Lapland Clave 2004
 

No, I haven't decided yet. The choices are many and there are also other
factors in play.

I had thought of one option, namely Saxnas village, but that seems to have
become a popular choice among other people and organisations also.
http://www.flyfishing-and-flytying.c..._01_09_03.html
Not only that but this too,
http://www.laplandfishing.com/2004_EFFC.htm

What's a guy to do?

Another, and more and more appealing, option is starting to become my first
choice.
I think a lot of those interested would skip this clave though, if I were to
choose an alternative that means the total wilderness experience. AND, after
all, a clave should be about meeting with people as much as about fishing
(not to mention testing new whiskeys).

Not writing Saxnas off just yet.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Lapland Clave 2004
 

Hum, yep one does not like the crowds ; however we could get there before
they do (midsummer?)...

Another, and more and more appealing, option is starting to become my first
choice.
curious to know what that one is!...

Jerome


Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
No, I haven't decided yet. The choices are many and there are also other
factors in play.

I had thought of one option, namely Saxnas village, but that seems to have
become a popular choice among other people and organisations also.
http://www.flyfishing-and-flytying.c..._01_09_03.html
Not only that but this too,
http://www.laplandfishing.com/2004_EFFC.htm

What's a guy to do?

Another, and more and more appealing, option is starting to become my
first
choice.
I think a lot of those interested would skip this clave though, if I were
to
choose an alternative that means the total wilderness experience. AND,
after
all, a clave should be about meeting with people as much as about fishing
(not to mention testing new whiskeys).

Not writing Saxnas off just yet.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Hum, yep one does not like the crowds ; however we could get there before
they do (midsummer?)...

Another, and more and more appealing, option is starting to become my
first
choice.
curious to know what that one is!...

Jerome


Well, Jerome.

I have located a cabin that is possible to rent. This cabin is situated
high, high up River Laisan.
A heli flight would be necessary, and the cabin will only take 5 of us, the
rest are going to have to use tents.
The good part about this is that we would have access to a kitchen with gas
stove, running water from a small creek to wash in and a sauna.
The price would end up at something like US$300 per person depending on the
number of attendees.

I'm also working on locating and negotiating with the owners of an even
nicer cabin (12 beds).
Anyway, since it is not legal to build cabins that high up in the mountains
anymore (has not been so for more than 60 years, unless you are of Saami
origin and then with strong restrictions) the only ones to try for are the
ones already existing. I know of three such cabins in an area of about 500
square kilometers, and one of those is not for rent.

Still working on other options too, but feeling that I need to reach a
decision.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

Roger,

As you have understood, having access to a cabin makes all the difference:
better sleep, protection if it rains. It makes the wilderness "liveable" for
the "not so die hard" ones.

On top of the quoted price, one needs to add flight, food and permit but
this sounds like good value.
Anyway, we will see what you decide in the end.
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Hum, yep one does not like the crowds ; however we could get there
before
they do (midsummer?)...

Another, and more and more appealing, option is starting to become my
first
choice.
curious to know what that one is!...

Jerome


Well, Jerome.

I have located a cabin that is possible to rent. This cabin is situated
high, high up River Laisan.
A heli flight would be necessary, and the cabin will only take 5 of us,
the
rest are going to have to use tents.
The good part about this is that we would have access to a kitchen with
gas
stove, running water from a small creek to wash in and a sauna.
The price would end up at something like US$300 per person depending on
the
number of attendees.

I'm also working on locating and negotiating with the owners of an even
nicer cabin (12 beds).
Anyway, since it is not legal to build cabins that high up in the
mountains
anymore (has not been so for more than 60 years, unless you are of Saami
origin and then with strong restrictions) the only ones to try for are the
ones already existing. I know of three such cabins in an area of about 500
square kilometers, and one of those is not for rent.

Still working on other options too, but feeling that I need to reach a
decision.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...

I have located a cabin that is possible to rent. This cabin is situated
high, high up River Laisan.
A heli flight would be necessary, and the cabin will only take 5 of us,
the
rest are going to have to use tents.
The good part about this is that we would have access to a kitchen with
gas
stove, running water from a small creek to wash in and a sauna.
The price would end up at something like US$300 per person depending on
the
number of attendees.

I'm also working on locating and negotiating with the owners of an even
nicer cabin (12 beds).
Anyway, since it is not legal to build cabins that high up in the
mountains
anymore (has not been so for more than 60 years, unless you are of Saami
origin and then with strong restrictions) the only ones to try for are the
ones already existing. I know of three such cabins in an area of about 500
square kilometers, and one of those is not for rent.

Still working on other options too, but feeling that I need to reach a
decision.



I like the direction this is taking: remote fly-in, a cabin with stove, etc.
and tent and sleeping space. This works well for kitchen uses, rain etc. We
could have a nightly contest for the cabin beds: the biggest fish, the most
fish, etc. :-)

One suggestion about the date: the best timeframe for me would be to begin
during the first week in August: I know we were talking having it a week
earlier, but my summer class will get done on July 18, and then Lauren and I
will be in Croatia until August 2 (thats when she needs to go back to Congo.
I don't need to be back until August 13). So I will be free from August 2
until August 10/11 or so.

If we have it in the last week of July, I almost certainly won't be able to
come, as that means one week in Croatia, then a week at the clave, then she
will be going back to Congo and I'll have 2 more weeks with no place to be.
Even for a low maintenance woman, that won't go over well...

--riverman

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Roger,

As you have understood, having access to a cabin makes all the difference:
better sleep, protection if it rains. It makes the wilderness "liveable"
for
the "not so die hard" ones.

On top of the quoted price, one needs to add flight, food and permit but
this sounds like good value.
Anyway, we will see what you decide in the end.
Jerome

Jerome,

The heli flight was included. But you're correct, one needs to get here
also.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...


I have located a cabin that is possible to rent. This cabin is situated
high, high up River Laisan.
A heli flight would be necessary, and the cabin will only take 5 of us,


I like the direction this is taking: remote fly-in, a cabin with stove,
etc.
and tent and sleeping space. This works well for kitchen uses, rain etc.
We
could have a nightly contest for the cabin beds: the biggest fish, the
most
fish, etc. :-)

One suggestion about the date: the best timeframe for me would be to begin
during the first week in August: I know we were talking having it a week
earlier, but my summer class will get done on July 18, and then Lauren and
I
will be in Croatia until August 2 (thats when she needs to go back to
Congo.
I don't need to be back until August 13). So I will be free from August 2
until August 10/11 or so.

It is possible to rent the cabin from August 2 - 9.

If we have it in the last week of July, I almost certainly won't be able
to
come, as that means one week in Croatia, then a week at the clave, then
she
will be going back to Congo and I'll have 2 more weeks with no place to
be.
Even for a low maintenance woman, that won't go over well...

--riverman


I think we just set a date for the clave.
Now, if I just could decide where this clave will be at.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

$300 includes cabin and helicopter flight to it? just for the sake of
satisfying the curious and undecided, other than the cost of getting to
umea, what would the estimate be for other expenses - fishing license,
food, drinks, misc. needs of a stranger in a strange land?

jeff

Roger Ohlund wrote:

The heli flight was included. But you're correct, one needs to get here
also.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:wl3ub.26220$HD3.24391@lakeread06...
$300 includes cabin and helicopter flight to it? just for the sake of
satisfying the curious and undecided, other than the cost of getting to
umea, what would the estimate be for other expenses - fishing license,
food, drinks, misc. needs of a stranger in a strange land?


Jeff,

Heli lift with 4 persons in the chopter is about US$ 215 per person.
The cabin would be about US$ 85 if we split it on 10 people. I'm saying that
each should share the cost even if there's only 5 beds. The sauna, cooking
and washing would make it worth the extra money even if you'd be one of
those living in a tent.
Food for one person during a week, would be about another US$ 100.
Since we would split gas money driving up from Umea you would end up with
another US$ 40 per person.
The fishing permit is at US$ 40 per person.

Sum total US$ 480 (+/- 10%) would be a good guess.

Now then add another US$ 300 for that 20 year old bottle of whiskey that you
will offer he clavemeister ;-) and there you have it.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:wl3ub.26220$HD3.24391@lakeread06...
$300 includes cabin and helicopter flight to it? just for the sake of
satisfying the curious and undecided, other than the cost of getting to
umea, what would the estimate be for other expenses - fishing license,
food, drinks, misc. needs of a stranger in a strange land?


Jeff,

Heli lift with 4 persons in the chopter is about US$ 215 per person.
The cabin would be about US$ 85 if we split it on 10 people. I'm saying
that
each should share the cost even if there's only 5 beds. The sauna, cooking
and washing would make it worth the extra money even if you'd be one of
those living in a tent.
Food for one person during a week, would be about another US$ 100.
Since we would split gas money driving up from Umea you would end up with
another US$ 40 per person.
The fishing permit is at US$ 40 per person.

Sum total US$ 480 (+/- 10%) would be a good guess.

Now then add another US$ 300 for that 20 year old bottle of whiskey that
you
will offer he clavemeister ;-) and there you have it.


Don't forget the Poker money!! Otherwise, how could I pay for the heli
ride??

(Speaking of heli rides.....$215 per person, four people...thats $860 for a
15 minute lift?? Wow, I know it beats a 2 day walk-in, but holy cow;
helicopters cost $3500 an HOUR?? In the states, you can rent a helicopter
(with pilot) for about $500 per hour. That seems rather steep.)

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...


(Speaking of heli rides.....$215 per person, four people...thats $860 for
a
15 minute lift?? Wow, I know it beats a 2 day walk-in, but holy cow;
helicopters cost $3500 an HOUR?? In the states, you can rent a helicopter
(with pilot) for about $500 per hour. That seems rather steep.)



Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much lower
cost!

OsmoJ

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:wl3ub.26220$HD3.24391@lakeread06...
$300 includes cabin and helicopter flight to it? just for the sake of
satisfying the curious and undecided, other than the cost of getting
to
umea, what would the estimate be for other expenses - fishing license,
food, drinks, misc. needs of a stranger in a strange land?


Jeff,

Heli lift with 4 persons in the chopter is about US$ 215 per person.
The cabin would be about US$ 85 if we split it on 10 people. I'm saying
that
each should share the cost even if there's only 5 beds. The sauna,
cooking
and washing would make it worth the extra money even if you'd be one of
those living in a tent.
Food for one person during a week, would be about another US$ 100.
Since we would split gas money driving up from Umea you would end up
with
another US$ 40 per person.
The fishing permit is at US$ 40 per person.

Sum total US$ 480 (+/- 10%) would be a good guess.

Now then add another US$ 300 for that 20 year old bottle of whiskey that
you
will offer he clavemeister ;-) and there you have it.


Don't forget the Poker money!! Otherwise, how could I pay for the heli
ride??

(Speaking of heli rides.....$215 per person, four people...thats $860 for
a
15 minute lift?? Wow, I know it beats a 2 day walk-in, but holy cow;
helicopters cost $3500 an HOUR?? In the states, you can rent a helicopter
(with pilot) for about $500 per hour. That seems rather steep.)


Actually this would be more like a 20 minute ride. And yes I might have set
the price somewhat high but rather that than too low and you guys ending up
dissapointed.
Last time we flew 3 persons for 15 minutes and paid US$ 170 per person. I
know it should be cheaper to fly four in one ride. On the other hand the
weight is more.
Also the dollar has lost so much against the crown that the last time we
flew was with that occasion's exchange rate around US$ 140.

/Roger

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...

(Speaking of heli rides.....$215 per person, four people...thats $860
for
a
15 minute lift?? Wow, I know it beats a 2 day walk-in, but holy cow;
helicopters cost $3500 an HOUR?? In the states, you can rent a
helicopter
(with pilot) for about $500 per hour. That seems rather steep.)


Actually this would be more like a 20 minute ride. And yes I might have
set
the price somewhat high but rather that than too low and you guys ending
up
dissapointed.
Last time we flew 3 persons for 15 minutes and paid US$ 170 per person. I
know it should be cheaper to fly four in one ride. On the other hand the
weight is more.
Also the dollar has lost so much against the crown that the last time we
flew was with that occasion's exchange rate around US$ 140.

/

Wow. Still, how do they bill: by the hour, the passenger, the time, the
weight, some mystery formula? I agree that quoting high is better than low,
and I'm prepared to pay $215 for the ride; hell, with what I've already paid
for my gear, travel costs, flies, accomodation etc, that doesn't even change
my career cost-per-fish ratio.

--riverman

Lapland Clave 2004
 

Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much lower
cost!

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
--
Frank Reid
Reverse email to reply

Lapland Clave 2004
 

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
Frank Reid

Aeroplop?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Lapland Clave 2004
 

riverman Wow. Still, how do they bill: by the hour, the passenger,
riverman the time, the weight, some mystery formula?

Billing might differ depending on the helicopter company, but the
company I've used has different rates for different locations, and the
billing was per person. I think the last time the bill for one person
was something like $300 for a turn-and-return flight that took 45
minutes in one direction. So that would be $200 per hour per person.

When I told this rate to a guide in Canada, he actually thought that
the rate in Sweden was pretty inexpensive.

The good thing about billing per person is that you don't have to
worry about drop-outs. They are a real problem when you have a larger
party.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Spam countermeasures included. Drop your brain when replying, or just
use .

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...
Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much
lower
cost!

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
--

Some degree of excitement included in the fee :-)

OsmoJ

Lapland Clave 2004
 

Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...

Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much

lower

cost!

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
--


Some degree of excitement included in the fee :-)

OsmoJ


I flew Aeroflot to Moldova a couple of years back. Triple surprise in
that flight.. they got it in the air, kept it there, and the old tupulev
landed in one piece.

--
Herman

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...
Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...

Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much

lower

cost!

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
--


Some degree of excitement included in the fee :-)

OsmoJ


I flew Aeroflot to Moldova a couple of years back. Triple surprise in
that flight.. they got it in the air, kept it there, and the old tupulev
landed in one piece.



I flew Areoflot from Riga to Moscow a few years back. Not only did the plane
arrive safely, but it was quite nice inside (much better than the HewaBora
flights we take around Congo), and the stewardesses were these stunning
russian beauties in miniskirts...

--riverman

Lapland Clave 2004
 

riverman wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:


"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...


Yes, and in Russia the helicopter takes in 20-25 persons and at much

lower


cost!

Unfortunately, Aeroflot is apt to be a half-way trip.
--


Some degree of excitement included in the fee :-)

OsmoJ


I flew Aeroflot to Moldova a couple of years back. Triple surprise in
that flight.. they got it in the air, kept it there, and the old tupulev
landed in one piece.




I flew Areoflot from Riga to Moscow a few years back. Not only did the plane
arrive safely, but it was quite nice inside (much better than the HewaBora
flights we take around Congo), and the stewardesses were these stunning
russian beauties in miniskirts...

--riverman


You lucky ******* :-)
Something else - could you mail me you e-mail address? A friend of mine
is planning a trip to Estonia, and would be grateful for some pointers.

--
Herman

Lapland Clave 2004
 

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:


I flew Areoflot from Riga to Moscow a few years back. Not only did the
plane
arrive safely, but it was quite nice inside (much better than the
HewaBora
flights we take around Congo), and the stewardesses were these stunning
russian beauties in miniskirts...

--riverman


You lucky ******* :-)
Something else - could you mail me you e-mail address? A friend of mine
is planning a trip to Estonia, and would be grateful for some pointers.



Sure, its no secret. myronbuck-at-yeehah.com But you know what yeehah
stands for....

Estonia, eh? Don't know a lot about it, except that its beautiful, there are
many trout and salmon streams, and you can get horrendously seasick on the
ferry unless you drink a lot of vodka.

--riverman