Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:15:26 -0800 (PST), BJ Conner
wrote:

It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es

And is doesn't supprize sic me either that you would blame this on
Cheny sic and Bush.

Have another drink, BJ.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

BJ Conner wrote:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 27, 1:47*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:15:26 -0800 (PST), BJ Conner

wrote:
It doen't supprize me, *Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es

And is doesn't supprize sic me either that you would blame this on
Cheny sic and Bush.

Have another drink, BJ. *

Cabels hosted dozens of "Town Hall" meetings for Cheney. If you
signed an affidavit that you were a loyal republican you could go.
I am not drinking anything. Keep drinking that cool-aid Dave,
ignorance is still their biggest ally,

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:25:01 -0800 (PST), BJ Conner
wrote:

Cabels hosted dozens of "Town Hall" meetings for Cheney. If you
signed an affidavit that you were a loyal republican you could go.
I am not drinking anything. Keep drinking that cool-aid Dave,
ignorance is still their biggest ally,

Cabels sic probably did, but I'm betting they also gave to the Dems.
It's you that keeps drinking the cool-aid sic.

Two more drinks, BJ, ought to put you in lala land for the evening.

d;o)

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

"rw" wrote

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

I Googled around and found nothing on this. Do you have a link to a story?
This is interesting to me, as a Cabela's opened down the road from me just
bit ago.

-Dan

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

I Googled around and found nothing on this. Do you have a link to a story?
This is interesting to me, as a Cabela's opened down the road from me just
bit ago.

The only thing I could find was this:
http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/G....asp?S=7774369
Seems that Cabelas is collecting sales tax on items sold to Idaho
residents that were purchased online. No big deal, since Cabelas has
a store here in Nebraska, they do the same.
Frank Reid

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Cabelas do not pay taxes anywhere they set up a store, just check the
internet on this. They feel the jobs they bring to the store and the
state taxes from sales is worth more to the state than the state income
tax. After all aren't all large corporations exempt from state taxes in
this country? Here in MA, all of the largest corporations only paid the
minimum tax in the state. It's normal business practice, look at the
incentive of a tax rebate from the feds, the middle income (under
$60,000 single and $120 married) will be getting $600. Do you think the
corporations are only going to get the same ratio? Face it, this is
life in America no matter who's in power.



In article , rw
wrote:

BJ Conner wrote:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Here's just one of the links of tax dealings with the state of CT,
Cabela's gets a 7-year tax break worth approximately $6.7 million,

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...2&PAG=461&dept
_id=10299&rfi=6

It's happended everywhere that they open a store.



In article
,
Frank Reid wrote:

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

I Googled around and found nothing on this. Do you have a link to a story?
This is interesting to me, as a Cabela's opened down the road from me just
bit ago.

The only thing I could find was this:
http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/G....asp?S=7774369
Seems that Cabelas is collecting sales tax on items sold to Idaho
residents that were purchased online. No big deal, since Cabelas has
a store here in Nebraska, they do the same.
Frank Reid

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On 27-Jan-2008, Big Kahuna wrote:

They feel the jobs they bring to the store and the
state taxes from sales is worth more to the state than the state income
tax. After all aren't all large corporations exempt from state taxes in
this country? Here in MA, all of the largest corporations only paid the
minimum tax in the state. It's normal business practice, look at the
incentive of a tax rebate from the feds, the middle income (under
$60,000 single and $120 married) will be getting $600. Do you think the
corporations are only going to get the same ratio? Face it, this is
life in America no matter who's in power.



In article , rw
wrote:

BJ Conner wrote:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

****em!
I never liked their qualty too much anyway
It doesn't surprise me to find more corpaorarte scumbags asupporting the
reprotes in office in prsuit of lining their pockets while screwing over the
people and our environment,

And I do not think it matters what one drinks to be lucid enopugh to see
that!

Fred

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On 27-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

And is doesn't supprize sic me either that you would blame this on
Cheny sic and Bush.

Have another drink, BJ.

There is qiuite a lot to blame Cheney and Bush for - why not this?

Dave - Why are you always accusing prople who see things quite differently
than you of being drunk or high.
What you really need Dave - is a few joints & a bottle of Langevulin (sic)
on your next fishing trip.

Fred

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Big Kahuna wrote:
Here's just one of the links of tax dealings with the state of CT,
Cabela's gets a 7-year tax break worth approximately $6.7 million,

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...2&PAG=461&dept
_id=10299&rfi=6

It's happended everywhere that they open a store.

What kind of tax break does the guy who has run the fly shop across the
street for 30 years get? He'll have to compete with his son for a
minimum-wage job at Walmart after Cabelas drives him out of business.

BTW, it's an ironic fact that George W. Bush made his money due to a tax
increase. He and his backers (Bush was only the political front man)
arranged for a special election to raise the sales tax to finance a new
stadium for the Texas Rangers. The county used eminent domain to buy
private land at below-market prices, built the stadium, and then sold it
to Bush and his buddies for much less than it was worth.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

wrote in message
...

On 27-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

And is doesn't supprize sic me either that you would blame this on
Cheny sic and Bush.

Have another drink, BJ.

There is qiuite a lot to blame Cheney and Bush for - why not this?

Dave - Why are you always accusing prople who see things quite differently
than you of being drunk or high.
What you really need Dave - is a few joints & a bottle of Langevulin
(sic)
on your next fishing trip.

Fred

....can do...chile anyone?

john

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

"Daniel-San" wrote in message
...

"rw" wrote

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

I Googled around and found nothing on this. Do you have a link to a story?
This is interesting to me, as a Cabela's opened down the road from me just
bit ago.

-Dan

"Cabela's founders are big fans of the president, too. Dick and Mary Cabela,
the husband and wife who launched the business in 1961 by selling handmade
fishing flies through the local classifieds, have maxed out as donors to
President Bush's 2004 campaign and given thousands of dollars more to other
Republican candidates and organizations. Arterburn insists the donations
have nothing to do with the decision to host President Bush and Vice
President Cheney." http://www.slate.com/id/2106735/


http://www.boston.com/business/artic...bang_for_buck/

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/n...&search=Search

Op

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On Jan 28, 3:03 am, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

"Cabela's founders are big fans of the president, too. Dick and Mary Cabela,
the husband and wife who launched the business in 1961 by selling handmade
fishing flies through the local classifieds, have maxed out as donors to
President Bush's 2004 campaign and given thousands of dollars more to other
Republican candidates and organizations.

.....such a shame. Shopping at Cabela's was so convenient.
And now I'll spend another nickel there.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 28, 5:47 am, while-one wrote:

....such a shame. Shopping at Cabela's was so convenient.
And now I'll spend another nickel there.

oops. 'never spend another nickel there'

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:52:42 GMT, wrote:

Dave - Why are you always accusing prople who see things quite differently
than you of being drunk or high.

Because BJ *IS* drunk. He has a problem. I am not the only one who
has noticed it over the years. Some of his posts are inchoherent
jibberish with mostly misspelled words, terrible grammar, and the
worst hack job of typing I have ever seen.

What you really need Dave - is a few joints & a bottle of Langevulin (sic)
on your next fishing trip.

I'm a McCallan single malt guy, 17 yo, please. And, yes, I have it on
every trip I make. If you are hosting a clave, I may even show up
with a bottle for you. (I gave wayno a bottle of Lagavulin as a gift
for hosting roff's first clave. Ask him what he thinks of it.) Pot
is for folks that need to escape. I don't need to escape.

Only assholes drink Lagavulin or Laphroaig. Right, Forty? d;o)

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:47:07 -0800 (PST), while-one
wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:03 am, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

"Cabela's founders are big fans of the president, too. Dick and Mary Cabela,
the husband and wife who launched the business in 1961 by selling handmade
fishing flies through the local classifieds, have maxed out as donors to
President Bush's 2004 campaign and given thousands of dollars more to other
Republican candidates and organizations.

....such a shame. Shopping at Cabela's was so convenient.
And now I'll spend another nickel there.

Hmmm...maybe you could start doing business with some husband and wife
selling handmade flies through your local classifieds...well, at least
for a while, anyhoo...

How come it is that folks want to do business with the small local
businesses until they become really successful? I mean, if 14 people
all suddenly opened nice little shops in your town, would you begrudge
the 1 or 2 that were able to make a go of it by being better (or
smarter, faster, whatever) than the competition? I tend to do business
with who provides the most benefit to me as the customer and if my
choices are, for example, spending $5USD for product X at Pop's Corner
Grocery or $2.97 at Walmart, I'm saving _MY_ money and buying from
Walmart. Why should anyone feel guilty about that?

HTH,
R

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 28, 6:07 am, wrote:

How come it is that folks want to do business with the small local
businesses until they become really successful?

My sudden distaste for Cabelas has little to do with their success.
It was because of their success (they offered everything for sale
all in one place) I used to shop there.

I don't like what they've been doing with Ranches in Montana.
I don't like what I've heard about bullying local governments into
providing tax breaks not available to other smaller retailers.
I really don't like what I've heard about aggressive support
for Bush and Cheney. Last year, while driving to Chicago,
I went hundreds of miles out of my way in order to stop at
the Cabalas headquarters. It was fun--a little like a good-ol-boy
disneyland.

What I've learned since then now ends that relationship.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:47:07 -0800 (PST), while-one
wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:03 am, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

"Cabela's founders are big fans of the president, too. Dick and Mary
Cabela,
the husband and wife who launched the business in 1961 by selling
handmade
fishing flies through the local classifieds, have maxed out as donors to
President Bush's 2004 campaign and given thousands of dollars more to
other
Republican candidates and organizations.

....such a shame. Shopping at Cabela's was so convenient.
And now I'll spend another nickel there.

Hmmm...maybe you could start doing business with some husband and wife
selling handmade flies through your local classifieds...well, at least
for a while, anyhoo...

How come it is that folks want to do business with the small local
businesses until they become really successful? I mean, if 14 people
all suddenly opened nice little shops in your town, would you begrudge
the 1 or 2 that were able to make a go of it by being better (or
smarter, faster, whatever) than the competition? I tend to do business
with who provides the most benefit to me as the customer and if my
choices are, for example, spending $5USD for product X at Pop's Corner
Grocery or $2.97 at Walmart, I'm saving _MY_ money and buying from
Walmart. Why should anyone feel guilty about that?

Why should anyone feel guilty for deliberately misstating an issue that he
doesn't comprehend in the first place, huh? :)

Wolfgang

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
Only assholes drink Lagavulin or Laphroaig. Right, Forty? d;o)

Bite me, you retrograde, reactionary, right-wing, old pirate.

And you didn't bring *me* a bottle of scotch when I was the
Clavemeister, what's the deal with that ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:28:03 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

And you didn't bring *me* a bottle of scotch when I was the
Clavemeister, what's the deal with that ?

Wrong, Leapfrog breath. I brought you a bottle of Lagavulin. You
were too drunk most of the time to appreciate it. And if I remember
correctly, you also got wayno's bottole of Lagavulin from his clave.
Afterall, some people have good taste, whether they be lawyers or
whatever....
d;o)

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:41:40 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

You
were too drunk most of the time to appreciate it.

Hell, you were so drunk you threw the left over spaghetti into the
brook next to the cabin, and emptied the bacon grease outside the
kitchen door thereby ruining your chance of getting back your security
deposit. d;o)

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 27, 10:12 pm, Big Kahuna wrote:
Cabelas do not pay taxes anywhere they set up a store, just check the
internet on this. They feel the jobs they bring to the store and the
state taxes from sales is worth more to the state than the state income
tax. After all aren't all large corporations exempt from state taxes in
this country? Here in MA, all of the largest corporations only paid the
minimum tax in the state. It's normal business practice, look at the
incentive of a tax rebate from the feds, the middle income (under
$60,000 single and $120 married) will be getting $600. Do you think the
corporations are only going to get the same ratio? Face it, this is
life in America no matter who's in power.

In article , rw

wrote:
BJ Conner wrote:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Cabelas are evil *******s. They struck a deal with the corrupt
(Republican) politicians in Idaho to avoid paying the sales taxes they
should have been required to pay, and which their competitors pay.

I will never spend another dime in Cabelas.

Towns and counties love Cabela's. They don't just bring jobs and sales
tax for the store itself. The one in Hamburg, PA created its own
economy. In the three or four years since it opened, two new shopping
centers popped up (and they're always bustling when I go), Cabela's is
always packed and the interstate and intersecting roads had to get
upgraded. The number of jobs from the retail store is just a fraction
of what it creates. What was at one point just a hill and a fallow
field is now a mercantile center. From what I recall, the deal was
income tax breaks for a limited time, 10 years I think, for putting it
there (as opposed to some other hill next to I-78). Sales tax is not
exempt, and I don't think the adjacent shopping centers got the same
deal. I'm sure that with the influx of jobs and taxes, the little town
of Hamburg now has better municipal services than they've ever had.

I love it because on those frigid weekends when I can't take the baby
outside, we can go to Cabela's, get out of the cold while getting out
of the house and buy a few shotgun shells and a few fly hooks. The
place is kid-friendly (not as good as Ikea, but pretty good). The pool
with the little waterfall in the middle is good for 20 minutes of
wonder from the little guy, who's attention span is usually measured
in fractions of a minute.

Not that I'm absolving C of all their sins, corporate and other. The
spot they picked in Hamburg undoubtedly displaced a few pheasants in
the process, and I'm sure that they're doing some unpleasant things in
other places. I'd rather give my money to smaller stores, like the
local fly shop and the local gun shop, but what little fly shop has
space for a toddler to run? For Hamburg though, I really can't see a
downside.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

"Steve Cain" wrote in message
...

I love it because on those frigid weekends when I can't take the baby
outside, we can go to Cabela's, get out of the cold while getting out
of the house and buy a few shotgun shells and a few fly hooks. The
place is kid-friendly (not as good as Ikea, but pretty good).

I've been to Ikea's once, when they opened the new story in Palo Alto, CA
....thought we were at a daycare center.
-tom

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
You
were too drunk most of the time to appreciate it.

Hell, you were so drunk you threw the left over spaghetti into the
brook next to the cabin, and emptied the bacon grease outside the
kitchen door thereby ruining your chance of getting back your security
deposit. d;o)

Heh. That's not why I had to forfeit the security deposit. The
same old fool who did the above also destroyed the neighbor's
lawn with his big honkin' van and *that's* where the security
deposit went. Like I always say, the best thing about being a
Clavemeister is you *never* have to do it again. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 28, 10:18 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Steve Cain" wrote in message

...



I love it because on those frigid weekends when I can't take the baby
outside, we can go to Cabela's, get out of the cold while getting out
of the house and buy a few shotgun shells and a few fly hooks. The
place is kid-friendly (not as good as Ikea, but pretty good).

I've been to Ikea's once, when they opened the new story in Palo Alto, CA
...thought we were at a daycare center.
-tom


They have a mens' room, a ladies' room and and changing room, complete
with a Diaper Champ and a padded table. They even have a breastfeeding
room. Not just kids in the ball walk at the daycare center, but stuff
from birth up until they're embarrassed to be seen in public with
their parents. Yet again, when you've got to get out of the house and
out of the weather, they're a great spot. It doesn't hurt that the kid
loves meatballs. We walk him through, get him a meatball platter, buy
a couple of spatula and a stuffed animal, and count it a good day.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

"Steve Cain" wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 10:18 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Steve Cain" wrote in message

...



I love it because on those frigid weekends when I can't take the baby
outside, we can go to Cabela's, get out of the cold while getting out
of the house and buy a few shotgun shells and a few fly hooks. The
place is kid-friendly (not as good as Ikea, but pretty good).

I've been to Ikea's once, when they opened the new store in Palo Alto, CA
...thought we were at a daycare center.
-tom


They have a mens' room, a ladies' room and and changing room, complete
with a Diaper Champ and a padded table. They even have a breastfeeding
room. Not just kids in the ball walk at the daycare center, but stuff
from birth up until they're embarrassed to be seen in public with
their parents. Yet again, when you've got to get out of the house and
out of the weather, they're a great spot. It doesn't hurt that the kid
loves meatballs. We walk him through, get him a meatball platter, buy
a couple of spatula and a stuffed animal, and count it a good day.

I was just kiddin you Steve,
I think it's good Ikea made the place child-friendly.
Although we didn't eat there, the food court looked pretty nice.
-tom

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in

And if I remember
correctly, you also got wayno's bottole of Lagavulin from his clave.
Afterall, some people have good taste, whether they be lawyers or
whatever....
d;o)

that is the *second* worst tasting scotch on the planet. the worst, as
i discovered in my recent search for a decent "bar scotch", is "black &
white". it tastes like lagavulin that has been aged in old cans of motor
oil. i took one sip and dumped the entire bottle in my sink.

yfitons
wayno

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote:
And if I remember
correctly, you also got wayno's bottole of Lagavulin from his clave.

that is the *second* worst tasting scotch on the planet. ...

Which proves the old adage; you can take the taste buds out
of the peasant but you can't take the peasant out of the taste
buds. ;-)

Lagavulin and Laphroaig are Islay scotches and as such taste
of peat smoke, brine and iodine. Heaven to some of us and
almost universally despised by candy drinkers (and candy-assed
drinkers ;-).

--
Ken Fortenberry

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Steve Cain" wrote in message
...

I love it because on those frigid weekends when I can't take the baby
outside, we can go to Cabela's, get out of the cold while getting out
of the house and buy a few shotgun shells and a few fly hooks. The
place is kid-friendly (not as good as Ikea, but pretty good).


I've been to Ikea's once, when they opened the new story in Palo Alto, CA
....thought we were at a daycare center.
-tom



That store's actually in East Palo Alto, which is a considerably
different type of town. I'm not a fan of big-box stores in general, but
I think that shopping complex (Ikea's, Home Depot, etc.) supplied a lot
of employment for the largely poor black community of East Palo Alto.

The Home Depot parking lot is also the place of choice for finding cheap
illegal Mexican labor. (I don't, but a lot of contractors do.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
...

it tastes like lagavulin that has been aged in old cans of motor oil. i
took one sip and dumped the entire bottle in my sink.
yfitons
wayno

Geeze wayno,
They should have given the deposit back and additional $25.oo for
unclogging the sink.
-tom

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:20:19 -0800 (PST), while-one
wrote:

On Jan 28, 6:07 am, wrote:

How come it is that folks want to do business with the small local
businesses until they become really successful?

My sudden distaste for Cabelas has little to do with their success.
It was because of their success (they offered everything for sale
all in one place) I used to shop there.

I don't like what they've been doing with Ranches in Montana.
I don't like what I've heard about bullying local governments into
providing tax breaks not available to other smaller retailers.
I really don't like what I've heard about aggressive support
for Bush and Cheney. Last year, while driving to Chicago,
I went hundreds of miles out of my way in order to stop at
the Cabalas headquarters. It was fun--a little like a good-ol-boy
disneyland.

What I've learned since then now ends that relationship.

Hey, to each their own, but I guess I don't see the rationale in ending
what was a satisfactory relationship_for you_ based on what US political
candidate(s)/office holder(s) you _think_ the founder(s) and/or BOD
and/or management support at any given moment. I'd suspect that like
most sensible large corporations, "they" will support, at least in part,
whoever is in office at the moment. Plus, it's not as if they are
selling blood diamonds or Cuban cigars or French-from-France fries or
something...

HTH,
R
....plus, I'd offer that whoever some support at any given large company,
others at the same company will support someone else, so you're pretty
screwed if you're going to use such as criteria...

EAST P.A.
 

Larry L wrote:

That marsh was a favored place of mine. I owned a wonderful little
Golden, Jenny, and we'd walk and practice retrieving work there. One day
we came upon a family of Mallards. Momma duck quacked and played crippled,
babies dived and hid. Then we hid to see what happened and Mom quacked
her kid's back together. It had all been so cute I stood up to encourage
a repeat performance. Momma duck quacked and played crippled, babies
dived and a HUGE swirl erupted in the area. A couple of the babies
never returned this time :-( and I assume they were a meal for a big
Striper


I don't know what happened to your EPA marsh, but a considerable amount
of progress is being made in restoring the huge Cargill salt ponds
around the SF Bay to tidal marsh:

http://www.savesfbay.org/site/apps/n...OwEnH&b=675537

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

EAST P.A.
 

"rw" wrote

I don't know what happened to your EPA marsh, but a considerable amount of
progress is being made in restoring the huge Cargill salt ponds around the
SF Bay to tidal marsh:

http://www.savesfbay.org/site/apps/n...OwEnH&b=675537



Cool !

I've hunted ducks in the Chesapeake Bay, The San Francisco Bay, and many
many places in between. Some of the most amazing concentrations of
waterfowl I've seen where on the SF Bay and the salt ponds lining it.

I remember one day laying in my boat, surrounded by decoys, near where
Alviso Slough joins the bay proper. A huge, extremely noisy, jet took
off at Moffit ??? ( whatever that military airport is/ was ) and I set up
to see what kind of plane could make such a roar. It proved to be an
incredible flock of ducks and geese, disturbed by a boat so far away I had
to use binoulars to see the boat ... i.e. LOTS of ducks G



Iwas caught in a storm and came real close to dying from exposure out there
one time, too. Another strory for another day .... when I have use of BOTH
pecking fingers. It's difficult to understand just how remote it can be
out there, in Winter, just a few miles from a major population center.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

wrote

choices are, for example, spending $5USD for product X at Pop's Corner
Grocery or $2.97 at Walmart, I'm saving _MY_ money and buying from
Walmart. Why should anyone feel guilty about that?



As in most similar threads, my position is in the middle somewhere.

I buy ONE product from Cabela's and have been doing so for years, a Supplex
shirt that is great in hot weather, I own a bunch of 'em.

I have not found another such shirt that functions as well, let alone for
the price ( 1/3 the SIMMS or Patagonia efforts, for instance )

I don't feel 'guilty' for those purchases, ... however, if I find a
substitute at a more truly outdoorsman friendly outlet I WILL change in a
heartbeat


BUT

I avoid others at Cabela's made just to save a few cents. It has to do
with long term vs short term benefit. If I provide some of the money that
is used to lock me out of someplace in Montana, the "savings" is an
illusion, as real cost is measured not just in dollars. Same thing
applies to companies that support(ed) Bush and Thugs ... "save a few bucks,
help ruin the country for your kids," is not an intelligent buying decision.


Larry L

( who thinks that, at this point, still supporting Bush is clear proof of
weak-mindedness. In our culture, with all it's media, it would be nearly
impossible to still be that "ignorant" unless one simply lacked normal
abilities to learn.

It shouldn't surprise us that 30% of the people are way below average in
brain power, but I still find it hard to believe. )

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

BJ Conner typed:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Without comment, from that same article: "Last week, Cabela's Vice President
Mike Callahan, a former Montanan, showed up at the Montana Fish, Wildlife
and Parks Commission meeting with a $50,000 check and a pledge for another
$60,000 over five years to support the state's land-access programs.
Callahan said the company will change how it markets Montana. Under new
policies, Cabela's will not advertise the prospect of subdividing land in
Montana and will avoid undermining existing Block Management contracts, he
said. The sportsmen apparently were heard."
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

EAST P.A.
 

"Steve" wrote


Was that one of Val Walker's pups, Larry?



No, although I have owned a couple 'Trieven / Sungold pups, Golden and Lab
..... and to keep it "on topic" I've fished with Jay a couple times G

I keep threatening to visit them in Cody, to do so again.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:52:42 GMT, wrote:

.. (I gave wayno a bottle of Lagavulin as a gift
for hosting roff's first clave. Ask him what he thinks of it.) Pot
is for folks that need to escape. I don't need to escape.

Only assholes drink Lagavulin or Laphroaig. Right, Forty? d;o)



Dave you are absolutely right!

Take this morning for instance...I read my ROFF, my newspaper, did the
crossword and fooled around as long as I could. Brought out a doobie and
fired that mother up! Dusted, vacuumed, took the vacuum apart and cleaned
it good. Folded laundry, did the dishes and cleaned the kitchen floor.

It seemed like I was forever just picking up after people but I finally got
the house squared away. So I'll take a break and take the dog outside while
I pick up limbs and run the street litter route.

....now if I'd cracked a bottle or a couple of beers, I'd a sat on my but,
escaped all day and not got a damned thing done!
\
john

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:28:44 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

BJ Conner typed:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Without comment, from that same article: "Last week, Cabela's Vice President
Mike Callahan, a former Montanan, showed up at the Montana Fish, Wildlife
and Parks Commission meeting with a $50,000 check and a pledge for another
$60,000 over five years to support the state's land-access programs.
Callahan said the company will change how it markets Montana. Under new
policies, Cabela's will not advertise the prospect of subdividing land in
Montana and will avoid undermining existing Block Management contracts, he
said. The sportsmen apparently were heard."

Yep, loud and clear - they don't want anyone interfering with their
taxpayer-funded hunting "rights"...

IMO, screw 'em - if they want hunting rights on private lands, let them
lease it and pay for it out of their own pockets.

TC,
R