimates range from forty or fifty years, to centuries. This alone is in my opinion a good reason not to use it. If you unpick a wind knot in fluorocarbon coated nylon, that portion of the line is irreparably damaged. The stiff fluorocarbon coating is compromised at that poinnt. I use ordinary nylon. I like Maxima, but I will quite happily use any other brand as well. MC |
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Many of the "standard" knots in nylon are typical "jam" knots. They
work because the coefficient of friction of the nylon allows them to work. Fluorocarbon has a very much lower coefficient of friction, and as a consequence, many knots will not work. MC |
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There are now only about six manufacturers of nylon on the planet. All
the nylon is manufactured in an identical manner. The final properties of any particular batch are controlled by the degree of polymerisation, and any post productin treatment involved. Various coatings affect those properties considerably as well. The ordinary nylon used for fishing line is basically all more or less identical. Some is "harder" as a result of being post-production treated by heating and stretching over roller systems. Some is softer as it is merely extruded and spooled. Stretching and heating any thermoplastic has the effect of rearranging the molecular structure of the polymer chains in a longitudinal manner. This makes the result stronger when subjected to a direct pull, but reduces its shear strength. "Memory" is an intrinsic property of all thermoplastics, which allows them to return to their original shape after being deformed. Exceeding the memory capacity of such plastics by deforming them beyond their ability to reform, results in permanent deformation. MC |
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"Memory" is an intrinsic property of all thermoplastics, which allows them to return to their original shape after being deformed. Exceeding the memory capacity of such plastics by deforming them beyond their ability to reform, results in permanent deformation. This is why some "kinks" and similar can not be removed from nylon, even with heat, as the line has lost its capacity to reform at this point. Picking out wind knots which have formed very tightly also results in more or less irreparable kinks for the same reason. if you donīt remove wind knots immediately ( which have nothing at all to do with wind, but are the result of poor casting and tailing loops), then you might as well not bother, as the line is weakened anyway. MC |
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If you want some pretty good and fairly comprehensive info on Nylon,
then have a look here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon Knowing the properties of various things allows one to make better choices in their use, or even to avoid them, and also explains why they behave as they do. The "blurb" published by various fishing tackle manufacturers is virtually never accurate, or even useful. In the majority of cases it is merely advertising bull****. MC |
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On 11-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: Knowing the properties of various things allows one to make better choices in their use, or even to avoid them, and also explains why they behave as they do. The "blurb" published by various fishing tackle manufacturers is virtually never accurate, or even useful. In the majority of cases it is merely advertising bull****. MC Pretty good series of posts Thanks man. I understand fibers as I have worked developing and inventing specialized non wovens for the textile industry - specifically embroidery No more flurocarbon for me. Fred |
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On Nov 11, 12:49 am, Mike wrote:
On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote: On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred No, you only have to do it once. In cold weather, placing the leader in a hot cup of coffee for instance, and then holding it straight while it cools ( It is NOT necessary to stretch it), will ensure that the leader remains straight. The same applies to fly-line. Although you may need a larger coffee cup. MC Thanks Mike. This was very helpful. This will help me straighten my remaining leaders so I won't have completely wasted my money on them. - Dave K. |
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On 11 Nov, 16:38, mdk77 wrote:
On Nov 11, 12:49 am, Mike wrote: On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote: On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred No, you only have to do it once. In cold weather, placing the leader in a hot cup of coffee for instance, and then holding it straight while it cools ( It is NOT necessary to stretch it), will ensure that the leader remains straight. The same applies to fly-line. Although you may need a larger coffee cup. MC Thanks Mike. This was very helpful. This will help me straighten my remaining leaders so I won't have completely wasted my money on them. - Dave K. Cheaper to make your own anyway. Try this; http://www.ukswff.co.uk/Forum2/viewt...eebd584 1313a Just add tippet as required. They work as well as furled leaders. TL MC |
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Cheaper to make your own anyway. Try this; http://www.ukswff.co.uk/Forum2/viewt...fbab5cba941d32... Just add tippet as required. They work as well as furled leaders. TL MC If you find they are a little "springy" after completion. Dip in very hot water for a few seconds ( ten...twenty seconds) and then stretch slightly while allowing to cool. TL MC |
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Stretch it yourself?
No, this is done after extrusion. The different types of nylon also have different melting points. The process of "stretching", along with some other information, is described here; http://web.utk.edu/~mse/pages/Textil...n%20fibers.htm It is more or less impossible to do any of these things in an amateur workshop or similar. They are industrial processes requiring special machinery and know how. I developed and built some electronic monitoring equipment for some process lines, and learned quite a bit about the processes while doing so. Sorry, once again, I donīt have any specifics for fluorocarbons. I only have some very general information on fishing lines. Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor |
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For a very general explanation of this, see here;
http://www.yo-zuri.com/Products/ProdLine/Hybrid.htm TL MC |
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As you can see, they also claim a unique molecular fluorocarbon/nylon
bonding system. Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor |
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Yes, I also have some experimental samples of "Carbon Bond" line,
which is incredibly strong for its diameter. I have a 1000 meter spool of this with a diameter of 0.01 mm, ( which is about equivalent to 7X) and a breaking strain of ~ 5lbs. This is about two and a half to three times the normal breaking strain of such a diameter in ordinary nylon etc. It also has very little stretch. I have no details on its structure or properties as yet, or even what it exactly is, and it is not available to the general public.It may not go into production at all, it seems the firm is having marketing problems. I did a few jobs for them on their machinery, as a favour to one of the partners. I have not used it for fishing yet, but I imagine it will be more or less perfect tippet material for trout fishing with small flies. ( assuming it is environmentally friendly etc) The line I have is a light translucent brown colour, ( looks like very fine clear brown/ amber nylon) which at present is the only colour available. I donīt know why. This of course assumes that one would want to use such extremely strong tippet in the first place. If you have to pull for a break, then something has to give, and it is always better for the tippet to break than anything else. Also, it is extremely unlikely that very fine hooks will stand the amount of pressure one could exert with such a tippet. These things are often far more complex than one might imagine, and one thing leads to another. Such extremely fine tippet will also not turn over a standard dry fly in larger sizes, because the thinner the tippet, the less ability to transfer power along its length. The Yo-Zuri is also first class, but all these lines are bad for the environment, and so I donīt use them. You can find the RIO specs ( which are very reliable) here; http://www.rioproducts.com/page.php?recKey=15 I canīt give you any info on de-glinting the fluorocarbon, because I donīt know what effect it might have. It is perfectly safe and easy to de-glint nylon with a paste of Fullerīs earth, ( Mixed with soap and glycerine), and I consider it imperative to do this. But I donīt use fluorocarbon lines, coated or otherwise, and I donīt know if this method works on much of it. It did not work very well on some of the lines I tested, the coating is extremely abrasion resistant. So it may not be either easy or sensible to abrade a fluorocarbon coated line, and I donīt know whether it will work at all on "100%" fluorocarbon line. It may cause the line to waterlog? Which would weaken it considerably. I really donīt know. Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor |
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PS. It will also make it a lot more visible! The refractive index
depends on an unmarred surface! Which is another reason the "invisibility" is more or less useless, and basically just a marketing gag. Glinting line will spook a lot of fish, and if you canīt de-glint it is practically useless. It is to me any way! :) PPS I donīt use many flies smaller than a #16, so the line is actually of very little use to me, except for a couple of special tactics, one of which is fishing weighted flies deep on fine tippet. The finer the tippet, the faster and deeper the fly sinks. |
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rw wrote in news:4735d3ee$0$17025
: BTW, some people in ROFF think that 7x is NEVER useful. I disagree. I use it when fishing the Trico hatch at Silver Creek (and pretty much only then). I've landed sizable fish on 7x, and lost few, too. I find 7x can be very helpful to achieve a drag-free drift while nymphing. There's less profile for the current to have its way with. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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Sorry, that is of course 0.1 mm !!! |
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On Nov 11, 12:49 am, Mike wrote:
On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote: On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it is by heating and then cooling. The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines. OK So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this repeatedly- Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions? If so I am staying w fleuro carbon Fred No, you only have to do it once. In cold weather, placing the leader in a hot cup of coffee for instance, and then holding it straight while it cools ( It is NOT necessary to stretch it), will ensure that the leader remains straight. The same applies to fly-line. Although you may need a larger coffee cup. MC Hey Mike, THANK YOU for this great tip. It worked really well for me. I just heated some water in my teapot (I'm a tea drinker) and plopped it in for a couple of minutes - water though, not tea :-) And took it out, straightened it, and when it cooled, the leader was perfectly straight. You just saved me some money, due to the fact I had purchased a number of these leaders. I had never had a problem with Rio leaders before this so I didn't give it a thought, until they arrived, and were unusable. Now they're fine. Thanks again Mike. - Dave K. |
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Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers. Scott Reverse name to reply Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location. -tom |
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On Nov 14, 9:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers. Scott Reverse name to reply Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location. -tom I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great. - Dave K. |
Newbie leader question
mdk77 wrote in news:1195053918.180138.313530@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com: I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great. - Dave K. The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem. You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of heating them up a little with friction really does the trick. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Newbie leader question
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:25:18 -0000, mdk77
wrote: On Nov 14, 9:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in cold water. Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers. Scott Reverse name to reply Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location. -tom I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great. I'd suggest exchanging them, or if that isn't possible, and you wish to use them, I'd suggest checking them out _carefully_ (break test, etc.) before relying on them - a break-off at the line end would be a bad thing for more than just you - lengths of mono, etc., in the water is not good. These sound like they had already been exposed to (high) heat, UV, or something. Did they sit in a hot vehicle for any length of time? TC, R - Dave K. |
Newbie leader question
On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: mdk77 wrote in news:1195053918.180138.313530@ 50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com: I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great. - Dave K. The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem. You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of heating them up a little with friction really does the trick. Something else might be up - he said he tried it with "no joy." I wonder if the material wasn't somehow previously damaged/altered. TC, R |
Newbie leader question
On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem. You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of heating them up a little with friction really does the trick. If you straighten them with hot water and then coil them for storage in your vest, you will still have memory. If you can not get up enough heat with your fingers, there are leader straighteners on the market. The trouble with them, however, is that you can not control the heat. Too much heat and you damage the leader. It's best to use your fingers, and if you do not *feel* the heat, you are not applying enough pressure with your fingers. When you placed the leaders in hot water, what do you think straightened them? The heat. There is no hot water on a stream, so a leader straightener or your fingers are the only solution. Where are you fishing using 7x, and what for, Dave? Dave |
Newbie leader question
mdk77 wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote: "Scott Seidman" wrote: Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers. Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location. I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great. You should never have to resort to a hot water bath to straighten a leader. If you can't straighten the leader with the friction heat of your bare fingers then the leader is unusable and should be returned to the place of purchase or trashed. I wouldn't trust a leader which had been subjected to a hot water bath, not for leader strength and certainly not for knot strength. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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