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Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
"mdk77" wrote in message ... I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... Not a stupid question, but asked in the wrong place. Only the fish can give you a definitive answer. :) Wolfgang who, forced to divulge a personal opinion, would probably opt for both.......else how can the question be put to the test? |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly". My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft. http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94 A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ... -- Ken Fortenberry |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On 6 Dec, 21:44, mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...0502fotw..html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffith´s Gnat; http://thomaszuellich.de/Fliegendose/griffiths_e.html TL MC |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Dec 6, 3:02 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: mdk77 wrote: I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly". My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft. http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94 A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ... -- Ken Fortenberry Thanks Ken. That's good advice. It's pretty humbling to be a newbie and have to ask so many questions like this. But I figure that if I never ask, I'll never learn. |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Dec 6, 3:23 pm, mdk77 wrote:
On Dec 6, 3:02 pm, Ken Fortenberry wrote: mdk77 wrote: I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly". My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft. http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94 A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ... -- Ken Fortenberry Thanks Ken. That's good advice. It's pretty humbling to be a newbie and have to ask so many questions like this. But I figure that if I never ask, I'll never learn. p.s. Ken, you're correct in that I'm heading to fish the Taneycomo, (Missouri) tailwaters, about a mile down from the dam. |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
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Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Dec 6, 3:22 pm, Mike wrote:
On 6 Dec, 21:44, mdk77 wrote: I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffith´s Gnat; http://thomaszuellich.de/Fliegendose/griffiths_e.html TL MC Thanks Mike. That's a neat site. I liked this link from that site (a page of fly patterns): http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweile...weilenmann.htm |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
Mike wrote in news:19e577a7-cb14-4f37-8f19-
: No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffithïs Gnat; A newbie should learn how to deal with peacock herl the correct way. Nothing like the basics. There's a very good description in The Benchside Reference, that makes use of the fact that there's a long side and a short side to the herl, and you tie it on such that the long side protrudes. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
"mdk77" wrote in message ... I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... the biggest difference, IMO, is size; the basic form being similar. cracklebacks are larger griffins gnats are typcially smaller |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Dec 6, 3:53 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:19e577a7-cb14-4f37-8f19- : No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffithïs Gnat; A newbie should learn how to deal with peacock herl the correct way. Nothing like the basics. There's a very good description in The Benchside Reference, that makes use of the fact that there's a long side and a short side to the herl, and you tie it on such that the long side protrudes. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Thanks Scott. I have that book and will reference it when I tie the Gnat. |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Dec 6, 4:20 pm, "fly.flinger"
wrote: "mdk77" wrote in message ... I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the "recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes: Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey, how do you learn if you don't ask... the biggest difference, IMO, is size; the basic form being similar. cracklebacks are larger griffins gnats are typcially smaller I thought about that after I posted the OP. My original plan was to tie the Crackleback in size 12 and 14, and the Gnat in 18 and 20. Like Ken said, I have two different animals here, both dogs but different breeds. Thanks. |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On 6 Dec, 22:53, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:19e577a7-cb14-4f37-8f19- : No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffithïs Gnat; A newbie should learn how to deal with peacock herl the correct way. Nothing like the basics. There's a very good description in The Benchside Reference, that makes use of the fact that there's a long side and a short side to the herl, and you tie it on such that the long side protrudes. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Yeah sure, only use the line number printed on your rod, only use peacock herl like the "experts" tell you, don´t fart in church........ If you don´t conform you are more or less beyond the pale. TL MC |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:32:46 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote: Yeah sure, only use the line number printed on your rod, only use peacock herl like the "experts" tell you, don´t fart in church........ If you don´t conform you are more or less beyond the pale. Different strokes for different folks. You think that if we do not conform to YOUR advice we are a bunch of lost souls. Not true. The Benchside Ref Manual is THE authority for just about anything to do with tying. You should buy one. There IS a right and a wrong way of tying in herl. The newbie should learn the correct way. If he wants to experiment, fine, but he should learn the basics, the orthadox methods first. Dave |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On 7 Dec, 00:31, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:32:46 -0800 (PST), Mike wrote: Yeah sure, only use the line number printed on your rod, only use peacock herl like the "experts" tell you, don´t fart in church........ If you don´t conform you are more or less beyond the pale. Different strokes for different folks. You think that if we do not conform to YOUR advice we are a bunch of lost souls. Not true. The Benchside Ref Manual is THE authority for just about anything to do with tying. You should buy one. There IS a right and a wrong way of tying in herl. The newbie should learn the correct way. If he wants to experiment, fine, but he should learn the basics, the orthadox methods first. Dave I don´t think anything of the sort, but my saying so will not affect your perception of anything, and even the attempt would be futile. Quite sad really, for a very long time I respected a lot of people here, and was indeed anxious to learn from you. In point of fact I learned quite a lot, but not what I expected or hoped. Regardless of what you might think, I bear you no malice. I am getting old, and coming ever more to the realisation that many things are quite pointless. It is not your fault that you are a fool, it is just how it is. Doubtless you will see that as an insult. It really does not matter. Whatever you do, try to enjoy yourself, your fishing, your life, your family. I wish you well Mr.LaCourse, mainly because I have no sensible grounds for wishing you otherwise. TL MC |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:53:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote: I wish you well Mr.LaCourse, mainly because I have no sensible grounds for wishing you otherwise. Well, thank you, Mr. Connor. And likewise to you, I am sure. Oh, yeah, almost forgot. You're a liar. Dave |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Oh, yeah, almost forgot. You're a liar. You just can't help yourself. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:24:15 -0800, rw
wrote: You just can't help yourself. Nor can you. d:o) |
Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)
On 8 Dec, 21:46, "jeffc" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... I don´t think anything of the sort, but my saying so will not affect your perception of anything, and even the attempt would be futile. Quite sad really, for a very long time I respected a lot of people here Yet you keep posting here, over and over and over. And over. And over. and was indeed anxious to learn from you. That was good for a chuckle. This is an international public newsgroup, and anybody who has access can post here. If you don´t like it, you know what to do. MC |
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