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notbob March 26th, 2008 06:13 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped from the
hook of the dry. I've found a buncha sites with dropper loop knots or
showing the basic concept of a bend-of-hook dropper, but not much on the
best knot to use at the hook bend. What say ye?

nb

Scott Seidman March 26th, 2008 06:18 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
notbob wrote in
:

I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped
from the hook of the dry. I've found a buncha sites with dropper loop
knots or showing the basic concept of a bend-of-hook dropper, but not
much on the best knot to use at the hook bend. What say ye?

nb



A cinch works fine, as does looping the tag end through a perfection loop.


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Caddisman[_8_] March 26th, 2008 06:50 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 

Here you go trt this

'Field & Stream - Field & Stream's Guide to Basic Camping and Fishing
Knots (Now With More New Knots!)' (http://tinyurl.com/39vrvq)

This is the one I use.

John


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Wayne Harrison March 26th, 2008 06:52 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 

"notbob" wrote in message
...
I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped
from the
hook of the dry. I've found a buncha sites with dropper loop knots or
showing the basic concept of a bend-of-hook dropper, but not much on the
best knot to use at the hook bend. What say ye?

nb


same knot i use from reel arbor to fly: the mighty improved clinch!

wayno



rw March 26th, 2008 07:28 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
notbob wrote:
I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped from the
hook of the dry. I've found a buncha sites with dropper loop knots or
showing the basic concept of a bend-of-hook dropper, but not much on the
best knot to use at the hook bend. What say ye?

nb


You can use an improved clinch knot on the bend. The easiest way is to
tie the knot before you put in on the bend and tighten it.

I prefer to tie the dropper onto the hook eye.

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Wayne Harrison March 26th, 2008 07:37 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 

"rw" wrote

You can use an improved clinch knot on the bend. The easiest way is to tie
the knot before you put in on the bend and tighten it.

I prefer to tie the dropper onto the hook eye.


damn, steven, i thought *sure* i would get a rise out of you on my post,
supra.
losing my touch, i reckon.

yfitons
wayno



Ken Fortenberry[_2_] March 26th, 2008 07:44 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote
You can use an improved clinch knot on the bend. The easiest way is to tie
the knot before you put in on the bend and tighten it.

I prefer to tie the dropper onto the hook eye.


damn, steven, i thought *sure* i would get a rise out of you on my post,
supra.
losing my touch, i reckon.


No, you're not losing your "kooky uncle who will only tie one knot"
touch. You just accidentally picked a situation where the improved
clinch happens to be a suitable knot. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

rw March 26th, 2008 08:09 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote


You can use an improved clinch knot on the bend. The easiest way is to tie
the knot before you put in on the bend and tighten it.

I prefer to tie the dropper onto the hook eye.



damn, steven, i thought *sure* i would get a rise out of you on my post,
supra.
losing my touch, i reckon.

yfitons
wayno



If the guy had asked how to tie the leader to the flyline I'd be all
over you like a cheap suit. :-)

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notbob March 26th, 2008 08:12 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On 2008-03-26, Caddisman wrote:

This is the one I use.


Davey's knot. I like it. Easy for squinty-eyed geezers.

nb

Larry L March 26th, 2008 09:14 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 

"notbob" wrote

Davey's knot. I like it. Easy for squinty-eyed geezers.



As a geezer that has tried Davey's knot ... it's not a knot that's not hard
to knot .... it looks a lot easier on paper than in a breeze, at dusk, with
light tippet, threading the tag back through the loop the second time is
hard without wasting a lot of tippet, mainly because that tag is hard to see
and grip with geezer eyes and a hand full of geezer thumbs

but give it a try and decide for yourself

I use an improved clinch and rw's excellent suggestion to start the knot on
a finger or your forceps not directly on the bend of the hook ... makes it
much easier to avoid trapping tail fibers of the dry fly in the knot
(especially with flies like a sparkle dun )



notbob March 27th, 2008 12:17 AM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On 2008-03-26, Larry L wrote:

modquote
... it's not a knot that's not hard
to knot ....

/modquote


nb

Kevin Vang[_2_] March 27th, 2008 02:54 AM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
In article , rw56
says...
If the guy had asked how to tie the leader to the flyline I'd be all
over you like a cheap suit. :-)


A lawsuit?

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[email protected] March 27th, 2008 12:57 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:54:44 -0500, Kevin Vang
wrote:

In article , rw56
says...
If the guy had asked how to tie the leader to the flyline I'd be all
over you like a cheap suit. :-)


A lawsuit?


A clown suit.

HTH,
R

Amos Nandy March 31st, 2008 04:02 AM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:13:29 GMT, notbob wrote:

I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped from the
hook of the dry. I've found a buncha sites with dropper loop knots or
showing the basic concept of a bend-of-hook dropper, but not much on the
best knot to use at the hook bend. What say ye?

nb


Figure eight knot tightened by pulling up hard on the tag end only.

notbob March 31st, 2008 10:39 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On 2008-03-26, notbob wrote:
I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped from the
hook of the dry.


I've been playing around with diff knots and I like the perfect loop knot
and uni.

Is this combo valid for a dry--drpr--nymph?

pl=perfect loop
uni=uni

(taperleader)-----pl--pl----(tippet)---dryfly-hookbend/uni-----uni/nymph

nb

Larry L March 31st, 2008 10:54 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 

"notbob" wrote

(taperleader)-----pl--pl----(tippet)---dryfly-hookbend/uni-----uni/nymph

nb


that'll work

try

(taperleader)-----tippet ring ----(tippet)---


I scoffed pretty hard when I first heard of tippet rings ..
but,
I prefer to scoff about things I've actually tried,
so,
I tried them,
and,
I'm a convert,
now.



Mike[_6_] April 1st, 2008 12:09 AM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On Mar 31, 11:39 pm, notbob wrote:
On 2008-03-26, notbob wrote:

I'm would like to set up a dry --- nymph dropper w/ the nymph dropped from the
hook of the dry.


I've been playing around with diff knots and I like the perfect loop knot
and uni.

Is this combo valid for a dry--drpr--nymph?

pl=perfect loop
uni=uni

(taperleader)-----pl--pl----(tippet)---dryfly-hookbend/uni-----uni/nymph

nb


You will find it easier to use tippet rings instead of just knots.
Like these;
http://www.sportfish.co.uk/product/3...et_Rings_.html

You can drop a nymph off a ring as well if you wish, or drop the dry
fly off the ring if you want the nymph on the point.

Saves a lot of messing on, and makes a tapred leader last a very long
time. I would suggest you "colour" the rings with matt black marker.
This stops them glinting, and fewer fish try to take the rings.

If you want to fish "in-line" rings, and you dress your own flies,
then try these;
http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8063

This prevents "bumping" fish off, ( as does the ring drop rig
described above).

TL
MC

notbob April 1st, 2008 12:34 AM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On 2008-03-31, Larry L wrote:

I scoffed pretty hard when I first heard of tippet rings ..


No wonder. Could there be a smaller niche to exploit?

I'm off to develope "tippet ring" lube/indicator/release.

nb

notbob April 1st, 2008 04:07 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
Mike wrote in
:


You will find it easier to use tippet rings instead of just knots.


I'm not sure I see the advantage of tippet rings over loops. All I've
scoured on the web shows folks using clinch knots and the like to attach to
the ring. That's tying a knot. Changing a tippet means cutting the currnt
knot and tying a new knot to the ring. What's the advantage over loop-to-
loop where knot tying is avoided?

nb

Mike[_6_] April 1st, 2008 05:32 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
On Apr 1, 5:07 pm, notbob wrote:
Mike wrote :

You will find it easier to use tippet rings instead of just knots.


I'm not sure I see the advantage of tippet rings over loops. All I've
scoured on the web shows folks using clinch knots and the like to attach to
the ring. That's tying a knot. Changing a tippet means cutting the currnt
knot and tying a new knot to the ring. What's the advantage over loop-to-
loop where knot tying is avoided?

nb


You donīt shorten your tapered leader at all.

It is easy to remove or add dropper lengths/tippet,

Knots to rings are stronger than knots to nylon. Especially inf you
use a tucked half blood knot ( aka. Improved clinch);

http://www.animatedknots.com/improvedclinch/index.php

http://www.cabelas.com/information/c...inch-Knot.html

When attaching a dropper, you tie your fly to the length of line you
wish to use, and then tie the length of line to the ring. This is
easier to control, gives you the length you want, and also allows you
to use short droppers without fear of damaging your leader.

Loop to loop is not an appropriate method of attaching tippet or
flies.Knots are used to form such loops in any case! It is only useful
for attaching leader to fly-line, and may cause hingeing even then. A
needle knot is better for this connection.

When you hook a fish, the pull is on the ring, which automatically
orientates the line/knot in the direction of pull. This exerts less
strain on the knot. Using the "tag ends" of knots, or knotted tippet
is less reliable.

If you donīt see any advantages, then donīt use them! :)

TL
MC

Mike[_6_] April 1st, 2008 05:37 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
When using rings you may also ignore the "diameter drop rule" for
tying knots in fishing line. This rule states that for many knots a
difference in nylon ( or whatever), diameter of more than few thou,
renders the knot unreliable.

As this does not apply to jam knots on rings, you can use any tippet
you like. This has a number of considerable advantages.

TL
MC

Mike[_6_] April 1st, 2008 05:48 PM

Hook bend dropper knot
 
More knot info;

http://marinews.com/fishing_line/lea...hing_line.html

http://www.letsflyfish.com/knots.htm

http://www.bigfishtackle.com/Resourc..._fly_knots.htm

TL
MC



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