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It seems that regardless of how much stuff you have or how you plan to
transport it, the question of "what to take, what to leave behind" plagues
all fishing trips.

I offer that it's actually easier to make the choice when going on a
backpack than when towing the house behind you. Each year as I start to
gear up for the summer I go through the pile of stuff and find lots of " I
haven't used that once in the last couple years" junk .... clearly a "leave
behind" ... but it's oh so hard to leave behind when you can just tuck it
into a closet or someplace else out of the way "just in case."

I bought diesel today for $4.19.9/gal and even though a 10 pound item
tucked away won't affect mileage ... a bunch of them, together, might.
And, more important than ecomomy is the mental disclipline and clarity that
follows from 'sparseness.'

At this point I have a pretty damn big pile of quality fly fishing stuff I'd
give to the first person that saw it and said, " that's cool, I may get one
of those"

...... you might want to drop by my place G

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...more important than ecomomy is the mental disclipline and clarity that
follows from 'sparseness.'

Fallacy.

Sparseness could, theoretically, follow from mental discipline and
clarity.....not the other way around. In fact there's no good reason to
suppose a priori that it will work either way. Discipline and clarity
SHOULD result in taking just the right amount of stuff, however much or
little that might be......assuming you have a perfect grasp of every
contingency in advance.

Good luck with that.

Wolfgang
who won't bother to go into what a bit of experience should result in.

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"Wolfgang" wrote


Fallacy.

Sparseness could, theoretically, follow from mental discipline and
clarity.....not the other way around.

you are correct


......assuming you have a perfect grasp of every
contingency in advance.

Good luck with that.

When the trip is expected to last from late May until mid-Oct, it IS very
difficult to get that perfect grasp


who won't bother to go into what a bit of experience should result in.


Well, I've been trying to use my experience to make judgements, but it's not
always a clear indicator, to someone of my limited capacity

an example ( not that you give a **** ) .... I own two WaterMaster kickboats
and each of the last 5 summers I have taken both with me. I HAVE used
both at once a few times when I met other anglers that wanted to float a
river and work together on shuttle, once when a nice guy I met wanted to try
Hebgen, i.e. I loaned out the second one ... such times saved me money for
shuttle, and added companionship to the day,.... thus "take the extra one"
seems to follow experience. But, the last two trips I've never taken the
second one out of the truck ... so "leave the extra one home" also makes
sense, based on experience.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote


Fallacy.

Sparseness could, theoretically, follow from mental discipline and
clarity.....not the other way around.

you are correct

Maybe. I think I could probably make a good case for the opposition.

......assuming you have a perfect grasp of every
contingency in advance.

Good luck with that.

When the trip is expected to last from late May until mid-Oct, it IS very
difficult to get that perfect grasp

Evidently. However, you've got a nice chunk of free time coming up to
devote to a solution to the conundrum. Why not sit at home in front of the
computer (thus instantly eliminating the problem of how to keep it charged
on the road) from late May until mid October or thereabouts and work out
some nice sophisticated models?

who won't bother to go into what a bit of experience should result in.


Well, I've been trying to use my experience to make judgements, but it's
not always a clear indicator, to someone of my limited capacity

"Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient
evidence" says Samuel Butler. I've never known a dead man to post two or
more new threads to ROFF in a single day. Your continued presence here
suggests that your problem looms rather larger in your mind than may be
justified.

an example ( not that you give a **** ) ....

Well, you just never know about something like that, ainna?

I own two WaterMaster kickboats and each of the last 5 summers I have
taken both with me. I HAVE used both at once a few times when I met
other anglers that wanted to float a river and work together on shuttle,
once when a nice guy I met wanted to try Hebgen, i.e. I loaned out the
second one ... such times saved me money for shuttle, and added
companionship to the day,.... thus "take the extra one" seems to follow
experience. But, the last two trips I've never taken the second one
out of the truck ... so "leave the extra one home" also makes sense, based
on experience.

Yeah, that's a poser, that is. Here's what I'd do. Based on the discussion
thus far, I'd assume that simplification, minimization, space and weight are
paramount considerations. Leave the spare boat. Hell, leave both.
Walk.....wade.....sit down on a rock and look around. Listen. Smell the
moss on the rotting wood.

Wolfgang

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Larry L wrote:

an example ( not that you give a **** ) .... I own two WaterMaster kickboats
and each of the last 5 summers I have taken both with me. I HAVE used
both at once a few times when I met other anglers that wanted to float a
river and work together on shuttle, once when a nice guy I met wanted to try
Hebgen, i.e. I loaned out the second one ... such times saved me money for
shuttle, and added companionship to the day,.... thus "take the extra one"
seems to follow experience. But, the last two trips I've never taken the
second one out of the truck ... so "leave the extra one home" also makes
sense, based on experience.

Someone has to tell you this, Larry.

Taking an extra kickboat that you probably won't use is way over the top.

As far as taking or not taking nonessential (or sometimes even
essential) stuff, I depend on the kindness of strangers. :-) It never
fails unless you're in some wilderness, and more often than not leads to
an interesting acquaintance.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote


Someone has to tell you this, Larry.

Taking an extra kickboat that you probably won't use is way over the top.



hehe, thanks, rw, I needed that

... what do you think about bringing two 6wts when I always fish the same
4wt or rarely a 5wt ? :-)

fwiw, the extra WaterMaster fits in one of the dog boxes on my truck and I
never notice it's there ... one of the cool things about them is how
packable they are ....

after our thread back a while about Hebgen gulpers I thought maybe you'd
want to come over and try them and I'd loan you a boat ... ... but it will
be in California G

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:42:00 -0700, rw
wrote:

Larry L wrote:

an example ( not that you give a **** ) .... I own two WaterMaster kickboats
and each of the last 5 summers I have taken both with me. I HAVE used
both at once a few times when I met other anglers that wanted to float a
river and work together on shuttle, once when a nice guy I met wanted to try
Hebgen, i.e. I loaned out the second one ... such times saved me money for
shuttle, and added companionship to the day,.... thus "take the extra one"
seems to follow experience. But, the last two trips I've never taken the
second one out of the truck ... so "leave the extra one home" also makes
sense, based on experience.

Someone has to tell you this, Larry.

Taking an extra kickboat that you probably won't use is way over the top.

As far as taking or not taking nonessential (or sometimes even
essential) stuff, I depend on the kindness of strangers. :-)

Well, of course you do, Scarlett - just like the original Scarlett, once
anyone becomes familiar enough with ya, they don't wanna hang around
long enough for you to borrow anything from them...

It never fails unless you're in some wilderness, and more often than not leads to
an interesting acquaintance.

Ah...so when are you and Rhett tying the knot...? Lordy, lordy, it's
gonna be like the Carol Burnett Show....Harvey Korman and Tim Conway,
um, doing "Gone with Brokewind Mountin'"

Yeah, I know,
Dickie

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:02 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

It seems that regardless of how much stuff you have or how you plan to
transport it, the question of "what to take, what to leave behind" plagues
all fishing trips.

I offer that it's actually easier to make the choice when going on a
backpack than when towing the house behind you. Each year as I start to
gear up for the summer I go through the pile of stuff and find lots of " I
haven't used that once in the last couple years" junk .... clearly a "leave
behind" ... but it's oh so hard to leave behind when you can just tuck it
into a closet or someplace else out of the way "just in case."

I bought diesel today for $4.19.9/gal and even though a 10 pound item
tucked away won't affect mileage ... a bunch of them, together, might.
And, more important than ecomomy is the mental disclipline and clarity that
follows from 'sparseness.'

At this point I have a pretty damn big pile of quality fly fishing stuff I'd
give to the first person that saw it and said, " that's cool, I may get one
of those"

...... you might want to drop by my place G

Aw, hell, if you just inflate your tires to the maximum pressure recommended
by the car manufacturer, you'd likely negate any additional fuel usage
incurred by an extra hundred pounds or more of payload...

/daytripper

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
It seems that regardless of how much stuff you have or how you plan to
transport it, the question of "what to take, what to leave behind" plagues
all fishing trips.

I offer that it's actually easier to make the choice when going on a
backpack than when towing the house behind you. Each year as I start to
gear up for the summer I go through the pile of stuff and find lots of " I
haven't used that once in the last couple years" junk .... clearly a
"leave behind" ... but it's oh so hard to leave behind when you can just
tuck it into a closet or someplace else out of the way "just in case."

I bought diesel today for $4.19.9/gal and even though a 10 pound item
tucked away won't affect mileage ... a bunch of them, together, might.
And, more important than ecomomy is the mental disclipline and clarity
that follows from 'sparseness.'

At this point I have a pretty damn big pile of quality fly fishing stuff
I'd give to the first person that saw it and said, " that's cool, I may
get one of those"

It's a diesel, load it up if you have the space! The few hundred pounds you
might add in equipment will make little difference in mileage. Now if you
had that fat @ss pirate riding along and a couple of these other june bugs,
you would probably be stopping at every station... ;)

FWIW, I wish I had your troubles,
JT

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Larry L wrote:
"rw" wrote


Someone has to tell you this, Larry.

Taking an extra kickboat that you probably won't use is way over the top.




hehe, thanks, rw, I needed that

... what do you think about bringing two 6wts when I always fish the same
4wt or rarely a 5wt ? :-)

As a spare it sounds OK. A lot less room than a kickboat.

fwiw, the extra WaterMaster fits in one of the dog boxes on my truck and I
never notice it's there ... one of the cool things about them is how
packable they are ....

Just think of all the great stuff you could fit into that box -- like a
dog. :-)

I know, you're a jaded ex-dog-trainer, and the last thing you want along
is a dog.

I like traveling with a dog or two. It's a hassle, though.

after our thread back a while about Hebgen gulpers I thought maybe you'd
want to come over and try them and I'd loan you a boat ... ... but it will
be in California G

I'd have my own kickboat. I've fished Hegben twice -- once in Gherke's
old Gink Keeps it Up drift boat of Warren's (with Willi), and once in a
float tube. The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a motorized runabout.

When do you think you'll be there?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote


The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a motorized runabout.

When do you think you'll be there?



Agree on the boat ... it's a big place and sometimes it would be nice to get
to another part of it quickly ... the only Hebgen specialist guide I know
uses a Boston Whaler and about a 150hp motor. The fish tend to be pretty
damn noise/wave shy though and I've had better luck in a kickboat than in a
pram (my first all summer trip, five or six years back I took a 8 foot pram
AND two kickboats AND a float tube ... asadi's cowboy ain't got nothin on me
:-) mainly, I think, because of noise. Bob Lamm, a 'famous' guide I know
through the dog world, likes to take his clients out in a canoe ... he
paddles and positions, they fish, they catch fish ... looks like a good
system for the place, .... um, maybe a canoe on top wouldn't be a bad idea ?
G


The real, genuine, world famous Gulpers happen most reliably in mid-August
...... the lake fishes well all season, often to rising fish, but the real,
genuine, world famous Gulpers really are something very special, not to be
believed until experienced. Not sure if I'll be there this year or not,
yet.

This summer could be special, I'm prayin' for a cool wet one to compliment
the snow pack and making plans, if not commitments, to fish harder and
longer than in the hot and dry conditions we've suffered too often the last
few years. No place I've ever been has the same appeal as "Greater
Yellowstone" in a cool, wet, summer .. it's magical .... and, .. rare.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
It seems that regardless of how much stuff you have or how you plan to
transport it, the question of "what to take, what to leave behind" plagues
all fishing trips.

I offer that it's actually easier to make the choice when going on a
backpack than when towing the house behind you. Each year as I start to
gear up for the summer I go through the pile of stuff and find lots of " I
haven't used that once in the last couple years" junk .... clearly a
"leave behind" ... but it's oh so hard to leave behind when you can just
tuck it into a closet or someplace else out of the way "just in case."

I bought diesel today for $4.19.9/gal and even though a 10 pound item
tucked away won't affect mileage ... a bunch of them, together, might.
And, more important than ecomomy is the mental disclipline and clarity
that follows from 'sparseness.'

At this point I have a pretty damn big pile of quality fly fishing stuff
I'd give to the first person that saw it and said, " that's cool, I may
get one of those"

...... you might want to drop by my place G


It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have...as the
old cowboy said...

john

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"JT" wrote





It's a diesel, load it up





I was once given a Lab puppy, sired by FC, NAFC Winsom Cargo, by Cargo's
owner Cal C.

I named the pup "Diesel" and when Cal asked why I replied, "I want him to be
strong, tough, and built for the long haul." Turns out he only sorta
lived up to the name, however ...... he was just very noisy and smelled bad
:-)

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"rw" wrote in message





I'd have my own kickboat. I've fished Hegben twice -- once in Gherke's old
Gink Keeps it Up drift boat of Warren's (with Willi), and once in a float
tube. The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a motorized runabout.

Joe the Elder offers--I stayed in cabin on shore of Hegben for two weeks on
my first trip to Yellowstone area many years ago. Being new to ff I took
advice from local who loaned me a canoe. --___Cast in front of gulper--damm
if they swim in a straight line.!Use these small flies--I had never seen a
size 32?
But I was young and casting arm did not get tired so I remember catching
a few 20 plus inch trout. !!! Not as big as browns in NZ but largest trout I
have ever seen in US!

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Joe McIntosh wrote:
"rw" wrote in message


I'd have my own kickboat. I've fished Hegben twice -- once in Gherke's old
Gink Keeps it Up drift boat of Warren's (with Willi), and once in a float
tube. The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a motorized runabout.


Joe the Elder offers--I stayed in cabin on shore of Hegben for two weeks on
my first trip to Yellowstone area many years ago. Being new to ff I took
advice from local who loaned me a canoe. --___Cast in front of gulper--damm
if they swim in a straight line.!Use these small flies--I had never seen a
size 32?
But I was young and casting arm did not get tired so I remember catching
a few 20 plus inch trout. !!! Not as big as browns in NZ but largest trout I
have ever seen in US!

Actually, now now I think about it a little more, it wasn't Hebgen. It
was Quake Lake. I've never fished Hebgen.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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rw wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:

"rw" wrote in message


I'd have my own kickboat. I've fished Hegben twice -- once in
Gherke's old Gink Keeps it Up drift boat of Warren's (with Willi),
and once in a float tube. The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a
motorized runabout.


Joe the Elder offers--I stayed in cabin on shore of Hegben for two
weeks on my first trip to Yellowstone area many years ago. Being new
to ff I took advice from local who loaned me a canoe. --___Cast in
front of gulper--damm if they swim in a straight line.!Use these small
flies--I had never seen a size 32?
But I was young and casting arm did not get tired so I remember
catching a few 20 plus inch trout. !!! Not as big as browns in NZ but
largest trout I have ever seen in US!


Actually, now now I think about it a little more, it wasn't Hebgen. It
was Quake Lake. I've never fished Hebgen.


scarlet... g

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:33:53 -0700, rw
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:42:00 -0700, rw
wrote:


Larry L wrote:

an example ( not that you give a **** ) .... I own two WaterMaster kickboats
and each of the last 5 summers I have taken both with me. I HAVE used
both at once a few times when I met other anglers that wanted to float a
river and work together on shuttle, once when a nice guy I met wanted to try
Hebgen, i.e. I loaned out the second one ... such times saved me money for
shuttle, and added companionship to the day,.... thus "take the extra one"
seems to follow experience. But, the last two trips I've never taken the
second one out of the truck ... so "leave the extra one home" also makes
sense, based on experience.

Someone has to tell you this, Larry.

Taking an extra kickboat that you probably won't use is way over the top.

As far as taking or not taking nonessential (or sometimes even
essential) stuff, I depend on the kindness of strangers. :-)


Well, of course you do, Scarlett - just like the original Scarlett, once
anyone becomes familiar enough with ya, they don't wanna hang around
long enough for you to borrow anything from them...

Wrong literary reference, sweetheart. It was Blanche DuBois in A
Streetcar Named Desire.

Yeah, OK...I guess it's just that you do remind one of both, not to
mention Vivien Leigh...IAC, I still envision you running around the
mountain in green velvet curtains with a curtain rod for shoulder pads,
playin' grab-ass with Harvey Korman...although I guess you calling him
"Shep" isn't all that far-fetched...

HTH,
R

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On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:49:10 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

rw wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:

"rw" wrote in message


I'd have my own kickboat. I've fished Hegben twice -- once in
Gherke's old Gink Keeps it Up drift boat of Warren's (with Willi),
and once in a float tube. The ideal boat for Hegben, IMO, would be a
motorized runabout.


Joe the Elder offers--I stayed in cabin on shore of Hegben for two
weeks on my first trip to Yellowstone area many years ago. Being new
to ff I took advice from local who loaned me a canoe. --___Cast in
front of gulper--damm if they swim in a straight line.!Use these small
flies--I had never seen a size 32?
But I was young and casting arm did not get tired so I remember
catching a few 20 plus inch trout. !!! Not as big as browns in NZ but
largest trout I have ever seen in US!


Actually, now now I think about it a little more, it wasn't Hebgen. It
was Quake Lake. I've never fished Hebgen.


scarlet... g

At least it wasn't Fawn Lake...or was it...

HTH,
R

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wrote

Wrong literary reference, sweetheart. It was Blanche DuBois in A
Streetcar Named Desire.

Yeah, OK...I guess it's just that you do remind one of both, not to
mention Vivien Leigh

good lord. what did ms. leigh ever do to you, richard, to deserve such
scathing denunciation?

yfitons
wayno

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:04:06 -0400, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


wrote

Wrong literary reference, sweetheart. It was Blanche DuBois in A
Streetcar Named Desire.

Yeah, OK...I guess it's just that you do remind one of both, not to
mention Vivien Leigh

good lord. what did ms. leigh ever do to you, richard, to deserve such
scathing denunciation?

Me, personally? Nothing. But she was a kook...

YFINO (well, this afternoon, anyway - currently, YFOTGC...)
R

yfitons
wayno