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Are riveted jon boats okay?
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote: I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. Riveted boats are just fine. Far less expensive than a 100% welded model - if you can even find one. Most flat-bottom jon boats (never seen any other kind) are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of water. NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. When shopping for one, it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or drag it to your fishing hole. Leaks? The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast the owner. Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some solvents may "attack" the sealant. Riveted seams can be more durable than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded seam, which has to be PERFECT. If a weld is not perfect, it can crack or even tear with repeated flexings. Have fun shopping! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote: I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. Just one more thing about limits in regards to seaworthiness ... This factor almost always depends on the operator's own seamanship/skill/boat-handling ability. I have seen folks in a 24ft Bayliner that could not handle 2 to 3-foot seas, trying to fish right alongside someone in a 14 foot aluminum "row-boat" (powered of course!) that was doing just fine. Again, never exceed your own limits. Most importantly, KNOW what your limits are!!!! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Mar 27, 4:50*am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop wrote: I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. *Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? *I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? *Thank you. Riveted boats are just fine. *Far less expensive than a 100% welded model - if you can even find one. *Most flat-bottom jon boats (never seen any other kind) *are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of water. *NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. *When shopping for one, it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or drag it to your fishing hole. Leaks? *The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast the owner. *Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some solvents may "attack" the sealant. *Riveted seams can be more durable than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded seam, which has to be PERFECT. *If a weld is not perfect, it can crack or even tear with repeated flexings. Have fun shopping! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. ======== I have had many riveted boats over the years, and never had any problems with leaks. I had a 12' jon boat that I hauled around on top of my truck. It was a great little boat for small waters. It was stable enough, but I wouldn't advise using them in really windy conditions. And if you are going to have small children in a jon boat, I would make sure they understand the "rules", and always wear the best suited life preserver for small children...check Coast Guard regulations and recommendations for child water safety devices. Have fun John B |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote: I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. Jon boats are definitely less tipsy than canoes....... The stability depends in large part on the size of the jon boat. In general, the larger the more stable. The most popular sizes are 12 and 14 feet. The bottom width is perhaps the most important dimension--again, the wider the the more stable. I sometimes use a 14 footer with 36" bottom and 54" beam (width across the sides). It is plenty stable for seated fishing, but you risk taking a dunk if you stand. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
"jmDesktop" wrote in message ... On Mar 27, 4:50 am, wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop wrote: I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. Riveted boats are just fine. Far less expensive than a 100% welded model - if you can even find one. Most flat-bottom jon boats (never seen any other kind) are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of water. NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. When shopping for one, it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or drag it to your fishing hole. Leaks? The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast the owner. Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some solvents may "attack" the sealant. Riveted seams can be more durable than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded seam, which has to be PERFECT. If a weld is not perfect, it can crack or even tear with repeated flexings. Have fun shopping! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks. You want at least a 14' boat. The 12' boats are very common, but do not carry as much weight and are not as seaworthy. My 14' Valco was about 12# more than the 12' model, but had about 170# extra cargo capacity. I had rivets leak. You can reset the rivets or replace them, and can even cover the bottom with Gluvit if lots are leaking. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
"jmDesktop" wrote in message
... I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. Jon boat is a pretty generic term. I've got a 16 footer I stand up and bass fish out of all day long. Bigger is better for stability. Mine's pretty darn wide, but its also rated for 50HP, so its probably not really what you are asking about. An jon should be more stable than most canoes. If you already have a canoe though you might consider a canoe stabilizer. Basically a set of floats off to each side of the canoe rigidly mounted to it. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:16:36 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote: On Mar 27, 4:50*am, wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop wrote: I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. *Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? *I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? *Thank you. Riveted boats are just fine. *Far less expensive than a 100% welded model - if you can even find one. *Most flat-bottom jon boats (never seen any other kind) *are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of water. *NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. *When shopping for one, it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or drag it to your fishing hole. Leaks? *The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast the owner. *Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some solvents may "attack" the sealant. *Riveted seams can be more durable than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded seam, which has to be PERFECT. *If a weld is not perfect, it can crack or even tear with repeated flexings. Have fun shopping! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks. Jim, as the others have stated, they are far more stable than a canoe. They are pretty much ideal for young "fisher-folk" in that you are pretty close to the water, and what kid isn't enthralled with the water? If the waters that you plan on fishing in are cold, some type of floor matting is suggested to keep your feet from getting cold - I used to fish in Lake Huron in the spring (14ft aluminum boat), literally pushing small ice floes away from the boat, and my feet were constantly cold on that bare metal bottom. As "John B" stated, you have to make SURE that the kids KNOW THE RULES. And, since they sometimes forget, and may lean too far to the side, one of your responsibilities as Captain is to use your superior weight and sense of balance to keep the vessel on an even keel. I have to disagree with "Da Chief" on the sinking part - most of today's boats have foam-filled bench seats that will keep the boat afloat, (not necessarily totally above water, but off of the bottom of the lake anyway) even if you manage to swamp it.....provided of course that you don't have it loaded with a BUNCH of gear. Even if the seats are not foam-filled, you can have them filled by almost any company that installs spray-in expanding foam insulation. Here is a link to a 14ft Tracker that is offered by Bass Pro - http://www.trackerboats.com/boat/gallery.cfm?boat=2863 (trailer shown is not included, but an option) BTW ..... A hearty Thank You for introducing a Kid to fishing!!! -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? *Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I saw a guy in a jon boat try to sit on his ice chest in the center of the boat facing to the side. When he sat on the ice chest it slide backwards and the boat just rolled over and pitched him in the water. He came up and jumped back in so fast it was pretty comical. I would buy a two or three man molded "pontoon" type boat before I would ever buy another jon boat. You can stand on the edge of one of those things and they won't flip. They don't leak either. Put a trolling motor and battery on them and off you go. They also fit in the back of a pickup better IMHO. Just don't drag them across concrete. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Mar 28, 11:52*am, will_gamble wrote:
Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? *Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I saw a guy in a jon boat try to sit on his ice chest in the center of the boat facing to the side. *When he sat on the ice chest it slide backwards and the boat just rolled over and pitched him in the water. He came up and jumped back in so fast it was pretty comical. I would buy a two or three man molded "pontoon" type boat before I would ever buy another jon boat. *You can stand on the edge of one of those things and they won't flip. *They don't leak either. *Put a trolling motor and battery on them and off you go. *They also fit in the back of a pickup better IMHO. Just don't drag them across concrete. Do you have a link to that kind of boat? I can't find molded pontoon boat. Thanks. |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
Da Chief wrote:
snip Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks. If you already have a canoe, there are companies that make outrigger type devices that can prevent children from tipping you. Use google for more; http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_stabilizer.htm even has a picture of someone doing a headstand... which reminds me of this; http://www.chicagopaddling/org/potc/Marge2a.jpg Marge passed away last year but was famous for doing headstands in canoes while whitewater canoeing, we don't all have her sense of balance... -- John Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell) |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
Da Chief wrote: snip Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks. If you already have a canoe, there are companies that make outrigger type devices that can prevent children from tipping you. Use google for more; http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm Those are canoe training wheels :-) A very small child can't tip a John boat, if an adult is sitting in it, but always put a FD on all children in boats -- SpecTastic Wiggle Rig, Fishing lure remote control See lure video you won't believe http://ezknot.com/videos.html |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
On Mar 29, 1:52*pm, jmDesktop wrote:
On Mar 28, 11:52*am, will_gamble wrote: Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old? You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? *Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I saw a guy in a jon boat try to sit on his ice chest in the center of the boat facing to the side. *When he sat on the ice chest it slide backwards and the boat just rolled over and pitched him in the water. He came up and jumped back in so fast it was pretty comical. I would buy a two or three man molded "pontoon" type boat before I would ever buy another jon boat. *You can stand on the edge of one of those things and they won't flip. *They don't leak either. *Put a trolling motor and battery on them and off you go. *They also fit in the back of a pickup better IMHO. Just don't drag them across concrete. Do you have a link to that kind of boat? *I can't find molded pontoon boat. *Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here is an example. They are shorter, but much more stable side to side http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colem...tegoryid=66003 |
Are riveted jon boats okay?
leaking rivets are not a big deal. You can reset and tighten them (anvil of
some sort on one side, hammer and flat point punch on the other). On an older boat, a bigger issue is fatigue cracks, which tend to be where the transom is welded to the bottom, or on a bottom rib that may have been munched. Good welders on thin old aluminum aren't so easy to find. Get the largest boat you can handle, as far as launching, hauling, and what type of propulsion you'll be using. If you will be using oars, you don't want to go wider than a 36" bottom, but if you'll be using outboard or troller, I'd go a little wider. We stand and fish all the time in a 16X48 floating small rivers. BTW, the dimensions are usually stated as length-feet X bottom width-inches. Bill "jmDesktop" wrote in message ... I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank you. |
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