Jersey update
 

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to appropriate
our content for his website, without permission, and to claim copyright for
his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be the only
recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and had to meet with
family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that I am on vacation, with
loads of free time this week). What sort of stinks is that the end result
might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing website, which seems to have a goodly
number of decent folks using it in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that
they cannot seem to prevail on their administration to see common sense.
Tom

Jersey update
 

"Tom Littleton" wrote in
news:RDElk.163$_H1.133@trnddc05:

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to
appropriate our content for his website, without permission, and to
claim copyright for his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be
the only recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and
had to meet with family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that
I am on vacation, with loads of free time this week). What sort of
stinks is that the end result might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing
website, which seems to have a goodly number of decent folks using it
in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that they cannot seem to
prevail on their administration to see common sense.
Tom




Is this the same guy who was doing this some years back??



--
Scott
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Scott Seidman wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote:
apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to
appropriate our content for his website, without permission, and to
claim copyright for his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be
the only recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and
had to meet with family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that
I am on vacation, with loads of free time this week). What sort of
stinks is that the end result might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing
website, which seems to have a goodly number of decent folks using it
in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that they cannot seem to
prevail on their administration to see common sense.

Is this the same guy who was doing this some years back??

Yep, same guy. He was just as rude and belligerent the last time
this came up.

Anybody know how much a discrete, little denial of service attack
launched from Taiwan costs ? Maybe we could all chip in. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
:

Anybody know how much a discrete, little denial of service attack
launched from Taiwan costs ? Maybe we could all chip in. ;-)

Maybe he can just cut us checks for the increased ad revenue claiming our
traffic gets him. Perhaps if we all modify our .sigs to reflect jsut how
much of a jerk this guy is, he'll cut us off.

--
Scott
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Jersey update
 

"Tom Littleton" wrote in
news:RDElk.163$_H1.133@trnddc05:

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to
appropriate our content for his website, without permission, and to
claim copyright for his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be
the only recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and
had to meet with family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that
I am on vacation, with loads of free time this week). What sort of
stinks is that the end result might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing
website, which seems to have a goodly number of decent folks using it
in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that they cannot seem to
prevail on their administration to see common sense.
Tom




Looks like he's claiming all the Catskill Fly Tyers Guild stuff, and a
whole bunch of paflyfish stuff and Delaware River stuff as his own content
as well. This guy understands zip about web linking etiquette.

Clearly, he just wants to fill some content to sell ads, and solicit
"contributions" to run his clearinghouse of everybody else's content. I
wish I could find a way to generate money off of everybody's mouse clicks.

--
Scott
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Scott Seidman wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote in
news:RDElk.163$_H1.133@trnddc05:

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to
appropriate our content for his website, without permission, and to
claim copyright for his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be
the only recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and
had to meet with family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that
I am on vacation, with loads of free time this week). What sort of
stinks is that the end result might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing
website, which seems to have a goodly number of decent folks using it
in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that they cannot seem to
prevail on their administration to see common sense.

Looks like he's claiming all the Catskill Fly Tyers Guild stuff, and a
whole bunch of paflyfish stuff and Delaware River stuff as his own content
as well. This guy understands zip about web linking etiquette.

Clearly, he just wants to fill some content to sell ads, and solicit
"contributions" to run his clearinghouse of everybody else's content. I
wish I could find a way to generate money off of everybody's mouse clicks.

Well, if he keeps his word posting to roff and rofft from NEFF
will remain disabled. That was the biggest issue to my mind.
Those poor schmucks didn't know they were posting to Usenet and
some of them were appalled when they found out they had done so.

Yeah, it's sleazy as hell to misrepresent the Usenet newsgroup
roff as the NEFF - Global Fly Fishing Forum but I don't think it's
actionable. Dennis Cabarle is clearly a scumbag but sadly there
is ofttimes no legal recourse against scumbags.

My posts don't show up over there, he put me in a killfile along
with Tom Littleton, and their posts don't show up here. It made
for a fun weekend but I'm going to declare victory and go take
a shower after wrestling with a scumbag.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Jersey update
 

On Aug 4, 9:47*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to appropriate
our content for his website, without permission, and to claim copyright for
his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be the only
recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and had to meet with
family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that I am on vacation, with
loads of free time this week). What sort of stinks is that the end result
might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing website, which seems to have a goodly
number of decent folks using it in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that
they cannot seem to prevail on their administration to see common sense.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Hmm, wonder if this helps
Frank Reid
© 2008 - Do not redistribute outside of USENet without the owners
specific permission.

Jersey update
 

On Aug 5, 12:45*am, Frank Reid wrote:
On Aug 4, 9:47*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to appropriate
our content for his website, without permission, and to claim copyright for
his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be the only
recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and had to meet with
family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that I am on vacation, with
loads of free time this week). What sort of stinks is that the end result
might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing website, which seems to have a goodly
number of decent folks using it in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that
they cannot seem to prevail on their administration to see common sense..
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Hmm, wonder if this helps
Frank Reid
© 2008 *- Do not redistribute outside of USENet without the owners
specific permission.

Probably not. A lot of sites upload usenet posts...google a few words
from an old post and see all the places it appears. Its return-access
that is universally prohibited; something that DA was unaware of
(willingly so, apparently). I think being publicly read and
distributed is the price we pay for discoursing on an public access
format.

FWIW, I think I'm not banned there (I also joined up in an effort to
see what was happening on that end), nor do I feel a need to become
so...I think most of the posters there seem like likeable folks. But
there certainly are some (DA in particular) who seems to embody the
ugly cultural stereotype.

--riverman

Jersey update
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...
...I think most of the posters there seem like likeable folks. But
there certainly are some (DA in particular) who seems to embody the
ugly cultural stereotype.

--riverman

I would agree, Myron. Even to go so far as state that most I encountered
there are good folks.
Tom

Jersey update
 

On Aug 4, 12:03*pm, riverman wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:45*am, Frank Reid wrote:





On Aug 4, 9:47*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to appropriate
our content for his website, without permission, and to claim copyright for
his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be the only
recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and had to meet with
family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that I am on vacation, with
loads of free time this week). What sort of stinks is that the end result
might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing website, which seems to have a goodly
number of decent folks using it in a responsible fashion. It is a shame that
they cannot seem to prevail on their administration to see common sense.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Hmm, wonder if this helps
Frank Reid
© 2008 *- Do not redistribute outside of USENet without the owners
specific permission.

Probably not. A lot of sites upload usenet posts...google a few words
from an old post and see all the places it appears. Its return-access
that is universally prohibited; something that DA was unaware of
(willingly so, *apparently). I think being publicly read and
distributed is the price we pay for discoursing on an public access
format.

Well, just want to ensure that any stories I post are not lifted and
used by someone else.
Frank Reid

Jersey update
 

"Frank Reid © 2008" wrote in message
...
Well, just want to ensure that any stories I post are not lifted and
used by someone else.
Frank Reid

fwiw, Frank, I think right is on our side on this point.
My posts were going into NEFF from ROFF whenever I posted here. I mentioned
on NEFF this AM that I had contacted my lawyers, and amazingly, I am now
killfiled onto NEFF. I suspect your copyright will have exactly the same
effect. Whatever the reason, it came not a moment too soon. Having to be
nice online to Fortenberry and LaCourse was damned near killing me.g
Tom

Jersey update
 

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid © 2008" wrote in message
...
Well, just want to ensure that any stories I post are not lifted and
used by someone else.
Frank Reid

fwiw, Frank, I think right is on our side on this point.
My posts were going into NEFF from ROFF whenever I posted here. I mentioned
on NEFF this AM that I had contacted my lawyers, and amazingly, I am now
killfiled onto NEFF. I suspect your copyright will have exactly the same
effect.

Well, it hasn't yet. Frank's posts, complete with copyright
disclaimer, are being posted to the NEFF - Global Fly Fishing
Forum.

Whatever the reason, it came not a moment too soon. Having to be
nice online to Fortenberry and LaCourse was damned near killing me.g

I'm glad I've never been so afflicted. I've never felt a need
to be nice to anybody, online or otherwise. Not that I don't
appreciate what must be a herculean effort on your part. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Jersey update
 

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:06:27 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

Having to be
nice online to Fortenberry and LaCourse was damned near killing me.g

Oh, the pain........

(I sort of miss babyblue and AKSkim - it was fun while it lasted)

LaCockaroacha

Jersey update
 

Frank Reid © 2008 wrote in news:9ad6ec33-9050-460d-
:

Well, just want to ensure that any stories I post are not lifted and
used by someone else.


Or worse.... posted without a "do not try this at home" waiver.


--
Scott
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Jersey update
 

Without any trouble I just googled this:

http://fishingbanter.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Dave

Jersey update
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Without any trouble I just googled this:

http://fishingbanter.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Dave

I, personally have no problem with this sort of thing.
First, no one is claiming copyright over the material, which is clearly
described as from rec.outdoors.fishing.flyfishing.
Second, no one is allowed, that I can see, to post to ROFF, using smileys,
binary sig files or the like.
Tom

Jersey update
 

well, John, the mere threat had them killfile me, so nothing I write appears
on there(except posts to that forum, from within the forum, where I have
amused myself a bit.
Now, Connor, lying scumbag that he is, may be a bit more difficult to deal
with. Note his words below:
Tom

--
"The last one, I wont reply to you again, because there is simply no point
in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

8/3/08 7:30 pm EDT

Jersey update
 

"Ken Fortenberry"


wish I could find a way to generate money off of everybody's mouse
clicks.


You'd be rich....'cause I click my mouse a lot..and flick and hold it tell
it I lo-...never mind....

John

Jersey update
 

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
news:RDElk.163$_H1.133@trnddc05...
apparently, Dennis the Dickhead feels that he has every right to
appropriate our content for his website, without permission, and to claim
copyright for his subsequent use.
He emphasized that again, this morning, on his site.

Sadly, the suggestion to go to 'cease and desists' would seem to be the
only recourse. I have made a couple inquiries this morning, and had to
meet with family lawyers this week anyway(sucks for Denny that I am on
vacation, with loads of free time this week). What sort of stinks is that
the end result might be a closure of the NJFlyfishing website, which seems
to have a goodly number of decent folks using it in a responsible fashion.
It is a shame that they cannot seem to prevail on their administration to
see common sense.
Tom
\

Well Tom...I'll kick in a hundred bucks and we will go class action? - How
about it guys?

I wish the resident law guys could tell us how to get into the pockets of
the advertisers...

john

Jersey update
 

On Aug 5, 6:50*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
well, John, the mere threat had them killfile me, so nothing I write appears
on there(except posts to that forum, from within the forum, where I have
amused myself a bit.


LOL. I just saw that I was killfiled also....I really don't think I
was all that offensive at all (at least by roff standards). Wish I
knew what 'trackbacks', 'pingbacks' and 'refbacks' were, since thats
all I have left.

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However, in terms of a litigation suit about using material without
permission, I would think that killfiling me actually hurts the
sysadmin's case: if I were an active poster, he could claim that I had
given tacit approval to use my posts from roff. Now, he is clearly
saying on one hand that my posts are NOT welcome, then he is
uploading them on the other hand.

--riverman

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On Aug 5, 1:33*pm, riverman wrote:
On Aug 5, 6:50*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

well, John, the mere threat had them killfile me, so nothing I write appears
on there(except posts to that forum, from within the forum, where I have
amused myself a bit.

LOL. I just saw that I was killfiled also....I really don't think I
was all that offensive at all (at least by roff standards). Wish I
knew what 'trackbacks', 'pingbacks' and 'refbacks' were, since thats
all I have left.

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However, in terms of a litigation suit about using material without
permission, I would think that killfiling me actually hurts the
sysadmin's case: if I were an active poster, he could claim that I had
given tacit approval to *use my posts from roff. Now, he is clearly
saying on one hand *that my posts are NOT welcome, then he is
uploading them on the other hand.

--riverman

BTW, if it hasn't been mentioned...rofft is no longer being shown
there. But roff still is, as is the sal****er site. AFAIK, they still
dump their posts there also, but I'm not certain of that.

--riverman

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On Aug 5, 1:36*pm, riverman wrote:
On Aug 5, 1:33*pm, riverman wrote:





On Aug 5, 6:50*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

well, John, the mere threat had them killfile me, so nothing I write appears
on there(except posts to that forum, from within the forum, where I have
amused myself a bit.

LOL. I just saw that I was killfiled also....I really don't think I
was all that offensive at all (at least by roff standards). Wish I
knew what 'trackbacks', 'pingbacks' and 'refbacks' were, since thats
all I have left.

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However, in terms of a litigation suit about using material without
permission, I would think that killfiling me actually hurts the
sysadmin's case: if I were an active poster, he could claim that I had
given tacit approval to *use my posts from roff. Now, he is clearly
saying on one hand *that my posts are NOT welcome, then he is
uploading them on the other hand.

--riverman

BTW, if it hasn't been mentioned...rofft is no longer being shown
there. But roff still is, as is the sal****er site. AFAIK, they still
dump their posts there also, but I'm not certain of that.

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

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Damn....sorry for replying to my own post, but rofft IS still being
shown, just the shortcut is deleted.

--riverman

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On Aug 5, 1:51*am, riverman wrote:
On Aug 5, 1:36*pm, riverman wrote:





On Aug 5, 1:33*pm, riverman wrote:

On Aug 5, 6:50*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

well, John, the mere threat had them killfile me, so nothing I write appears
on there(except posts to that forum, from within the forum, where I have
amused myself a bit.

LOL. I just saw that I was killfiled also....I really don't think I
was all that offensive at all (at least by roff standards). Wish I
knew what 'trackbacks', 'pingbacks' and 'refbacks' were, since thats
all I have left.

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However, in terms of a litigation suit about using material without
permission, I would think that killfiling me actually hurts the
sysadmin's case: if I were an active poster, he could claim that I had
given tacit approval to *use my posts from roff. Now, he is clearly
saying on one hand *that my posts are NOT welcome, then he is
uploading them on the other hand.

--riverman

BTW, if it hasn't been mentioned...rofft is no longer being shown
there. But roff still is, as is the sal****er site. AFAIK, they still
dump their posts there also, but I'm not certain of that.

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

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Damn....sorry for replying to my own post, but rofft IS still being
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--riverman- Hide quoted text -

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Riverman, You truely are an idiot in every sense of the word.

http://groups.google.st/group/rec.ou...c2bdff0b5cb3bb
http://www.fishing-forum.com/rec.out...hits_3279.html
http://www.mombu.com/fishing/fishing...7-1203046.html
http://www.fishingtalk.info/fly-fish...-t6119-10.html
http://www.borgclan.com/forums/f39/2...ain-again.html
http://fishingbanter.com/showthread.php?t=31755

Those are the first few that come up with your ingenious alias. It's
time for you to move on. The only reason
I removed them from my site was not because of the threats, but
because I'm not looking to host a "Wild West" saloon
style message board.

I believe you're the one who offered to pony up the $100.00 to start
the class action suit. I'll tell yah what... Let's make a deal...
Give me the $100.00, I'll kick you in the balls, spit in your face,
and we'll call it a day.

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"Paraleptropy" wrote in message
...

snipped
Dennis, this isn't productive. First, because you, yourself,stated to me
that it was time to let things die, didn't you? Second, the 100-buck offer
came from Asadi,who you haven't a clue about. All in the know here realize
that one was tongue-in-cheek. If you want to open up this can of worms
again, feel free, but it strikes me as ill-advised......
Tom
.....steps back, and waits for the expected response.
--
"The last one, I wont reply to you again, because there is simply no point
in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

8/3/08 7:30 pm EDT

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On Aug 6, 12:51*am, Paraleptropy wrote:
Riverman, You truely are an idiot in every sense of the word.

(snip)
I believe you're the one who offered to pony up the $100.00 to start
the class action suit. *I'll tell yah what... Let's make a deal...
Give me the $100.00, I'll kick you in the balls, spit in your face,
and we'll call it a day.- Hide quoted text -

Well, SFB, you have hardly proven beyond a doubt that I'm the idiot.

I'm NOT the guy who offered to pony up $100, neither am I some
foreigner with a marginal use of english 'beyond a few colorful
metafores' (by the way, you meant 'idioms'). In fact, every fact-
based characterization you have made of me and most roffians either
had the facts wrong or had posts attributed to the wrong persons. You
didn't even know what ROFF and ROFFT stand for. Yeah, I'm the idiot
all right. D'uh on me.

I mean, if you can't get simple FACTS straight,spell 'mataphore' in a
sentence accusing someone of having poor English skills, or even
properly attribute posts correctly, I don't really trust your
assertions about such things as who may or may not be an idiot.
Certainly such things as the technological difference between usenet
and web-based groups is way beyond your comprehension. And your
deterioration to simple threats of personal assualt are the perfect
characterization of the New Jersey mentality.

You've done nothing but deflect and mischaracterize, and surprisingly
enough, YOUR idiocy started this whole thing. So enjoy your lunch,
welcome to roff, and I hope you make a few friends while you're here.

--riverman

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On Aug 6, 3:56*am, riverman wrote:
spell 'mataphore' in a sentence accusing someone of having poor English skills,


D'oH! I -hate- when I do that.
*thwap*

--riverman