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egildone April 11th, 2008 04:23 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed

riverman April 12th, 2008 12:50 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Apr 11, 11:23*pm, egildone wrote:
Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Hope he doesn't shoot her in the face! (Sorry, couldn't resist).
Anyway, what type of gear does the Veep use?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresid...tdoors/05.html

-riverman

Dave LaCourse April 12th, 2008 01:38 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresid...tdoors/05.html


Hey, he can't be all bad..... he's got a dog named Dave.

d;o)



George Adams April 12th, 2008 06:00 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Apr 11, 11:23*am, egildone wrote:
Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Sorry to disappoint, but I saw a blow-up of the reflection on
www.flyfishinginnh.com, and it turns out to be a hand holding a flyrod.

[email protected] April 12th, 2008 07:08 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

On 11-Apr-2008, egildone wrote:

Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Cheney - one of my favorite people

His new companions are probably the Saudi monarchy,

Wonderful people also!

They are very concerned about US inflation and and the pillaging and
destruction of our environment.

Geat humanitarians -all
Useful humans

Fred

daytripper April 12th, 2008 09:38 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:08:12 GMT, wrote:

On 11-Apr-2008, egildone wrote:

Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Cheney - one of my favorite people

His new companions are probably the Saudi monarchy,

Wonderful people also!

They are very concerned about US inflation and and the pillaging and
destruction of our environment.

Geat humanitarians -all
Useful humans

Fred


That spell checker is working perfectly...

/daytripper ( golf claps ;-)

[email protected] April 13th, 2008 07:09 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:38:59 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:08:12 GMT, wrote:

On 11-Apr-2008, egildone wrote:

Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Cheney - one of my favorite people

His new companions are probably the Saudi monarchy,

Wonderful people also!

They are very concerned about US inflation and and the pillaging and
destruction of our environment.

Geat humanitarians -all
Useful humans

Fred


That spell checker is working perfectly...

/daytripper ( golf claps ;-)


Um, have you lost yer flothermucking mind...?


Hey, OK....or, of you prefer, fey, fav ku rost ber muther****in' gind?

Oh, help--- I think not,
R

Calif Bill April 13th, 2008 10:56 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

wrote in message
...

On 11-Apr-2008, egildone wrote:

Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Cheney - one of my favorite people

His new companions are probably the Saudi monarchy,

Wonderful people also!

They are very concerned about US inflation and and the pillaging and
destruction of our environment.

Geat humanitarians -all
Useful humans

Fred


Lets look at the last year. Democrat controlled Congress. Inflation has
soared, unemployment has increased, oil has skyrocketed, spending has
increased. Vote both parties incumbents out!



rw April 13th, 2008 11:33 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...

On 11-Apr-2008, egildone wrote:


Wearing dark glasses while fly fishing can be dangerous!

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...10/CHENEY.html

Ed


Cheney - one of my favorite people

His new companions are probably the Saudi monarchy,

Wonderful people also!

They are very concerned about US inflation and and the pillaging and
destruction of our environment.

Geat humanitarians -all
Useful humans

Fred



Lets look at the last year. Democrat controlled Congress. Inflation has
soared, unemployment has increased, oil has skyrocketed, spending has
increased. Vote both parties incumbents out!



Democrats don't "control" Congress. They have a bare majority in the
House and a razor-thin majority in the Senate (including the Democrat in
name only, Joe Lieberman).

Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.

The next administration, which I fervently hope will be Democratic, is
going to have a helluva mess to clean up, left by eight years of corrupt
and idiotic Republican policies, both on the domestic and foreign fronts.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Scott Seidman April 13th, 2008 11:47 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
rw wrote in news:puednU_mo4uiF5
:

Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.


I call bull****. If the Dems had guts, they'd stop Bush. It might take a
super majority to overide a veto, but it still takes a simple majority to
pass a bill. The Dems have been caving far too easily.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

rw April 14th, 2008 12:42 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:puednU_mo4uiF5
:


Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.



I call bull****. If the Dems had guts, they'd stop Bush. It might take a
super majority to overide a veto, but it still takes a simple majority to
pass a bill. The Dems have been caving far too easily.


Suppose the House passes your great bill with a simple majority. The
Senate either never votes because it can't get past a filibuster; or, if
by some miracle, a few Senate Republicans have the guts to vote for the
bill and vote for cloture, it won't survive a Presidential veto. Be it
stem cell research, be it anti-torture, be it SCHIP, or whatever is your
hot-button issue. That's the way the system works without a clear
majority and a lock on power.

Which, by the way, the Republicans had for six years, and look at the
mess they've gotten us into.

Maybe the Dems could have cut off war funding. It's not clear. I think
Bushco would have defied them and we'd be in the middle of a
Constitutional crisis. But be that as it may, it would have been
irresponsible, IMO. That's too blunt an instrument to get us out of this
trap Bush and Cheney have blundered us into.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Calif Bill April 14th, 2008 02:08 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:puednU_mo4uiF5
:


Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.



I call bull****. If the Dems had guts, they'd stop Bush. It might take
a super majority to overide a veto, but it still takes a simple majority
to pass a bill. The Dems have been caving far too easily.


Suppose the House passes your great bill with a simple majority. The
Senate either never votes because it can't get past a filibuster; or, if
by some miracle, a few Senate Republicans have the guts to vote for the
bill and vote for cloture, it won't survive a Presidential veto. Be it
stem cell research, be it anti-torture, be it SCHIP, or whatever is your
hot-button issue. That's the way the system works without a clear majority
and a lock on power.

Which, by the way, the Republicans had for six years, and look at the mess
they've gotten us into.

Maybe the Dems could have cut off war funding. It's not clear. I think
Bushco would have defied them and we'd be in the middle of a
Constitutional crisis. But be that as it may, it would have been
irresponsible, IMO. That's too blunt an instrument to get us out of this
trap Bush and Cheney have blundered us into.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


BS! they are both feeding at the trough. They overspent for how many years
when they had a Democrat Supermajority? Only reason Clinton somewhat
balanced the budget, is revenues increased from the dot.bomb debacle faster
than they could spend them. How much did spending go up during all those
Clinton years? Including the first 2 years. It was a Democrat controlled
Congress that put in "Baseline Budgeting" that built in a yearly 13%
increase.



Calif Bill April 14th, 2008 02:11 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:puednU_mo4uiF5
:


Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.



I call bull****. If the Dems had guts, they'd stop Bush. It might take
a super majority to overide a veto, but it still takes a simple majority
to pass a bill. The Dems have been caving far too easily.


Suppose the House passes your great bill with a simple majority. The
Senate either never votes because it can't get past a filibuster; or, if
by some miracle, a few Senate Republicans have the guts to vote for the
bill and vote for cloture, it won't survive a Presidential veto. Be it
stem cell research, be it anti-torture, be it SCHIP, or whatever is your
hot-button issue. That's the way the system works without a clear majority
and a lock on power.

Which, by the way, the Republicans had for six years, and look at the mess
they've gotten us into.

Maybe the Dems could have cut off war funding. It's not clear. I think
Bushco would have defied them and we'd be in the middle of a
Constitutional crisis. But be that as it may, it would have been
irresponsible, IMO. That's too blunt an instrument to get us out of this
trap Bush and Cheney have blundered us into.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Maybe we should listen to Iococca. Did not run it though Snopes but sounds
good.
Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation


from it's death throes? He has a new book, and here are some


excerpts. Lee Iacocca Says:






'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's


happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be


screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos


steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got


corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean


up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead


of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when


the politicians say, 'Stay the course'






Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This isAmerica,


not the damned 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw


all the bums out!'




You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my


rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I


hardly recognize this country anymore.




The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the


guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling inIraq, theMiddle


Eastis burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the


press is waving 'pom -poms' instead of asking hard questions.


That's not the promise of the 'America' my parents and yours


traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?




I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if


you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to


have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis !




Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of


crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk


and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when


you'v e never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing


to lead when your world comes tumbling down.




OnSeptember 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any


other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us


out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess So here's where we stand.


We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no


plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the


history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge


toAsia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered


by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody


in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in


trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is


being squeezed every which way These are times that cry out for


leadership.






But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all


the leaders gone?'&nb sp; Where are the curious, creative


communicators? Where are the people of character, courage,


conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker


for alliteration, but I think you get the point.




Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security


than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away


our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge


new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things


that have already happened.




Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane


Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the


response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the


decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.




Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't


happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with


it. Make a plan. F igure out what you're going to do the next


time.




Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how


we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who


would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The


Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this


happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?




Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for


paying down the debit, or solving the energy crisis, or


managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening.


But these are the crises that are eating away at our cou ntry


and milking the middle class dry.




I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to


sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our


democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced


with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some&


nbsp; bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a


break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?




Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and


doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out


because I have hope I believe in America. In my lifetime I've


had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest


moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the


'Great Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the


'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970's oil


crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with


9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: 'You don't get


anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else


to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building


a better future for our children, we all have a role to play.


That's the challenge I'm ra ising in this book. It's a call to


'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America . It's


not too late, but it's getting pretty close; So let's shake off


the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'








[email protected] April 14th, 2008 02:45 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

On 13-Apr-2008, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Lets look at the last year. Democrat controlled Congress. Inflation has
soared, unemployment has increased, oil has skyrocketed, spending has
increased. Vote both parties incumbents out!


I agree
But the problem goes fare deeper than you can really imagine - Who controls
the world economies?
In each country
A few families here and there but the oligarchy is another story for another
day

Forget Republicrats

One way that I differ from you is that once we vote the incumbents out we
should try them for war crimes and war profiteering
The deaths of 4200 American boys and countless other humans - mainly Iraqis
For what?

only

Money - More money for ever greedy war profiteers and low end criminals.
And an erosion of our civil liberties and a foreign debt that has broken all
records
Bush and Cheney have pocketed a lot of money
And so have their friends.

What can we do?
Any ideas

What is even worse is that
Cheney is laughing at the US and World public

Why should Bush reduce troops or pull them out of Iraq
For every soldier we outfit he must see some $$
For every round fired he probably gets a cut
No bid Haliburton Contracts
No bid contract security forces and private armies

Its a crazy world
..
Ainna.
Fred

rw April 14th, 2008 02:47 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Calif Bill wrote:

BS! they are both feeding at the trough. They overspent for how many years
when they had a Democrat Supermajority? Only reason Clinton somewhat
balanced the budget, is revenues increased from the dot.bomb debacle faster
than they could spend them.


Clinton didn't "somewhat balance the budget." He balanced the budget.

In fact, he did more. At the end of his administration we were running
a fat surplus -- so much so that Alan Greenspan thought our biggest
problem would be paying own the national debt too fast! (Look it up.)

When Clinton entered office in 1992 with a Democratic majority in
Congress he raised taxes, rather modestly, and mostly on upper-income
people. The Republicans were all gloom and doom -- it would lead to a
recession!

Instead, it restored the faith of the financial markets that the US
could actually meet its obligations, and we entered a period of
enormous, unprecedented economic growth.

That was then. This is now.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Dave LaCourse April 14th, 2008 04:01 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:45:39 GMT, wrote:

What can we do?
Any ideas


Yeah. Smoke a joint, take two ecstacy pills, and call me in the
morning.

Dr. Dave



[email protected] April 14th, 2008 04:19 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:45:39 GMT, wrote:


On 13-Apr-2008, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Lets look at the last year. Democrat controlled Congress. Inflation has
soared, unemployment has increased, oil has skyrocketed, spending has
increased. Vote both parties incumbents out!


I agree
But the problem goes fare deeper than you can really imagine - Who controls
the world economies?
In each country
A few families here and there but the oligarchy is another story for another
day

Forget Republicrats

One way that I differ from you is that once we vote the incumbents out we
should try them for war crimes and war profiteering
The deaths of 4200 American boys and countless other humans - mainly Iraqis
For what?

only

Money - More money for ever greedy war profiteers and low end criminals.
And an erosion of our civil liberties and a foreign debt that has broken all
records
Bush and Cheney have pocketed a lot of money
And so have their friends.

What can we do?
Any ideas

What is even worse is that
Cheney is laughing at the US and World public

Why should Bush reduce troops or pull them out of Iraq
For every soldier we outfit he must see some $$
For every round fired he probably gets a cut
No bid Haliburton Contracts
No bid contract security forces and private armies

Its a crazy world


Um, excuse me, but there is this poster that absolutely hates politics
and has asked that all such posts be clearly marked "OT" so that he can
avoi...HEY! Wait a goldurned minute here, bub...
.
Ainna.


Hoo-boy...

Fred


Uh-huh,
R

Calif Bill April 14th, 2008 07:57 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Calif Bill wrote:

BS! they are both feeding at the trough. They overspent for how many
years when they had a Democrat Supermajority? Only reason Clinton
somewhat balanced the budget, is revenues increased from the dot.bomb
debacle faster than they could spend them.


Clinton didn't "somewhat balance the budget." He balanced the budget.

In fact, he did more. At the end of his administration we were running a
fat surplus -- so much so that Alan Greenspan thought our biggest problem
would be paying own the national debt too fast! (Look it up.)

When Clinton entered office in 1992 with a Democratic majority in Congress
he raised taxes, rather modestly, and mostly on upper-income people. The
Republicans were all gloom and doom -- it would lead to a recession!

Instead, it restored the faith of the financial markets that the US could
actually meet its obligations, and we entered a period of enormous,
unprecedented economic growth.

That was then. This is now.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Clinton even admitted he raised taxes too much. He inherited an economic
growth cycle, just as Bush inherited a down turning economic cycle. The
budget was never balance. It was projected to be balanced, but look at the
national debt for all his years. It did not decrease. And the inflow of
money was huge! All those stock options that were cashed in gave the
Federal government about 36.5% of each option. 35% tax and 1.5% Medicare.
The California government got about 14% of all the Calif generated options.
Plus the Newt Contract with America cut Clinton's and A DEMOCRAT CONTROL
CONGRESS's overspending. All this added up to nirvana for the party in
charge of the Executive Branch. Plus Clinton was a master of the PR world.
When the government partly shut down in the fight against overspending, it
stuck all the blame on the Republicans. Clinton was a lucky SOB. Greenspan
screwed up in letting the 'unbridled enthusiasm' run rampant and the massive
Ponzi scheme of the IPO's and margin's to run rampant. The "Contract with
America' was one of the last good things that happened to the US. Too bad
it did not last.



[email protected] April 14th, 2008 08:54 AM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Apr 13, 6:08*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

m...





Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:puednU_mo4uiF5
:


Until there's either a veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate
and/or a Democrat in the White House, they are essentially powerless to
change the disastrous course the Bush administration and his party have
set us on. That's the way the system works, and God help us if something
doesn't change.


I call bull****. *If the Dems had guts, they'd stop Bush. *It might take
a super majority to overide a veto, but it still takes a simple majority
to pass a bill. *The Dems have been caving far too easily.


Suppose the House passes your great bill with a simple majority. The
Senate either never votes because it can't get past a filibuster; or, if
by some miracle, a few Senate Republicans have the guts to vote for the
bill and vote for cloture, it won't survive a Presidential veto. Be it
stem cell research, be it anti-torture, be it SCHIP, or whatever is your
hot-button issue. That's the way the system works without a clear majority
and a lock on power.


Which, by the way, the Republicans had for six years, and look at the mess
they've gotten us into.


Maybe the Dems could have cut off war funding. It's not clear. I think
Bushco would have defied them and we'd be in the middle of a
Constitutional crisis. But be that as it may, it would have been
irresponsible, IMO. That's too blunt an instrument to get us out of this
trap Bush and Cheney have blundered us into.


--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


BS! they are both feeding at the trough. *They overspent for how many years
when they had a Democrat Supermajority? *Only reason Clinton somewhat
balanced the budget, is revenues increased from the dot.bomb debacle faster
than they could spend them. *How much did spending go up during all those
Clinton years? *Including the first 2 years. *It was a Democrat controlled
Congress that put in "Baseline Budgeting" that built in a yearly 13%
increase.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


This must be entertaining for you, pretending the last 6+ years just
didn't happen. Kinda-like playing "Fuher Bunker," sending out
dispatches to non-existant divisions. Fun times, take a riduculous
stance and then defend it to ehaustion. Reminds me of a "catch and
release" thread.

Bottom line is that most sensible people are saddened for what's
happened to our country, and realize that facing the pain ahead
requires adult grade honesty if we are to fix the mess and move
forward.

Dave

Dave

rw April 14th, 2008 01:43 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Calif Bill wrote:

Clinton even admitted he raised taxes too much. He inherited an economic
growth cycle, just as Bush inherited a down turning economic cycle. The
budget was never balance. It was projected to be balanced, but look at the
national debt for all his years. It did not decrease. And the inflow of
money was huge!


You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

This web site shows a graph of the national debt as a percentage of the
nation's annual income:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Compare the increasing trends under Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II to the
decreasing trends under Clinton.

BTW, the data is from the Office of Management and Budget.

That the modern-day Republicans could have a reputation as fiscal
conservatives and good managers is a cosmic joke.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 02:37 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresid...tdoors/05.html


Hey, he can't be all bad..... he's got a dog named Dave.


So do we.

Wolfgang



Dave LaCourse April 14th, 2008 03:17 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:37:11 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresid...tdoors/05.html


Hey, he can't be all bad..... he's got a dog named Dave.


So do we.

Wolfgang


Ahhh, shucks, Wolfie. Thank you. And here I thought you didn't care.

Davey the Dog Pirate, sometime doctor to the demented, and roff's own
pet

d;o)







Scott Seidman April 14th, 2008 03:30 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
rw wrote in news:NeudneNPPsLsB5
:

Suppose the House passes your great bill with a simple majority. The
Senate either never votes because it can't get past a filibuster; or, if
by some miracle, a few Senate Republicans have the guts to vote for the
bill and vote for cloture, it won't survive a Presidential veto.


I understand this part. Sometimes its not about the legislation that gets
vetoed, its about the legislation that doesn't get passed at all. The Dems
simply find it politically convenient to cave, and don't want to suffer the
penalties for not passing silly legislation.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Scott Seidman April 14th, 2008 03:31 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
wrote in
:


Forget Republicrats



I really don't understand how anyone could look at the last 7.5 years and
still think the two parties are the same.


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

rw April 14th, 2008 04:34 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
Calif Bill wrote:

Clinton even admitted he raised taxes too much. He inherited an economic
growth cycle, just as Bush inherited a down turning economic cycle. The
budget was never balance. It was projected to be balanced, but look at the
national debt for all his years. It did not decrease. And the inflow of
money was huge! All those stock options that were cashed in gave the
Federal government about 36.5% of each option. 35% tax and 1.5% Medicare.
The California government got about 14% of all the Calif generated options.
Plus the Newt Contract with America cut Clinton's and A DEMOCRAT CONTROL
CONGRESS's overspending. All this added up to nirvana for the party in
charge of the Executive Branch. Plus Clinton was a master of the PR world.
When the government partly shut down in the fight against overspending, it
stuck all the blame on the Republicans. Clinton was a lucky SOB. Greenspan
screwed up in letting the 'unbridled enthusiasm' run rampant and the massive
Ponzi scheme of the IPO's and margin's to run rampant. The "Contract with
America' was one of the last good things that happened to the US. Too bad
it did not last.


Here's a graph of federal spending (per household):

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...harts_s/s3.cfm

Notice how it declined during the Clinton administration and began
sharply increasing in 2000 after Bush II was elected.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 04:55 PM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:37:11 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresid...tdoors/05.html

Hey, he can't be all bad..... he's got a dog named Dave.


So do we.

Wolfgang


Ahhh, shucks, Wolfie. Thank you. And here I thought you didn't care.

Davey the Dog Pirate, sometime doctor to the demented, and roff's own
pet


Better known (because more accurately) as an uneducated murderous
pig......with a bad perm.

Sent any more relatives off to kill.....and die.....lately?

Wolfgang
who wonders what could possibly be better than monday morning of jollity in
the spring. :)



Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 04:56 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Calif Bill wrote:

Clinton even admitted he raised taxes too much. He inherited an economic
growth cycle, just as Bush inherited a down turning economic cycle. The
budget was never balance. It was projected to be balanced, but look at
the national debt for all his years. It did not decrease. And the
inflow of money was huge! All those stock options that were cashed in
gave the Federal government about 36.5% of each option. 35% tax and 1.5%
Medicare. The California government got about 14% of all the Calif
generated options. Plus the Newt Contract with America cut Clinton's and
A DEMOCRAT CONTROL CONGRESS's overspending. All this added up to nirvana
for the party in charge of the Executive Branch. Plus Clinton was a
master of the PR world. When the government partly shut down in the fight
against overspending, it stuck all the blame on the Republicans. Clinton
was a lucky SOB. Greenspan screwed up in letting the 'unbridled
enthusiasm' run rampant and the massive Ponzi scheme of the IPO's and
margin's to run rampant. The "Contract with America' was one of the last
good things that happened to the US. Too bad it did not last.


Here's a graph of federal spending (per household):

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...harts_s/s3.cfm

Notice how it declined during the Clinton administration and began sharply
increasing in 2000 after Bush II was elected.


Yeah, but that's only because of ill-advised fire suppression.

Wolfgang



Dave LaCourse April 14th, 2008 05:16 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:55:46 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Better known (because more accurately) as an uneducated murderous
pig......with a bad perm.


Murderous pig. Wow. Bad perm? You haven't seen my hair in a number
of years, Straight as a board. Cancer and old age will do that to
you.

At least I kept my nickels at the playground when I was a kid,
Napoleon. d;o) You got pushed around and pushed around, your nickels
taken, probably corn-holed, maybe even had to suck a dick or two. No
wonder you are such a bitter little shrimp. That had to have been a
terrible burden as a shrimpy child. I imagine adulthood as a shrimpy
child is even worse. No wonder you attract homely women. Probably
wanna cuddle da little boy and soothe all his pains.

d;o)





Dave LaCourse April 14th, 2008 05:18 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On 14 Apr 2008 14:31:00 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

I really don't understand how anyone could look at the last 7.5 years and
still think the two parties are the same.


You ain't smokin' what old Fred is smokin'. d;o)

He's into some baaaaaaad ****.



Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 05:30 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:55:46 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Better known (because more accurately) as an uneducated murderous
pig......with a bad perm.


Murderous pig. Wow. Bad perm? You haven't seen my hair in a number
of years, Straight as a board. Cancer and old age will do that to
you.


A good dose of napalm would take care of all of that.

At least I kept my nickels at the playground when I was a kid,
Napoleon. d;o) You got pushed around and pushed around, your nickels
taken,


Sure, if you say so.

probably corn-holed, maybe even had to suck a dick or two. No
wonder you are such a bitter little shrimp. That had to have been a
terrible burden as a shrimpy child. I imagine adulthood as a shrimpy
child is even worse. No wonder you attract homely women. Probably
wanna cuddle da little boy and soothe all his pains.


Ooh! Ooh! Hardball!

Wolfgang
who knows when he's been slammed good and proper. :)



Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 05:37 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:55:46 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Better known (because more accurately) as an uneducated murderous
pig......with a bad perm.


Murderous pig. Wow. Bad perm? You haven't seen my hair in a number
of years, Straight as a board. Cancer and old age will do that to
you.


A good dose of napalm would take care of all of that.

At least I kept my nickels at the playground when I was a kid,
Napoleon. d;o) You got pushed around and pushed around, your nickels
taken,


Sure, if you say so.

probably corn-holed, maybe even had to suck a dick or two. No
wonder you are such a bitter little shrimp. That had to have been a
terrible burden as a shrimpy child. I imagine adulthood as a shrimpy
child is even worse. No wonder you attract homely women. Probably
wanna cuddle da little boy and soothe all his pains.


Ooh! Ooh! Hardball!

Wolfgang
who knows when he's been slammed good and proper. :)


By the way, why do you supposed it is that you and kennie and stevie and
mikie......and dicklet (hee, hee, hee).....are so possessed by homoerotic
imagery?

Wolfgang



Dave LaCourse April 14th, 2008 05:58 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:48 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

possessed by homoerotic
imagery?


Possessed? Homoerotic imagery? You seem to be the one that brought
up that subject. Remind you of your old playground days? Eh?

Davey, aka the Pirate, Dog, Murderous Pig, Doctor.........



[email protected] April 14th, 2008 06:20 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Apr 14, 6:43 am, rw wrote:
You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

This web site shows a graph of the national debt as a percentage of the
nation's annual income:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


Big deal. It's short term. If history is fair, Greenspan will be
judged for allowing two very large periods of "irrational exuberance"
run out of control. Although the first (the dot com bubble) left with
some pain, the second one (the housing market) will end up causing
more long-term pain, and perhaps severe pain, IMO. That Clinton
happened to get in and get out at opportune times, and look good
economically for doing so, was purely accidental and had nothing to do
with any actual policy differences between the Dems and Reps. You
don't really believe the dot-com bubble was anything more than an
inevitably bursting bubble, do you?

Oh, and I do agree that there's hardly such a thing as an economically
conservative Republican anymore, and that both parties are addicted to
feeding at the trough. Interestingly enough, John McCain is a zero-
pork guy; I respect that. I also agree with Scott -- if the Dems
really were strongly against what is happening, they could do
something, even shut down the government if they wanted.

Jon.

Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 06:41 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:48 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

possessed by homoerotic
imagery?


Possessed?


Yes.

Homoerotic imagery?


Uh huh.

You seem to be the one that brought
up that subject.


I do? Hm...... O.k., why don't you go ahead and show us a relevant
quote?

Remind you of your old playground days? Eh?


My playground days were spent doing what kids do on playgrounds. You really
think your fantasies are going to convince anyone?

Davey, aka the Pirate, Dog, Murderous Pig, Doctor.........


Imbecile.

Wolfgang



Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 07:07 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...



Possessed?


Yes.

Homoerotic imagery?


Uh huh.

You seem to be the one that brought
up that subject.


I do? Hm...... O.k., why don't you go ahead and show us a relevant
quote?


No?

Well, gosh, ain't we all surprised?

Now, where were we?

Hm.......

Oh yes......why do you supposed it is that you and kennie and stevie and
mikie......and dicklet (hee, hee, hee).....are so possessed by homoerotic
imagery?

Wolfgang



rw April 14th, 2008 07:23 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:43 am, rw wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

This web site shows a graph of the national debt as a percentage of the
nation's annual income:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


Big deal. It's short term. If history is fair, Greenspan will be
judged for allowing two very large periods of "irrational exuberance"
run out of control. Although the first (the dot com bubble) left with
some pain, the second one (the housing market) will end up causing
more long-term pain, and perhaps severe pain, IMO. That Clinton
happened to get in and get out at opportune times, and look good
economically for doing so, was purely accidental and had nothing to do
with any actual policy differences between the Dems and Reps.


So you don't believe that the differences between the Democrats and the
Republicans regarding, for example, tax rates make any difference to the
economy?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Ken Fortenberry[_2_] April 14th, 2008 07:37 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
wrote:
... Interestingly enough, John McCain is a zero-
pork guy; I respect that.


I think it's silly. If one of my Senators climbed up on a
high horse and declared that the rules of the game suck so
on behalf of my constituents in Illinois I'm going to forfeit
the game I'd fire the dumb sumbitch.

I also agree with Scott -- if the Dems
really were strongly against what is happening, they could do
something, even shut down the government if they wanted.


Sure, the Dems could commit political suicide if they wanted
to, but why on earth would they want to ? Better to let the
clock run out on Shrub and the current Congress then do better
next time.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 07:39 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:43 am, rw wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

This web site shows a graph of the national debt as a percentage of the
nation's annual income:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


Big deal. It's short term. If history is fair, Greenspan will be
judged for allowing two very large periods of "irrational exuberance"
run out of control. Although the first (the dot com bubble) left with
some pain, the second one (the housing market) will end up causing
more long-term pain, and perhaps severe pain, IMO. That Clinton
happened to get in and get out at opportune times, and look good
economically for doing so, was purely accidental and had nothing to do
with any actual policy differences between the Dems and Reps.


So you don't believe that the differences between the Democrats and the
Republicans regarding, for example, tax rates make any difference to the
economy?


It doesn't.

On the other hand, it DOES cause the proliferation of Ponderosa pine......at
moderate elevations.

Wolfgang
who figures, what the hell, it CAN'T hurt to inject a bit of sense into yet
another twitfest.....right?



Wolfgang April 14th, 2008 07:42 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
wrote:
... Interestingly enough, John McCain is a zero-
pork guy; I respect that.


I think it's silly. If one of my Senators climbed up on a
high horse and declared that the rules of the game suck so
on behalf of my constituents in Illinois I'm going to forfeit
the game I'd fire the dumb sumbitch.


Hm......which way doth the wind blow today?

I also agree with Scott -- if the Dems
really were strongly against what is happening, they could do
something, even shut down the government if they wanted.


Sure, the Dems could commit political suicide if they wanted
to, but why on earth would they want to ?


Well, it really isn't so much a matter of want. I mean, why would a blind
man WANT to step off the cliff of whose presence he is entirely oblivious?

Better to let the
clock run out on Shrub and the current Congress then do better
next time.


And we're all counting on you to do it.

Wolfgang
seriously, you boys are a riot. :)



[email protected] April 14th, 2008 08:06 PM

Cheney's new fishing companion
 
On Apr 14, 12:23 pm, rw wrote:

So you don't believe that the differences between the Democrats and the
Republicans regarding, for example, tax rates make any difference to the
economy?


The things they quibble over? Nope.

Jon.


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