For my good friend, Ken
 

The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at
Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a
contemporary term. The term was Political Correctness.

The winner wrote:


"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."



d;o)

OTT, fishing is very good inspite of the high air temps - in the 80s
this afternoon. Took big brookies yesterday, and big salmon today.
Brookies on nymphs, salmon on tan caddis drys, size 18. Fished Harry
Mason's Killer Caddis and got two nice salmon fishing it wet, just
under the surface.

Another week and a half to go.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse typed:
snip
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Now, *THAT'S* funny!
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Dirty, clean, makes no difference, so long as you taper the ends so you
don't slam shut.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:


"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."



Dave:

Does this (your distaste for pc) mean it's OK to refer to you as a
"dumbass redneck" instead of an "poorly-educated, unsophisticated
curmudgeon?"
:-)

(I would talk about fishing......but the river's are all blown out--big
time--right now. And will be so for weeks to come.
:-(

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at
Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a
contemporary term. The term was Political Correctness.

The winner wrote:


"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.

OTT, fishing is very good inspite of the high air temps - in the 80s
this afternoon. Took big brookies yesterday, and big salmon today.
Brookies on nymphs, salmon on tan caddis drys, size 18. Fished Harry
Mason's Killer Caddis and got two nice salmon fishing it wet, just
under the surface.

Another week and a half to go.

Nice to hear the weather warmed up for you. I'm being kept busy
by the cute young blonde, she's wearing me out.

--
Ken Fortenberry

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:35:46 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Nice to hear the weather warmed up for you. I'm being kept busy
by the cute young blonde, she's wearing me out.

You should see the two young blondes from Russia that are working this
summer - dishwasher and cabin girl. Eighteen and sixteen. And, the
new waitress, a black haired 21 yo from Poland, is a knockout. I am
discovering that I really am a dirty old man. Joanne doesn't worry,
however. Her thinking is that dogs chase cars and they don't know how
to drive. d;o(

A line of thunderstorms came through this afternoon. Big light and
bang show that lasted for two hours. It is now very cool, so sleeping
will be comfortable tonight, using at least two blankets. Tomorrow
promises not to be as warm, so fishing should be even better than
today.

Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Jun 10, 8:40*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

You should see the two young blondes from Russia that are working this
summer - dishwasher and cabin girl. *Eighteen and sixteen. *And, the
new waitress, a black haired 21 yo from Poland, is a knockout.


I gotta get back up there one of these years, with or without nubiles.

--Steve

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end."

As a bipartisan bar-crawler in my younger days, even now I
resent--if only in the interest of fairness--calling Republican
girls "turds."

- JR

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Jun 11, 12:13*am, JR wrote:

As a bipartisan bar-crawler in my younger days, even now I
resent--if only in the interest of fairness--calling Republican
girls "turds."


Squaws, maybe, but not turds.

--Steve

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:13:23 -0400, JR wrote:

As a bipartisan bar-crawler in my younger days, even now I
resent--if only in the interest of fairness--calling Republican
girls "turds."

d;o)

But they did have a clean end, eh?

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote

You should see the two young blondes from Russia that are working this
summer - dishwasher and cabin girl. Eighteen and sixteen. And, the
new waitress, a black haired 21 yo from Poland, is a knockout.

i've been meaning to tell you that i believe i will be able to work out
a few days up at the ol' camp this summer.
reserve me the most remote cabin available.

yfitons
wayno(dos vadanya!)

For my good friend, Ken
 

You should see the two young blondes from Russia that are working this
summer - dishwasher and cabin girl. *Eighteen and sixteen. *And, the
new waitress, a black haired 21 yo from Poland, is a knockout.

* * i've been meaning to tell you that i believe i will be able to work out
a few days up at the ol' camp this summer.
* * reserve me the most remote cabin available.

yfitons
wayno(dos vadanya!)

And lay in a stock of 10-foot poles (pun intended) for the staff.
Frank Reid

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.


I'm still waiting for the "incontrovertable facts", as all I read above is
YOUR opinion. Some numbers, please?
Tom

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.

Ken Fortenberry

Yeah, but sometimes it gets carried a little too far...or perhaps a little
to quickly...

I rally try not to take offense whenever possible...but I do wish they'd
start calling me a European-American...

john

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Jun 11, 3:42*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:

* * i've been meaning to tell you that i believe i will be able to work out
a few days up at the ol' camp this summer.
* * reserve me the most remote cabin available.


Wayno, be sure to bring an extra pillow. The beds at Lockwood only
have two.

--Steve

For my good friend, Ken
 

"asadi" wrote in message
...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.

Ken Fortenberry

Yeah, but sometimes it gets carried a little too far...or perhaps a little
to quickly...

I rally try not to take offense whenever possible...but I do wish they'd
start calling me a European-American...

john


....after all, this long hair can't cover up my red neck.....

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Jun 11, 5:32*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...

Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.

I'm still waiting for the "incontrovertable facts", as all I read above is
YOUR opinion. Some numbers, please?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

5, 73, 16, 20.

Your Welcome.
Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

wrote in message
...
5, 73, 16, 20.

Your Welcome.
Dave

well, that's a start, Dave.....g
Tom

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:42:49 -0400, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


"Dave LaCourse" wrote

You should see the two young blondes from Russia that are working this
summer - dishwasher and cabin girl. Eighteen and sixteen. And, the
new waitress, a black haired 21 yo from Poland, is a knockout.

i've been meaning to tell you that i believe i will be able to work out
a few days up at the ol' camp this summer.
reserve me the most remote cabin available.

yfitons
wayno(dos vadanya!)


I still have your bottle of "see through" from 2000. I'll give that
to the Russian girls and throw in a bottle of Putinsky vodka I bought
in Petropovlosk. That should be enough to disinfect everything.

d;o)

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:26:30 -0700, "asadi"
wrote:

I rally try not to take offense whenever possible...but I do wish they'd
start calling me a European-American...

Hell, John, when you first started posting to roff, wayno and I
thought you were either from India or the Orie.......oops, Asia. We
were surprised to see you're just one of the good ol' boys.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

salmobytes wrote:
Dave LaCourse poking

Also, for what very little it's worth. I haven't logged
in to the group in 6 weeks or so. Gave me time to ruminate.

Like Dave--who is now all in favor of PC and gun control--I had
a change of heart myself. Like the magnetic fields
which do occasionally swap ends 180 degrees periodically,
I did too.

All the off-topic chatter and political wrangling in this
group used to bug me (even though I was perhaps *more* guilty
than others myself).

But now I realize it's what the deal is here.
So, for as long as the waters flow freely, I will complain
no more for ever.

And I'll periodically jab pungy sticks into the group's
right wingers too. It's a little like bait fishing.
Nasty but fun.

For my good friend, Ken
 

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Say what you will about PC doctrine, the facts are incontrovertible
and the facts are these, eliminating offensive language from public
discourse makes it more civil and making racial slurs the sole
province of racists and bigots helps teach our young people tolerance.
There have been excesses to be sure, but overall we are a better
society and a better people because of so-called political correctness.


I'm still waiting for the "incontrovertable facts", as all I read above is
YOUR opinion. Some numbers, please?
Tom

From realclearpolitics.com:

2008 Democratic Delegates
Total Delegate Count (2118 needed to win)

Barack Obama 2229.5

--
Ken Fortenberry

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:26:30 -0700, "asadi"
wrote:

I rally try not to take offense whenever possible...but I do wish they'd
start calling me a European-American...

Hell, John, when you first started posting to roff, wayno and I
thought you were either from India or the Orie.......oops, Asia. We
were surprised to see you're just one of the good ol' boys.

Dave



HEY...ARE YOU CALLING ME A.....never mind....

john

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:32:32 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

And I'll periodically jab pungy sticks into the group's
right wingers too.

The only trouble is that the few "right wingers" here have orobably
voted for Democrats (at least I have). Voted for Jimmy Carter because
I was ****ed at Ford, for Bill Clinton because I was ****ed at Bush,
for Michael Dukakus just because. Boy, did I pick some losers.

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican. Try voting the man once
instead of lock-stepping to your party's proclamations.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

I'm beginning to believe what my good friend Ken Fortenberry says
about you. I trust his judgement. He has been correct in other
judgements of character. He apparently has you nailed.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

Fishing is terrible today. Florida Power and Light opened the dam to
4700 cfs, a flood of Biblical proportions. There are a few places to
fish if you know where the eddys are. Took a couple of small salmon
this a.m. (ciniman caddis hatch) before returning to the cabin for a
nap. Lots of ****ed fishermen in camp.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:


I spent 20 years in the Navy with blacks, some of them very dear
friends. There are other stories in my life concerning the N word,
but why should I repeat them? You wouldn't believe me, would you?
And the use of African American, or Black, or Negro, or Colored is but
a change in the way we address African Americans. It has nothing to
do with PC and everything to do with how you were brought up and your
own actions as an adult..

Dave


I do believe you Dave. I believe you hate the n-word the same way I do.
Which means you practice PC. That was my point.

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican.


I've voted for several republican in local elections.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

For my good friend, Ken
 

On 12 Jun 2008 21:42:17 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican.


I've voted for several republican in local elections.

d;o)

Didn't include you in my "most left wingers" list, Scott.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:59:53 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

I do believe you Dave. I believe you hate the n-word the same way I do.
Which means you practice PC. That was my point.

Yeah. Sure.

For my good friend, Ken
 

On 12 Jun 2008 21:42:17 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican.


I've voted for several republican in local elections.

My first vote, ever, was by absentee ballot, and it was for John F.
Kennedy. Fortunately, JFK was nothing like the mainstream Democrats
of today.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Jun 12, 1:48*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:32:32 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

And I'll periodically jab pungy sticks into the group's
right wingers too.

The only trouble is that the few "right wingers" here have orobably
voted for Democrats (at least I have). *Voted for Jimmy Carter because
I was ****ed at Ford, for Bill Clinton because I was ****ed at Bush,
for Michael Dukakus just because. *Boy, did I pick some losers. *

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican. *Try voting the man once
instead of lock-stepping to your party's proclamations.

Dave

I have voted for several republicans, would do it again for the right
man ( or woman) was running.
I draw the line at fascist wackos.

"Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible." ~ Sinclair
Lewis 1935

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

The problem with most left wingers on this ng is that they have never
nor would they ever vote for a Republican. Try voting the man once
instead of lock-stepping to your party's proclamations.

I think one gets in trouble when they try to judge how others act and think.
I, perhaps, would be viewed by you as a "left winger", yet I have not only
voted for Republicans, but have given a bit of my own cash to our Republican
Senator in two different campaigns. Specter was the better of the choices in
both cases. You may be surprised at how pragmatic most others are, David,
even if their stated positions vary radically from yours.
Tom

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:17:15 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

I think one gets in trouble when they try to judge how others act and think.

I could not agree more. I do not consider you a rabid left winger.
There is the difference, Tom. I am willing to bet that the people I
am thinking about would rather have their lips sewn shut than vote for
a Republican, *any* Republican. I once worked with a woman at GTE.
She was a technician, with no formal education, a lovely lady that I
often had coffee with in the morning. I asked her if she was voting
for such and such a candidate. Her reply was, no, he's a Republican.
He was the obvious choice and won office by a very large majority,
but she would not vote for him because of some bias ingrained in her
head from an early age. She was incapable of thinking for herself. I
believe she would have voted for just about *anyone* as long as they
were on the Democrat ticket. There are people like that on roff, and
fortunately neither you, nor Scott are one of them. Nor am I for that
matter.

obroff: Lots of mumbling at dinner tonight. After a couple of
bottles of wine, friends are kidding (I think!) about storming the dam
keeper's house in the morning, using 7 weights and wading staffs as
weapons, and lowering the flow to 1000 cfs. The lake is still full,
lapping over the top of the dam, so until that stops, the flow will be
Biblical. Going home Saturday to change my underwear, back on Monday.
The fly de jur is the streamer Little Brook Trout.

Dave

For my good friend, Ken
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:59:53 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

I do believe you Dave. I believe you hate the n-word the same way I do.
Which means you practice PC. That was my point.

Yeah. Sure.


I do. You do bait this forum with right wing worms, frequently (Obama is
dumb, PC deserves ridicule and a dozen others). So when I bite your hook
you should enjoy the fight. That's what fishing is all about.

I work on you in particular, because I sense a real guy back there
somewhere, hidden behind all that misguided reactionary politics.

For my good friend, Ken
 

salmobytes wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Yeah. Sure.


Dave:

.....my earlier "behind his back" comment was a low blow.
I admit it. But this is usenet and **** does happen, particularly
when baited hooks are involved.

More important: your now professed distaste for the infamous n-word is
the same thing as being politically correct. You might not choose to
use that term. But the concept is the same.

Sure, some people take it (pc) too far. But the basic instinct
stems from fairness and decency. You have it, use it, practice it--
I can tell (so get over it Dave. You are politically correct,
whether you like it or not).

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:26:30 -0700, "asadi"
wrote:

I rally try not to take offense whenever possible...but I do wish they'd
start calling me a European-American...

Hell, John, when you first started posting to roff, wayno and I
thought you were either from India or the Orie.......oops, Asia. We
were surprised to see you're just one of the good ol' boys.

Dave


hell, he has spent hours with me down in rowan county, and i *still*
think he's from the orient...

yfitons
wayno(all that chanting and ****...)

For my good friend, Ken
 

"salmobytes" wrote


I work on you in particular, because I sense a real guy back there
somewhere, hidden behind all that misguided reactionary politics.

"back there" is mainly the luckiest sonofabitch in the us of a. :)

wayno

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:26:30 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

I work on you in particular, because I sense a real guy back there
somewhere, hidden behind all that misguided reactionary politics.

I just be awaitin' all the change that is comin'.

d;o)

For my good friend, Ken
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:55:13 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

Sure, some people take it (pc) too far. But the basic instinct
stems from fairness and decency. You have it, use it, practice it--
I can tell (so get over it Dave. You are politically correct,
whether you like it or not

There was no such thing as pc when I learned to respect a man
regardless his color or religion. You do not *need* pc to be
respectful. It is taught to you by your parents, and if it takes
root, you pass it on to your offspring. I have done that - no pc
involved.

Dave