Oh well
 

Hmm.......... seems I am no closer to understanding what makes you
people tick than I ever was.

The fact that you support such extremely dishonourable conduct is
quite astonishing. I simply fail to comprehend how that can be.

I don´t suppose it is of any really earth shattering consequence
though.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/ROFF

Oh well
 

On Aug 7, 9:54*pm, wrote:

Hmm.......... seems I am no closer to understanding what makes you
people tick than I ever was.

The fact that you support such extremely dishonourable conduct is
quite astonishing. *I simply fail to comprehend how that can be.

Dishonorable conduct? You have a beef with certain posters so you
decide to innudate us with multiple posts that say the same thing,
most of it gibberish and you want to talk about dishonorable conduct.
Your behavior these past few days borders on some the most infantile
crap most of us have ever seen from a reputed adult. But at the end of
the day, we can no more control Ken than we can control you.

We operate in a free environment and those of us in America, at least,
value our freedoms, one of which is the freedom of speech. The Ken and
you got into offer remarks you made about Gays in Europe does not make
things dishonorable here. Your comments, however they were intended,
came across as homophobic and Ken never has been afraid to express his
opinion and you played right into it. Personally I think most of the
problems result from cultural differences that most of us have not
experienced nor we have any comprehension of it.

Much the same way you played into with Gehrke or any other numerous
other spats over the years. Hell, I remember you called me ":stupid"
for disagreeing with one of your fishing assertions once. Before you
call me a liar, remember there is a large archive of posts on google.

Ken plays you like a fiddle and you walk right into it. What I do or
don't do has nothing to do with it. You own your website and the
content, you don't own ROFF nor do you own ROFFT. And you know darn
well you are pushing if not exceeding the boundaries of the terms of
participation for most internet isps and websites over some perceived
slight.

As others have said, you take this stuff way too seriously. Your fly
fishing jones goes beyond what most of us here think as normal, but at
the same time the olympics will soon be upon us with people that did
nothing but practice their sports for years for this chance to
participate. When you';re as serious as you are about something, it
becomes hard to see the forest for the trees and to bring the level
you are imparting to the level of the person you are consulting. Your
fly line splicing is a perfect example. Most of us don't need to
playing with heads to fish the waters we fish over here. Maybe how and
where you fish it is important, and good for you that you can do it.
That I don't doesn't mean anything more than I don't make and use
shooting heads.

Regardless of what you think of Ken. I consider him a friend, I may
not agree with him on his opinions or how he presents his arguments,
all the time but last I checked agreeing with someone all the time was
not a requirement to be a friend. So I'll add my name to the list that
asks you to chill. Honor comes in many forms and doing dishonorable
things as revenge on something you think is dishonorable does not
justify it. You know it.

Oh well
 

On 7-Aug-2008, Wayne Knight wrote:

Dishonorable conduct? You have a beef with certain posters so you
decide to innudate us with multiple posts that say the same thing,
most of it gibberish and you want to talk about dishonorable conduct.
Your behavior these past few days borders on some the most infantile
crap most of us have ever seen from a reputed adult. But at the end of
the day, we can no more control Ken than we can control you.

We operate in a free environment and those of us in America, at least,
value our freedoms, one of which is the freedom of speech. The Ken and
you got into offer remarks you made about Gays in Europe does not make
things dishonorable here. Your comments, however they were intended,
came across as homophobic and Ken never has been afraid to express his
opinion and you played right into it. Personally I think most of the
problems result from cultural differences that most of us have not
experienced nor we have any comprehension of it.

Much the same way you played into with Gehrke or any other numerous
other spats over the years. Hell, I remember you called me ":stupid"
for disagreeing with one of your fishing assertions once. Before you
call me a liar, remember there is a large archive of posts on google.

Ken plays you like a fiddle and you walk right into it. What I do or
don't do has nothing to do with it. You own your website and the
content, you don't own ROFF nor do you own ROFFT. And you know darn
well you are pushing if not exceeding the boundaries of the terms of
participation for most internet isps and websites over some perceived
slight.

As others have said, you take this stuff way too seriously. Your fly
fishing jones goes beyond what most of us here think as normal, but at
the same time the olympics will soon be upon us with people that did
nothing but practice their sports for years for this chance to
participate. When you';re as serious as you are about something, it
becomes hard to see the forest for the trees and to bring the level
you are imparting to the level of the person you are consulting. Your
fly line splicing is a perfect example. Most of us don't need to
playing with heads to fish the waters we fish over here. Maybe how and
where you fish it is important, and good for you that you can do it.
That I don't doesn't mean anything more than I don't make and use
shooting heads.



A rational appeal

Will it work?

I hope so
but I think not

There's a line from a song "one step over the line"
I think that we already are miles from that.

I hope that I am wrong.

Fred

Oh well
 

On Aug 8, 5:07*am, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Aug 7, 9:54*pm, wrote:

Hmm.......... seems I am no closer to understanding what makes you
people tick than I ever was.

The fact that you support such extremely dishonourable conduct is
quite astonishing. *I simply fail to comprehend how that can be.

Dishonorable conduct? You have a beef with certain posters so you
decide to innudate us with multiple posts that say the same thing,
most of it gibberish and you want to talk about dishonorable conduct.
Your behavior these past few days borders on some the most infantile
crap most of us have ever seen from a reputed adult. But at the end of
the day, we can no more control Ken than we can control you.

We operate in a free environment and those of us in America, at least,
value our freedoms, one of which is the freedom of speech. The Ken and
you got into offer remarks you made about Gays in Europe does not make
things dishonorable here. Your comments, however they were intended,
came across as homophobic and Ken never has been afraid to express his
opinion and you played right into it. Personally I think most of the
problems result from cultural differences that most of us have not
experienced nor we have any comprehension of it.

Much the same way you played into with Gehrke or any other numerous
other spats over the years. Hell, I remember you called me ":stupid"
for disagreeing with one of your fishing assertions once. Before you
call me a liar, remember there is a large archive of posts on google.

Ken plays you like a fiddle and you walk right into it. What I do or
don't do has nothing to do with it. You own your website and the
content, you don't own ROFF nor do you own ROFFT. And you know darn
well you are pushing if not exceeding the boundaries of the terms of
participation for most internet isps and websites over some perceived
slight.

As others have said, you take this stuff way too seriously. Your fly
fishing jones goes beyond what most of us here think as normal, but at
the same time the olympics will soon be upon us with people that did
nothing but practice their sports for years for this chance to
participate. When you';re as serious as you are about something, it
becomes hard to see the forest for the trees and to bring the level
you are imparting to the level of the person you are consulting. Your
fly line splicing is a perfect example. Most of us don't need to
playing with heads to fish the waters we fish over here. Maybe how and
where you fish it is important, and good for you that you can do it.
That I don't doesn't mean anything more than I don't make and use
shooting heads.

Regardless of what you think of Ken. I consider him a friend, I may
not agree with him on his opinions or how he presents his arguments,
all the time but last I checked agreeing with someone all the time was
not a requirement to be a friend. So I'll add my name to the list that
asks you to chill. Honor comes in many forms and doing dishonorable
things as revenge on something you think is dishonorable does not
justify it. You know it.

A very rational and sensible post, which I read several times and
digested thoroughly. It is truly a pity that you have no influence on
your sick ****bag mother****er of a friend.

Why don´t you write him a similar epistle on the virtues of honour and
common sense?

If i thought that what I did was dishonourable, I simply wouldn´t do
it.

What you think about what I should think or do, while interesting, is
completely irrelevant.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Aug 8, 7:52*am, "Fred" wrote:
On *7-Aug-2008, Wayne Knight wrote:



Dishonorable conduct? You have a beef with certain posters so you
decide to innudate us with multiple posts that say the same thing,
most of it gibberish and you want to talk about dishonorable conduct.
Your behavior these past few days borders on some the most infantile
crap most of us have ever seen from a reputed adult. But at the end of
the day, we can no more control Ken than we can control you.

We operate in a free environment and those of us in America, at least,
value our freedoms, one of which is the freedom of speech. The Ken and
you got into offer remarks you made about Gays in Europe does not make
things dishonorable here. Your comments, however they were intended,
came across as homophobic and Ken never has been afraid to express his
opinion and you played right into it. Personally I think most of the
problems result from cultural differences that most of us have not
experienced nor we have any comprehension of it.

Much the same way you played into with Gehrke or any other numerous
other spats over the years. Hell, I remember you called me ":stupid"
for disagreeing with one of your fishing assertions once. Before you
call me a liar, remember there is a large archive of posts on google.

Ken plays you like a fiddle and you walk right into it. What I do or
don't do has nothing to do with it. You own your website and the
content, you don't own ROFF nor do you own ROFFT. And you know darn
well you are pushing if not exceeding the boundaries of the terms of
participation for most internet isps and websites over some perceived
slight.

As others have said, you take this stuff way too seriously. Your fly
fishing jones goes beyond what most of us here think as normal, but at
the same time the olympics will soon be upon us with people that did
nothing but practice their sports for years for this chance to
participate. When you';re as serious as you are about something, it
becomes hard to see the forest for the trees and to bring the level
you are imparting to the level of the person you are consulting. Your
fly line splicing is a perfect example. Most of us don't need to
playing with heads to fish the waters we fish over here. Maybe how and
where you fish it is important, and good for you that you can do it.
That I don't doesn't mean anything more than I don't make and use
shooting heads.

A rational appeal

Will it work?

I hope so
but I think not

There's a line from a song "one step over the line"
I think that we already are miles from that.

I hope that I am wrong.

Fred

It had worked Fred, reagrdless of what you think or believe, my
apology was sincere, and I had simply left. But that mother****er
Forteneberry simply started again.

he is a lying dishonourable piece of stinking ****e, and I am going to
keep on telling everybody that for as long as I have the wherewithal
to do so.

As I told you before, iof you don´t like it, then **** off.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Aug 8, 5:07*am, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Aug 7, 9:54*pm, wrote:

Hmm.......... seems I am no closer to understanding what makes you
people tick than I ever was.

The fact that you support such extremely dishonourable conduct is
quite astonishing. *I simply fail to comprehend how that can be.

Dishonorable conduct? You have a beef with certain posters so you
decide to innudate us with multiple posts that say the same thing,
most of it gibberish and you want to talk about dishonorable conduct.
Your behavior these past few days borders on some the most infantile
crap most of us have ever seen from a reputed adult. But at the end of
the day, we can no more control Ken than we can control you.

We operate in a free environment and those of us in America, at least,
value our freedoms, one of which is the freedom of speech. The Ken and
you got into offer remarks you made about Gays in Europe does not make
things dishonorable here. Your comments, however they were intended,
came across as homophobic and Ken never has been afraid to express his
opinion and you played right into it. Personally I think most of the
problems result from cultural differences that most of us have not
experienced nor we have any comprehension of it.

Much the same way you played into with Gehrke or any other numerous
other spats over the years. Hell, I remember you called me ":stupid"
for disagreeing with one of your fishing assertions once. Before you
call me a liar, remember there is a large archive of posts on google.

Ken plays you like a fiddle and you walk right into it. What I do or
don't do has nothing to do with it. You own your website and the
content, you don't own ROFF nor do you own ROFFT. And you know darn
well you are pushing if not exceeding the boundaries of the terms of
participation for most internet isps and websites over some perceived
slight.

As others have said, you take this stuff way too seriously. Your fly
fishing jones goes beyond what most of us here think as normal, but at
the same time the olympics will soon be upon us with people that did
nothing but practice their sports for years for this chance to
participate. When you';re as serious as you are about something, it
becomes hard to see the forest for the trees and to bring the level
you are imparting to the level of the person you are consulting. Your
fly line splicing is a perfect example. Most of us don't need to
playing with heads to fish the waters we fish over here. Maybe how and
where you fish it is important, and good for you that you can do it.
That I don't doesn't mean anything more than I don't make and use
shooting heads.

Regardless of what you think of Ken. I consider him a friend, I may
not agree with him on his opinions or how he presents his arguments,
all the time but last I checked agreeing with someone all the time was
not a requirement to be a friend. So I'll add my name to the list that
asks you to chill. Honor comes in many forms and doing dishonorable
things as revenge on something you think is dishonorable does not
justify it. You know it.

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

Evil only triumphs because good men do nothing.

Do you consider yourself a good man?

How do you justify this creature´s behaviour to yourself?

Trying to justify ot to me, or somehow blaming me for the fact that
your friend is a total mother****er is more than somewhat riduculous.

Up to now I have respected what you wrote abaout a lot of things in a
quiet sensible manner.

However, if you support a ****ing total ****bag like Fortenberry, you
are in actual fact no better than he is, and forfeit all respect as a
result.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

It had worked Fred, reagrdless of what you think or believe, my
apology was sincere, and I had simply left. But that mother****er
Forteneberry simply started again.

Go back, Mike, and read the posts. Fortenberry said nothing about
your apology. Others did and you went off your rocker again. It was
only then that Fortenberry came aboard. Fortenberry did not start
this latest brouhaha.

Dave

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 4:41*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:
It had worked Fred, reagrdless of what you think or believe, my
apology was sincere, and I had simply left. But that mother****er
Forteneberry simply started again.

Go back, Mike, and read the posts. *Fortenberry said nothing about
your apology. *Others did and you went off your rocker again. *It was
only then that Fortenberry came aboard. *Fortenberry did not start
this latest brouhaha.

Dave

I thought you had noticed by now that I had ceased replying to your
rubbish?

Not because I think you are evil or a piece of disgusting lying ****e
like your mate Fortenberry, but because I think you are just too
****ing stupid to waste any time on.

Everything you post merely serves to confirm my analysis.

**** off LaCourse, I don´t give a **** what you think or write.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:45:32 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 4:41*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:
It had worked Fred, reagrdless of what you think or believe, my
apology was sincere, and I had simply left. But that mother****er
Forteneberry simply started again.

Go back, Mike, and read the posts. *Fortenberry said nothing about
your apology. *Others did and you went off your rocker again. *It was
only then that Fortenberry came aboard. *Fortenberry did not start
this latest brouhaha.

Dave

I thought you had noticed by now that I had ceased replying to your
rubbish?

Not because I think you are evil or a piece of disgusting lying ****e
like your mate Fortenberry, but because I think you are just too
****ing stupid to waste any time on.

Everything you post merely serves to confirm my analysis.

**** off LaCourse, I don´t give a **** what you think or write.

Mike Connor

Take your meds, Mike. This hatred is going to kill you.

Dave

Oh well
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:40:47 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

However, if you support a ****ing total ****bag like Fortenberry, you
are in actual fact no better than he is, and forfeit all respect as a
result.

Well, I can't speak for Wayne, but if it is a choice between you and
Fortenberry, that decision is quite easy.

Dave

Oh well
 

wrote:
snip
Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like you're doing,
no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and makes the situation
worse. If it's gathering up the clubs, pitchforks, and torches and marching
to Chambana, we'd probably just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is making
you read these posts.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 5:41*am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like you're doing,
no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and makes the situation
worse. If it's gathering up the clubs, pitchforks, and torches and marching
to Chambana, we'd probably just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is making
you read these posts.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

You just don´t get it do you? It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

I tried ignoring him, it simply doesn´t work. I really don´t know what
you think, or believe, or imagine you know. But this crap has caused a
lot of people to e-mail me, people on other boards where I was a long
time and highly respected member have asked me what is going on and
why.

Have you ever heard the expression "there´s no smoke without fire", or
"Give a dog a bad name"?

You seem to think that these antics are restricted to your own little
world here on ROFF, the fact that they are transmitted to ever more
and more places around the world as syndications, or because some
board owner steals the content and feeds it, seems to entirely escape
your notice.

Several members of this group also posted provocative and insulting
post about me on other boards. They were banned and their posts
deleted, but the damage was done.

It may not be of any concern at all to you what people write about
you, simply because it has no effect on you. What Fortenberry and
these other ****s write about me does have an effect.

The more popular my website became, and it doesn´t really make much
difference to me what you believe, but my site was up to well over
100,000 hits per month, the more people I got asking questions about
the rubbish on ROFF, and some backlash from other boards.

Whether you think I am a pompous prig, or above myself, or know too
much about fly-fishing, or whatever the hell else you think, how
should I know? The campaign these *******s started and continued has
severely affected my reputation in the international angling
community, where I was a respected figure.

It seems there are actually a few people who now believe I am a queer
and hang around railway stations. This is purely a result of the
constantly repeated propaganda here.

You asked me what I suggest? I have no idea what to suggest, if I had
I would have suggested it long ago..

As it is, I have ceased all contributions to other boards anywhere, I
have deleted my website, ( which is also causing my mailboxes to fill
up again), because that is the only way I can see forward.

For many years I have spent a great deal of time trying to help
others, in fly-fishing and in other areas, and I was highly respected
and liked by all I came into contact with. Even on ROFF for quite a
long time. These *******s here have torpedoed that, quite
purposefully.

Do you imagine they don´t know what they are doing, or are somehow
excused because they are stupid or unprincipled?

I am perfectly well aware that my posts here are not doing anybody any
good at all, but at least some people will be reading them and not
making the mistake of trusting you snakes, or imagining that you might
be friends.

There is no way to undo the damage you people have done to me. I have
simply capitulated now, and I don´t post anywhere at all any more, and
I have deleted my site and my forum and also ceased a number of other
projects.

I am not stupid, and I know there is not much I can do about it all.
But what little I can do, I will, and if that involves spending a
great deal of time making sure everybody knows what you are and what
you are capable of, then so be it.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

Mike I think that you are a figment really of someone's crazy imagination
and a warped sense of humor
I think and I even know that you are a fake and this whole thing w you and
Fortenberry is all a game to both of you.

As a matter of fact I think that you were made up by Ken and that you are
really one and the same
So You are reality just a sock puppet as are your alter egos of a warped and
insane Ken Fortenberry

Alrighht Ken -quit it - Its gotten ridiculous.
Its time for Mike Conners to disappear again for another few months

This is all too ludicrous and scripted to be real.

Fred

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 6:28*am, "Fred" wrote:
Mike I think that you are a figment really of someone's crazy imagination
and a warped sense of humor
I think and I even know that you are a fake and this whole thing w you and
Fortenberry is all a game to both of you.

*As a matter of fact I think that you were made up by Ken and that you are
*really one and the same
So You are reality just a sock puppet as are your alter egos of a warped and
insane Ken Fortenberry

Alrighht Ken -quit it - *Its gotten ridiculous.
Its time for Mike Conners to disappear *again for another few months

This is all too ludicrous and scripted to be real.

Fred


Here is another excellent example of stupidity. This idiot doesn´t
even seem to know where he is, he apparently thinks this is fairy-tale
land or something similar. He sends bundles of abusive post to people
signed "Dick Cheney".

This is fairly typical actually for a huge number of inernet users.
They are just stupid, and quite incapable of sensible communication.
Now one could call him all sorts of things, or tell a few lies about
him, or say he is a child molester or a pervert, and a lot of other
things, but it wouldn´t make any difference to him, as he is quite
obviously a totally stupid non-entity. It would not affect him much
because nobody either knows or cares who he is. If he continues to be
so stupid, he will lose his internet account anyway, because there are
many people who will complain about his abuse instead of simply
ignoring it as the folly of an idiot, as I did.

One other point, which is germane, and you and others constantly
mention, is your staunch avowals of high regard for free speech.

When Fortenberry, Dean and others use this to lie about and defame
others, you apparently think nothing of it, but when somebody who is
being attacked by these people, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT and
can do it with impunity, or for whatever other perverse reasons they
have for doing it, then you get all upset and tell me I am crazy or
ranting, or all the other rubbish you post.

Have you no sense? Nobody is that stupid. You must know the damage
these people cause, and you not only accept it, you condone and
support it.

Don´t you ever wonder what the various people who read this stuff
think? Here is another common expression for you which you may or may
not be familiar with "Birds of a feather hang together".

Just by being here you are tainted by the actions of these people.
This in an INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC NEWSGROUP. Not a private discussion
group. The crap you people post is read by who knows how many people
around the world, and is also archived more or less forever so that
any time somebody does a search on my name, they don´t just find my
articles, stories, or website etc, they find all this crap as well.
The same applies if they do a search on apparently innocuous things
like "North Country Flies", or a whole host of other things as well.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:41 am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply
for fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like
you're doing, no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and
makes the situation worse. If it's gathering up the clubs,
pitchforks, and torches and marching to Chambana, we'd probably just
end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is
making you read these posts.

You just don´t get it do you? It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.
snip

I'm not the one who doesn't get it. If, in fact, this latest spat has caused
you problems, most are self-inflicted and self-perpetuated. Maybe that's the
intention - the "any publicity is good publicity" method - I have no way of
knowing. Ken doesn't have the power to damage your reputation, but your
responses show your true character. A single, simple response made with some
dignity and without all the vile invectives would have sufficed.

I don't expect my opinions and posts will change anything, but I wish you'd
step back for a moment and gain some perspective.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 1:44*pm, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:41 am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply
for fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like
you're doing, no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and
makes the situation worse. If it's gathering up the clubs,
pitchforks, and torches and marching to Chambana, we'd probably just
end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is
making you read these posts.

You just don´t get it do you? *It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

snip

I'm not the one who doesn't get it. If, in fact, this latest spat has caused
you problems, most are self-inflicted and self-perpetuated. Maybe that's the
intention - the "any publicity is good publicity" method - I have no way of
knowing. Ken doesn't have the power to damage your reputation, but your
responses show your true character. A single, simple response made with some
dignity and without all the vile invectives would have sufficed.

I don't expect my opinions and posts will change anything, but I wish you'd
step back for a moment and gain some perspective.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Think whatever you please, it does not change the facts. This latest
"spat" as you put it was only the last in a line, and every time
Fortenberry was responsible.

It also makes no difference at all what you believe, a few simple
enquiries would suffice to ensure what I say is true.

He has also upset and injured many others over time, and they have
simply left, because they had that option.

My mistake was ever coming to this place at all. There is no way to
change that either.

I am certainly going to do my absolute level best to stop anybody else
being hurt by him.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 1:44*pm, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:41 am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply
for fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like
you're doing, no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and
makes the situation worse. If it's gathering up the clubs,
pitchforks, and torches and marching to Chambana, we'd probably just
end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is
making you read these posts.

You just don´t get it do you? *It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

snip

I'm not the one who doesn't get it. If, in fact, this latest spat has caused
you problems, most are self-inflicted and self-perpetuated. Maybe that's the
intention - the "any publicity is good publicity" method - I have no way of
knowing. Ken doesn't have the power to damage your reputation, but your
responses show your true character. A single, simple response made with some
dignity and without all the vile invectives would have sufficed.

I don't expect my opinions and posts will change anything, but I wish you'd
step back for a moment and gain some perspective.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Oh,and perhaps you can tell me how "publicity" for a non-existent
website is going to do anybody any good?

Logic isn´t your strong suit.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:44 pm, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:41 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are
aware that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others
simply for fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something
about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like
you're doing, no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies,
and makes the situation worse. If it's gathering up the clubs,
pitchforks, and torches and marching to Chambana, we'd probably
just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is
making you read these posts.

You just don´t get it do you? It also seems that you and others
haven ´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

snip

I'm not the one who doesn't get it. If, in fact, this latest spat
has caused you problems, most are self-inflicted and
self-perpetuated. Maybe that's the intention - the "any publicity is
good publicity" method - I have no way of knowing. Ken doesn't have
the power to damage your reputation, but your responses show your
true character. A single, simple response made with some dignity and
without all the vile invectives would have sufficed.

I don't expect my opinions and posts will change anything, but I
wish you'd step back for a moment and gain some perspective.

Oh,and perhaps you can tell me how "publicity" for a non-existent
website is going to do anybody any good?

Logic isn´t your strong suit.

You websites have been up and down like yo-yos, so spare me the lectures on
logic. Since it's obvious you aren't going to try to gain any perspective on
this issue, I'm done trying to reason with you, and I don't care for your
insinuations any more than you like them thrown at you. Good luck, Mike. I
hope you find some inner peace somewhere along the line.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 2:59*pm, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:44 pm, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:41 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are
aware that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others
simply for fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something
about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like
you're doing, no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies,
and makes the situation worse. If it's gathering up the clubs,
pitchforks, and torches and marching to Chambana, we'd probably
just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is
making you read these posts.

You just don´t get it do you? It also seems that you and others
haven ´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

snip

I'm not the one who doesn't get it. If, in fact, this latest spat
has caused you problems, most are self-inflicted and
self-perpetuated. Maybe that's the intention - the "any publicity is
good publicity" method - I have no way of knowing. Ken doesn't have
the power to damage your reputation, but your responses show your
true character. A single, simple response made with some dignity and
without all the vile invectives would have sufficed.

I don't expect my opinions and posts will change anything, but I
wish you'd step back for a moment and gain some perspective.

Oh,and perhaps you can tell me how "publicity" for a non-existent
website is going to do anybody any good?

Logic isn´t your strong suit.

You websites have been up and down like yo-yos, so spare me the lectures on
logic. Since it's obvious you aren't going to try to gain any perspective on
this issue, I'm done trying to reason with you, and I don't care for your
insinuations any more than you like them thrown at you. Good luck, Mike. I
hope you find some inner peace somewhere along the line.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

I did not insinuate anything at all. I simply told you the truth. I
have no idea why you people always have to throw in something like
that.

My website was down for a while because the operating costs were
dependent on traffic and the traffic got very high indeed, meaning I
had to pay a lot of extra money for it.

I enjoy helping people, or providing enjoyment and interest, but I
simply can´t afford to pay that amount of money for the pleasure, and
so I had to take it off linen until I found an alternative.

I have all the perspective I want on you people, I only wish it was a
long way behind me.

I don´t know whether your "good wishes", such as they are are sincere,
if they are thank you, and I´m sure I will, AFTER I have dealt with
Fortenberry.

A very good day to you.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

wrote in message
...

I enjoy helping people, or providing enjoyment and interest, but I
simply can´t afford to pay that amount of money for the pleasure, and
so I had to take it off linen until I found an alternative.

Didn't you mean "off line" and not "off linen?" You probably don't know
this, being an illierate Nazi, but the first two words are associated with
the internet and the other two word are associated with nothing that makes
any sense at all, unless you keep your website on some type of fabrics?

Wow, talk about your illiterate SKINHEADS!

A very good day to you mein Fuhrer.

Op

I have all the perspective I want on you people, I only wish it was a
long way behind me.

I don´t know whether your "good wishes", such as they are are sincere,
if they are thank you, and I´m sure I will, AFTER I have dealt with
Fortenberry.

A very good day to you.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:19:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:41*am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like you're doing,
no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and makes the situation
worse. If it's gathering up the clubs, pitchforks, and torches and marching
to Chambana, we'd probably just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is making
you read these posts.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

You just don´t get it do you? It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

I tried ignoring him, it simply doesn´t work. I really don´t know what
you think, or believe, or imagine you know. But this crap has caused a
lot of people to e-mail me, people on other boards where I was a long
time and highly respected member have asked me what is going on and
why.

Have you ever heard the expression "there´s no smoke without fire", or
"Give a dog a bad name"?

You seem to think that these antics are restricted to your own little
world here on ROFF, the fact that they are transmitted to ever more
and more places around the world as syndications, or because some
board owner steals the content and feeds it, seems to entirely escape
your notice.

Several members of this group also posted provocative and insulting
post about me on other boards. They were banned and their posts
deleted, but the damage was done.

It may not be of any concern at all to you what people write about
you, simply because it has no effect on you. What Fortenberry and
these other ****s write about me does have an effect.

The more popular my website became, and it doesn´t really make much
difference to me what you believe, but my site was up to well over
100,000 hits per month,

Pure bull****. Through July, your site doesn't even get 0.1% of the
hits of all bplaced.net traffic, which means that if your claim were
true, bplaced.net would be getting over 100 million hits a month ( for
some perspective, there are about 65 million Google searches - that's
_searches_ not individual users - a day, eBay gets about 50 million a
month, craigslist.org about 20 million a month). And of all bplaced.net
traffic, 70.8% is from Germany or Austria (64.5% from Germany, 6.3% from
Austria), 3.7% is from the US, 3% is from Turkey, 1.8% is from
Switzerland, and all other countries are 1% or less. And the most
important number of all: 10,253. "What's that?" one might ask. The
number of unique visitors to bplaced.net...


R

the more people I got asking questions about
the rubbish on ROFF, and some backlash from other boards.

Whether you think I am a pompous prig, or above myself, or know too
much about fly-fishing, or whatever the hell else you think, how
should I know? The campaign these *******s started and continued has
severely affected my reputation in the international angling
community, where I was a respected figure.

It seems there are actually a few people who now believe I am a queer
and hang around railway stations. This is purely a result of the
constantly repeated propaganda here.

You asked me what I suggest? I have no idea what to suggest, if I had
I would have suggested it long ago..

As it is, I have ceased all contributions to other boards anywhere, I
have deleted my website, ( which is also causing my mailboxes to fill
up again), because that is the only way I can see forward.

For many years I have spent a great deal of time trying to help
others, in fly-fishing and in other areas, and I was highly respected
and liked by all I came into contact with. Even on ROFF for quite a
long time. These *******s here have torpedoed that, quite
purposefully.

Do you imagine they don´t know what they are doing, or are somehow
excused because they are stupid or unprincipled?

I am perfectly well aware that my posts here are not doing anybody any
good at all, but at least some people will be reading them and not
making the mistake of trusting you snakes, or imagining that you might
be friends.

There is no way to undo the damage you people have done to me. I have
simply capitulated now, and I don´t post anywhere at all any more, and
I have deleted my site and my forum and also ceased a number of other
projects.

I am not stupid, and I know there is not much I can do about it all.
But what little I can do, I will, and if that involves spending a
great deal of time making sure everybody knows what you are and what
you are capable of, then so be it.

Mike Connor

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 5:48*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:19:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:



On Aug 9, 5:41*am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like you're doing,
no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and makes the situation
worse. If it's gathering up the clubs, pitchforks, and torches and marching
to Chambana, we'd probably just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is making
you read these posts.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

You just don´t get it do you? *It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

I tried ignoring him, it simply doesn´t work. I really don´t know what
you think, or believe, or imagine you know. But this crap has caused a
lot of people to e-mail me, people on other boards where I was a long
time and highly respected member have asked me what is going on and
why.

Have you ever heard the expression "there´s no smoke without fire", or
"Give a dog a bad name"?

You seem to think that these antics are restricted to your own little
world here on ROFF, the fact that they are transmitted to ever more
and more places around the world as syndications, or because some
board owner steals the content and feeds it, seems to entirely escape
your notice.

Several members of this group also posted provocative and insulting
post about me on other boards. They were banned and their posts
deleted, but the damage was done.

It may not be of any concern at all to you what people write about
you, simply because it has no effect on you. What Fortenberry and
these other ****s write about me does have an effect.

The more popular my website became, and it doesn´t really make much
difference to me what you believe, but my site was up to well over
100,000 hits per month,

Pure bull****. *Through July, your site doesn't even get 0.1% of the
hits of all bplaced.net traffic, which means that if your claim were
true, bplaced.net would be getting over 100 million hits a month ( for
some perspective, there are about 65 million Google searches - that's
_searches_ not individual users - a day, eBay gets about 50 million a
month, craigslist.org about 20 million a month). *And of all bplaced.net
traffic, 70.8% is from Germany or Austria (64.5% from Germany, 6.3% from
Austria), 3.7% is from the US, 3% is from Turkey, 1.8% is from
Switzerland, and all other countries are 1% or less. *And the most
important number of all: 10,253. *"What's that?" one might ask. *The
number of unique visitors to *bplaced.net...

R

the more people I got asking questions about
the rubbish on ROFF, and some backlash from other boards.

Whether you think I am a pompous prig, or above myself, or know too
much about fly-fishing, or whatever the hell else you think, how
should I know? *The campaign these *******s started and continued has
severely affected my reputation in the international angling
community, where I was a respected figure.

It seems there are actually a few people who now believe I am a queer
and hang around railway stations. This is purely a result of the
constantly repeated propaganda here.

You asked me what I suggest? *I have no idea what to suggest, if I had
I would have suggested it long ago..

As it is, I have ceased all contributions to other boards anywhere, I
have deleted my website, ( which is also causing my mailboxes to fill
up again), because that is the only way I can see forward.

For many years I have spent a great deal of time trying to help
others, in fly-fishing and in other areas, and I was highly respected
and liked by all I came into contact with. Even on ROFF for quite a
long time. These *******s here have torpedoed that, quite
purposefully.

Do you imagine they don´t know what they are doing, or are somehow
excused because they are stupid or unprincipled?

I am perfectly well aware that my posts here are not doing anybody any
good at all, but at least some people will be reading them and not
making the mistake of trusting you snakes, or imagining that you might
be friends.

There is no way to undo the damage you people have done to me. I have
simply capitulated now, and I don´t post anywhere at all any more, and
I have deleted my site and my forum and also ceased a number of other
projects.

I am not stupid, and I know there is not much I can do about it all.
But what little I can do, I will, and if that involves spending a
great deal of time making sure everybody knows what you are and what
you are capable of, then so be it.

Mike Connor

My website has only been on bplaced since the beginning of July.
Before that it was hosted free at the FFT forums, the largest angling
forums on the web, as a service to anglers.

The owner of those forums kindly provided the space free of charge.
Unfortunately, it proved extremely difficult to manage the site using
transatlantic FTP communications.

I doubt he will give you usage statistics, as they are none of your
business.

Hope this helps

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

Oh well
 

On Aug 9, 5:59*pm, wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:48*pm, wrote:



On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:19:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:41*am, "Tim J." wrote:
wrote:

snip

Oh, and as for "playing me like a fiddle", firstly, if you are aware
that he is simply provoking defaming and lying about others simply for
fun or perverse pleasure, why don´t you do something about it?

What do you suggest? Seriously. If it's ranting on and on like you're doing,
no thanks. It's just a waste of time and energies, and makes the situation
worse. If it's gathering up the clubs, pitchforks, and torches and marching
to Chambana, we'd probably just end up in a long line anyway. ;-)

Another serious question: Why can't you just ignore him? No one is making
you read these posts.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

You just don´t get it do you? *It also seems that you and others haven
´t the slightest idea of the problems this has caused me.

I tried ignoring him, it simply doesn´t work. I really don´t know what
you think, or believe, or imagine you know. But this crap has caused a
lot of people to e-mail me, people on other boards where I was a long
time and highly respected member have asked me what is going on and
why.

Have you ever heard the expression "there´s no smoke without fire", or
"Give a dog a bad name"?

You seem to think that these antics are restricted to your own little
world here on ROFF, the fact that they are transmitted to ever more
and more places around the world as syndications, or because some
board owner steals the content and feeds it, seems to entirely escape
your notice.

Several members of this group also posted provocative and insulting
post about me on other boards. They were banned and their posts
deleted, but the damage was done.

It may not be of any concern at all to you what people write about
you, simply because it has no effect on you. What Fortenberry and
these other ****s write about me does have an effect.

The more popular my website became, and it doesn´t really make much
difference to me what you believe, but my site was up to well over
100,000 hits per month,

Pure bull****. *Through July, your site doesn't even get 0.1% of the
hits of all bplaced.net traffic, which means that if your claim were
true, bplaced.net would be getting over 100 million hits a month ( for
some perspective, there are about 65 million Google searches - that's
_searches_ not individual users - a day, eBay gets about 50 million a
month, craigslist.org about 20 million a month). *And of all bplaced.net
traffic, 70.8% is from Germany or Austria (64.5% from Germany, 6.3% from
Austria), 3.7% is from the US, 3% is from Turkey, 1.8% is from
Switzerland, and all other countries are 1% or less. *And the most
important number of all: 10,253. *"What's that?" one might ask. *The
number of unique visitors to *bplaced.net...

R

the more people I got asking questions about
the rubbish on ROFF, and some backlash from other boards.

Whether you think I am a pompous prig, or above myself, or know too
much about fly-fishing, or whatever the hell else you think, how
should I know? *The campaign these *******s started and continued has
severely affected my reputation in the international angling
community, where I was a respected figure.

It seems there are actually a few people who now believe I am a queer
and hang around railway stations. This is purely a result of the
constantly repeated propaganda here.

You asked me what I suggest? *I have no idea what to suggest, if I had
I would have suggested it long ago..

As it is, I have ceased all contributions to other boards anywhere, I
have deleted my website, ( which is also causing my mailboxes to fill
up again), because that is the only way I can see forward.

For many years I have spent a great deal of time trying to help
others, in fly-fishing and in other areas, and I was highly respected
and liked by all I came into contact with. Even on ROFF for quite a
long time. These *******s here have torpedoed that, quite
purposefully.

Do you imagine they don´t know what they are doing, or are somehow
excused because they are stupid or unprincipled?

I am perfectly well aware that my posts here are not doing anybody any
good at all, but at least some people will be reading them and not
making the mistake of trusting you snakes, or imagining that you might
be friends.

There is no way to undo the damage you people have done to me. I have
simply capitulated now, and I don´t post anywhere at all any more, and
I have deleted my site and my forum and also ceased a number of other
projects.

I am not stupid, and I know there is not much I can do about it all.
But what little I can do, I will, and if that involves spending a
great deal of time making sure everybody knows what you are and what
you are capable of, then so be it.

Mike Connor

My website has only been on bplaced since the beginning of July.
Before that it was hosted free at the FFT forums, the largest angling
forums on the web, as a service to anglers.

The owner of those forums kindly provided the space free of charge.
Unfortunately, it proved extremely difficult to manage the site using
transatlantic FTP communications.

I doubt he will give you usage statistics, as they are none of your
business.

Hope this helps

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

Here you go http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showforum=2 simply
go there and ask him.

Hope this helps too.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

Oh well
 

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:06:01 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:



My website has only been on bplaced since the beginning of July.
Before that it was hosted free at the FFT forums, the largest angling
forums on the web, as a service to anglers.


The owner of those forums kindly provided the space free of charge.
Unfortunately, it proved extremely difficult to manage the site using
transatlantic FTP communications.

I doubt he will give you usage statistics, as they are none of your
business.

He doesn't need to - I have them (and they are a real corker...):

They average under 10,000 uniques a month (7-07 through 7-08) and guess
what? They were on a steady decline from a peak of 11,000 down to about
4,000 until...wait for it...the beginning of July, when traffic picked
up a tad over 50%...(hee hee hee)...

Hope this helps

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

Here you go http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showforum=2 simply
go there and ask him.

See above.

Hope this helps too.

Mike Connor
SNICKER VANG MU, DEJA VU!
R