5 year plan
 

I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.

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one summer for snake river, yellowstone area....
imho.....




On Dec 11, 4:03 pm, "Larry L" wrote:
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.

5 year plan
 

Larry L wrote:
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.

My wish list includes Labrador, Argentina, Alaska, Ireland
and far northern Ontario by canoe.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those
two numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for
a new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because
I havent' heard about it.



move to Centre County, Pennsylvania. Fish a quarter mile per day on(at
various times): Penn's Creek, Elk Creek,
Spring Creek, Little Junianta Creek, Spruce Creek and Big Fishing Creek.
This should provide variety, as well
as a chance to catch some damned fine brown trout in pleasant scenery, in a
spot you can pretty well fish all year around.
Tom
p.s. You can use bad weather stretches, when they occur
to restock all the flies you lost and concoct new things to
appeal to some of the fussiest fish on the planet.

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move to Centre County, Pennsylvania. Fish a quarter mile per day on(at
various times): Penn's Creek, Elk Creek,
Spring Creek, Little Junianta Creek, Spruce Creek and Big Fishing Creek.
This should provide variety, as well
as a chance to catch some damned fine brown trout in pleasant scenery, in a
spot you can pretty well fish all year around.

Okay, selling off all my belongings (minus the fly tackle) as we
speak.

p.s. You can use bad weather stretches, when they occur
to restock all the flies you lost and concoct new things to
appeal to some of the fussiest fish on the planet.

Or you can run down to Tom's place and raid his stash. Take that
whatever way you want.
Frank Reid

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"Tom Littleton" wrote


move to Centre County, Pennsylvania. Fish a quarter mile per day on(at
various times): Penn's Creek, Elk Creek,
Spring Creek, Little Junianta Creek, Spruce Creek and Big Fishing Creek.
This should provide variety, as well
as a chance to catch some damned fine brown trout in pleasant scenery, in
a spot you can pretty well fish all year around.
Tom
p.s. You can use bad weather stretches, when they occur
to restock all the flies you lost and concoct new things to
appeal to some of the fussiest fish on the planet.



Tom, I've read enough of your posts to know you truly love your home waters
and that you enjoy fishing that would appeal to me. A week at a clave
doesn't sound like my style and it's one hell of a long drive to
Pennsylvania, but I DO have it in the back of my mind as a wannadosomeday.
If I make it, I hope you can take a day to show me around a bit, you strike
me as a person I'd like to meet.


Honestly, if I drive to Pa towing my trailer can I expect to make most of a
summer out of it, at least a month or more? I only fish a couple hours a
day, trying to pick the best hours, of course, and I enjoy getting to really
know a place so I don't need a lot of water. I'd need a place(s) to park
the rig without severely breaking the bank or being in a Walmart parking lot
G a basic forest service style campground is just fine.

Is access relatively available? When I fished the Letort, 8 years ago, I
often expected people to come out of their homes and shoot me G although
the only person that came out was Charlie Fox's daughter, I was told !! (
Lawson has a picture of the 'picnic table' behind that house, in his Spring
Creek book ) Anyway, I spent much of my time wondering where I could be
legally, not something I enjoy.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Honestly, if I drive to Pa towing my trailer can I expect to make most of
a summer out of it, at least a month or more? I only fish a couple
hours a day, trying to pick the best hours, of course, and I enjoy getting
to really know a place so I don't need a lot of water. I'd need a
place(s) to park the rig without severely breaking the bank or being in a
Walmart parking lot G a basic forest service style campground is just
fine.

Is access relatively available? When I fished the Letort, 8 years ago,
I often expected people to come out of their homes and shoot me G
although the only person that came out was Charlie Fox's daughter, I was
told !! ( Lawson has a picture of the 'picnic table' behind that house, in
his Spring Creek book ) Anyway, I spent much of my time wondering
where I could be legally, not something I enjoy.


If you wanted to see the place at it's best, May and June are when you would
ideally wish to be there. As for limiting your fishing day, you could(if you
wish) wait all
day, find a spot and fish from 7 until dark-thirty and see
prime time. Cheap camping could be had in a few places,
but the state campground at Poe Paddy is dead in the
middle of the prime water. Check with Bruce Fisher
at www.pennscreekangler.com for more info than you
could possibly even digest in one sitting. Should you decide to come, get in
touch with me beforehand, and I'll
find you there.....
Tom

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Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote


move to Centre County, Pennsylvania. Fish a quarter mile per day on(at
various times): Penn's Creek, Elk Creek,
Spring Creek, Little Junianta Creek, Spruce Creek and Big Fishing Creek.
This should provide variety, as well
as a chance to catch some damned fine brown trout in pleasant scenery, in
a spot you can pretty well fish all year around.
Tom
p.s. You can use bad weather stretches, when they occur
to restock all the flies you lost and concoct new things to
appeal to some of the fussiest fish on the planet.




Tom, I've read enough of your posts to know you truly love your home waters
and that you enjoy fishing that would appeal to me. A week at a clave
doesn't sound like my style and it's one hell of a long drive to
Pennsylvania, but I DO have it in the back of my mind as a wannadosomeday.
If I make it, I hope you can take a day to show me around a bit, you strike
me as a person I'd like to meet.


Honestly, if I drive to Pa towing my trailer can I expect to make most of a
summer out of it, at least a month or more? I only fish a couple hours a
day, trying to pick the best hours, of course, and I enjoy getting to really
know a place so I don't need a lot of water. I'd need a place(s) to park
the rig without severely breaking the bank or being in a Walmart parking lot
G a basic forest service style campground is just fine.

Is access relatively available? When I fished the Letort, 8 years ago, I
often expected people to come out of their homes and shoot me G although
the only person that came out was Charlie Fox's daughter, I was told !! (
Lawson has a picture of the 'picnic table' behind that house, in his Spring
Creek book ) Anyway, I spent much of my time wondering where I could be
legally, not something I enjoy.



Larry - I'll certainly defer to tom l., vince norris, davePA, and mike
makela (also bruce who owns the new flyshop on lower penns), but thought
i'd give you my own perspective.

of all the creeks mentioned by tom, in my opinion, penns creek offers
the most variety of water and is a phenomenal bug factory with big wild
fish that are very discriminating. it would be the place i'd recommend
for you. second...is the little juniata, but i've only fished it once.
i did not care for spruce creek...only a small stretch is open to the
public...or spring creek...which is in the midst of houses and roads and
peopled stuff (at least in the spots i was shown). fishing creek is ok
for a day tryst, but penns is a month-long creek that will never disappoint.

solely from your writings and photos, i perceive you as one who enjoys a
more remote, solitary approach...with the ability to control your
intermingling with others. penns will accommodate that approach nicely.
my first suggestion would be to find one of the camping spots along
old mingle road in the national forest. no hook-ups or showers...just a
few primitive camp sites. the closest to the creek is about 300 yards
up the road from the creek as i recall, but i was there several years
ago. i'm sure there are other locales.

i like poking about all day, so i'm not one of the morning and evening
hatch guys. penns has so much water to explore, and it has such variety,
you can find about anything you want. i have always been amazed at the
numbers who stake out certain pools and runs...just park
themselves...waiting for a rise or hatch. the trails/paths along the
creek are well-worn and easy walking. it's a popular place, but you can
usually find a spot. crowds and muddying from rain are the main
down-side. i have fished long stretches in the trophy trout c&r section
without running into another person. in most of the popular and easy
access spots like the blue rock hole you'll almost always have company.
i use those times to observe and learn...but, there are some huge
trout in that hole that are fun to tempt...and a tough drift over by the
big rock that not many can master (i never have). lots of challenges.
lots of excellent, old time flyfishermen too. i've met men in their
late 70s on the stream...one old guy in rubber hip boots, flannel shirt,
two flies in his pocket.

penns creek valley is a beautiful place. i think western fishermen,
especially those attuned to details like you, will enjoy penns.

the bug life is incredible. i've never experienced anything like it out
west, but i understand some of the silver creek hatches (trico?) might
rival penns. however, standing in penns in the evening as dark is
beginning to cover the stream and the hatch wallops you like the devil's
own locust hurricane...it's unnerving and phenomenal. and so many
different kinds of bugs.

if you go...i'd suggest the end of april through the second week in
june. you'll see the best of grannoms, march browns, sulphurs, green
drakes...and everything else. the transition from one hatch to the next
is fascinating...esp. the fish's behavior to it. i watched huge green
drakes float down the stream beside small sulphurs. the fish ignored
the big meal and took the bite-size sulphur instead. penns is something
every fisherman ought to experience at least once. i think it will
satisfy you...though you probably won't feel a need to return. i seem
to be able to avoid it, while i can't cure my addiction to the carolina
waters or your haunts out west. still, i hope to return to penns this
year. as a bonus...you will discover many photo opps and i'd like to
see how your eye captures the place.

anyway...i know you'll receive numerous responses and opinions, but
ultimately it's your own experience that's the true test. it's a worthy
adventure...esp. for a retired old fart who loves flyfishing, wild fish,
and beautiful places. hellfire man, the mysteries abound and the time
for solution is running away from all of us.

....and, the clave thing ain't a bother. almost all of the folks i've
met are tolerable...and easy to avoid. g they sure don't force
themselves on anyone, nor are they critical of those who choose to
wander off and not engage in the frequent gatherings for meals or drinks
or lie-tellings. ultimately though, i think you'll discover new friends
of the angle. one of the positive aspects of this place.

jeff

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those
two numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for
a new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because
I havent' heard about it.

Voelker country. More modest and unassuming than any of the other
suggestions you've gotten thus far.....or are likely to get.....but
possessed of a unique charm all its own. It has the advantage of being
"away" and downright unpopular by the standards applicable to most well
known fly fishing venues today......an advantage which, if your overt
statements and projected persona here are to be given any credence, should
be of great interest not only to you, but also to those few brothers of the
angle you are likely to encounter.

Wolfgang

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On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Voelker country.

I disagree with your recommendation. Little tiny fish, tag alder
everywhere you look, very few amenities nearby, downright rotten
weather, black flies that will eat as much of you as they can find
leaving only a few bare spots for their friends the mosquitos to feast
upon. Nope. No sir. Can't recommend Voelker country.

Wm

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Larry L typed:
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those
two numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest
it's time for a new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't
want GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend
the next 5 summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place
simply because I havent' heard about it.

Congrats on being able to retire at 55. I'm hoping to retire sometime in my
sixties. :(

The recommendations you've received so far carry more credence than I can
offer, but Spring or Fall in New England can offer some very nice fishing.
Throw in upstate New York along the CT, MA, and VT borders, and you could
easily kill several months hitting new and very different waters every week.
Given the proximity of PA to New England, you could stay on blue-ribbon
trout waters from Spring *through* Fall, or even go for some stripers (no,
not strippers, Jeff) on the flats off Cape Cod. The other New Englanders who
frequent this place (you know who you are) can add more to the party than I,
but it's certainly something to put in the mix.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Voelker country.

I disagree with your recommendation. Little tiny fish, tag alder
everywhere you look, very few amenities nearby, downright rotten
weather, black flies that will eat as much of you as they can find
leaving only a few bare spots for their friends the mosquitos to feast
upon.

More truth in that last sentence than one customarily finds here in a week.
:)

Nope. No sir. Can't recommend Voelker country.

Oh......yeah......that's what I meant.

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those
two numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for
a new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because
I havent' heard about it.


Larry,
if you've never been stranded on an Alaskan River for two weeks, fishing
for a variety of different species, you'll be in for quite a surprise. If
you
like crowds, it wouldn't be the place to even consider, because you'll be
out of touch with people. Some anglers actually have a hard time being
alone. From reading your post, you sound like an instinctive fisherman,
you'll be your own guide.

The first time I hooked up on a King Salmon on a river, I was scared to
death, thought It was going to rip my arms off. I couldn't believe how fast
it took me to the backing (seconds). My first King weighed in at 34 lbs.,
the biggest was 41 lbs. there are some that are 50+ lbs. you'll see them if
you go.

I'm also used to the Northern California brook and rainbows, and was blown
away by the large Alaskan Leopard Rainbows...unbelievable fighters.
It's truly a thrill to get one on a dry fly.

We also caught Char, Dolly Varden, Silver Salmon, and Grayling. The first
year I was there I caught Lake Trout. Other species of salmon in the river
are the Sockeye's and Humpies, but didn't get any of those.

It's quite an experience, you may want to try it at least once in your
life if you haven't already. I have the contacts if you're interested.
The cost is also reasonable compared to other outfitters.
I also have the topo maps and GPS, and flies to use if needed.
-tom

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Larry L wrote:

I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.

I hesitated to jump in here, as I am a relative newbie to trout
fishing, but then I remembered that this is ROFF, and ignorance should
never deter someone from posting. :-)

I'd recommend the Crowsnest Pass area in Canada near the Alberta/BC
border. The scenery is spectacular, and you have access to the Crow and
excellent rainbow and brown trout fishing. Plus there are several less
well-known cutthroat streams within about an hour's drive. (The Castle
and the Livingstone and their tribs are all worthy of checking out.
Plus, closer to Calgary is the Highwood.)

I'd also recommend the streams in western North Carolina and east
Tennessee, but Jeff would probably have to kill me if I did.


Chuck Vance (and maybe Wayne Knight and wayno, too)

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On 12-Dec-2007, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:

ease list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next
5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply
because
I havent' heard about it.


Larry,
if you've never been stranded on an Alaskan River for two weeks, fishing
for a variety of different species, you'll be in for quite a surprise. If
you
like crowds, it wouldn't be the place to even consider, because you'll be
out of touch with people. Some anglers actually have a hard time being
alone. From reading your post, you sound like an instinctive fisherman,
you'll be your own guide.

The first time I hooked up on a King Salmon on a river, I was scared to
death, thought It was going to rip my arms off. I couldn't believe how
fast
it took me to the backing (seconds). My first King weighed in at 34 lbs.,

the biggest was 41 lbs. there are some that are 50+ lbs. you'll see them
if
you go.

I'm also used to the Northern California brook and rainbows, and was blown

away by the large Alaskan Leopard Rainbows...unbelievable fighters.
It's truly a thrill to get one on a dry fly.

We also caught Char, Dolly Varden, Silver Salmon, and Grayling. The first

year I was there I caught Lake Trout. Other species of salmon in the river

are the Sockeye's and Humpies, but didn't get any of those.

It's quite an experience, you may want to try it at least once in your
life if you haven't already. I have the contacts if you're interested.
The cost is also reasonable compared to other outfitters.
I also have the topo maps and GPS, and flies to use if needed.
-tom

Thats next for me a King on a fly rod
I have a place on Kodiak Island picked out
But I would love to know about the outfitter Tom used and where he went
because when I was in AK the first time - last yr
Kenai and other places were combat fishing
and I dio not want to see that again

Other places on my list - Labrador for Brookies
Patagonia
New Zealand

I dont live too far from Crowsnest Pass
And have fished the area twice
and that is a great area also w the Bow, Crowsnest and other rivers
also on the way i fished ythe YAAK river vaklley which was beautiful and
remote

Fred

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wrote in message
...


Thats next for me a King on a fly rod
I have a place on Kodiak Island picked out
But I would love to know about the outfitter Tom used and where he went
because when I was in AK the first time - last yr
Kenai and other places were combat fishing
and I dio not want to see that again
Fred

Here you go:
http://www.pbadventures.com/fishing.html
Say hello to Steve & Robin for me,
-tom

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On 12-Dec-2007, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:

Here you go:
http://www.pbadventures.com/fishing.html
Say hello to Steve & Robin for me,
-tom



Thanks & I will

Fred

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote

I'd also recommend the streams in western North Carolina and east
Tennessee, but Jeff would probably have to kill me if I did.


Chuck Vance (and maybe Wayne Knight and wayno, too)

i'd be careful when opening christmas mail this year, vance...

yfitons
wayno

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"Tim J." wrote


Congrats on being able to retire at 55. I'm hoping to retire sometime in
my sixties. :(


Was only partly an "able to" thing ... partly I was forced to retire by a
variety of things beyond my control.





The recommendations you've received so far carry more credence than I can
offer, but Spring or Fall in New England can offer some very nice fishing.
Throw in upstate New York along the CT, MA, and VT borders, and you could


I lived a couple months in Wolcott (sp) N.Y. right on the lake .. the cabin
was in danger of being undermined as the lake water ate away at the cliff it
was on. The place had a little creek running into the lake to that had
warm water fish. And I shot my first and only Grouse there ... after
shooting many trees first, in the attempt. The cabin had no power or
running water ( hand pump inside though ) and belonged to the family of a
dear friend. He and his wife spent one entire Winter there, snow shoeing
out a mile to the plowed road, then digging out his car, one time to go
shopping.

You are right the upper east is a beautiful place, especially in the Fall.

--------------------------------------------------------

As I remembered that time I was drawn to google my old pal, we lost touch
mostly because he was rightfully put off by my alcohol usage "back then"

We were at Wolcott that fall shortly after he finally was released from the
Army hospitals ... maybe a year+ from the time this was written .... I first
read it at the time as a mail he sent to me, from a hospital .... and I
was surprised to find it again

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC ... but worth the read, imho http://tinyurl.com/3cg3bw

Robert put it on the web, so I can't think he'll mind my linking to it here
......

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:03:24 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years.

Youngster! d;o)

Two weeks on the Rapid River in Maine for bigs brookies and landlock
salmon that tail dance across a pool.

Easy to do: Alaska. Big (31 inch) rainbows, 16 lb silvers on a 7
weight. Big kings early in the season. Dollies in the 3 - 5 lb range
become pests.

A little harder to do: Labrador for everything from 5 lb brook trout
to 38 inch pike. Lakers, landlocks, and whitefish too. (Harder
because of transportation costs. Many of the camps in Labrador are
suffering because of high airline costs. You can fly to Europe and
back two times for what it would cost flying from Boston to Lab City.)

And still harder because of costs and logistics: Kamchatka for big
rainbows. It sounds exotic and it is, but the food is horrible, and
watch out what water you use to brush your teeth. A week long float
down the Zhuponava will have you wrestling 30 inch rainbows day after
day. A thrill you will never forget - a big rainbow breaking through
a foam patch on the river to snatch your imitation mouse pattern.
Carry lots of toilet paper.

A note of warning about Penns Creek: Not meant as a slam, for it is a
wonderful place to fish, but if it rains hard for a day, the river
will get very murkey and hard to fish (if even possible). Many of the
rivers/streams in that section will also be blown out because of
rains. If you catch it without rain, however, count on big browns and
bows on dries and nymphs.

So many places, so little time.

Dave

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote


I'd recommend the Crowsnest Pass area in Canada near the Alberta/BC
border. The scenery is spectacular, and you have access to the Crow and
excellent rainbow and brown trout fishing. Plus there are several less
well-known cutthroat streams within about an hour's drive. (The Castle
and the Livingstone and their tribs are all worthy of checking out. Plus,
closer to Calgary is the Highwood.)



I went up to that area last summer but never fished, it was a hubby and wife
vacation.

Last June when we were there everything was pretty damn blown out, even the
Bow down below the dams at Carseland

I met a fellow troutbum this year, with a similar story to mine ... forced
early retirement, physical limitations on where he can fish

He goes to the Crowsnest each year, and I plan to contact him and try to
meet there.


ON the soft hackle thread, this guy, Dave, fishes soft hackles almost
exclusively, down on the swing, and catches a lot of fish and some big fish
..... he got me trying it on water that doesn't suggest it, i.e. slow Silver
Creek flows and it does work G

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"Wolfgang" wrote


Voelker country. More modest and unassuming than any of the other
suggestions you've gotten thus far.....or are likely to get.....but
possessed of a unique charm all its own. It has the advantage of being
"away" and downright unpopular by the standards applicable to most well
known fly fishing venues today......


I sometimes see pictures of tiny spring creeks in what, I think, is the area
you mention ... they always appeal to my imagination

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:03:24 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.

Are you intending to limit yourself to trout fishing or are you
interested in other fishing, as well?

And FWIW and IMO, there's a bunch of trout water out there; you will
miss some, even allowing 5 years and if it the only type of fishing you
do. I don't say that to discourage you, but rather, to perhaps change
your perspective so as to not worry about what fishing you _will_ miss -
i.e., the inevitable...

TC,
R

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote

Easy to do: Alaska. Big (31 inch) rainbows, 16 lb silvers on a 7
weight. Big kings early in the season. Dollies in the 3 - 5 lb range
become pests.



None of the expedition like fishing trips have ever sparked a desire in me.

I'm looking more for "seasonal homes" than whirl wind adventures involving
boats, guides, trains, planes, and automobiles.

Indeed, Tom's "move to Centre County, Pennsylvania." hit home with me ....
I'm looking to expand my list of "adopted home waters" and with the kind of
relationship "home water" implies, at least to me.

When I found out that Chile has good fishing and my kid was going there,
first I looked around for lodges and such but before long I was researching
real estate and what might be involved in maintaining a second home there
.... I think that kinda shows my inclination and the desires I wish to fill
G


As for the type trip you enjoy and suggest, I can "understand" the appeal,
but can't say I really feel it .... but thanks for the suggestions.

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wrote


Are you intending to limit yourself to trout fishing or are you
interested in other fishing, as well?



I'm not limited to trout, per se.

But I am looking to spend my time in places I like. The environment I
think of when people speak of "the flats" and "mangrove swamps" isn't a
favorite of mine. they are OK for short periods, but not where I'd want to
retire.

Indeed, to my mind, the biggest drawback to the Pennsylvania summer idea can
be summed up in one word

...... humidity

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote


Voelker country. More modest and unassuming than any of the other
suggestions you've gotten thus far.....or are likely to get.....but
possessed of a unique charm all its own. It has the advantage of being
"away" and downright unpopular by the standards applicable to most well
known fly fishing venues today......


I sometimes see pictures of tiny spring creeks in what, I think, is the
area you mention ... they always appeal to my imagination

Yeah, we've got plenty of those, but we also have a wide variety of other
waters......something to suit just about every taste.

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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...to my mind, the biggest drawback to the Pennsylvania summer idea can be
summed up in one word

..... humidity

Ah, that narrows the field considerably. You won't find anything you like
east of about the 100th meridian.

Wolfgang

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Prince Edward Island in Canada is an incredible place to fish. It's
an out of the way place (at least for me in Illinois) and I don't
think it's very well known for fishing so there isn't a lot of
pressure. You can catch nice Brook, Rainbow and Sea Trout. The whole
island has spring fed rivers all over the place. They all have great
trout fishing. There is also deep sea fishing (it's a lot of fun and
not expensive). They have tuna that go over 1000 pounds.

My dream, when I retire, is to go back there again. It's a beautiful
island for fishermen. No crowds and plenty of trout.

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:23:09 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Indeed, Tom's "move to Centre County, Pennsylvania." hit home with me ....
I'm looking to expand my list of "adopted home waters" and with the kind of
relationship "home water" implies, at least to me.

Not to belittle Centre County, PA, but the Rangeley area of Maine
offers far better fishing without the hassle of weather conditions.
There are any number of rivers/streams in that area and nearby NH that
offer some of the best fishing on the east coast as to size, quantity,
and quality, and they are all wild fish - no stockers.

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"jeff" wrote


i like poking about all day, so i'm not one of the morning and evening
hatch guys.


I poke about more than might be guessed by my "fish a couple hours a day"
Suffice it to say that when you expect to fish every day for the next
several months, poking changes meaning.

And I have limited physical abilities, too much poking and the next day is
mainly pain pills. ( had another MRI yesterday, maybe another operation
soon ) One reason I don't seek out you or other roffians coming to "my"
area in the summer is simply that I'd be a real stick in the mud for you
viral youngsters, out to cover the miles and challenge the depths of the
canyons.

Saunter is a pace I have the luxury of being able to afford, and if I miss
out on something because I didn't get there today, there is always tomorrow
..... if not, well I'll not be in a situation to care

Reread my "couple hours" to "very leisurely pace," and it will have
slightly more accuracy.

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:47:12 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:23:09 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Indeed, Tom's "move to Centre County, Pennsylvania." hit home with me ....
I'm looking to expand my list of "adopted home waters" and with the kind of
relationship "home water" implies, at least to me.

Not to belittle Centre County, PA, but the Rangeley area of Maine
offers far better fishing without the hassle of weather conditions.
There are any number of rivers/streams in that area and nearby NH that
offer some of the best fishing on the east coast as to size, quantity,
and quality, and they are all wild fish - no stockers.

fwiw, while one can indeed find wild trout in many Maine waters in Franklin
County - particularly those with limited or no public access (Aziscohos,
Cupsuptic and Mooselookmeguntic lakes, for instance) - Maine IFW stocks
Rangely and most of the surrounding lakes and their tributaries...

http://www.maine.gov/ifw/fishing/rep...kingreport.pdf

/daytripper

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:02:17 -0500, daytripper
wrote:

http://www.maine.gov/ifw/fishing/rep...kingreport.pdf

Of course. Didn't say there wasn't any stocking in Maine. There is
none, however, on the Rapid, Magallaway, Kennebago to name a few.
They are all great rivers with big wild brook trout. And, there are
others if you know how to get to them, plus the Penobscot and Kennebec
are a short drive away. Northern Maine with all of its native brook
trout populations are not stocked nor is the St. John or the Alagash.
It would take a lifetime to fish all those ponds and streams in that
wild country.
Dave

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:23:28 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote


Are you intending to limit yourself to trout fishing or are you
interested in other fishing, as well?



I'm not limited to trout, per se.

But I am looking to spend my time in places I like. The environment I
think of when people speak of "the flats" and "mangrove swamps" isn't a
favorite of mine. they are OK for short periods, but not where I'd want to
retire.

Perhaps I misunderstood - I took you to mean that you were looking for
other areas to fish/visit rather than retire, but ???

Indeed, to my mind, the biggest drawback to the Pennsylvania summer idea can
be summed up in one word

..... humidity

Man, if think Penn in May-June is humid, you are REALLY limited as to
where you can/will go...come to New Orleans in about mid-August - a
steambath at the bottom of swimming pool while being firehosed is less
humid...OTOH, I suppose, during that same time, offshore (in the Gulf)
or even on the beach along the Gulf Coast) isn't bad at all most days.

TC,
R

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:23:09 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:
Not to belittle Centre County, PA, but the Rangeley area of Maine
offers far better fishing without the hassle of weather conditions.

that is, if you don't mind fishing in snow and freezing conditions for 6
months out of the year, and don't mind
blackflies all that much when it's warmer.

There are any number of rivers/streams in that area and nearby NH that
offer some of the best fishing on the east coast as to size, quantity,
and quality, and they are all wild fish - no stockers.


that much IS very true. Beautiful country it is, to boot.
As for the rain in PA business, while Penn's and to some
extent, the Little Junianta DO blow out after heavy rains,
it takes a lot to muddy up Big Fishing Creek or the other
small streams in the area. As for native fish, most of the
fish in the Centre County area are streambred browns or
brookies. Some streams have stocking, but the good ones are self-supporting.
Tom

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:10:41 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

and don't mind
blackflies all that much when it's warmer.

Blackflies? In Maine? Never heard of them. tic

d;o)

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On Dec 12, 10:19 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Voelker country.

I disagree with your recommendation. Little tiny fish, tag alder
everywhere you look, very few amenities nearby, downright rotten
weather, black flies that will eat as much of you as they can find
leaving only a few bare spots for their friends the mosquitos to feast
upon.

More truth in that last sentence than one customarily finds here in a week.
:)

Nope. No sir. Can't recommend Voelker country.

Oh......yeah......that's what I meant.

Um.... you said late May was good for you, right? :-)

Bill

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On Dec 12, 7:03 am, "Larry L" wrote:
I turned 60 a couple weeks ago, and I've been retired 5 years. Those two
numbers seem to invite a little introspection and suggest it's time for a
new 5 year plan.

Please list the places you like to fly fish for trout. No, I don't want
GPS or real secret spots. But, as I think about how to spend the next 5
summers "trout bumming" I don't want to miss a great place simply because I
havent' heard about it.


Here's a 5 year trout bumming plan for you...
http://www.flyfishingtheglobe.net/

We met Dan in Mongolia and sent him Roger and Vaughan's way.

--riverman

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wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 10:19 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Voelker country.

I disagree with your recommendation. Little tiny fish, tag alder
everywhere you look, very few amenities nearby, downright rotten
weather, black flies that will eat as much of you as they can find
leaving only a few bare spots for their friends the mosquitos to feast
upon.

More truth in that last sentence than one customarily finds here in a
week.
:)

Nope. No sir. Can't recommend Voelker country.

Oh......yeah......that's what I meant.

Um.... you said late May was good for you, right? :-)

I don't recall exactly what time frame I said was good. So, I just checked
my calendar. Looks like I'm free from about 3:30 this afternoon till early
October.

Wolfgang
who may shudder! be headed up that way for some hard water fishing within
the next month or so.

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Larry L wrote:

"jeff" wrote


i like poking about all day, so i'm not one of the morning and evening
hatch guys.



I poke about more than might be guessed by my "fish a couple hours a day"
Suffice it to say that when you expect to fish every day for the next
several months, poking changes meaning.

And I have limited physical abilities, too much poking and the next day is
mainly pain pills. ( had another MRI yesterday, maybe another operation
soon ) One reason I don't seek out you or other roffians coming to "my"
area in the summer is simply that I'd be a real stick in the mud for you
viral youngsters, out to cover the miles and challenge the depths of the
canyons.

Saunter is a pace I have the luxury of being able to afford, and if I miss
out on something because I didn't get there today, there is always tomorrow
.... if not, well I'll not be in a situation to care

Reread my "couple hours" to "very leisurely pace," and it will have
slightly more accuracy.



**** larry...i'm 57. and...i often find pleasure in a different cadence
with good company (which i feel certain you would be...and much better
than i'd offer in return). i've been privileged to fish wit a lot of
folks. i've enjoyed the fishing 100% of the time (even with
fortenberry)...well, maybe 99%. there was one time jim was going to beat
my ass and throw me out of the boat in the gulf stream that wasn't too
much fun.

anyhow...there's photos, conversation, and an awful lot of info about
fly-tying, etc. that can occupy a fisherman's leisure fishing days.
give it a shot one year.

jeff

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Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Dec 12, 10:19 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

wrote in message

...


On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Voelker country.

I disagree with your recommendation. Little tiny fish, tag alder
everywhere you look, very few amenities nearby, downright rotten
weather, black flies that will eat as much of you as they can find
leaving only a few bare spots for their friends the mosquitos to feast
upon.

More truth in that last sentence than one customarily finds here in a
week.
:)


Nope. No sir. Can't recommend Voelker country.

Oh......yeah......that's what I meant.

Um.... you said late May was good for you, right? :-)


I don't recall exactly what time frame I said was good. So, I just checked
my calendar. Looks like I'm free from about 3:30 this afternoon till early
October.

Wolfgang
who may shudder! be headed up that way for some hard water fishing within
the next month or so.



early october? assuming water returns to carolina, you available?

jeff