small spoon flies on trout
 

These look interesting.

http://www.nwmangum.com/spoonfly/index.html

Ever heard of using them in smaller sizes on trout?

Halfordian Golfer

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 5:50 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
These look interesting.

http://www.nwmangum.com/spoonfly/index.html

Ever heard of using them in smaller sizes on trout?

Halfordian Golfer

These and similar flies work very well indeed for trout. You may have
some problems in some places convincing whoever runs or controls the
fishery that they are indeed "flies".

http://www.ukswff.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=840

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 11:01*am, Mike wrote:
On Mar 29, 5:50 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

These look interesting.

http://www.nwmangum.com/spoonfly/index.html

Ever heard of using them in smaller sizes on trout?

Halfordian Golfer

These and similar flies work very well indeed for trout. You may have
some problems in some places convincing whoever runs or controls the
fishery that they are indeed "flies".

http://www.ukswff.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=840

TL
MC

Thanks Mike. I'm eager to tie some of these as a spring project and am
heading out in a bit to find the pearlescent mylar sheets, hopefully
the flyshop or hobby lobby has it. Seems like the TMC 2457 would be a
good choice? My thought was the hook weight is good for the smaller
sizes, I'm thinking #14's. Colorado has a very reasonable "flies and
lures only" policy on areas where it is an issue, so this hair-
splitting is completely avoided. I don't believe we have a 'flyfishing
only' designation anywhere.

Tim
http://www.epinions.com/review/Umpqu...t_409228840580

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 7:35 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:01 am, Mike wrote:



On Mar 29, 5:50 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

These look interesting.

http://www.nwmangum.com/spoonfly/index.html

Ever heard of using them in smaller sizes on trout?

Halfordian Golfer

These and similar flies work very well indeed for trout. You may have
some problems in some places convincing whoever runs or controls the
fishery that they are indeed "flies".

http://www.ukswff.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=840

TL
MC

Thanks Mike. I'm eager to tie some of these as a spring project and am
heading out in a bit to find the pearlescent mylar sheets, hopefully
the flyshop or hobby lobby has it. Seems like the TMC 2457 would be a
good choice? My thought was the hook weight is good for the smaller
sizes, I'm thinking #14's. Colorado has a very reasonable "flies and
lures only" policy on areas where it is an issue, so this hair-
splitting is completely avoided. I don't believe we have a 'flyfishing
only' designation anywhere.

Timhttp://www.epinions.com/review/Umpqua_Tiemco_Tmc_2457_Fly_Tying_Hooks....

In sizes below a size 10 LS ( at least 1X long 2X strong) or similar,
you will have problems. Not only with the material as such, but also
with the action in the water. Below a certain size, they just don´t
work very well, and will also twist your leader badly when casting and
retrieving. None of the small sizes I tried, with various materials
and techniques, worked. A half inch fly on a size 6 hook is about the
smallest you can go and still retain the proper action.

The Mustad 34007 is also a heavy wire stainless steel hook. The
smaller hooks in the usualy wire size prevent any proper "action" of
the spons, and just spin. They are also bad hookers.

Trout will take the larger sizes anyway, even up to two inches or more
long, so there is no real need to go any smaller. Nothing to stop you
trying it though.

If you merely want to try a spoon as such, on the fly rod, then in
small sizes the "fly-spoons" are probably your best bet. You may dress
a fly on the hooks or just use them as they are;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fly-Spoons-10-...QQcmdZViewItem

They are also easy to make.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
These look interesting.

http://www.nwmangum.com/spoonfly/index.html

Ever heard of using them in smaller sizes on trout?

Halfordian Golfer


I use them in warm water for Bass and especially Crappie. Never tried
it on trout, but I'm not much of a streamer guy.

I make mine differently. I use mylar tubing, which you probably have. I
tie on a tail of marabou, slide on the mylar tubing, tie it in at the
tail leaving a bit behind the tie in as a frayed skirt, then push the
rest of the tubing back toward the rear to make it flare out. Then tie
it in at the head. You can either then crimp it horizontal or vertical.
I often add either dumbell or bead chain eyes. You can coat it with
epoxy which is best but I'm usually lazy and just coat it with cement.

This picture is of the only one I could find done in a verticle
position. It was just lightly coated with regular cement:

http://crystalglen.net/Fishing/Spoonfly.jpg

Willi

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 9:29 pm, Willi wrote:


I use them in warm water for Bass and especially Crappie. Never tried
it on trout, but I'm not much of a streamer guy.

I make mine differently. I use mylar tubing, which you probably have. I
tie on a tail of marabou, slide on the mylar tubing, tie it in at the
tail leaving a bit behind the tie in as a frayed skirt, then push the
rest of the tubing back toward the rear to make it flare out. Then tie
it in at the head. You can either then crimp it horizontal or vertical.
I often add either dumbell or bead chain eyes. You can coat it with
epoxy which is best but I'm usually lazy and just coat it with cement.

This picture is of the only one I could find done in a verticle
position. It was just lightly coated with regular cement:

http://crystalglen.net/Fishing/Spoonfly.jpg

Willi

That´s an interesting variation from Willi, but it will have a
completely different action.

The original is here;

http://www.flyfishlouisiana.com/Spoon_fly_1.htm

The amount and position of lead is critical for the correct action,
and getting the fly just right is a finicky business. The fingernail/
epoxy spoons described in the URL above are much easier to make, and
work with just the weight of the epoxy in the concave fingernail. A
guy form Florida wrote me that he had lots of fish on them, and he
used hot melt glue instead of epoxy.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 2:44*pm, Mike wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:29 pm, Willi wrote:





I use them in warm water for Bass and especially Crappie. *Never tried
it on trout, but I'm not much of a streamer guy.

I make mine differently. I use mylar tubing, which you probably have. I
tie on a tail of marabou, slide on the mylar tubing, tie it in at the
tail leaving a bit behind the tie in as a frayed skirt, then push the
rest of the tubing back toward the rear to make it flare out. *Then tie
it in at the head. You can either then crimp it horizontal or *vertical.
I often add either dumbell or bead chain eyes. You can coat it with
epoxy which is best but I'm usually lazy and just coat it with cement.

This picture is of the only one I could find done in a verticle
position. *It was just lightly coated with regular cement:

http://crystalglen.net/Fishing/Spoonfly.jpg

Willi

That´s an interesting variation from Willi, but it will have a
completely different action.

The original is here;

http://www.flyfishlouisiana.com/Spoon_fly_1.htm

The amount and position of lead is critical for the correct action,
and getting the fly just right is a finicky business. *The fingernail/
epoxy spoons described in the URL above are much easier to make, and
work with just the weight of the epoxy in the concave fingernail. A
guy form Florida wrote me that he had lots of fish on them, and he
used hot melt glue instead of epoxy.

TL
MC

Thanks for the feedback you guys, great stuff.

I went out to get the stuff and was really, really saddened to find my
local fly shop, Two Guys Fly Shop, completely empty. Not sure what
happened but I wish all the best for those guys. I know one of the
brothers died a few years back, but I thought the store was doing
good.

Anyway, I have everything except the mylar sheet and, I guess, hooks
if I need to go a little larger. In terms of making some plain
colored, silver, would a mylar balloon work? I also picked up a
product called sparkle glaze to experiment with. They had some
interesting top glosses at Hobby Lobby, like pearlescent and stuff.
The sparkle glaze claims: Adds a clear iridescent sparkle. Also, not
sure if it was the right choice but, when I got the Sally Hansen's
hard-as-nails, I got the arcylic+nylon. Am guessing what I'll need in
the way of plastic for the thick layer assuming fairly stiff but
extremely thin, clear, sheet protectors.

Best regards,

Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 30, 12:39 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:


Anyway, I have everything except the mylar sheet and, I guess, hooks
if I need to go a little larger. In terms of making some plain
colored, silver, would a mylar balloon work? I also picked up a
product called sparkle glaze to experiment with. They had some
interesting top glosses at Hobby Lobby, like pearlescent and stuff.
The sparkle glaze claims: Adds a clear iridescent sparkle. Also, not
sure if it was the right choice but, when I got the Sally Hansen's
hard-as-nails, I got the arcylic+nylon. Am guessing what I'll need in
the way of plastic for the thick layer assuming fairly stiff but
extremely thin, clear, sheet protectors.

Best regards,

Tim

You can get the mylar tape and a lot of other similar stuff at more or
less any automobile accessory store ( "go -faster stripes" ! :) )

The mylar balloon material is too thin, and wont hold its shape.

You can use ordinary epoxy to coat the flies.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 5:54*pm, Mike wrote:
On Mar 30, 12:39 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Anyway, I have everything except the mylar sheet and, I guess, hooks
if I need to go a little larger. In terms of making some plain
colored, silver, would a mylar balloon work? I also picked up a
product called sparkle glaze to experiment with. They had some
interesting top glosses at Hobby Lobby, like pearlescent and stuff.
The sparkle glaze claims: Adds a clear iridescent sparkle. Also, not
sure if it was the right choice but, when I got the Sally Hansen's
hard-as-nails, I got the arcylic+nylon. Am guessing what I'll need in
the way of plastic for the thick layer assuming fairly stiff but
extremely thin, clear, sheet protectors.

Best regards,

Tim

You can get the mylar tape and a lot of other similar stuff at more or
less any automobile accessory store ( "go -faster stripes" ! :) * )

The mylar balloon material is too thin, and wont hold its shape.

You can use ordinary epoxy to coat the flies.

TL
MC

Thanks Mike. I'll check it out. The original instructions suggested
the hard-as-nails over the epoxy for a nice finish...so I got it.
You're right, probably don't need it. This site has good pearlescent
and reflective tape: http://www.sal****erflies.com/catalog2.html#pearlsheet

Fun.

Thanks,

Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 5:54*pm, Mike wrote:
On Mar 30, 12:39 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Anyway, I have everything except the mylar sheet and, I guess, hooks
if I need to go a little larger. In terms of making some plain
colored, silver, would a mylar balloon work? I also picked up a
product called sparkle glaze to experiment with. They had some
interesting top glosses at Hobby Lobby, like pearlescent and stuff.
The sparkle glaze claims: Adds a clear iridescent sparkle. Also, not
sure if it was the right choice but, when I got the Sally Hansen's
hard-as-nails, I got the arcylic+nylon. Am guessing what I'll need in
the way of plastic for the thick layer assuming fairly stiff but
extremely thin, clear, sheet protectors.

Best regards,

Tim

You can get the mylar tape and a lot of other similar stuff at more or
less any automobile accessory store ( "go -faster stripes" ! :) * )

The mylar balloon material is too thin, and wont hold its shape.

You can use ordinary epoxy to coat the flies.

TL
MC

The thought on the thin mylar was that, when attached to the clear
plastic sheet it really serves only to provide the color and
underlying shades/patterns to the fly, that the plastic sheet is what
holds its shape.

Made me wonder about just cutting the shape out of a red plastic
picnic plate and epoxying over that for red ones at least (because I
have some red ones in the pantry).

Halfordian Golfer

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 30, 2:43 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Mar 29, 5:54 pm, Mike wrote:



On Mar 30, 12:39 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

Anyway, I have everything except the mylar sheet and, I guess, hooks
if I need to go a little larger. In terms of making some plain
colored, silver, would a mylar balloon work? I also picked up a
product called sparkle glaze to experiment with. They had some
interesting top glosses at Hobby Lobby, like pearlescent and stuff.
The sparkle glaze claims: Adds a clear iridescent sparkle. Also, not
sure if it was the right choice but, when I got the Sally Hansen's
hard-as-nails, I got the arcylic+nylon. Am guessing what I'll need in
the way of plastic for the thick layer assuming fairly stiff but
extremely thin, clear, sheet protectors.

Best regards,

Tim

You can get the mylar tape and a lot of other similar stuff at more or
less any automobile accessory store ( "go -faster stripes" ! :) )

The mylar balloon material is too thin, and wont hold its shape.

You can use ordinary epoxy to coat the flies.

TL
MC

The thought on the thin mylar was that, when attached to the clear
plastic sheet it really serves only to provide the color and
underlying shades/patterns to the fly, that the plastic sheet is what
holds its shape.

Made me wonder about just cutting the shape out of a red plastic
picnic plate and epoxying over that for red ones at least (because I
have some red ones in the pantry).

Halfordian Golfer

Actually, practically anything that will hold its shape, even thin
card, will work, as the epoxy will protect it quite well. You just
have to make sure you cover it well.

The only other problem with some of the very thin material is getting
it to stick to anything properly. Some plastics wont work very well
either, the epoxy doesn´t stick to them very well.

I cut some plastic shapes from washing-up-liquid bottles which worked
quite well, but some others I tried didn´t. You have to try them
before you commit to dressing any flies with them.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

The ones I tried with double-sided adhesive tape came apart very
quickly in the water. I did try to coat the edges of the flies with
epoxy, but it obviously was not enough to waterproof them.

One may also make the "spoons" up first, just spread the epoxy on the
thich paper, or card, and complete the rest later. If you use nail
varnish, glitter, etc ,then you don´t need the metallised tape.

Now, I use my own fingernail patterns, as they are easy to make, and
very successful.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 29, 8:02 pm, Mike wrote:
The ones I tried with double-sided adhesive tape came apart very
quickly in the water. I did try to coat the edges of the flies with
epoxy, but it obviously was not enough to waterproof them.

One may also make the "spoons" up first, just spread the epoxy on the
thich paper, or card, and complete the rest later. If you use nail
varnish, glitter, etc ,then you don´t need the metallised tape.

Now, I use my own fingernail patterns, as they are easy to make, and
very successful.

TL
MC

ordered several from the link above. Will delay tying but will
probably be the right stuff. Will let you know how it goes. The site
had s sveveral choices. Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Mar 30, 9:11 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Mar 29, 8:02 pm, Mike wrote:

The ones I tried with double-sided adhesive tape came apart very
quickly in the water. I did try to coat the edges of the flies with
epoxy, but it obviously was not enough to waterproof them.

One may also make the "spoons" up first, just spread the epoxy on the
thich paper, or card, and complete the rest later. If you use nail
varnish, glitter, etc ,then you don´t need the metallised tape.

Now, I use my own fingernail patterns, as they are easy to make, and
very successful.

TL
MC

ordered several from the link above. Will delay tying but will
probably be the right stuff. Will let you know how it goes. The site
had s sveveral choices. Tim

Howdy Mike,

The brown truck just left me this and I'm VERY pleased. The first
thing was that they stuck a very good bumper sticker in the box "Got
Backing?". The second is that they sent an additional little bag
marked "samples". I'm glad because the Blue and Pearl in there is
something I should have had on the original order. What was included
were a half dozen packages of various "WTP Decorator Tape". Dude (and
I apologize for using the word "dude", sir, just that I'm from "The
People's Republic of Boulder" and it has slipped in to my lexicon)
this stuff is amazing. Super prismatic/holographic/pearlescent or
whatever the word is to describe whatever the heck that is. Seems like
a great product and I really dig the service from http://www.sal****erflies.com.

Best,

Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 5, 4:31 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

Super prismatic/holographic/pearlescent or
whatever the word is to describe whatever the heck that is. Seems like
a great product and I really dig the service fromhttp://www.sal****erflies..com.

Best,

Tim

Indeed, they have a good reputation with some sal****er guys here as
well. Due to the exchange rate, more and more people are ordering
stuff from America.

Have fun dressing the flies!

( Dude actually means something else here, " A man who is much
concerned with his dress and appearance" it would not normally be seen
as an informal mode of address, but I don´t mind, I have been called a
lot worse! :) )

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 5, 9:29 am, Mike wrote:
On Apr 5, 4:31 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

Super prismatic/holographic/pearlescent or

whatever the word is to describe whatever the heck that is. Seems like
a great product and I really dig the service fromhttp://www.sal****erflies.com.

Best,

Tim

Indeed, they have a good reputation with some sal****er guys here as
well. Due to the exchange rate, more and more people are ordering
stuff from America.

Have fun dressing the flies!

( Dude actually means something else here, " A man who is much
concerned with his dress and appearance" it would not normally be seen
as an informal mode of address, but I don´t mind, I have been called a
lot worse! :) )

TL
MC

These things look deadly and are really fun to tie. I admit that I
suck at them but I see a little improvement with each fly. I like the
silver/black combo. Can't wait to chuck these bad boys!

Here's the first attempt on #12's.

http://www.storycardsoftware.com/images/IMG_0552.jpg

Thanks for the support Mike!

Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 6, 3:54 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:


Here's the first attempt on #12's.

http://www.storycardsoftware.com/images/IMG_0552.jpg

Thanks for the support Mike!

Tim

They look really attractive. If you have the action right, I have no
doubt that they will be killing flies.

TL
MC

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 5, 8:15 pm, Mike wrote:
On Apr 6, 3:54 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Here's the first attempt on #12's.

http://www.storycardsoftware.com/images/IMG_0552.jpg

Thanks for the support Mike!

Tim

They look really attractive. If you have the action right, I have no
doubt that they will be killing flies.

TL
MC

Yeah, I can't wait to see how they work. Fly castable spoons. Awesome.
I messed around with a few variations to see what works out. With and
without eyes, one has lead eyes, one has no eyes...etc.

Best regards,

Tim

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 5, 8:15 pm, Mike wrote:
On Apr 6, 3:54 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Here's the first attempt on #12's.

http://www.storycardsoftware.com/images/IMG_0552.jpg

Thanks for the support Mike!

Tim

They look really attractive. If you have the action right, I have no
doubt that they will be killing flies.

TL
MC

Took them for a spin,

http://www.executablerequirements.co...ril102008.html

Your pal,

TBone

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

Took them for a spin,

http://www.executablerequirements.co...ril102008.html

Nice looking flies. How did you fish them? With redfish I let the fly sink and
then do a slow short strip retrieve, like a crab imitation.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Apr 15, 9:06 am, Charlie Choc
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

Took them for a spin,

http://www.executablerequirements.co...ril102008.html

Nice looking flies. How did you fish them? With redfish I let the fly sink and
then do a slow short strip retrieve, like a crab imitation.
--
Charlie...http://www.chocphoto.com

Exactly. Using a DT6F 10' leader tapered to 4X.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

small spoon flies on trout
 

Charlie Choc wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

Took them for a spin,

http://www.executablerequirements.co...ril102008.html

Nice looking flies. How did you fish them? With redfish I let the fly sink and
then do a slow short strip retrieve, like a crab imitation.


Charlie,

You know how to catch Redfish?

I'd like to do that.

Kayaks?

Times, Places????

Willi

small spoon flies on trout
 

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 5, 8:15 pm, Mike wrote:
On Apr 6, 3:54 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Here's the first attempt on #12's.
http://www.storycardsoftware.com/images/IMG_0552.jpg
Thanks for the support Mike!
Tim
They look really attractive. If you have the action right, I have no
doubt that they will be killing flies.

TL
MC

Took them for a spin,

http://www.executablerequirements.co...ril102008.html

Your pal,

TBone


Nice flies. With the warm days we've been having the lake fishing should
be REALLY picking up.

Willi

small spoon flies on trout
 

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:18:29 -0600, Willi Loehman wrote:

You know how to catch Redfish?

I've caught a few in the Florida Gulf from my kayak and even wading. The times I
have fished for them it's been warm and they were in shallow water, tailing or
just cruising around, and I fished for them similar to the way you fish for
bonefish - although redfish don't seem as spooky to me. I've also fished for
them on the Atlantic coast near Savannah, but it's been a while. Jeff Miller has
some good fishing for them up by his place, I understand.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com