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Well, what thoughts and opinions did you form about DIY Patagonia
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:08:06 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: Well, what thoughts and opinions did you form about DIY Patagonia adventures? Any? Easily done. Fly into Balmaceda, catch a cab into Coihaique and rent a Chevy Luv pick-up (probably best reserved before the trip). There are supermarkets in town, stocked with enough stuff to satisfy anyone's diet. Booze, beer, and wine also. The fresh meat looks terrible, but is very good. I was a little leery of it, but it is very tasty and safe. The Chilean wine is especially good. Bring your own coffee. South American coffee is "different" and you may not like it. I know, I know, most of our good coffee comes from SA. Go figure. While in the Navy, I spent time in Columbia, Peru, and Brazil and never did get used to it. Coihaique is a big town and has some good restaurants and cafes, plus some inexpensive hotels. There is a little bakery in town that makes the best epanada (spelling) I have ever had, excellent bread, and the best "home made" donuts. You should be able to find everything you need for an extended camping stay in country. I did not see it but I understand there is a sports store in Coihaique that is used by campers and trekkers. You will see people hitchhiking and on bikes carrying backpacks. Trekking, I understand, is very popular in Chile with the Europeans. If they have kayaks or canoes to rent, definitely get one for use on ponds and lakes. Some of the best fishing is in the Lagos and Lagoons (lakes and ponds). If you manage to get a watercraft, fish the reed line. You'll know what I mean when you see the lake or pond. You may be able to rent camping equipment too. I haven't googled it, but I'm betting you can find something online. Head north out of town on Rt 7 and you will pass the Simpson River. Farther on Rt 7 is the Moraleas River (with big fish that come to the fly), and farther still is the Cisnese River (a right turn off of 7 onto a dirt road after Lago Los Torres). These streams have tribs running into them which are also full of browns and rainbows. Access is fairly easy. The people (farmers) who own the land will let you drive through. Just remember to leave a gate as you find it. There are a couple of suspension bridges over the Morales that will hold a pick-up. They look shakey, but are very well made and anchored properly. Once on the other side of the river, you can easily access it either upstream or downstream. The river runs parallel to the road. Head south from Coihaique and there are more rivers and lakes. A map of the country would include National Parks and the ones with a lake on them sometimes have boats to rent. You can camp at the park, or at designated spots (some private, some National). In addition there are cabins for rent in most of the little towns/villages. Your main food outlet will be Coihaique. The small villages you will find have only a limited food selection. It may be enough, but nothing like the big market in Coihaique. Spanish is most helpful. Not many of these good folks speak English. You could spend a couple of weeks exploring the Manuales River and its tribs, and several weeks on the Cisnes. Both rivers are wadable and easily accessed. Flies? Dec - March: Dragon Fly. These fish have been known to come out of the water to take a dragon fly that is hovering while eating on midges/gnats. No delicate presentation necessary: plop that fly on the surface. There are some mayfly and caddis hatches which also occur in early summer (November/December). There was a BWO hatch that came off on the Cisnes but I saw no fish rise for it. They did like the beetle, however. You *have* to mimic the giant beetle that lives in the trees on most of the streams. The same beetle also exists as far north as Panama. I can remember seeing it and scaring my kids with one. See the pix I posted. A big giant "ugly" will work on many of the streams early in the season. Later in the season, black, green, or brown weighted woolybuggers cast with a floating line will work just about anywhere. It was unseasonably cold the week I was there, so there was a limited amount of dry fly action. The fish: Big and very spookable. I never took two fish out of the same run. Take one and the rest are spooked. I felt that I was hunting the fish, not fishing for them. In the lakes and ponds, fish the reed line just as you would fishing for bass. A fast sink tip is best. In the streams, fish the edges under logs/bushes etc. If you come to a pool, fish the center of the tailout. Some of the deeper holes you will encounter may require a fast sink tip to get the fly down. I saw some beautiful nymphing water and tried it with both floating and sinking line. Nothing with a nymph. Put on a bugger and fished it *as* a nymph and *bang*, I was into a fish. Bottom line, Larry, a diy in Chile should be easy with proper and early planning. Everything you need can be had in Coihaique. The people are friendly and very helpful. A good spanish vocabulary would be a plus, of course, but I think the average dumb one-language-American could get by with an English/Spanish dictionary, and a knowledge of some common phrases. Do a diy, Larry, and I'll help you with a diy roff clave in 2010. Gotta get back to that bakery........ Dave |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote Bottom line, Larry, a diy in Chile should be easy with proper and early planning. Everything you need can be had in Coihaique. The people are friendly and very helpful. A good spanish vocabulary would be a plus, of course, but I think the average dumb one-language-American could get by with an English/Spanish dictionary, and a knowledge of some common phrases. Do a diy, Larry, and I'll help you with a diy roff clave in 2010. Gotta get back to that bakery........ Thanks for taking the time to post, Dave I'm not certain it will happen ( are we certain about anything in the future? ) because of personal restrictions but the "plan" is to do a first one next season I've ordered but yet to receive the first two levels of RosetaStone Spanish ( Latin America ) and plan to dedicate an hour a day to study via my shiny new laptop this summer, hopefully progressing enough to justify getting the last level, too. I think I'll fly my WaterMaster down with me ( the AEG "trout bums" took WMs for their video and seemed to get good use from them ) for a watercraft. Should fly well as excess baggage, designed for it. What I've heard of the actual fishing, from you and others, doesn't make it seem like my favorite type ( think HFork/Silver Creek) ... but I used to fish stillwaters a lot and enjoy them ( not to mention that they hold the biggest fish, on average ) I'm leaning, based on current research levels, on flying into Argentina and, mainly, fishing on that side of the border. My intention is to make the first year's trip about a month to six weeks long .... the fishing budget corner of my brain seems to work on a dollars/day basis and it's hard to justify a shorter stay while thinking in that mode. As I've hinted before, I'm looking for a yearly trip and a type of semi-ex-pat lifestyle for the months Dec-May. I'm investigating New Zealand, too, but the chance to escape all the things I want to escape seems better in Patagonia. If I had your money, I'd look for small homes in eastern Idaho and Patagonia and split my time between them .... I'm not really 'into' fly fishing travel as much as I am into spending as much of my remaining time as I can in places that suit my 'soul' ..... it just happens that trout often seem to like the same type neighborhoods G |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:13:11 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: I think I'll fly my WaterMaster down with me ( the AEG "trout bums" took WMs for their video and seemed to get good use from them ) for a watercraft. Should fly well as excess baggage, designed for it. What I've heard of the actual fishing, from you and others, doesn't make it seem like my favorite type ( think HFork/Silver Creek) ... but I used to fish stillwaters a lot and enjoy them ( not to mention that they hold the biggest fish, on average ) With a proper anchor, you could float part of the rivers I have seen. No trouble getting back to your vehicle; the guides hitch-hiked and immediately got a ride back to the truck. The rivers where not too fast or the rapids that severe, making it possible for a Watermaster. Ymmv, of course. I'm leaning, based on current research levels, on flying into Argentina and, mainly, fishing on that side of the border. Can't help ya there, but I am told you are safer in Chile. My intention is to make the first year's trip about a month to six weeks long .... the fishing budget corner of my brain seems to work on a dollars/day basis and it's hard to justify a shorter stay while thinking in that mode. Shouldn't be any trouble staying that long. Showers/laundry/hygiene could present a problem. All of the water I was in or on was very cold. Fed by glaciers, the streams and lakes remain cold even in the hottest (high 80s) weather. Bring lots of capilene (sp). It keeps down the smell and dries quickly. d;o) A trip into Coihaique or similar small city to "refresh" should not be expensive. As I've hinted before, I'm looking for a yearly trip and a type of semi-ex-pat lifestyle for the months Dec-May. I'm investigating New Zealand, too, but the chance to escape all the things I want to escape seems better in Patagonia. If I had your money, I'd look for small homes in eastern Idaho and Patagonia and split my time between them .... I'm not really 'into' fly fishing travel as much as I am into spending as much of my remaining time as I can in places that suit my 'soul' ..... it just happens that trout often seem to like the same type neighborhoods G Sounds like a plan. Getting my wife away from her garden here in Taxachusetts would be impossible, so I will die here, but hopefully not before I visit places on my "Bucket List". d;o( Fishing above the Artic Circle in Canada or Sweden is my next goal, with the Seychelles, Iceland, and salmon in Russia if I live that long. d;o) Dave |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote With a proper anchor, you could float part of the rivers I have seen. No trouble getting back to your vehicle; the guides hitch-hiked and immediately got a ride back to the truck. The rivers where not too fast or the rapids that severe, making it possible for a Watermaster. Ymmv, of course. I've done short Class III sections in it ... and I'm a chicken **** aquaphobic There are a couple Chile/Argentina ex-pat forums I check now and then and several people have posted to the effect that hitch-hiking is safe and efficient ... but, then many things that seemed plenty safe when I was 20something seem insanely death-defying now G Can't help ya there, but I am told you are safer in Chile. Currently, Argentina seems to be, maybe, headed back into serious internal problems and it could get less safe, I hear. The world economy ( and thus my own ) will effect whether my plans can be acted upon ... value of the $$ etc Shouldn't be any trouble staying that long. Showers/laundry/hygiene could present a problem. Oh, I have every intention of regular stays at hotels ... a couple days in town, then several camped on the shore .. then repeat. Bring lots of capilene (sp). It keeps down the smell and dries quickly. d;o) recycled Coke bottles, really good stuff ... long live the Earth !! Sounds like a plan. Getting my wife away from her garden here in Taxachusetts would be impossible, so I will die here, I hope she is healing well ? My two friends that recently broke bones are both doing better than some of us feared. |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:02:11 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: I hope she is healing well ? Yes. Saw the docs on Monday and everything is healing as it should. A couple of more weeks and she'll be in a walking cast. She won't be able to drive for quite awhile, however. I have a shoulder problem that will need surgery, but can't do it until she can drive *me* around. d;o( It will be a looooong summer, methinks. Dave |
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On Apr 9, 10:02*am, "Larry L" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote With a proper anchor, you could float part of the rivers I have seen. No trouble getting back to your vehicle; the guides hitch-hiked and immediately got a ride back to the truck. *The rivers where not too fast or the rapids that severe, making it possible for a Watermaster. Ymmv, of course. I've done short Class III sections in it ... and I'm a chicken **** aquaphobic There are a couple Chile/Argentina ex-pat forums I check now and then and several people have posted to the effect that hitch-hiking is safe and efficient ... but, then many things that seemed plenty safe when I was 20something seem insanely death-defying now G Can't help ya there, but I am told you are safer in Chile. Currently, Argentina seems to be, maybe, headed back into serious internal problems and it could get less safe, I hear. * * The world economy ( and thus my own ) will effect whether my plans can be acted upon ... value of the $$ etc Shouldn't be any trouble staying that long. *Showers/laundry/hygiene could present a problem. Oh, I have every intention of regular stays at hotels ... a couple days in town, then several camped on the shore .. then repeat. * Bring lots of capilene (sp). *It keeps down the smell and dries quickly. *d;o) recycled Coke bottles, really good stuff *... long live the Earth !! *Sounds like a plan. *Getting my wife away from her garden here in Taxachusetts would be impossible, so I will die here, I hope she is healing well ? * *My two friends that recently broke bones are both doing better than some of us feared. Argentina seems to get mixed reviews safety wise. My son was sking on the Chile border last summer and came back via Buenas Aires. In BA for a day or 2, he was exploring the city (he's a planner) anyway he was jumped in an industrial district by 2 druggy robbers, he fought back, and was slashed bad with a broken bottle across the face and neck. With some help from some locals he managed to get away from the MFs who wanted to finish him off. The Argentines sewed him up real good for free (said that the US insurance systems were too much of a pain in the ass to deal with for reimbursement) and he came home. He said that without his Spanish he would have been in deeper ****. I think I'd be careful. Dave. |
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On Apr 9, 10:17*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:02:11 GMT, "Larry L" wrote: I hope she is healing well ? * Yes. *Saw the docs on Monday and everything is healing as it should. A couple of more weeks and she'll be in a walking cast. *She won't be able to drive for quite awhile, however. *I have a shoulder problem that will need surgery, but can't do it until she can drive *me* around. *d;o( *It will be a looooong summer, methinks. Dave Sound like your wife is doing well. Take care. Dave |
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Sound like your wife is doing well. And, how are you doing? Hope all is well. Dave |
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In article , Dave LaCourse
writes Yes. Saw the docs on Monday and everything is healing as it should. A couple of more weeks and she'll be in a walking cast. She won't be able to drive for quite awhile, however. Glad to hear Joanne is coming along well. Just thought, when she has that cast, can't you fix a castor on the heel then tow her behind the car till she is able to drive again :-) She'll never forgive for that :-) -- Bill Grey |
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On Apr 10, 5:41*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sound like your wife is doing well. And, how are you doing? *Hope all is well. Dave Life is good. Health is OK. Key I think is a better ratio between head work and physical work. Makes you tired at end of day and sleep etc better. Your Argentine trip sounded very interesting. How was the food? Dave |
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On Apr 10, 12:52 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 5:41 am, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sound like your wife is doing well. And, how are you doing? Hope all is well. Dave Life is good. Health is OK. Key I think is a better ratio between head work and physical work. Makes you tired at end of day and sleep etc better. Think volunteer. Your Argentine trip sounded very interesting. How was the food? Actually it was Chile, in the mountains right against Argentina. Food was excellent. The cook made everything, except the meat, on a wood burning stove. The meat was cooked in the "fogone", a very big fire pit inside of a building with a giant smoke hood to get the heat/smoke out. The ranch hands would start the fire about 4 pm, and by 7 it was hot coals ideal for cooking. Happy to hear you are well. Keep it up. Dave =10K? |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:58:04 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. |
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On Apr 11, 7:37 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:58:04 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. Cool. So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? Bone |
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote: So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? Large what? The airfare is expensive, not the lodges. The prices on the lodges is comparable to any you will find in Canada, Montana, Idaho, etc. Cheaper than Alaska. Dave |
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On Apr 11, 12:10 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer wrote: So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? Large what? The airfare is expensive, not the lodges. The prices on the lodges is comparable to any you will find in Canada, Montana, Idaho, etc. Cheaper than Alaska. Dave Large = The largest denomination of US Currency. Your pal, Halfordian Golfer |
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"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message ... On Apr 11, 12:10 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer wrote: So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? Large what? The airfare is expensive, not the lodges. The prices on the lodges is comparable to any you will find in Canada, Montana, Idaho, etc. Cheaper than Alaska. Dave Large = The largest denomination of US Currency. For 350K a guy could take one hell of a trip! There are $500.00, $1000.00, $5000.00 & $10,000.00 bills, although they haven't been printed since the mid 40's My Dad *had* a $500.00 bill, told my Mom to put it someplace safe. She deposited it in the bank. Oh was he ticked! JT |
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote: Large = The largest denomination of US Currency. Yes, a trip would cost less than 35 large. |
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Halfordian Golfer wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. Cool. So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? 35 large = $35,000.00 If one can do the trip for way less than half of $10,000.00 that means they can do the trip for less than 5 large. HTH -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. Cool. So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? 35 large = $35,000.00 If one can do the trip for way less than half of $10,000.00 that means they can do the trip for less than 5 large. what kinda trips can a guy take who counts in smalls? |
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:07:14 -0400, JR wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. Cool. So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? 35 large = $35,000.00 If one can do the trip for way less than half of $10,000.00 that means they can do the trip for less than 5 large. what kinda trips can a guy take who counts in smalls? umm....ask asadi? /daytripper (and I mean that in a *good* way :-) |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:29:39 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote: Just thought, when she has that cast, can't you fix a castor on the heel then tow her behind the car till she is able to drive again :-) Belileve me, Bill, she enjoys having a chauffeur. She appreciates all the attention. She rides in the front seat. Tried to get her into the back seat with the NY Times and a cigar, but she wouldn't go. Hope Anne doesn't put you through the same thing. d;o) Dave |
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On Apr 11, 5:36 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: =10K? For the trip? Way less. Less than half that. Cool. So a feller could do a trip to patagonia for about 35 Large? 35 large = $35,000.00 If one can do the trip for way less than half of $10,000.00 that means they can do the trip for less than 5 large. HTH -- Ken Fortenberry The largest denomination of US Currency is the $100 bill. I was thinking the budget would be less than $3,500 not $35,000. A feller could do some serious damage with a $35K Budget! Man where would you go?!?!?! Thanks, TBone |
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Halfordian Golfer wrote:
A feller could do some serious damage with a $35K Budget! Man where would you go?!?!?! You used to be able to rent a luxury yacht (with guides) in the Seychelles for $50,000/week. (Sleeps six or more clients). I've heard it's no longer available, though. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:13:17 -0700, rw
wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: A feller could do some serious damage with a $35K Budget! Man where would you go?!?!?! You used to be able to rent a luxury yacht (with guides) in the Seychelles for $50,000/week. (Sleeps six or more clients). I've heard it's no longer available, though. First, Tim, you had better not do any betting with a bookie and use the term "large"...IAC, the largest US bills are $100,000USD (for institutions, made obsolete by modern systems) and there were $1000USD bills in public circulation - I've heard that they were done away with because they had there greatest use in criminal activity, including money-laundering/smuggling. Second, you can rent "luxury yachts" (and probably some unluxury ones, too, if you're into that sort of thing...) all over the world - git out yer checkbook - you can spend well over 50 US large a week. HTH, R |
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On Apr 12, 8:26 am, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:13:17 -0700, rw wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: A feller could do some serious damage with a $35K Budget! Man where would you go?!?!?! You used to be able to rent a luxury yacht (with guides) in the Seychelles for $50,000/week. (Sleeps six or more clients). I've heard it's no longer available, though. First, Tim, you had better not do any betting with a bookie and use the term "large"...IAC, the largest US bills are $100,000USD (for institutions, made obsolete by modern systems) and there were $1000USD bills in public circulation - I've heard that they were done away with because they had there greatest use in criminal activity, including money-laundering/smuggling. Second, you can rent "luxury yachts" (and probably some unluxury ones, too, if you're into that sort of thing...) all over the world - git out yer checkbook - you can spend well over 50 US large a week. HTH, R The bookies need to try and keep up. Bone |
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In article , Dave LaCourse
writes On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:29:39 +0100, "W. D. Grey" wrote: Just thought, when she has that cast, can't you fix a castor on the heel then tow her behind the car till she is able to drive again :-) Belileve me, Bill, she enjoys having a chauffeur. She appreciates all the attention. She rides in the front seat. Tried to get her into the back seat with the NY Times and a cigar, but she wouldn't go. Hope Anne doesn't put you through the same thing. d;o) Dave You don't know how close she came a year ago when she slipped on a step and her leg folded under her, at 68 her bones don't bend any more. She didn't break anything but was limping for a few weeks. -- Bill Grey |
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Halfordian Golfer
wrote: On Apr 12, 8:26 am, wrote: On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:13:17 -0700, rw wrote: Halfordian Golfer wrote: A feller could do some serious damage with a $35K Budget! Man where would you go?!?!?! You used to be able to rent a luxury yacht (with guides) in the Seychelles for $50,000/week. (Sleeps six or more clients). I've heard it's no longer available, though. First, Tim, you had better not do any betting with a bookie and use the term "large"...IAC, the largest US bills are $100,000USD (for institutions, made obsolete by modern systems) and there were $1000USD bills in public circulation - I've heard that they were done away with because they had there greatest use in criminal activity, including money-laundering/smuggling. Second, you can rent "luxury yachts" (and probably some unluxury ones, too, if you're into that sort of thing...) all over the world - git out yer checkbook - you can spend well over 50 US large a week. HTH, R The bookies need to try and keep up. Bone Uh-huh....tell 'em that with the next bet... YFINO R PS - the redfish are mighty tasty, and a tasty sauce beats a creel...as well as guilt... |
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On Apr 13, 12:17 am, wrote:
[snip] PS - the redfish are mighty tasty, and a tasty sauce beats a creel...as well as guilt... No arguments there! -- Halfordian Golfer |
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