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BJ Conner November 18th, 2003 08:53 PM

Lost you FlyRod to the airlines??
 
These guys have found it and will sell it back to you.


http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/lets...nter=1 1&cat=

Or look at http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/ and search sporting goods
for 9 wt 9' scott& scott

Frank Reid November 18th, 2003 09:02 PM

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Or look at http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/ and search sporting goods
for 9 wt 9' scott& scott


Or even "Thomas & Thomas"

--
Frank Reid
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Tim J. November 18th, 2003 09:19 PM

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"BJ Conner" wrote in message
om...
These guys have found it and will sell it back to you.



http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/lets...nter=1 1&cat=

Also looks like some cycling team is riding around without their shorts!
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Charlie Choc November 18th, 2003 11:13 PM

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:19:21 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

Also looks like some cycling team is riding around without their shorts!


You may want to avoid buying used bicycle seats on eBay for a while.
g
--
Charlie...

Joe McIntosh November 19th, 2003 12:02 AM

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"Charlie Choc"
wrote:


Also looks like some cycling team is riding around without their shorts!


You may want to avoid buying used bicycle seats on eBay for a while.
g
--
Charlie...

IJ rejoins
Charlie for a young man your age you sure do have a dirty mind.--hope you
are doing well---went out in my neighbors Regulator yesterday [ don't know
how long but it is set up for fly fishing] thought we were going to play
around behind Figure Eight Island but water was so flat he took off for a
rocky bottom in ocean five miles out. It was 50 food deep and he said it was
the old coastline so we used his salt water spinning gear begin catching
lots of sea bass about two pounds I guess.
We saw one school of albie raise and I was dreading cleaning the bass
so I just fooled around with a clouser on a 8wt flyrod. Nothing--added a
little weight and let it sink and hooked a 30 inch sandshark---- just like
the movies !!!! it jumped-ran off etc--Harold had a floro carbon leader on
the line but after a few minutes we got him close and when he saw boat he
broke off.
Not too good at cleaning fish but Dene and I enjoyed our sea bass chunks
sautéed in olive oil and lemon this evening.
Another hard day in the life of a retiree in old carolina --damm it was
warm today somewhere around 75 I guess







Charlie Choc November 19th, 2003 12:09 AM

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:02:38 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:
[snip]
Not too good at cleaning fish but Dene and I enjoyed our sea bass chunks
sautéed in olive oil and lemon this evening.
Another hard day in the life of a retiree in old carolina --damm it was
warm today somewhere around 75 I guess

Sounds like a time all right, Joe. I had a lemon shark on a fly
earlier this year while I was wading in the Keys and it broke off when
I got it close too (which was exactly what I wanted g). Going back
the week before Xmas and try my luck wading the flats again.
--
Charlie...

rw November 19th, 2003 12:52 AM

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Charlie Choc wrote:

Sounds like a time all right, Joe. I had a lemon shark on a fly
earlier this year while I was wading in the Keys and it broke off when
I got it close too (which was exactly what I wanted g).


Check out this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/Surfs_Up.jpg

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Frank Reid November 19th, 2003 03:25 AM

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Check out this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/Surfs_Up.jpg


So, the materials list for this fly includes neoprene, fiberglass and foam?

--
Frank Reid
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rw November 19th, 2003 03:29 AM

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Frank Reid wrote:
Check out this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/Surfs_Up.jpg



So, the materials list for this fly includes neoprene, fiberglass and foam?


And a 100wt rod.

--
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rw November 19th, 2003 05:57 AM

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Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:52:36 GMT, rw
wrote:


Check out this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/Surfs_Up.jpg




Provided that the photo is legitimate, sea kayakers say
that the "shark" is actually a dolphin.


Some do, but some others don't. In any case, it's a ****ing amazing photo.

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daytripper November 19th, 2003 07:07 AM

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:57:11 GMT, rw wrote:

Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:52:36 GMT, rw
wrote:


Check out this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/Surfs_Up.jpg




Provided that the photo is legitimate, sea kayakers say
that the "shark" is actually a dolphin.


Some do, but some others don't. In any case, it's a ****ing amazing photo.


I'd have shat my wetsuit either way...

/daytripper (even if that was, say, a gigantic kipper snack ;-)

Wolfgang November 19th, 2003 12:09 PM

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"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...

Check out this photo:.....


Interesting photo. Copyrighted, too, I see. Was that used with prior
permission?

Wolfgang



rb608 November 19th, 2003 02:00 PM

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
Interesting photo. Copyrighted, too, I see. Was that used with prior
permission?


I was actually giving rw points for leaving the copyright info intact. Most
versions I've seen have that cropped or edited off, including the photo on
the Urban Legends reference page (http://www.snopes.com/photos/surfer.asp).

Consensus seems to be it was a bottlenose dolphin, though the logic on the
UL page is a bit short of conclusive.

Joe F.



slenon November 19th, 2003 02:38 PM

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About every other trip out, I'm treated to a pair of porpoises swimming by
at close range. Last time, they passed by within ten feet of me as I stood
about mid-thigh deep. Beautiful to see and I have to wonder at their
repeated appearances. However, once they appear, the chance of hooking
anything is blown for quite a while.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




riverman November 20th, 2003 08:40 AM

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"rb608" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
Interesting photo. Copyrighted, too, I see. Was that used with prior
permission?


I was actually giving rw points for leaving the copyright info intact.

Most
versions I've seen have that cropped or edited off, including the photo on
the Urban Legends reference page

(http://www.snopes.com/photos/surfer.asp).


Giving points is nice, but Wolfie's insinuation is correct. Including the
copyright isn't enough, even if the picture is posted on other sites (its
probably posted there illegally.) You need explicit permission from the
copyright holder to use the image, or even to link to it on another (even
illegal) site. Here is a readable site about copyright law:
http://www.education-world.com/a_curr/curr280a.shtml.

Since the photographer is selling copies of the image, my guess is that he
wouldn't give permission for it to be used on rw's webpage. I'm not gonna
tell or anything g, but your response showed a common misconception about
copyright law.

--riverman



rb608 November 20th, 2003 02:03 PM

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"riverman" wrote in message
Since the photographer is selling copies of the image, my guess is that he
wouldn't give permission for it to be used on rw's webpage. I'm not gonna
tell or anything g, but your response showed a common misconception

about
copyright law.


Actually, I knew that it is incorrect to use the image w/out permission (I
buy a lot of images in my job); I only meant that Steve had at least
acknolwedged who he stole it from. g

Joe F.



Wolfgang November 20th, 2003 02:07 PM

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"rb608" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
Since the photographer is selling copies of the image, my guess is

that he
wouldn't give permission for it to be used on rw's webpage. I'm

not gonna
tell or anything g, but your response showed a common

misconception
about
copyright law.


Actually, I knew that it is incorrect to use the image w/out

permission (I
buy a lot of images in my job); I only meant that Steve had at least
acknolwedged who he stole it from. g

Joe F.


FWIW, I interpreted your message the same way you did.......and what
are the odds that we're BOTH wrong? :)

Wolfgang



riverman November 20th, 2003 02:19 PM

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"rb608" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
Since the photographer is selling copies of the image, my guess is

that he
wouldn't give permission for it to be used on rw's webpage. I'm

not gonna
tell or anything g, but your response showed a common

misconception
about
copyright law.


Actually, I knew that it is incorrect to use the image w/out

permission (I
buy a lot of images in my job); I only meant that Steve had at least
acknolwedged who he stole it from. g

Joe F.


FWIW, I interpreted your message the same way you did.......and what
are the odds that we're BOTH wrong? :)



Probably much higher than either of us is willing to admit.

--riverman
(unless, of course, I'm wrong....)



Wolfgang November 20th, 2003 02:38 PM

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"rb608" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
Since the photographer is selling copies of the image, my

guess is
that he
wouldn't give permission for it to be used on rw's webpage.

I'm
not gonna
tell or anything g, but your response showed a common

misconception
about
copyright law.

Actually, I knew that it is incorrect to use the image w/out

permission (I
buy a lot of images in my job); I only meant that Steve had at

least
acknolwedged who he stole it from. g

Joe F.


FWIW, I interpreted your message the same way you did.......and

what
are the odds that we're BOTH wrong? :)



Probably much higher than either of us is willing to admit.


Hm......actually, I was responding to Joe, so........

--riverman
(unless, of course, I'm wrong....)


could be.

Wolfgang



Jonathan Cook November 20th, 2003 03:13 PM

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"riverman" wrote in message ...

probably posted there illegally.) You need explicit permission from the
copyright holder to use the image, or even to link to it on another (even


I found it interesting that the UL site (which seems to have copied and
cropped the original) actually included a link to the photographer's site
that says on its front page:

"All photos are property of and Registered Copyright of Kurt Jones.
Use of any image including downloading, copying, or manipulating is
PROHIBITED !! Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of
the law."

Maybe they obtained permission but I doubt it...anyways the photographer
himself has the full explanation at:

http://www.surfshooter.com/DolphinInfo.html

Jon.

Stan Gula November 20th, 2003 03:37 PM

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
m...
"All photos are property of and Registered Copyright of Kurt Jones.
Use of any image including downloading, copying, or manipulating is
PROHIBITED !! Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of
the law."


That's pretty funny if you consider that if you can't download it, how the
hell does anybody manage to view it. Oh, the wacky world of legalspeak.



JR November 20th, 2003 04:38 PM

Lost you FlyRod to the airlines??
 
Stan Gula wrote:

"Jonathan Cook" wrote


"All photos are property of and Registered Copyright of Kurt Jones.
Use of any image including downloading, copying, or manipulating is
PROHIBITED !! Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of
the law."


That's pretty funny if you consider that if you can't download it, how the
hell does anybody manage to view it. Oh, the wacky world of legalspeak.


And on the page with the photo itself,

http://www.surfshooter.com/DolphinInfo.html

the photographers says

"Contact me for information regarding print sales ONLY !!!" (caps and
exclamations his).

I imagine at some point a freelance photographer, if his copyright and a
link to his web site is included on posts of his photos to the internet,
has to balance the advantage of all the free publicity on one hand with
the hassle of trying to prosecute a gazillion RWs on the other.

Jonathan Cook November 20th, 2003 10:45 PM

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"Stan Gula" wrote in message . ..

That's pretty funny if you consider that if you can't download it, how the
hell does anybody manage to view it. Oh, the wacky world of legalspeak.


Maybe wayno wrote it...

Jon (actually, I'd guess he wrote it himself)
PS: I think rw has been reading this thread.

rw November 20th, 2003 11:02 PM

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Jonathan Cook wrote:

PS: I think rw has been reading this thread.


No, I'm not. :-)

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Wayne Harrison November 21st, 2003 12:06 AM

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"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Jonathan Cook wrote:

PS: I think rw has been reading this thread.


No, I'm not. :-)


hilarious. and *very* revealing....

wayno



Sierra fisher November 21st, 2003 03:46 PM

Lost you FlyRod to the airlines??
 
Insurance for lost luggage??

I was traveling with a lot of fishing gear assuming that my household
insurance would cover any loss. At a freinds suggestion I called my
insurance comany to check on my coverage. I was informed that if my
luggage was "stolen", I had unlimited coverage. If it was "LOST", I had
none. They will not advised me of the difference between lost and stolen,
except to hint that if I lost a bag, to file a police report. Most
insurance companies have this distinction
My company, Farmers, will not sell me a rider to cover lost luggage. some
companies will.
Some credit cards will give you up to $3000 coverage for lost luggage if you
purchase your tickets on their cards. American Express has a card that will
give you $2000 on carried luggage and $1000 on checked luggage. Fleet Bank
will give you $3000 on checked luggage, but excludes many items like
sporting goods. CitiBanki has a few cards that give $3000 on checked
luggage but the cards are hard to identify. One is the the higher grade
ATT&T cards administered by CitiBank. Another is the CitiYou cards that
have recently been discontinued.
If you travel a lot with a lot of gear, it may pay you to do some research.


"BJ Conner" wrote in message
om...
These guys have found it and will sell it back to you.



http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/lets...nter=1 1&cat=

Or look at http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/ and search sporting goods
for 9 wt 9' scott& scott



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riverman November 21st, 2003 04:07 PM

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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...
Insurance for lost luggage??

I was traveling with a lot of fishing gear assuming that my household
insurance would cover any loss. At a freinds suggestion I called my
insurance comany to check on my coverage. I was informed that if my
luggage was "stolen", I had unlimited coverage. If it was "LOST", I had
none. They will not advised me of the difference between lost and stolen,
except to hint that if I lost a bag, to file a police report. Most
insurance companies have this distinction
My company, Farmers, will not sell me a rider to cover lost luggage. some
companies will.
Some credit cards will give you up to $3000 coverage for lost luggage if

you
purchase your tickets on their cards. American Express has a card that

will
give you $2000 on carried luggage and $1000 on checked luggage. Fleet

Bank
will give you $3000 on checked luggage, but excludes many items like
sporting goods. CitiBanki has a few cards that give $3000 on checked
luggage but the cards are hard to identify. One is the the higher grade
ATT&T cards administered by CitiBank. Another is the CitiYou cards that
have recently been discontinued.
If you travel a lot with a lot of gear, it may pay you to do some

research.


Hmmm, Farmer's is my agent, too. When Northwest Airlines lost an 85 lb bag
(I'll tell the story below), I asked my agent if it was covered, and he said
'no', but it would be if I changed my homeowner's policy to cover the loss
of anything worldwide, not just from my property. So I changed my policy, my
premiums went up something like $20 per year, and now he assures me that
lost luggage will be covered. The litmus test, he said, was that the bag
was in my control when it disappeared, as much as possible. When the
airlines check a bag, thats considered 'in my control', so losing it is
considered a covered loss. I hope not to have to test this.

The short story: I had gone back to the US, emptied out my storage shed of
all my junk and treasures, and sold off everything that was clutter. I took
all the priceless remaining heirlooms (pictures, documents, etc) and packed
them into a brand new $250 LL Bean duffel, and checked onto a NorthWest
airlines flight from Boston-Detroit-Amsterdam-Tel Aviv. The bag weighed 40
kilos, had everything of irreplaceable or sentimental value in it of my
previous life, and it never arrived. I filed a claim with NWA, who assured
me that it would arrive the next morning. But the next morning, they went on
strike (this was back in 1996), and I was unable to get assistance from
anyone for 6 weeks. I spent over $300 calling airports worldwide trying to
get someone to look for it. By the time NWA got back in business, my bag was
long gone. They settled for their advertised reimbursement of '$9 per
pound', which barely covered the cost of the bag and the phone calls.
Personally, I seethe every time I see those "lost luggage auction" sites.

--riverman



Sierra fisher November 21st, 2003 08:17 PM

Lost you FlyRod to the airlines??
 
I have a similar clasue in my policy, but it lists the perils that they will
pay for. One of the perils is theft. They do not list "loss of use by
mistake or misdiretion". My understaning is that the disappearance of your
bag after it is checked does not necessarily constitute theft. Did your
agent put his interpretation into writing?

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...
Insurance for lost luggage??

I was traveling with a lot of fishing gear assuming that my household
insurance would cover any loss. At a freinds suggestion I called my
insurance comany to check on my coverage. I was informed that if my
luggage was "stolen", I had unlimited coverage. If it was "LOST", I had
none. They will not advised me of the difference between lost and

stolen,
except to hint that if I lost a bag, to file a police report. Most
insurance companies have this distinction
My company, Farmers, will not sell me a rider to cover lost luggage.

some
companies will.
Some credit cards will give you up to $3000 coverage for lost luggage if

you
purchase your tickets on their cards. American Express has a card that

will
give you $2000 on carried luggage and $1000 on checked luggage. Fleet

Bank
will give you $3000 on checked luggage, but excludes many items like
sporting goods. CitiBanki has a few cards that give $3000 on checked
luggage but the cards are hard to identify. One is the the higher grade
ATT&T cards administered by CitiBank. Another is the CitiYou cards that
have recently been discontinued.
If you travel a lot with a lot of gear, it may pay you to do some

research.


Hmmm, Farmer's is my agent, too. When Northwest Airlines lost an 85 lb bag
(I'll tell the story below), I asked my agent if it was covered, and he

said
'no', but it would be if I changed my homeowner's policy to cover the loss
of anything worldwide, not just from my property. So I changed my policy,

my
premiums went up something like $20 per year, and now he assures me that
lost luggage will be covered. The litmus test, he said, was that the bag
was in my control when it disappeared, as much as possible. When the
airlines check a bag, thats considered 'in my control', so losing it is
considered a covered loss. I hope not to have to test this.

The short story: I had gone back to the US, emptied out my storage shed of
all my junk and treasures, and sold off everything that was clutter. I

took
all the priceless remaining heirlooms (pictures, documents, etc) and

packed
them into a brand new $250 LL Bean duffel, and checked onto a NorthWest
airlines flight from Boston-Detroit-Amsterdam-Tel Aviv. The bag weighed 40
kilos, had everything of irreplaceable or sentimental value in it of my
previous life, and it never arrived. I filed a claim with NWA, who assured
me that it would arrive the next morning. But the next morning, they went

on
strike (this was back in 1996), and I was unable to get assistance from
anyone for 6 weeks. I spent over $300 calling airports worldwide trying to
get someone to look for it. By the time NWA got back in business, my bag

was
long gone. They settled for their advertised reimbursement of '$9 per
pound', which barely covered the cost of the bag and the phone calls.
Personally, I seethe every time I see those "lost luggage auction"

sites.

--riverman




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riverman November 22nd, 2003 02:55 PM

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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...
I have a similar clasue in my policy, but it lists the perils that they

will
pay for. One of the perils is theft. They do not list "loss of use by
mistake or misdiretion". My understaning is that the disappearance of

your
bag after it is checked does not necessarily constitute theft. Did your
agent put his interpretation into writing?



No, and now that you mention it, I'm going to go back and read the fine
print. Coverage from being lost by the airlines is one thing I wanted to
have covered, specifically. However, I do know from recent experience that
they will cover the loss of fly gear stolen out of the trunk of a rental
car.

--riverman
(Thank you, Farmers!!)



Sierra fisher November 22nd, 2003 03:40 PM

Lost you FlyRod to the airlines??
 
At first, my new agent said that you always have coverage equal to 10% of
your personal property value for loss by misdirection, etc.. After bugging
her, she is now not sure about a loss where there is not evidence of theft.
I believe that a lot of these agents don't know what they are offering. I
am also pressing her about a rider for "loss". She came up with one
called" Inland and Marine" but it was $250 per year. A friend of mine who
has a different insurance carrier was able to get a rider for just a few
bucks.



"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...
I have a similar clasue in my policy, but it lists the perils that they

will
pay for. One of the perils is theft. They do not list "loss of use by
mistake or misdiretion". My understaning is that the disappearance of

your
bag after it is checked does not necessarily constitute theft. Did your
agent put his interpretation into writing?



No, and now that you mention it, I'm going to go back and read the fine
print. Coverage from being lost by the airlines is one thing I wanted to
have covered, specifically. However, I do know from recent experience that
they will cover the loss of fly gear stolen out of the trunk of a rental
car.

--riverman
(Thank you, Farmers!!)




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Willi November 23rd, 2003 06:26 PM

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Wayne Harrison wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...

Jonathan Cook wrote:


PS: I think rw has been reading this thread.


No, I'm not. :-)



hilarious. and *very* revealing....



Not only is Steve hanging on every word in order to get some idea of how
to avoid prosecution, but he's pretending to not be in Stanley in order
to evade the long strong arm of dreaded net police.

Willi










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