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Frank Church November 26th, 2003 02:37 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 
OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like; the
only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and it takes
noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to windows fairly
snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc) I have 512 megs RAM
and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have to go to a faster
processor to kick this thing in the butt or what? One small negative in
this whole thing is my scanner software does not work with WinXP..time for
a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church
...'fishin' for help to keep this partly on topic :)

Frank Reid November 26th, 2003 02:57 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 
OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like; the
only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and it takes
noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to windows fairly
snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc) I have 512 megs RAM
and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have to go to a faster
processor to kick this thing in the butt or what? One small negative in
this whole thing is my scanner software does not work with WinXP..time for
a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church


No, you should be fine. You will probably want to find one of the pages on
the Internet on tuning XP. Things like Instant Messager will be running in
the background and you can kill them. Just google the XP tuning or
"secrets."
Go to your scanner's home page, they may have new XP signed software. The
1.2 GHz, 512 RAM, should be fine, especially after some tuning. I let one
of the serious MS geekazoids point you at the appropriat pages.
G'nite Dad
--
Frank Reid (the one who didn't become a squiddly)
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rw November 26th, 2003 07:15 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 
Frank Church wrote:
OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like; the
only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and it takes
noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to windows fairly
snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc) I have 512 megs RAM
and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have to go to a faster
processor to kick this thing in the butt or what? One small negative in
this whole thing is my scanner software does not work with WinXP..time for
a new scanner I guess.


Since ROFF is now the default source for Windows help, I suppose it's OK
to ask a question about Linux:

Is there a way to call shutdown(blah, SHUT_WR) on a network SOCK_STREAM
connection's fd without discarding pending output? Or some way to block
until pending output has been acknowledged by the far end? (There's a
TCP/IP acknowledgement packet being sent, I'm fairly certain of this...)
I want the connection at the far end to get EOF from read, but still be
able to send me data back from the other half of the connection.
I've looked at the BSD networking documentation, the source code to
"netcat", all the man pages I could find, asked google, etc. The 2.4.18
net/ipv4/tcp.c source has some interesting comments (line 396) about
poll not having a notion of HUP in just one direction, but I've gathered
that select and poll behave differently on files, pipes, network
sockets, block devices, etc... In any case, this doesn't help me find an
exported user-space API that might help me implement this behavior. (By
the way, is "PULLHUP" on lines 414 and 417 a typo for "POLLHUP", or
not?) There doesn't seem to be any variant of a blocking flush() call on
a socket (that I can find), or a way to tell shutdown() to wait for
pending output the way a normal close() does. (Maybe I can do something
fancy with poll or select?) If there IS no way to do this, why does
shutdown(2) bother taking a second argument? (Maybe I can disable nagle
and then do a write of length zero, to make the other end unblock with a
read of length zero and THINK the stream's done? Probably won't work,
but it's worth a try...) (P.S. yes I can rewrite the protocol being sent
over the wire to signal EOF in-band (yet again) but this keeps coming up
over and over. Processes that work when stdin and stdout are seperate
file handles don't work when the data goes back and forth through a
network socket...)

Thanks in advance. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


riverman November 26th, 2003 08:18 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...
OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like; the
only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and it

takes
noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to windows fairly
snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc) I have 512 megs

RAM
and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have to go to a faster
processor to kick this thing in the butt or what? One small negative in
this whole thing is my scanner software does not work with WinXP..time

for
a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church


No, you should be fine. You will probably want to find one of the pages

on
the Internet on tuning XP. Things like Instant Messager will be running

in
the background and you can kill them. Just google the XP tuning or
"secrets."


This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where do I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?

Also, Frank, I have found that my version of Norton slows things down a lot,
too.

--riverman





rw November 26th, 2003 08:34 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 
riverman wrote:

This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where do I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?
http://support.microsoft.com/


Go to http://support.microsoft.com/, and then, when you're finished,
come back.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Jarmo Hurri November 26th, 2003 08:46 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 

rw Since ROFF is now the default source for Windows help, I suppose
rw it's OK to ask a question about Linux:

rw Is there a way to call shutdown(blah, SHUT_WR) on a network
rw SOCK_STREAM connection's fd without discarding pending output? Or
rw some way to block until pending output has been acknowledged by
rw the far end? (There's a TCP/IP acknowledgement packet being sent,
rw I'm fairly certain of this...)

Rw, the good ole Rob Landley?

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linu...2-22/1291.html

and the answer is:

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linu...2-22/1337.html

Do I get a bisquit?

--
Jarmo Hurri

Spam countermeasures included. Drop your brain when replying, or just
use .

rw November 26th, 2003 10:22 AM

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Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Do I get a bisquit?


When we meet, Jarmo, I'll give you a fresh biscuit slathered with fresh
churned butter and blackberry jam.

Now all that ROFF needs is a Windows guru, and we'll be set. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


riverman November 26th, 2003 10:44 AM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"rw" wrote in message
hlink.net...
riverman wrote:

This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also

noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where do

I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?
http://support.microsoft.com/


Go to http://support.microsoft.com/, and then, when you're finished,
come back.


Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any info on
how to make my computer bootup faster. I guess 'tuning' is a rather general
term; I already know how to do a lot of stuff, but I know there's a lot more
to it. Maybe I should ask if anyone has specific things I should do to speed
up my startup time? I already saw Frank's suggestion about disabling
Messenger. Any other things that are obvious to folks that know about this?

--riverman



Roger Ohlund November 26th, 2003 12:41 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"rw" wrote in message
hlink.net...
riverman wrote:

This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also

noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a

slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where

do
I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?
http://support.microsoft.com/


Go to http://support.microsoft.com/, and then, when you're finished,
come back.


Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any info on
how to make my computer bootup faster. I guess 'tuning' is a rather

general
term; I already know how to do a lot of stuff, but I know there's a lot

more
to it. Maybe I should ask if anyone has specific things I should do to

speed
up my startup time? I already saw Frank's suggestion about disabling
Messenger. Any other things that are obvious to folks that know about

this?

--riverman


Check out a small program called "Tweak XP 3.0.1 Pro" from www.totalidea.com
You might find some tweaks useful.

/Roger
And if you don't already use NTFS then convert.



Charlie Choc November 26th, 2003 12:45 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:44:26 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:

Any other things that are obvious to folks that know about this?

Probably the most obvious things are to do a 'disk cleanup' and 'error
checking' on your boot drive and then defragment it. If you are
comparing XP boot times to win9x boot times I doubt you will ever get
it faster, since XP is booting an OS where win9x is just a DOS shell.
--
Charlie...

Osmo Jauhiainen November 26th, 2003 12:50 PM

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"Roger Ohlund" kirjoitti viestissä
...

Check out a small program called "Tweak XP 3.0.1 Pro" from

www.totalidea.com
You might find some tweaks useful.


Roger,

This looks interesting! I'll download and test the package, when I get back
home!

OsmoJ



Herman Nijland November 26th, 2003 12:52 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
riverman wrote:
This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also

noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where do I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?

Also, Frank, I have found that my version of Norton slows things down a lot,
too.

--riverman


Norton changed over the years from a handy set of tools to a resource
munging hog. Ditch it, or, if you really really want to use it don't run
anything on startup.
Virusscanners can cause your system boot to last forever, or so it seems.
Run MSCONFIG and check what is loaded at boottime. Disable anything
you're sure of (!!) you don't need. The services tab allows you to kill
virtually anything, but unless you really know what you're doing keep
out of it.
In control panel / system / advanced / performance you can tweak the
visual effects. Quite often the performance loss you experience is
merely perceived, because of the fade-in/fade-out of windows and all
kinds of 'experience enhancements'. Fiddle around with some settings and
see what you like/need/want to live with.
so much for now,

Herman


Scott Seidman November 26th, 2003 01:11 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
Frank Church wrote in
9.11:

OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like;
the only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and
it takes noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to
windows fairly snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc)
I have 512 megs RAM and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have
to go to a faster processor to kick this thing in the butt or what?
One small negative in this whole thing is my scanner software does not
work with WinXP..time for a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church
..'fishin' for help to keep this partly on topic :)


The only advice I can offer is to not do an "upgrade"from w98, but start
fresh with a clean install. Of course, you then need to reinstall all your
apps, and might have license problems that you need to deal with, but its
the only way to guarantee you're not bringing any old baggage along with
you.

FWIW, my XP Pro installation is tons faster on bootup than any NT-family
product I've ever used.

Scott

-=SAGE=- November 26th, 2003 01:27 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
Scott,

I'm glad I read the entire thread. Although some of the advice given
was ok for systems that suddenly started running slower than normal,
your suggestion is the ONLY one I ever use. Your line about the 'Old
Baggage', is 100% accurate. The only way to ensure a good install is
via a new install.



On 26 Nov 2003 13:11:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Frank Church wrote in
. 49.11:

OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like;
the only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and
it takes noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to
windows fairly snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc)
I have 512 megs RAM and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have
to go to a faster processor to kick this thing in the butt or what?
One small negative in this whole thing is my scanner software does not
work with WinXP..time for a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church
..'fishin' for help to keep this partly on topic :)


The only advice I can offer is to not do an "upgrade"from w98, but start
fresh with a clean install. Of course, you then need to reinstall all your
apps, and might have license problems that you need to deal with, but its
the only way to guarantee you're not bringing any old baggage along with
you.

FWIW, my XP Pro installation is tons faster on bootup than any NT-family
product I've ever used.

Scott


-=SAGE=-
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Bill November 26th, 2003 01:33 PM

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The only way to go is a fresh install As Scott said - up-grading brings
along other things.
PLUS IT really keeps most of old win - 98 system.

If done this way system will start up faster than any version of Windows 98.

A nice tip. Once it is running correctly and to you satisfaction,
set a - SET POINT. Making a set point once a week or so is a good idea.
Should you muck it up at a later date you can restore it back to the point
it operated right.
YOU will not loose any of your files doing this either.
Now if you add any new programs to system - AND if you DELETE
something you shouldn't. Then next day or so you try to do something and
the computer doesn't want to respond or you get an ERROR message.
You can use RESTORE to put computer back to when all was correct
will help your nerves....
Flyrods


"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
Frank Church wrote in
9.11:

OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like;
the only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and
it takes noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to
windows fairly snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc)
I have 512 megs RAM and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have
to go to a faster processor to kick this thing in the butt or what?
One small negative in this whole thing is my scanner software does not
work with WinXP..time for a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church
..'fishin' for help to keep this partly on topic :)


The only advice I can offer is to not do an "upgrade"from w98, but start
fresh with a clean install. Of course, you then need to reinstall all

your
apps, and might have license problems that you need to deal with, but its
the only way to guarantee you're not bringing any old baggage along with
you.

FWIW, my XP Pro installation is tons faster on bootup than any NT-family
product I've ever used.

Scott




Scott Seidman November 26th, 2003 02:55 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
"Bill" wrote in
:

A nice tip. Once it is running correctly and to you satisfaction,
set a - SET POINT. Making a set point once a week or so is a good
idea. Should you muck it up at a later date you can restore it back to
the point it operated right.


Is this native to XP, or a third party product??

Scott

Charlie Choc November 26th, 2003 03:07 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
On 26 Nov 2003 14:55:13 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

"Bill" wrote in
t:

A nice tip. Once it is running correctly and to you satisfaction,
set a - SET POINT. Making a set point once a week or so is a good
idea. Should you muck it up at a later date you can restore it back to
the point it operated right.


Is this native to XP, or a third party product??

Look under accessories/system tools at system restore.
--
Charlie...

riverman November 26th, 2003 03:26 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:
This is new to me. I also have XP, 1.2 gig and 512 megs, and I also

noticed
that my bootup is a lot slower than my desktop, with 256Meg and a slower
processor. I googled "xp tuner" and got a lot of german stuff. Where do

I
find more info on tuning my laptop for faster performance?

Also, Frank, I have found that my version of Norton slows things down a

lot,
too.

--riverman


Norton changed over the years from a handy set of tools to a resource
munging hog. Ditch it, or, if you really really want to use it don't run
anything on startup.


What do you recommend as a virus scan? Is there one that will only
initialize when you insert a disk, or open email?

Virusscanners can cause your system boot to last forever, or so it seems.
Run MSCONFIG and check what is loaded at boottime. Disable anything
you're sure of (!!) you don't need. The services tab allows you to kill
virtually anything, but unless you really know what you're doing keep
out of it.


This might be a rich idea. Right now, everything loads at boottime. I
don't know at all what to disable, but I'm sure I don't need much of it.

In control panel / system / advanced / performance you can tweak the
visual effects. Quite often the performance loss you experience is
merely perceived, because of the fade-in/fade-out of windows and all
kinds of 'experience enhancements'. Fiddle around with some settings and
see what you like/need/want to live with.
so much for now


Whew! I reset the adjustments from 'let windows choose for you' to 'set for
maximum performance', and I felt like I just traded a 2004 Lexus for a 73
Beetle. I couldn't live with the graphics :-( But this might explain why
my battery only lasts for about 1.5 hours.


Thanks for the leads. I'll do some more fooling around, and unless I totally
screw the poodle, I'll get back to you.

--riverman



rb608 November 26th, 2003 03:35 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
The only advice I can offer is to not do an "upgrade"from w98, but start
fresh with a clean install. Of course, you then need to reinstall all

your
apps, and might have license problems that you need to deal with, but its
the only way to guarantee you're not bringing any old baggage along with
you.


That hits close to my problem. Over a period of a few weeks (IIRC), I began
having increasingly frequent problems w/ the old PC. It began just freezing
up, necessitating a reboot (via the on/off switch) each time. Finally, it
simply refused to boot up at all & hangs during the boot up (Windows screen,
but no further progress). My guess from observing its eventual demise is a
problem with the operating systems itself (Win98 2nd ed.)

Further, inasmuch as my son has downloaded stuff without the requisite
caution & experience w/ viruses, I'm highly suspicious that some such bug
has taken over & killed my PC.

My first thought toward a solution was to re-install Win98; but because this
is an old company discard, I do not have the original Win98 CD. I'm kinda
looking around for a copy I could use; but I'm also considering, like Frank,
simply upgrading to XP.

Is that a bad idea at this time? Do I need to fix the problem with Win98
first, or can I simply install XP overtop & move on?

Joe F.



Francis Reid November 26th, 2003 04:24 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
Is that a bad idea at this time? Do I need to fix the problem with Win98
first, or can I simply install XP overtop & move on?

Joe F.


Try a 30 day free trial of "the Cleaner" from www.moosoft.com
Download it, upgrade to the newest trojan definitions and then run it.
It will tell you about trojans on your machine and fix many of them.
One of the best (and cheapest) security programs I've ever found. I
refuse to operate any of my PCs without it.
Frank Reid

rw November 26th, 2003 04:31 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
riverman wrote:

Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any info on
how to make my computer bootup faster.


I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Charlie Choc November 26th, 2003 04:45 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:48 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:

Thanks for the leads. I'll do some more fooling around, and unless I totally
screw the poodle, I'll get back to you.

One of my sons uses XP Home and was complaining about extremely slow
boot ups. I had him run scandisk with the fix option and it cleared up
the problem. I'd suggest you try that before changing the registry -
although changing the registry is often a good road to a complete
reinstall if that's your goal. g
--
Charlie...

rb608 November 26th, 2003 05:18 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 

"Francis Reid" wrote in message
Try a 30 day free trial of "the Cleaner" from www.moosoft.com
Download it, upgrade to the newest trojan definitions and then run it.
It will tell you about trojans on your machine and fix many of them.
One of the best (and cheapest) security programs I've ever found. I
refuse to operate any of my PCs without it.


Sounds good; but without a functioning OS, I'm more or less hosed until I
get past that step.

Joe F.



Bill November 26th, 2003 05:28 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 

No - - - it is in all XP - Versions (Home & Pro - Also in ME )-
go to Programs;
Accessories;
to System tools; Look for ReStore..
Click on it and kind of look it over.
But if computer is running GOOD - THEN make a restore point.
Bill


"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"Bill" wrote in
:

A nice tip. Once it is running correctly and to you satisfaction,
set a - SET POINT. Making a set point once a week or so is a good
idea. Should you muck it up at a later date you can restore it back to
the point it operated right.


Is this native to XP, or a third party product??

Scott




Bill November 26th, 2003 05:41 PM

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Oh Yes after you have used the restore a few times - and IF computer seems
to slow down - then follow this procedu

1. Right click the START button = choose Explore....
2. Now scroll until you find your hard drive (C: )
then left click it once (Highlights it)
3. Now right click it (C: Drive) and choose PROPERTIES.....
4. Once that window opens - will be under the General TAB Look
under the Pie of Drive and click on Disk Clean up.

5. This will bring up a little window "Disk Cleanup?
Allow it to do it's thing.
6. When done another window will Pop up - "Disk Cleanup for Drive (C:)
7. JUST look at the files there -
8. BUT NOW GO TO THE "MORE OPTIONS TAB"
9. Once in it There will be three (3) CHOICES - the last is System Restore -
10. Click on the Clean Up button..

11. ANOTHER LITTLE WINDOW WILL COME UP AND ASK YOU IF
YOU ARE SURE YOU WANT TO DELETE - ALL BUT THE MOST
RECENT, RESTORE POINT.

12. Click on Yes - set back and XP - will clean up drive.
13. Once done - shut it down Manually then fired it back up -
watch how much faster it has gotten. Plus it got rid of a lot of
junk..
None of your files - as they stay in tact.

Makes life easier!!!!!

Bill


"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:48 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:

Thanks for the leads. I'll do some more fooling around, and unless I

totally
screw the poodle, I'll get back to you.

One of my sons uses XP Home and was complaining about extremely slow
boot ups. I had him run scandisk with the fix option and it cleared up
the problem. I'd suggest you try that before changing the registry -
although changing the registry is often a good road to a complete
reinstall if that's your goal. g
--
Charlie...




Frank Church November 26th, 2003 05:58 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
-=SAGE=- -=SAGE=- wrote in
:

Scott,

I'm glad I read the entire thread. Although some of the advice given
was ok for systems that suddenly started running slower than normal,
your suggestion is the ONLY one I ever use. Your line about the 'Old
Baggage', is 100% accurate. The only way to ensure a good install is
via a new install.


....thanks to all your geeknesses, I appreciate the input. I did a format c:
and cleaned the HD of W98 as I had read somewhere that is is best to
install fresh. As I get a little braver I'll snoop around and have this
puppy running like a greyhound.

Frank Church


daytripper November 26th, 2003 10:03 PM

OT...calling all geeks
 
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw wrote:

riverman wrote:

Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any info on
how to make my computer bootup faster.


I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?


"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)

You just have to clean the hell out of the print heads, and the little pads at
the far right below the platen. The printer periodically wipes the face of the
print head on those pads, which get loaded up over time (especially if you've
been doing a bunch of cleaning cycles lately).

Also, on my 800 and the SO's C60, there's a lever that adjusts the spacing
from head to paper. If it's set too tight I suppose the print head might
actually drag on the paper.

/daytripper ("Printer victim")

Scott Seidman November 26th, 2003 10:09 PM

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daytripper wrote in
:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw
wrote:

riverman wrote:

Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any
info on how to make my computer bootup faster.


I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?


"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)

You just have to clean the hell out of the print heads, and the little
pads at the far right below the platen. The printer periodically wipes
the face of the print head on those pads, which get loaded up over
time (especially if you've been doing a bunch of cleaning cycles
lately).

Also, on my 800 and the SO's C60, there's a lever that adjusts the
spacing from head to paper. If it's set too tight I suppose the print
head might actually drag on the paper.

/daytripper ("Printer victim")


horizontal banding can be because of poor print head alignment. The tool
that lets you do head cleaning should also give you an option to align the
print heads, at least for my epson c80

Scott

rw November 26th, 2003 10:14 PM

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daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw wrote:

I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?



"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)


It was intended as sarcasm.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Flyfish November 26th, 2003 10:43 PM

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rw wrote in
link.net:

riverman wrote:

Wow, thanks rw. I looked through that site, but I didn't find any
info on how to make my computer bootup faster.


I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?


Epsons are famous for clogged heads. My old 900 died with totally clogged
heads and Epson wanted $250 to replace the heads. Epson is off my list
these days. I did have at one time, some third party head cleaner ink
carts that you installed and printed with, my last ditch attempt to clean
the heads, as I recall they were not all that expensive. I think I just
got them way too late. It's too bad because nothing I've seen can compete
with Epson for picture printing, very sharp and good color.

Flyfish

Flyfish November 26th, 2003 10:45 PM

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Frank Church wrote in
9.11:

OK, I finally got tired of bsods, lockups, illegal ops etc, etc. so I
upgraded to WinXP Home Edition today. So far, what I've seen I like;
the only fly in the ointment seems to be that windows open slower and
it takes noticeably longer to boot up and shut down. I'm used to
windows fairly snapping open with W98 (when it wasn't locked up, etc)
I have 512 megs RAM and an Athlon 1.2 gig processor. Am I gonna have
to go to a faster processor to kick this thing in the butt or what?
One small negative in this whole thing is my scanner software does not
work with WinXP..time for a new scanner I guess.

Frank Church
..'fishin' for help to keep this partly on topic :)


http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...xptweak/1.html

Flyfish

Wolfgang November 27th, 2003 12:55 AM

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"rw" wrote in message
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daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw

wrote:

I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?



"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)


It was intended as sarcasm.


Awwww.........isn't that sweet........and on the eve of such a feel good
family holiday!

Wolfgang
who really can't understand why anybody wouldn't just ADORE such a prince of
a fella.



walt winter November 27th, 2003 01:21 AM

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daytripper wrote:


"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)


you sweet talkin' graminivorous fly fishin yankee....

--wally ;-)


rw November 27th, 2003 01:24 AM

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Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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daytripper wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw


wrote:

I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?


"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)


It was intended as sarcasm.



Awwww.........isn't that sweet........and on the eve of such a feel good
family holiday!


Thanksgiving is a feel-good AMERICAN holiday. Believe it or not, most of
the world, including a significant percentage of ROFF, couldn't care
less about Thanksgiving, even if they know what it represents. I like
Thanksgiving -- it's my favorite holiday -- but celebrating Thanksgiving
or Veteran's Day or the Fourth of July or the like ON ROFF strikes me as
crass American chauvinism. There's an underlying assumption that ROFF
belongs to the US, in some fundamental sense. Our English and Canadian
and Aussie and Kiwi colleagues have the good taste, at least, to
celebrate Boxing Day on their own time, in their own way.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Willi November 27th, 2003 01:59 AM

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rw wrote:



Thanksgiving is a feel-good AMERICAN holiday. Believe it or not, most of
the world, including a significant percentage of ROFF, couldn't care
less about Thanksgiving, even if they know what it represents. I like
Thanksgiving -- it's my favorite holiday -- but celebrating Thanksgiving
or Veteran's Day or the Fourth of July or the like ON ROFF strikes me as
crass American chauvinism. There's an underlying assumption that ROFF
belongs to the US, in some fundamental sense. Our English and Canadian
and Aussie and Kiwi colleagues have the good taste, at least, to
celebrate Boxing Day on their own time, in their own way.


Bah Humbug!

IMO, holidays where family and friends get together to celebrate some
aspect of life are good things. I'm hard pressed to see how friends
wishing each other well on ROFF during these days can be offensive to
others.

And this from a guy that always has to work overtime before, during and
after holidays.

I hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving.

Willi






Willi November 27th, 2003 01:59 AM

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Wolfgang wrote:

It was intended as sarcasm.



Awwww.........isn't that sweet........and on the eve of such a feel good
family holiday!

Wolfgang
who really can't understand why anybody wouldn't just ADORE such a prince of
a fella.


He says sarcastically........

Willi





rw November 27th, 2003 02:03 AM

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Willi wrote:


rw wrote:



Thanksgiving is a feel-good AMERICAN holiday. Believe it or not, most
of the world, including a significant percentage of ROFF, couldn't
care less about Thanksgiving, even if they know what it represents. I
like Thanksgiving -- it's my favorite holiday -- but celebrating
Thanksgiving or Veteran's Day or the Fourth of July or the like ON
ROFF strikes me as crass American chauvinism. There's an underlying
assumption that ROFF belongs to the US, in some fundamental sense. Our
English and Canadian and Aussie and Kiwi colleagues have the good
taste, at least, to celebrate Boxing Day on their own time, in their
own way.


Bah Humbug!

IMO, holidays where family and friends get together to celebrate some
aspect of life are good things. I'm hard pressed to see how friends
wishing each other well on ROFF during these days can be offensive to
others.


"Offensive" is much too harsh a word. I had something more like
"inappropriate" in mind -- kind of like using ROFF for Windows support.

But, while we're at it, Happy Thanksgiving, Willi. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Wolfgang November 27th, 2003 03:44 AM

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"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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daytripper wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:59 GMT, rw


wrote:

I'm having trouble with my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer. The paper
comes out with horizontal lines on it, even after I clean the print
head. Can any Epson printer geeks help?


"Printer geeks"? Who the hell would admit to that? ;-)

It was intended as sarcasm.



Awwww.........isn't that sweet........and on the eve of such a feel good
family holiday!


Thanksgiving is a feel-good AMERICAN holiday.


See, I never would have guessed that. I'd have guessed it was primarily a
book by some obscure author that only about 84% of the world had ever heard
of. And then I'd have done a Google search on it and presented my findings
by way of a cleverly disguised sneer at someone who said something like
"Hey, ya know, I think I like Thanksgiving"......or something like that.

Believe it or not, most of
the world, including a significant percentage of ROFF, couldn't care
less about Thanksgiving,


Who'da thunk it?! I'da thunk that if'n it'll play in Idaho, it's good
enough fer anybody!

even if they know what it represents.


Well yeah, harvest festivals ARE pretty obscure.......outside 'Murrica and
Indiana there can't be any more'n about five or six billion people who ever
heard of 'em.

I like Thanksgiving


And it likes you!

-- it's my favorite holiday --

And you're its favorite putz!

but celebrating Thanksgiving
or Veteran's Day or the Fourth of July or the like ON ROFF strikes me as
crass American chauvinism.


Well yeah, but then, anything you think you can get mileage out of strikes
you as crass American chauvinism.......or as anything else you think, at the
moment, that you can get mileage out of.......um......I wonder.....does
carrying a satellite phone in places that Isabella Bird picnicked in qualify
as crass American chauvinism?

There's an underlying assumption that ROFF
belongs to the US, in some fundamental sense.


Hm.......well, at least that's something we can't lay at Hart's
feet......or, for that matter, at the feet of anyone who has the moral
stature required to sneer at shooting grouse with a rifle! :)

Our English and Canadian
and Aussie and Kiwi colleagues have the good taste, at least, to
celebrate Boxing Day on their own time, in their own way.


And thank god they all speak the King's English while doing
so!......um......well, the Quee......oops!

Wolfgang
who swears he did not read any of the above tripe.



Wolfgang November 27th, 2003 03:49 AM

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"Willi" wrote in message
...


Wolfgang wrote:

It was intended as sarcasm.



Awwww.........isn't that sweet........and on the eve of such a feel good
family holiday!

Wolfgang
who really can't understand why anybody wouldn't just ADORE such a

prince of
a fella.


He says sarcastically........

Willi


Thus demonstrating that two of us know what the word "sarcasm"
means..........and that one of us has, for the moment at least, decided to
refrain from pretending that he or she fails to understand what one or more
of the others said.

Wolfgang
who can also, albeit with the aid of a much maligned dictionary, spell
"sardonic".



[email protected] November 27th, 2003 05:31 AM

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:24:40 GMT, rw
wrote:

(snipped)

- but celebrating Thanksgiving
or Veteran's Day or the Fourth of July or the like ON ROFF strikes me as
crass American chauvinism. There's an underlying assumption that ROFF
belongs to the US, in some fundamental sense. Our English and Canadian
and Aussie and Kiwi colleagues have the good taste, at least, to
celebrate Boxing Day on their own time, in their own way.


All newsgroups populated by Americans tend to act that way. I've seen
the Brits do their special days the same way in newsgroups where they
predominate. I don't find it to my taste, as a general rule, as I'm
not big on holidays (other then the time off work they represent), but
it's not bothersome to me, unless it gets very sloshy sentimental and
goes on and on. Wannabee Hallmark posts tend to up my personal
irritation levels, but I can skim or skip them.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli


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