pumping stomach's....
 

anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

thanx

pumping stomach's....
 

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:

anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

Yes, about 15 years ago on the Rapid. The salmon's stomach was full
of little green rock worms, some of them still alive. We returned to
camp, tied a bunch of size 16 and 18 nymphs with caddis green bodies,
copper or gold ribbing, peacock herl thorax/head. On our return to
the Currents, we whacked 'em, both brookies and salmon. And so was
born the first iteration of the RR Dreaded Green Rock Worm.

Dave

pumping stomach's....
 

nice...i guess it would pay off if one was fishing one spot
for a spell.....i'll keep that info in mind...



On Jul 26, 8:12*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"

wrote:
anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

Yes, about 15 years ago on the Rapid. *The salmon's stomach was full
of little green rock worms, some of them still alive. *We returned to
camp, tied a bunch of size 16 and 18 nymphs with caddis green bodies,
copper or gold ribbing, peacock herl thorax/head. *On our return to
the Currents, we whacked 'em, both brookies and salmon. *And so was
born the first iteration of the RR Dreaded Green Rock Worm. *

Dave

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:24:54 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:

nice...i guess it would pay off if one was fishing one spot
for a spell.....i'll keep that info in mind...



My fishing partner did it. I don't own a pump. I didn't see him do
it. He actually carried little bottles to hold the specimens. I
guess he was really into it. He has since moved, so I can't help you
on how to do it. It works, however.

Dave

pumping stomach's....
 

i saw a little rubber tipped pump...it had a long
plastic tube...(in one of the fishing gear mags) ..
it was just a few bucks......lookes pretty simple...





On Jul 27, 6:53*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:24:54 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"

wrote:
nice...i guess it would pay off if one was fishing one spot
for a spell.....i'll keep that info in mind...

My fishing partner did it. *I don't own a pump. *I didn't see him do
it. *He actually carried little bottles to hold the specimens. *I
guess he was really into it. *He has since moved, so I can't help you
on how to do it. *It works, however. *

Dave

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On Jul 26, 7:59*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

thanx

I've never done this but I think everyone should. Releasing a fish
with an empty stomach means it is more likely to strike again.

pumping stomach's....
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:16:37 -0700 (PDT), graphicjak
wrote:

On Jul 26, 7:59*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

thanx

I've never done this but I think everyone should. Releasing a fish
with an empty stomach means it is more likely to strike again.

Mmmmmmm. I believe there is a certain mortality rate with stomach
pumping. Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

Dave

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On Jul 28, 3:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
*Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

I'll never forget fishing one of Michigan's upper peninsula streams
(each and every one a jewel!) and taking brookie after brookie on a
horsefly imitation. Almost every one of those brookies was so full
when I brought them to hand that they had bugs all the way up their
throats and into their mouths! But still they'd take my fly with
reckless abandon.

Dreaming of birch, loons, and the howl of timber wolves,
B

pumping stomach's....
 

On Jul 28, 1:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:16:37 -0700 (PDT), graphicjak

wrote:
On Jul 26, 7:59*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

thanx

I've never done this but I think everyone should. Releasing a fish
with an empty stomach means it is more likely to strike again.

Mmmmmmm. *I believe there is a certain mortality rate with stomach
pumping. *Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

Dave

I was being facisious Dave. I love to fish but I don't take fishing
too seriously. I think I would only pump a fish's stomach if I fished
for money. But if I fished for money it would not be very fun for me.

pumping stomach's....
 

yea.....this is a tactic for folks that are "really
into fly fishing".....b4 i pump tummies, i guess
i should be crawling up, on my tummy..to the
river banks, as to not spook the fish...i am a ways
away from doin' that also......cheers....




On Jul 29, 8:15*am, graphicjak wrote:
On Jul 28, 1:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:





On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:16:37 -0700 (PDT), graphicjak

wrote:
On Jul 26, 7:59*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
anyone do this to verify what the fish are
feeding on?

thanx

I've never done this but I think everyone should. Releasing a fish
with an empty stomach means it is more likely to strike again.

Mmmmmmm. *I believe there is a certain mortality rate with stomach
pumping. *Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

Dave

I was being facisious Dave. I love to fish but I don't take fishing
too seriously. I think I would only pump a fish's stomach if I fished
for money. But if I fished for money it would not be very fun for me.- Hide quoted text -

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I've seen guys do this and thought it was very interesting but never had
the guts to actually do it. I'm always afraid I'd hurt the fish.

santo


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On Jul 29, 1:22*pm, Santo wrote:
I've seen guys do this and thought it was very interesting but never had
the guts to actually do it. *I'm always afraid I'd hurt the fish.

santo

To quote mfitons: Hilarious!

I don't care what the rest of you say, these Jersey guys are
alright. :-)

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 28, 3:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
*Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

I'll never forget fishing one of Michigan's upper peninsula streams
(each and every one a jewel!) and taking brookie after brookie on a
horsefly imitation. Almost every one of those brookies was so full
when I brought them to hand that they had bugs all the way up their
throats and into their mouths! But still they'd take my fly with
reckless abandon.

Dreaming of birch, loons, and the howl of timber wolves,
B

On the last day of my Kamchatka trip, one of my party took an enormous
(31+ inches) rainbow on a mouse pattern. The fish never recovered
even though the guides and the sport tried for over 30 minutes. They
finally killed the fish and when they cleaned it, its stomach was full
of lemmings (mice). Big and fat it was. And delicious for breakfast
the last day.

Dave

pumping stomach's....
 

" took an enormous (31+ inches) rainbow on a mouse pattern "

wow...nice......




On Jul 29, 12:22*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
*Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

I'll never forget fishing one of Michigan's upper peninsula streams
(each and every one a jewel!) and taking brookie after brookie on a
horsefly imitation. *Almost every one of those brookies was so full
when I brought them to hand that they had bugs all the way up their
throats and into their mouths! *But still they'd take my fly with
reckless abandon.

Dreaming of birch, loons, and the howl of timber wolves,
B

On the last day of my Kamchatka trip, one of my party took an enormous
(31+ inches) rainbow on a mouse pattern. *The fish never recovered
even though the guides and the sport tried for over 30 minutes. *They
finally killed the fish and when they cleaned it, its stomach was full
of lemmings (mice). *Big and fat it was. *And delicious for breakfast
the last day.

Dave

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On Jul 29, 11:22*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:26*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
*Plus, a fish are eating machines - they'll strike if their
belly is full or empty.

I'll never forget fishing one of Michigan's upper peninsula streams
(each and every one a jewel!) and taking brookie after brookie on a
horsefly imitation. *Almost every one of those brookies was so full
when I brought them to hand that they had bugs all the way up their
throats and into their mouths! *But still they'd take my fly with
reckless abandon.

Dreaming of birch, loons, and the howl of timber wolves,
B

On the last day of my Kamchatka trip, one of my party took an enormous
(31+ inches) rainbow on a mouse pattern. *The fish never recovered
even though the guides and the sport tried for over 30 minutes. *They
finally killed the fish and when they cleaned it, its stomach was full
of lemmings (mice). *Big and fat it was. *And delicious for breakfast
the last day.

Dave

Dave, do you recall the particular mouse pattern? Im putting together
a box just for hog patterns, crawdads, mice, etc. No need for duckling
patterns however :-))

Dave

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:55:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Dave, do you recall the particular mouse pattern? Im putting together
a box just for hog patterns, crawdads, mice, etc. No need for duckling
patterns however :-))

It is the same one I used successfully in Labrador for big brookies
and pike. It is on a size 6, 4 or 2 hook, and is spun deer hair
clipped to look like a mouse. I always amputated the buckskin tail
because it *always* fouled the hook.

http://www.argentinachileflyfishing....rns/mouse.html

http://truformfly.com/patterns/flies...Rat+-+Natural/

http://www.schmidtoutfitters.com/ind...duct_id=21 36

I don't know whether the ears, eyes, and whiskers are necessary. I
hate spinning deer hair so I always bought my mouse patterns (and
Goddard Caddis too). Cut off any weed guards if you buy the above
patterns.

When you fish it, Dave, be ready to strip the fly as *soon* as it hits
the water. In Kamchatka the big rainbows (27 to 32 inches) were
underneath the foam patterns found in small eddies along the bank. I
would plop the mouse in the foam as close to the shore as I could get,
and while the thing was in the air, I was ready to strip immediately
as it hit the water. If you let it hit and then start stripping, the
fish would not take it. I guess the actual animal starts swimming
before he hits the water and the fish can tell the difference. (??)

In Labrador I would cast past the spot where I thought a fish was and
swim the pattern through the water making lots of noise.

When you see the take, hesitate just a second longer than you normally
would to set the hook. As big as the Labrador and Kamchatka hogs are,
it takes them awhile to get the hook in their mouth. When we missed a
take in Labrador, it reminded me of a toilet flushing. The guides
smiled and said that is what they call it when you miss.

Damn, I need to go to Russia again......

Dave

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On Aug 5, 1:30*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:55:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Dave, do you recall the particular mouse pattern? Im putting together
a box just for hog patterns, crawdads, mice, etc. No need for duckling
patterns however :-))

It is the same one I used successfully in Labrador for big brookies
and pike. *It is on a size 6, 4 or 2 hook, and is spun deer hair
clipped to look like a mouse. *I always amputated *the buckskin tail
because it *always* fouled the hook. *

http://www.argentinachileflyfishing....ly-patterns/mo...

http://truformfly.com/patterns/flies...Rat+-+Natural/

http://www.schmidtoutfitters.com/ind...roduct.display....

I don't know whether the ears, eyes, and whiskers are necessary. *I
hate spinning deer hair so I always bought my mouse patterns (and
Goddard Caddis too). *Cut off any weed guards if you buy the above
patterns.

When you fish it, Dave, be ready to strip the fly as *soon* as it hits
the water. *In Kamchatka the big rainbows (27 to 32 inches) were
underneath the foam patterns found in small eddies along the bank. *I
would plop the mouse in the foam as close to the shore as I could get,
and while the thing was in the air, I was ready to strip immediately
as it hit the water. *If you let it hit and then start stripping, the
fish would not take it. *I guess the actual animal starts swimming
before he hits the water and the fish can tell the difference. *(??)

In Labrador I would cast past the spot where I thought a fish was and
swim the pattern through the water making lots of noise.

When you see the take, hesitate just a second longer than you normally
would to set the hook. *As big as the Labrador and Kamchatka hogs are,
it takes them awhile to get the hook in their mouth. *When we missed a
take in Labrador, it reminded me of a toilet flushing. *The guides
smiled and said that is what they call it when you miss. *

Damn, I need to go to Russia again......

Dave

Thanx.
I get why you clipped the tails...they do foul the hook. I love the
look and have fished Whitlock style mice. And most of the patterns
seem to have tails. What Im fishing now has no tail but 2 back legs.
Sometimes sturdier grizzley, sometimes hair, I haven't tried rubber
yet but it seems the more wiggley the legs the better it would be. Ive
seen no pattern that has front legs, but from the few times Ive seen
the actual swimming mouse, the back legs are evident in their swimming
movements.

Your tip on stripping asap makes sense, as well as the foam line
placement.

Thanx for the pix.

Seems that there would be more voles and such so Im going to also look
for smaller patterns.

Ive been tempted to soak em in blood but . . . . ONLY JOKING GUYS.

Dave