Penns Clave
 

Okay, lots of rain, but that hasn't detered this plucky band of
fishermen. Right now, we're on Spring Creek in State College with an
amazing sulfur hatch and the fish are going nuts. Its so easy, even
I'm catching tons of fish. Penns is blown out, so it should be a
couple of days before it's fishable.
Cheers all.
Frank Reid
By the way, love that Yeaungling.

Penns Clave
 

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid
wrote:

By the way, love that Yeaungling.

Just got a case of it from my grandson who visited Virginia over the
week-end.

Will take it to the Rapid on Sunday.

Dave

Penns Clave
 

Fished Big Fishing Creek today. Every time the bugs started to come
off, it would start to rain. This is a bit frustrating.
Frank Reid

Penns Clave
 

Frank Reid wrote in news:f2c463ed-0f79-401d-bbdf-
:


Fished Big Fishing Creek today. Every time the bugs started to come
off, it would start to rain. This is a bit frustrating.
Frank Reid


You remember the last big rainy Penns Clave. Wear your flotation device to
bed.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Penns Clave
 

On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid
wrote:

Fished Big Fishing Creek today. Every time the bugs started to come
off, it would start to rain. This is a bit frustrating.

Frank, you need to come up to Maine. It's *fun* fishing in the rain,
and the bugs come off rain or shine.

Penns is a fun place to fish, but when it rains........

Dave

Penns Clave
 

On May 22, 6:21*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid

wrote:
Fished Big Fishing Creek today. *Every time the bugs started to come
off, it would start to rain. *This is a bit frustrating.

Frank, you need to come up to Maine. *It's *fun* fishing in the rain,
and the bugs come off rain or shine.

Penns is a fun place to fish, but when it rains........

Dave

Hey Dave:
Where in the GSoM are you? Let's fish this summer. I'll be home from
mid july to mid august. Send me some contact info, and I'll call you.

--riverman

Penns Clave
 

On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

Where in the GSoM are you? Let's fish this summer. I'll be home from
mid july to mid august.

Wanna do the Rapid and the Magalloway? Best time, of course is June
and September, but I think we could find a few willing brookies and
landlocks in mid-August. Last half of July I volunteer as a cook at a
kids camp, so it will have to be August, the later the better.

They have a helluva lot of water up there - lots of snow this year.
Last I heard they were only running 800 cfs out of Middle Dam. I am
heading up on Sunday for a month, so I expect they will open it up to
some ungodly flow, like 5600 cfs. d;o( It's fishable if you have a
boat/motor. I have a boat and motor.

I'm in Massachusetts now. Look me up when you arrive in the States.
I'm in the book.

Dave

Penns Clave
 

On May 22, 9:54*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT), riverman

wrote:
Where in the GSoM are you? Let's fish this summer. I'll be home from
mid july to mid august.

Wanna do the Rapid and the Magalloway? *Best time, of course is June
and September, but I think we could find a few willing brookies and
landlocks in mid-August. *Last half of July I volunteer as a cook at a
kids camp, so it will have to be August, the later the better. *

They have a helluva lot of water up there - lots of snow this year.
Last I heard they were only running 800 cfs out of Middle Dam. *I am
heading up on Sunday for a month, so I expect they will open it up to
some ungodly flow, like 5600 cfs. *d;o( *It's fishable if you have a
boat/motor. *I have a boat and motor.

I'm in Massachusetts now. *Look me up when you arrive in the States.
I'm in the book. *

Dave

Sounds great, Dave. Last year I bushwhacked into the Rapid from the
South...wasn't familiar with the roads on the north side, so I found a
post somewhere where someone gave the GPS coordinates coming in from
the south. Then I just parked on the side of the dirt road and hacked
my way due north until I hit the river, and came out just below the
remains of Lower Dam. Had a great time fishing, but it was completely
ignorant of the lay of the river, etc, so it would be a real treat to
fish it with someone who knows his way around. I cast for an hour or
so from the Upper Dam also (hiked in from the gate), but it was
unproductive.

I'll track you down when I get back home, but I might need more info,
especially if you're off fishing. Is that you in Biffedid?

M

Penns Clave
 

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

I'll track you down when I get back home, but I might need more info,
especially if you're off fishing. Is that you in Biffedid?

No. I live in Hudson, Mass. Look me up when you arrive. Like I
said, the last part of July I'll be cooking for some kids at camp, but
I'll be home every night.

Looking forward to it.

Dave

Penns Clave
 

On May 22, 6:02*am, riverman wrote:
Then I just parked on the side of the dirt road and hacked
my way due north until I hit the river, and came out just below the
remains of Lower Dam. Had a great time fishing, but it was completely
ignorant of the lay of the river, etc, so it would be a real treat to
fish it with someone who knows his way around. *I cast for an hour or
so from the Upper Dam also (hiked in from the gate), but it was
unproductive.


Just stand right below the dam and fish a bead-head pheasant tail
nymph all day. ;)

--Steve

Penns Clave
 

On Thu, 22 May 2008 06:28:33 -0700 (PDT), Zimbo
wrote:

Just stand right below the dam and fish a bead-head pheasant tail
nymph all day. ;)

Uhuh. That was then. This is now. New fly now.

d;o)

Penns Clave
 

In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
I'm in Massachusetts now. Look me up when you arrive in the States.
I'm in the book.

Don't forget to ask Myron about South Wales in VERY low water :-)

Damn it really was low that Wednesday but we enjoyed.
--
Bill Grey

Penns Clave
 

On May 22, 9:28*pm, Zimbo wrote:
On May 22, 6:02*am, riverman wrote:

Then I just parked on the side of the dirt road and hacked
my way due north until I hit the river, and came out just below the
remains of Lower Dam. Had a great time fishing, but it was completely
ignorant of the lay of the river, etc, so it would be a real treat to
fish it with someone who knows his way around. *I cast for an hour or
so from the Upper Dam also (hiked in from the gate), but it was
unproductive.

Just stand right below the dam and fish a bead-head pheasant tail
nymph all day. ;)

--Steve

Right in front of the cabins? Or downstream, where it shallows and you
can get out farther? I was casting from the walkway between the
spillways, but the swirly current made it hard to get a fly to sink.
Maine has a 'no added splitshot" policy, so I decided to tie up some
flies with heavy hooks and heavy beadheads for next time. That will be
this summer, I hope.

--riverman

Penns Clave
 

On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:13 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

Right in front of the cabins? Or downstream, where it shallows and you
can get out farther? I was casting from the walkway between the
spillways, but the swirly current made it hard to get a fly to sink.
Maine has a 'no added splitshot" policy, so I decided to tie up some
flies with heavy hooks and heavy beadheads for next time. That will be
this summer, I hope.

Zimbo is referring to the first Maine Clave. I placed him on the
first long spillway with *the* fly of the day, and he spent the entire
day there catching fish.

You *can* add non-toxic split shot to your leader.

Dave

Penns Clave
 

On May 23, 6:43*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:


You *can* add non-toxic split shot to your leader. *

Dave

Err...are you certain? From my Maine Fishing Regs (2007):

3. FLY means a single pointed hook dressed with feathers, hair,
thread, tinsel, or any similar material to which no additional
weights, hook, spinner, spoon or similar device is added.

4. FLY FISHING means casting upon water and retrieving in the usual
and ordinary manner not more than 3 unbaited artificial flies
individually attached to a line to which no extra weight has been
added.

------------------------------------
I've always interpreted that to mean no splitshot of any kind.
Beadheads and weighted hooks were fine, as long as the weights were
incorporated into the fly, but adding weights of any kind was
prohibited, particularly on the leader or tippet. I figured the
rationale was because weights come off and fish eat them...lead or
not, it wasn't necessarily good for them.

That, and general bureaucracy. I'd be happy to know I'm wrong...I
believe the warden at Pray's by Rip Dam interpreted it the same way.

--riverman

Penns Clave
 

On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:13 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On May 22, 9:28*pm, Zimbo wrote:
On May 22, 6:02*am, riverman wrote:

Then I just parked on the side of the dirt road and hacked
my way due north until I hit the river, and came out just below the
remains of Lower Dam. Had a great time fishing, but it was completely
ignorant of the lay of the river, etc, so it would be a real treat to
fish it with someone who knows his way around. *I cast for an hour or
so from the Upper Dam also (hiked in from the gate), but it was
unproductive.

Just stand right below the dam and fish a bead-head pheasant tail
nymph all day. ;)

--Steve

Right in front of the cabins? Or downstream, where it shallows and you
can get out farther? I was casting from the walkway between the
spillways, but the swirly current made it hard to get a fly to sink.
Maine has a 'no added splitshot" policy, so I decided to tie up some
flies with heavy hooks and heavy beadheads for next time. That will be
this summer, I hope.

--riverman

Wrong dam.

Steve was parked on Middle Dam.
You were speaking of Upper Dam.

There used to be a small dock on the west side of Upper Dam spillway (haven't
been up there in a couple of years so I don't know if it's still there) that
allowed shooting a longish cast towards the outflow. Good spot for whaling
away with streamers...

/daytripper

Penns Clave
 

On Fri, 23 May 2008 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

Err...are you certain? From my Maine Fishing Regs (2007):

3. FLY means a single pointed hook dressed with feathers, hair,
thread, tinsel, or any similar material to which no additional
weights, hook, spinner, spoon or similar device is added.

4. FLY FISHING means casting upon water and retrieving in the usual
and ordinary manner not more than 3 unbaited artificial flies
individually attached to a line to which no extra weight has been
added.

------------------------------------
I've always interpreted that to mean no splitshot of any kind.
Beadheads and weighted hooks were fine, as long as the weights were
incorporated into the fly, but adding weights of any kind was
prohibited, particularly on the leader or tippet. I figured the
rationale was because weights come off and fish eat them...lead or
not, it wasn't necessarily good for them.

Hmmmmm. Then everyone fishing the Rapid and other rivers are breaking
the law, guides included. I have fished in front of the game warden
at the Rapid (young fellow named Brent) and have asked him about it.
He says it is legal. (???) I've also asked the wardens at the fly
shows the same question and they say split shot is legal, but the sale
of *lead* shot is illegal.

Anyway, I have been using non toxic split shot on the river for
several years.

Dave

Penns Clave
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2008 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:


Err...are you certain? From my Maine Fishing Regs (2007):

3. FLY means a single pointed hook dressed with feathers, hair,
thread, tinsel, or any similar material to which no additional
weights, hook, spinner, spoon or similar device is added.

4. FLY FISHING means casting upon water and retrieving in the usual
and ordinary manner not more than 3 unbaited artificial flies
individually attached to a line to which no extra weight has been
added.

------------------------------------
I've always interpreted that to mean no splitshot of any kind.
Beadheads and weighted hooks were fine, as long as the weights were
incorporated into the fly, but adding weights of any kind was
prohibited, particularly on the leader or tippet. I figured the
rationale was because weights come off and fish eat them...lead or
not, it wasn't necessarily good for them.


Hmmmmm. Then everyone fishing the Rapid and other rivers are breaking
the law, guides included. I have fished in front of the game warden
at the Rapid (young fellow named Brent) and have asked him about it.
He says it is legal. (???) I've also asked the wardens at the fly
shows the same question and they say split shot is legal, but the sale
of *lead* shot is illegal.

Anyway, I have been using non toxic split shot on the river for
several years.

Dave



My guess is that the "no extra weight has been added" phrase is intended
to distinguish fly fishing from spin casting and bait casting, where the
"extra weight" is crucial to the cast. It's very ambiguous, though.

Ambiguous F&G regs aren't unusual. A careful reading of the Idaho regs
would lead one to believe that multi-fly rigs are illegal. In fact, you
can use up to five flies at one time.

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