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I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing. I have a 7
weight Hardy JLH Golden reel winging its way towards me from England to use
on my old Fenwick 7 weight glass fibre rod. I have also decided to look for
a cheap multi-piece travel rod to allow me to fish when hiking, and it would
be nice if I could use the same reel. So, what is the lightest rod I could
get away with using the Hardy reel on? I know one has to match line weight
and rod weight, but does one absolutely have to match the reel to the rod
and line? Since everyone seems to say that 4, 5 and 6 weight rods are right
for trout, I was thinking that maybe I could get a 5 weight rod but only if
I can use the 7 weight reel on it.

Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

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Dan wrote:
I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing.

Just take a deep breath, relax, and go fishing with whatever gear you
have available. The very best advice you've gotten, that I've noticed,
came from Jeff Miller.

Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

It wouldn't hurt.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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You can go up or down one fairly easily with a change of spools (line should
match rod). However, balancing the reel size and weight to the rod is much
more desirable and contributes extensively to proper gearwhoring.
--
Wayne
To Fish is Human...To Release Divine!

"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing.
Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

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Thanks RW,

I do appreciate the advice from you and everyone else here. However, that
said, right now I don't have the equipment to go fishing at all and using
the time until I do to ask questions to enable myself to make the best
decisions about equipment seems rational.

And yes, Mr Miller's advice did seem good.

Dan

"rw" wrote in message news:LQtyb.22685
Just take a deep breath, relax, and go fishing with whatever gear you
have available. The very best advice you've gotten, that I've noticed,
came from Jeff Miller.

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Dan wrote:
Thanks RW,

I do appreciate the advice from you and everyone else here. However, that
said, right now I don't have the equipment to go fishing at all and using
the time until I do to ask questions to enable myself to make the best
decisions about equipment seems rational.

And yes, Mr Miller's advice did seem good.

There's a quaint and, IMO, effete tendency among flyfishers to suppose
that gear is, if not everything, then maybe upwards of 90% of
everything. Gear matters little, the opinions of ROFF's self-proclaimed
gear whores notwithstanding. You'll need a rod, a line, a leader, and a
fly. A reel (any reel large enough) would help a lot, but it's not
absolutely essential for the trout fishing you'll be doing. (Sierras,
right?)

Don't fall into the trap of gear-whoredom, Dan. You will never recover.

P.S. Although you only need "a fly" at any one moment, I suggest you
take some spares. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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You mean that those who told me that 90 percent of the sport is the acquisition
of things are wrong? And I've enjoyed it so much more since my closet has been
filling up.

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Lat705 wrote:
You mean that those who told me that 90 percent of the sport is the acquisition
of things are wrong? And I've enjoyed it so much more since my closet has been
filling up.

They're not necessarily wrong. It depends on your priorities. It's much
easier to collect gear than actually to go out and catch some trout;
and, if you have the right temperment and personality, it might even be
more rewarding.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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RW,

Since my total gear at this point is one (30 year old and paid for IIRC, my
mother) $25 rod and one (not here yet and cost well under $100) Hardy reel,
I think I have the urge to just accumulate gear reasonably under control. My
initial post in fact, at least on this subject, was in the hopes of being
able to use one reel on two rods.

However, I do take your point, which is, if I have understood you correctly,
that the key point is to get out and fish. I am working on that part of the
plan right now.

Cheers - Dan

"rw" wrote in message news:RSuyb.20709
There's a quaint and, IMO, effete tendency among flyfishers to suppose
that gear is, if not everything, then maybe upwards of 90% of
everything. Gear matters little, the opinions of ROFF's self-proclaimed
gear whores notwithstanding. You'll need a rod, a line, a leader, and a
fly. A reel (any reel large enough) would help a lot, but it's not
absolutely essential for the trout fishing you'll be doing. (Sierras,
right?)

Don't fall into the trap of gear-whoredom, Dan. You will never recover.

P.S. Although you only need "a fly" at any one moment, I suggest you
take some spares. :-)

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"Dan" lose wrote in message
...

.....And yes, Mr Miller's advice did seem good.

Famous last words. :(

Wolfgang

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"Dan" lose wrote in message
...

.....My initial post in fact, at least on this subject, was in the hopes
of
being able to use one reel on two rods.

Difficult, in my estimation.....and especially so for a neophyte.....but if
you're not drinking, smoking, eating, scratching your ass, or doing other
things too unsavory to be mentioned even on this forum at the same
time....doable.....maybe.

Wolfgang
who, when all is said and done, still admires ambition.

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:43:36 -0800, "Dan" lose
wrote:

RW,

Since my total gear at this point is one (30 year old and paid for IIRC, my
mother) $25 rod and one (not here yet and cost well under $100) Hardy reel,
I think I have the urge to just accumulate gear reasonably under control. My
initial post in fact, at least on this subject, was in the hopes of being
able to use one reel on two rods.

However, I do take your point, which is, if I have understood you correctly,
that the key point is to get out and fish. I am working on that part of the
plan right now.

Cheers - Dan

Simple answer to a simple question -- it'll be suitable for a 9' - 6
wt. no problem.. Most Hardy reels tend to be a bit optimistic on
their line rating so using a #7 on a six weight would be quite
typical.

Peter

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Dan wrote:

However, I do take your point, which is, if I have understood you correctly,
that the key point is to get out and fish. I am working on that part of the
plan right now.

That's very close to my point, and I commend you on your purpose of mind.

More to the point I was trying to make is that flyfishermen, and
especially newbie flyfishermen, should avoid obsessing about gear,
unless, of course, their true avocation is to become gear whores.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Thanks, Peter. And if it is not trespassing on your patience, perhaps you
could answer another. If a manufacturer says a rod is a 5/6 weight, does
that mean it lies between the two weights or does it refer to a various
kinds of lines?

Dan

"Peter Charles" wrote

Simple answer to a simple question -- it'll be suitable for a 9' - 6
wt. no problem.. Most Hardy reels tend to be a bit optimistic on
their line rating so using a #7 on a six weight would be quite
typical.

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:55:27 -0800, "Dan" lose
wrote:

Thanks, Peter. And if it is not trespassing on your patience, perhaps you
could answer another. If a manufacturer says a rod is a 5/6 weight, does
that mean it lies between the two weights or does it refer to a various
kinds of lines?


The conventional answer is that the rod takes either a DT-5 or a WF-6
but that sometimes proves not to be true in practice. Preference also
plays a part as one might like a rod with a six while another prefers
it with a five. I've also cast multi-rated rods where they weren't
even close on one end of the range. The best that can be said with
certainty about these rods -- they aren't too fussy about what you put
on them. Novice casters should line it with the higher weight as it
will probably make it more forgiving to cast. With the higher weight
line, they will also more easily feel the rod load. If you're
planning on buying a 5/6, go with the WF-6.

Peter

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:33:51 GMT, "Wayne"
wrote:

You can go up or down one fairly easily with a change of spools (line
should
match rod). However, balancing the reel size and weight to the rod is
much
more desirable and contributes extensively to proper gearwhoring.
--

I can see a bit of logic to the weight issue, tho given 3 - 4 oz
rods and sub-pound reels I think that it's overstated, but I
don't understand the bit about reel size, as long as it holds
the line & backing I (think I) need.

Note the crucial phrase "contributes extensively to proper gearwhoring".
Your mistake, I think, is in believing this has something to do with fly
fishing.

Wolfgang

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Hi Dan,

If you buy a 9' #5 line 4 piece fly rod it will be OK with your reel. The
JLH is a very light series.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Dan" lose wrote in message
...

I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing. I have a 7
weight Hardy JLH Golden reel winging its way towards me from England to
use
on my old Fenwick 7 weight glass fibre rod. I have also decided to look
for
a cheap multi-piece travel rod to allow me to fish when hiking, and it
would
be nice if I could use the same reel. So, what is the lightest rod I could
get away with using the Hardy reel on? I know one has to match line weight
and rod weight, but does one absolutely have to match the reel to the rod
and line? Since everyone seems to say that 4, 5 and 6 weight rods are
right
for trout, I was thinking that maybe I could get a 5 weight rod but only
if
I can use the 7 weight reel on it.

Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

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Hi Steve,

I am about half crazy with this cold and sinus crap. I have been off for
almost a week and I think I am headed to the doctor for some drugs.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"rw" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Dan wrote:
I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing.

Just take a deep breath, relax, and go fishing with whatever gear you
have available. The very best advice you've gotten, that I've noticed,
came from Jeff Miller.

Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

It wouldn't hurt.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Peter,

Help me out here before everyone jumps on me. What I am actually trying to
ascertain is this: what is the lowest weight of (travel) rod I can buy that
will allow me to use the 7 weight reel I have (which I bought to match my
old fiberglass rod). I would like to buy a 5 weight travel rod (since I have
been given to understand that is a the best "all-round" weight for trout),
but if that will require me to buy a new reel, I will get a 6 weight travel
rod instead.

If reels dont actually need to match rod weight at all, why do they oput
numbers on them?

Dan

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
The conventional answer is that the rod takes either a DT-5 or a WF-6
but that sometimes proves not to be true in practice. Preference also
plays a part as one might like a rod with a six while another prefers
it with a five. I've also cast multi-rated rods where they weren't
even close on one end of the range. The best that can be said with
certainty about these rods -- they aren't too fussy about what you put
on them. Novice casters should line it with the higher weight as it
will probably make it more forgiving to cast. With the higher weight
line, they will also more easily feel the rod load. If you're
planning on buying a 5/6, go with the WF-6.

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Dan wrote:

Peter,

Help me out here before everyone jumps on me. What I am actually trying to
ascertain is this: what is the lowest weight of (travel) rod I can buy that
will allow me to use the 7 weight reel I have (which I bought to match my
old fiberglass rod). I would like to buy a 5 weight travel rod (since I have
been given to understand that is a the best "all-round" weight for trout),
but if that will require me to buy a new reel, I will get a 6 weight travel
rod instead.

If reels dont actually need to match rod weight at all, why do they oput
numbers on them?

Reels in most trout fishing situation basically are just holds of line.
In almost every trout fishing situation, a cheap 20 reel is going to be
just as good as a $500 reel. It won't look as good and it won't last as
long. Since the reel isn't part of the cast like it is in spin or bait
casting, it basically just holds line. You don't need a high priced
drag, a click and pawl reel will be just fine.

The weight of the reel does play a small part in casting but isn't
really very important. Personally, I like a reel that is as light as
possible.Your seven weight reel will work fine on a five weight, but
will be a little heavy.

However, since you will be using a lighter line on it with the five
weight rod, you'll need another spool. It might be cheaper and better
for you at this point to buy an inexpensive reel to fit your five
weight. I fished for years with a cheap $20 reel until the gears finally
wore out. Never felt my fishing was handicapped by it.

Willi

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"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
Peter,

Help me out here before everyone jumps on me. What I am actually trying to
ascertain is this: what is the lowest weight of (travel) rod I can buy
that
will allow me to use the 7 weight reel I have (which I bought to match my
old fiberglass rod). I would like to buy a 5 weight travel rod (since I
have
been given to understand that is a the best "all-round" weight for trout),
but if that will require me to buy a new reel, I will get a 6 weight
travel
rod instead.

If reels dont actually need to match rod weight at all, why do they oput
numbers on them?

Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding capacity
(bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on reels mean
absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about balancing a reel and
rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to demonstrate. Choose any
rod, reel, and line combination. Practice casting for a few minutes with
say, ten feet of line out, paying close attention to how it feels. Then, do
the same with thirty feet of line out. If the idiocy of notions about
balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil
painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on
specious "reasoning".

A common sense approach is your best bet. A six foot 2 weight rod doesn't
require a reel capable of holding a 12 weight line and 200 yards of backing.
Conversely, a 12 weight rod used in pursuit of tarpon is pretty much useless
when paired with a reel that will barely hold a 2 weight WF line sans
backing.

Wolfgang

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Bill Kiene wrote:
Hi Steve,

I am about half crazy with this cold and sinus crap. I have been off for
almost a week and I think I am headed to the doctor for some drugs.

That is a serious bummer, Bill. Take care of yourself. Maybe you have
the flu, which I hear is shaping up to be especially bad this winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. com...
Hi Dan,

If you buy a 9' #5 line 4 piece fly rod it will be OK with your reel. The
JLH is a very light series.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Dan" lose wrote in message
...

I am still baffled by the whole line/rod/reel weight thing. I have a 7
weight Hardy JLH Golden reel winging its way towards me from England to
use
on my old Fenwick 7 weight glass fibre rod. I have also decided to look
for
a cheap multi-piece travel rod to allow me to fish when hiking, and it
would
be nice if I could use the same reel. So, what is the lightest rod I
could
get away with using the Hardy reel on? I know one has to match line
weight
and rod weight, but does one absolutely have to match the reel to the
rod
and line? Since everyone seems to say that 4, 5 and 6 weight rods are
right
for trout, I was thinking that maybe I could get a 5 weight rod but only
if
I can use the 7 weight reel on it.

Dan (who is beginning to think about making a trip to Sacramento just to
talk to Bill Kiene in person.)

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"rw" wrote in message
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Lat705 wrote:
You mean that those who told me that 90 percent of the sport is the
acquisition
of things are wrong? And I've enjoyed it so much more since my closet
has been
filling up.

They're not necessarily wrong. It depends on your priorities. It's much
easier to collect gear than actually to go out and catch some trout;
and, if you have the right temperment and personality, it might even be
more rewarding.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I was told by one of the snobbiest fly shops in town once that you should "
buy the best line money can buy, buy the best rod you can afford, and , buy
whatever reel you can with the money you have left". I promptly ignored
that advice and went straight to gear whoredom.

jh

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rw wrote:

Bill Kiene wrote:

Hi Steve,

I am about half crazy with this cold and sinus crap. I have been off for
almost a week and I think I am headed to the doctor for some drugs.


That is a serious bummer, Bill. Take care of yourself. Maybe you have
the flu, which I hear is shaping up to be especially bad this winter.


It's hit hard here in CO. A young man that works for me goes to a high
school with 1500 students. 1200 were absent one day last week.

Willi

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"Willi" wrote

It's hit hard here in CO. A young man that works for me goes to a high
school with 1500 students. 1200 were absent one day last week.

good lord. that's amazing. know anything about the details of the
disease?

they ought to collect dna samples from the 300 "survivors" and run a
study. maybe wolfgang could clone them. or something like that. :)

yfitons
wayno

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"Willi" wrote in message
...


rw wrote:

Bill Kiene wrote:

Hi Steve,

I am about half crazy with this cold and sinus crap. I have been off
for
almost a week and I think I am headed to the doctor for some drugs.


That is a serious bummer, Bill. Take care of yourself. Maybe you have
the flu, which I hear is shaping up to be especially bad this winter.


It's hit hard here in CO. A young man that works for me goes to a high
school with 1500 students. 1200 were absent one day last week.

That would be Saturday, right?

--riverman

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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:21:38 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:

maybe wolfgang could clone them.

Yeah, and maybe the guy at Radio Shack could build them a spaceship.
g
--
Charlie...

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Willi" wrote in message
...


It's hit hard here in CO. A young man that works for me goes to a high
school with 1500 students. 1200 were absent one day last week.

That would be Saturday, right?

--riverman



I was thinking Thursday

jh

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:21:38 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:

maybe wolfgang could clone them.

Yeah, and maybe the guy at Radio Shack could build them a spaceship.
g
--
Charlie...

why, sure, uncle charlie! then the both of them could be launched into
the stars, to give birth to a new, better world; a world without disease,
dissension, cynicism, caustic remarks to clueless newbies...um, well, maybe
not.

yfitons
wayno ("sailing mother nature's silver seed, to a new home in the sun...")
*after the goldrush*, by neil young.

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
If the idiocy of notions about
balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil
painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on
specious "reasoning".

Just have to vent your Nervous Nelly ****wit piehole I guess.

Dave

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
If the idiocy of notions about
balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil
painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on
specious "reasoning".

Just have to vent your Nervous Nelly ****wit piehole I guess.

Oh, you'll be guessing for a long, long time. :)

Wolfgang
the sun is settin' like molasses in the sky.

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"Dan" lose wrote in message ...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

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On 1 Dec 2003 18:28:00 -0800, (Mike Connor)
wrote:

"Dan" lose wrote in message ...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).


With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.



Peter

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Peter Charles wrote:



With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.


Me too. But the way you set it up, I also think if you repeatedly handed
them the same rod AND reel I think that most of them would believe they
are actually casting different rods.

Willi

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
om...
"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

Actually, I've always found questions impenetrable.....and answers
ludicrous. The trick, as you point out, is to match the correct selection
from column A to its mate from column B. The result is purported to be
illumination. Whole lotta darkness goin' on.

Wolfgang
who has found random selection to be generally as rewarding as any other
method. :)

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
On 1 Dec 2003 18:28:00 -0800, (Mike Connor)
wrote:

"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).


With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW),

Thank you.

would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.?

Hm......well, I've got a pretty good idea what an SPL 0 wt. must be but,
beyond the assumption that a Tibor Gulfstream is a fly reel.....and a heavy
one....I really don't know what it is.......um......do I get to pick which
ends it's on?

(Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.)

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that.....I already own a fifty dollar reel.

The size of reels do
matter --

I don't believe I ever suggested otherwise.

it's just a question of degree.

Yes, that's what I said.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods?

Of course. Gosh, that was easy.

I do.

Well, I should certainly hope so.

Wolfgang

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In article ,
(Mike Connor) wrote:

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

Are you sure about that? Really Really sure? I was sold a sth im c2
6-8 weight for stealhead and salmon fishing on the feather. A salmon
took my glo bug, and went for a run. The cassette came off and fell
into the water. I lost the fish, had to wait till all the line was out
so I could pull up the cassette from the bottom of the river.

It seems that when you are fishing for the salmon some 8 weight reels
will hold up like a champ (even my 5 weight hardy lrc lightweight help
up like a champ) while some bigger reels will just literally fall apart/

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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:20:25 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Of course. Gosh, that was easy.

I do.

Well, I should certainly hope so.

Wolfgang



Isn't it wonderful when we agree -- a rendition of Kum By Ya can't be
far behind.

Now let's work on that rod & reel balance thingie. :)

Peter

P.S. A gulfsteam is a honking big 14 wt. sal****er reel but then you
knew that already and was jus pulling my leg.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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.....A gulfsteam is a honking big 14 wt. sal****er reel but then you
knew that already and was jus pulling my leg.

Nope, didn't know that, but it's about what I assumed.

Wolfgang

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Peter Charles wrote in message . ..

With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.



Of course it would be silly to use a hopelessly overweight reel on any
rod, but that was not the question. You could still fish with such a
combination, ( assuming you can even get such a reel attached to the
reel seat, which is unlikely!).

Within "normal" limits, it does not matter which reel you use, or
whether you use one at all.

Your experiment might well result in the participants deciding that
they were using different rods. It is however entirely subjective, and
dependent on a number of factors.

Most problems with reels, at least in regard to the perceived weight,
arise because they are incorrectly attached to the rod, and thus
farther away from the rod hand than they should be.

You can test this quite easily. The further away from the reel you
grip your rod, the more "weight" you will perceive in use.

The closer your hand is to the reel, ( and assuming you do not
continuously allow your wrist to "break" uncontrollably), the less
"weight" you perceive. Even fairly large weight differences ( up to
several ounces), make little or no difference to the "balance" of the
gear, although of course the actual weight may indeed be greater.
"Balance" has in any case nothing at all to do with the actual weight
of any given set of equipment, but whether or not such equipment is
indeed compatible per se, for the task it is being expected to
accomplish.

In the majority of cases, the lightest reel suitable for the task at
hand is the best choice. Although if you need a reel with a lot of
backing capacity for instance, then you must perforce choose a larger,
and therefore heavier reel to start with.

Lastly, the ONLY fly-fishing equipment which is built to a set of
standard specifications, is the fly-line itself. The AFTM system
specifies these. No other tackle, rods, reels, or anything else, is
built to such specifications, and the "numbers" on such equipment are
merely abitrary recommendations from the manufacturers. There is
actually no such thing as a "standard" #8 reel for instance. Nor for
that matter a "standard" #8 rod!

All these numbers just confuse people anyway.

TL
MC