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[email protected] August 23rd, 2008 12:02 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
....who, presumably, will be hoping for, A) a good seat at the Inaugural
Address and, B) that President McCain doesn't hold really big grudges...

Sheesh,
R
....and funny thing is, Biden's probably the best practical choice of
Obama's "front runners"...or, well, he was before he hooked up with the
Great Off-White Hope...


Tom Littleton August 23rd, 2008 12:17 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

wrote in message
...
...who, presumably, will be hoping for, A) a good seat at the Inaugural
Address and, B) that President McCain doesn't hold really big grudges...

Sheesh,
R
...and funny thing is, Biden's probably the best practical choice of
Obama's "front runners"...or, well, he was before he hooked up with the
Great Off-White Hope...


Then again, he might serve out a couple of terms in the new Obama
administration, and show everyone that he may be one of the smartest men in
Washington. Meanwhile, the wrinkled white-haired candidate gets to choose
between showing that he has an independent set of balls and knuckling under
to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannitty. Wanna guess which way McCain will go??
Tom



Dave LaCourse August 23rd, 2008 03:27 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:17:48 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

Then again, he might serve out a couple of terms in the new Obama
administration, and show everyone that he may be one of the smartest men in
Washington. Meanwhile, the wrinkled white-haired candidate gets to choose
between showing that he has an independent set of balls and knuckling under
to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannitty. Wanna guess which way McCain will go??


And, then again, perhaps the Dems in Denver will select Hillary come
Wednesday. It would only take about 5% of the delegates to do that,
and they are free to do so. Obama should be many points ahead of Mac
at this point in the journey. He is trailing Mac in many polls and at
best even in others. Are the Dems whistling past the graveyard?

I like Biden, but he has said many pro McCain statements, and many
anti-Obama statements, including, "(Obama) lacks the experience to be
president. The job is not one where you can rely on OJT." Strong
words coming from your "running mate". I think it is slowly dawning
on some that Obama lacks not only foreign policy experience (why else
would he pick Biden), but a domestic policy (higher taxes) that will
lead the economy into the dolrums. Every tax cut has brought more
money to the coffers than tax increases which tend to worsen an
economy. Even Warren Buffet (who has never seen a tax he did not
like) has said it would be suicide to tax windfall profits on the oil
companies.

Dave (sitting here wondering why the hell *I* didn't get the text
message on my Blackberry)

Tom Littleton August 23rd, 2008 05:45 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
And, then again, perhaps the Dems in Denver will select Hillary come
Wednesday. It would only take about 5% of the delegates to do that,
and they are free to do so.


never will happen....just a feel-good day for the Clinton folks at the
convention.


Obama should be many points ahead of Mac
at this point in the journey.


why?


He is trailing Mac in many polls and at
best even in others. Are the Dems whistling past the graveyard?


we shall see who is whistling, my friend. I suspect that all the predictable
bluster from the right masks the fact that:
1. Biden scares them ****less and, 2.They know that much of Obama's support
comes from those outside standard polling access, as most mainstream polling
does not hit a Blackberry/cellphone/text message culture well, at all.

I like Biden, but he has said many pro McCain statements, and many
anti-Obama statements, including, "(Obama) lacks the experience to be
president. The job is not one where you can rely on OJT." Strong
words coming from your "running mate".


yes, and classic Biden at that. Shows, at least to me, that Obama has enough
gumption to be able to avoid a 'yes-
man' by his side in the administration or on the campaign trail. I like that
in a leader, personally. YMMV.


I think it is slowly dawning
on some that Obama lacks not only foreign policy experience (why else
would he pick Biden), but a domestic policy (higher taxes) that will
lead the economy into the dolrums. Every tax cut has brought more
money to the coffers than tax increases which tend to worsen an
economy.


utter nonsense. Both the Reagan and Bush jr. tax cuts achieved one salient
thing: the immediate and sizeable rise in deficit spending. Money to the
coffers? Hardly, all that rose in either case was the size of the IOU's we
cut, often to foreign nations not exactly sharing our national interests.
Tom



Dave LaCourse August 23rd, 2008 05:51 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:45:27 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

never will happen.


But it *could*.

d;o)



~^ beancounter ~^ August 23rd, 2008 06:03 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
as a voter...i think biden is a great pick for hussene obama.....





On Aug 23, 5:02*am, wrote:
...who, presumably, will be hoping for, A) a good seat at the Inaugural
Address and, B) that President McCain doesn't hold really big grudges...

Sheesh,
R
...and funny thing is, Biden's probably the best practical choice of
Obama's "front runners"...or, well, he was before he hooked up with the
Great Off-White Hope...



[email protected] August 23rd, 2008 07:00 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:17:48 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
...who, presumably, will be hoping for, A) a good seat at the Inaugural
Address and, B) that President McCain doesn't hold really big grudges...

Sheesh,
R
...and funny thing is, Biden's probably the best practical choice of
Obama's "front runners"...or, well, he was before he hooked up with the
Great Off-White Hope...


Then again, he might serve out a couple of terms in the new Obama
administration, and show everyone that he may be one of the smartest men in
Washington. Meanwhile, the wrinkled white-haired candidate gets to choose
between showing that he has an independent set of balls and knuckling under
to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannitty. Wanna guess which way McCain will go??
Tom


Hey, I said Biden is probably the best practical choice. He's a pretty
sharp guy and pol, esp. when the press isn't around when he's speaking
off-hand, and he'd probably make a fair Prez (again, as long as he NEVER
had to make an unscripted speech). But I imagine Turdblossom and the
Rovettes are probably damper than nymphos in an NFL lockerroom over some
of Biden's past statements, some straightforward and honest (like his
comments to Jon Stewart, who is a friend of McCain's) and others, well,
let's just say that they don't do Obama much good. I can see the press
conference now:

"Senator Biden, what's your opinion of your running mate?"

"Well, Sam, he's a good-looking, well-dressed guy, and when he speaks,
you'd never guess he's half jigaboo..."

"Uh...what?"

"No, I mean it. Look at the guy, bright white teeth against that
mocha-colored skin - he's a handsome guy. And he doesn't need $500.00
loafers and 136 houses to seem like your average, normal white guy..."

"Er, yeah...well, what about your comments regarding you running WITH
John McCain?"

"Oh, well, Sam, that's before anyone had really heard of Barack Obama."

"Senator, you said it in late 2005..."

"Right. Exactly. Way back then, no one knew who Barack was. Heck, all
he had done up to that point is made a speech and voted "present" a
bunch. Heck, I'd didn't even know who he was when I saw him around the
Senate...I just figured he was some actor friend of Hillary's or maybe
Barney's new 'friend'..."

"WHAT?"

"I still think McCain would make one heck of President, but I just think
Obama would make a better one..."

"Why do you say that? What would you say are his biggest
qualifications?"

"The man gives one heck of a speech. Just about every twenty-something
year old white democratic girl I know just swoons at the mere mention of
his name. Some of the guys, too. Like I said, look at him - if he were
a gal, he'd be Halle Berry..."

"WHAT?"

"Yeah, I heard someone say that Barack is the Halle Berry of American
politics - Jon Stewart or Al Franken or Bill Maher, one of those guys,
and just look at him - they're right as rain."

"Senator Biden, what do you think of the whispers that you and Obama are
beginning to look suspiciously like McGovern/Eagleton..."

"That's ridiculous - Obama's black."

"Thanks for your time, Senator..."

"Thank you...say, you look a little macaque-ish to me...are you sure
you're a reporter and not a convenience store clerk?"

And for the record, I don't really think Biden is a racist, but some of
his statements are just Vermont white-boy naive (and sometimes, contain
a grain truth or at least a grain of what a whole bunch of folks of all
races, creeds, and colors are REALLY thinking.

TC,
R


Tom Littleton August 23rd, 2008 08:46 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...

as a voter...i think biden is a great pick for hussene obama.....



good on ya, rich! A try at the usual middle name smear, and you even manage
to **** that up. Congrats!
Tom





On Aug 23, 5:02 am, wrote:
...who, presumably, will be hoping for, A) a good seat at the Inaugural
Address and, B) that President McCain doesn't hold really big grudges...

Sheesh,
R
...and funny thing is, Biden's probably the best practical choice of
Obama's "front runners"...or, well, he was before he hooked up with the
Great Off-White Hope...




Tom Littleton August 23rd, 2008 08:54 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

wrote in message
...
he'd probably make a fair Prez (again, as long as he NEVER
had to make an unscripted speech).


as you may remember, I've seen old Joe in action since 1972, having worked
on his first Senate campaign. Personally, I like his straightforward,
unvarnished way of presenting himself. He'll do just fine, IMO. Today, I
heard one talking head put it well.....even when Joe commits some verbal
gaffe, you are left thinking afterward that, to some extent, he was right.
Oh, and that sound you may hear in the background is the Democrat coalition
coming together nicely. Let the right try the smear campaign and
out-of-context quote game.....I think Biden can handle anything they throw
at him.
I ask, once again, what is McCain going to come up with for a veep pick??
I'm awaiting either a complete sell-out to the extreme right wing, or some
off-the-wall attempt at a home run ball that blows up in his face.
Tom



[email protected] August 24th, 2008 12:45 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:54:35 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
he'd probably make a fair Prez (again, as long as he NEVER
had to make an unscripted speech).


as you may remember, I've seen old Joe in action since 1972, having worked
on his first Senate campaign. Personally, I like his straightforward,
unvarnished way of presenting himself.


Again, I, too, think he is a fairly decent guy, as pols go (as is
McCain); some oddballs ideas (again, like McCain), but generally a guy
seeming to truly want do the right thing (again, like McCain). In fact,
take him and McCain apart, put the pieces in a box, shake it, and build
a coupla pols back and never have to worry about which parts went
where...well, except one of 'em might think they needed an immediate
haircut...at a barber shop...

He'll do just fine, IMO. Today, I heard one talking head put it well.....
even when Joe commits some verbal
gaffe, you are left thinking afterward that, to some extent, he was right.


Er, see my reply...the part you snipped...and I'd agree. Unfortunately,
one of his "gaffes" was saying, generally, the McCain would make a great
Prez and another was that Obama had the experience of a 10-year-old on
his first "date"...and I suspect that a few more people than Obama (and
now him) really want to think such are going to think, "Ya know, ol' Joe
WAS right..."

Oh, and that sound you may hear in the background is the Democrat coalition
coming together nicely.


Naw, that's just Billary and Hil..., er Bill and Hillary and all the
little Clintonistas scurrying around gathering rocks...

Let the right try the smear campaign and out-of-context quote game...


Yeah, the lefties would never take anything out of context and try and
twist it...IAC, the real problem for Obama is that a lot of it isn't
smear and in-context is worse than out-of-context...

..I think Biden can handle anything they throw at him.


Oh, from a personal political standpoint, I do, too. He's a pro, and
I'd bet that no matter what he says about McCain or McCain says about
him, they'll be fine with each other when it's over. From a
getting-elected standpoint, I'm VERY dubious of anyone's ability to
handle it as far as getting past it to the White House.

I ask, once again, what is McCain going to come up with for a veep pick??


Actually, McCain's "problem" really isn't a (big) "problem." I think
Romney is probably his best choice (and probably, the best overall Prez
candidate among Biden, Obama, and McCain and him if the voters are
voting "economy is job #1," which also makes him McCain's best choice).
I'm awaiting either a complete sell-out to the extreme right wing, or some
off-the-wall attempt at a home run ball that blows up in his face.


I don't think McCain could take any bigger risk than Biden, as far as
having a veep that can be made to appear to the public to be ticking.
Huckabee would be a equal "ticker," but not a _bigger_ potential boom.

I suspect, but can't prove, that Biden was more the elder Dems pick
rather than Obama's in that they told him, basically, "Look, you got 'em
all worked up and you're a good-looking kid with a potentially bright
future. When you're old enough for erections, you can erect, but until
then, you can run the pep rallies, vote 'present' and watch and learn,
but let the adults work...oh, and keep that **** of wife out of
everyone's way - we learned our lesson with Hillary on THAT ****..." I
also suspect that they aren't any more sure of whether he's just an
appealing empty suit or a real up-and-comer than anyone else who pays
real attention.

TC,
R
Tom


~^ beancounter ~^ August 24th, 2008 01:13 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
close enough...i think ya get my point....btw: my time mag
came today,,,the kids got scared from the pic of the "scary
man" on the cover...yikes......biden had him pegged earlier
this year when he spoke of hussines's "qualifications"..sorry,
not too good at spelling muslium ****....







good on ya, rich! A try at the usual middle name smear, and you even manage
to **** that up. Congrats!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


Opus--Mark H. Bowen August 24th, 2008 01:54 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
close enough...i think ya get my point....btw: my time mag
came today,,,the kids got scared from the pic of the "scary
man" on the cover...yikes......biden had him pegged earlier
this year when he spoke of hussines's "qualifications"..sorry,
not too good at spelling muslium ****....

It's Oh So funny to watch rightwing nut cases **** ther pants. All y'all got
going for ya is fear-mongering.

How many houses do you own beancounter? If you are able to count them,
you're doin' better than John McBushed is capable of!

Op





good on ya, rich! A try at the usual middle name smear, and you even
manage
to **** that up. Congrats!
Tom




~^ beancounter ~^ August 24th, 2008 02:32 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
i've visited all 50 states... ‹(•¿•)›



On Aug 23, 6:54*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ...
close enough...i think ya get my point....btw: my time mag
came today,,,the kids got scared from the pic of the "scary
man" on the cover...yikes......biden had him pegged earlier
this year when he spoke of hussines's "qualifications"..sorry,
not too good at spelling muslium ****....

It's Oh So funny to watch rightwing nut cases **** ther pants. All y'all got
going for ya is fear-mongering.

How many houses do you own beancounter? If you are able to count them,
you're doin' better than John McBushed is capable of!

Op





good on ya, rich! A try at the usual middle name smear, and you even
manage
to **** that up. Congrats!
Tom- Hide quoted text -


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~^ beancounter ~^ August 24th, 2008 02:44 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
i've visited all 57 states... ‹(•¿•)›




On Aug 23, 6:54*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ...
close enough...i think ya get my point....btw: my time mag
came today,,,the kids got scared from the pic of the "scary
man" on the cover...yikes......biden had him pegged earlier
this year when he spoke of hussines's "qualifications"..sorry,
not too good at spelling muslium ****....

It's Oh So funny to watch rightwing nut cases **** ther pants. All y'all got
going for ya is fear-mongering.

How many houses do you own beancounter? If you are able to count them,
you're doin' better than John McBushed is capable of!

Op





good on ya, rich! A try at the usual middle name smear, and you even
manage
to **** that up. Congrats!
Tom- Hide quoted text -


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Fred August 24th, 2008 03:20 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
Mulim **** eh?

No f'in way am I getting involved in this thread - but I thought that Biden
was a salmonoid

Fred

[email protected] August 24th, 2008 07:04 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:20:43 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

Mulim **** eh?

No f'in way am I getting involved in this thread - but I thought that Biden
was a salmonoid

Fred


Geez..."muslium," "mulim"...what, did you crackers forget how to spell
"raghead" or something...

Sheesh,
R

Tom Littleton August 24th, 2008 12:08 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

wrote in message
...
Geez..."muslium," "mulim"...what, did you crackers forget how to spell
"raghead" or something...

Sheesh,
R


no kidding......insults, when typed out by those too stupid to spell them
properly, sort of lose the sting. It would be like me getting all worked up,
and calling beancounter a right wing whackjob who was 'illiterit'.....
Tom



~^ beancounter ~^ August 24th, 2008 02:59 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....







On Aug 24, 5:08*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Geez..."muslium," "mulim"...what, did you crackers forget how to spell
"raghead" or something...


Sheesh,
R


no kidding......insults, when typed out by those too stupid to spell them
properly, sort of lose the sting. It would be like me getting all worked up,
and calling beancounter a right wing whackjob who was 'illiterit'.....
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom



Tom Littleton August 24th, 2008 03:01 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...

that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....



priceless!
Tom






On Aug 24, 5:08 am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Geez..."muslium," "mulim"...what, did you crackers forget how to spell
"raghead" or something...


Sheesh,
R


no kidding......insults, when typed out by those too stupid to spell them
properly, sort of lose the sting. It would be like me getting all worked
up,
and calling beancounter a right wing whackjob who was 'illiterit'.....
Tom




Wayne Knight August 24th, 2008 09:27 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
news:YQdsk.632$w51.166@trnddc01...

priceless!


The spelling and other English mistakes wilst saying it does not matter
brings this little email that was sent to me by an officer of the American
Conservative Union. Either it is what passes for humor in the republican
camp or serves to prove how they need to run their campaign. The reader can
decide for themselves I guess.

The Adventures of T. Boone Pickens


Episode 13


by ThShifties


Late one evening at the Pickens mansion. The legendary billionaire has been
entertaining John McCain and Karl Rove.

McCain: I think I'd like to take a break. Do you have a DVD player?

Pickens: Sure. to his assistant Show him, willya?

McCain follows the assistant down the hall to a recreation room. The
assistant returns a few minutes later.

Pickens: What's he watching?

Assistant: Top Gun.

Rove: It's his favorite.

Pickens: Karl, I gotta ask you. What's wrong with John?

Rove: suddenly wary How do you mean?

Pickens: He seems goofy. You know. Simple. The John McCain I recall was a
****er. Always mad at somebody. Now he acts like a booby. I saw him on TV
the other night. Picks up an Obama tire gauge I felt like I needed this to
measure the air pressure inside his damn skull.

Rove: I guess I can tell you.

Pickens: Tell me what?

Rove: He's, well, dumbed down.

Pickens: You mean, like a lobo-tummy?

Rove: Of course not. Don't be ridiculous. It's more like self-hypnosis. He
practices not understanding things. Being confused about issues.

Pickens: What's the damn point?

Rove: surprised It's for the campaign, of course.

Pickens: What's bein' dumb have to do with bein' President?

Rove: Boone, when's the last time we had a smart President?

Pickens: Bill Clinton.

Rove: Excluding Democrats.

Pickens: thinks Well. I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin', don't rush me. I guess
Nixon.

Rove: Right. And look how that turned out.

Pickens: So you're sayin' we don't want a smart President. But then, who do
we want?

Rove: A dope. A genial dope.

Pickens: I don't see that.

Rove: That's because you're smart. Smart people never understand how much
everybody else hates them. The conservative voter wants to cast his ballot
for a candidate that doesn't understand the issues any better than he does.

Pickens: Possibly a whiff of truth in that. Maybe even a stink bomb.

Rove: Think back to high school. Nothing's changed.

Pickens: That's just depressing.

Rove: Not to me. I built a career on it.

McCain reappears in the doorway, wearing pyjamas..

McCain: You don't have any of that Italian ice cream, do you? Jellytoe? That
stuff is just good.

Pickens: I'll send out for some, Johnny.



NA August 24th, 2008 10:40 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
In article
,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....


Wut be 'gramer' un 'winps', jethro?

~^ beancounter ~^ August 25th, 2008 12:22 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

english majors are a weird bunch....






On Aug 24, 3:40*pm, NA wrote:
In article
,
*"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....


Wut be 'gramer' un 'winps', jethro?



~^ beancounter ~^ August 28th, 2008 02:44 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
oh we are all havin' some fun downtown denver tonight...this
party is 'thumpin.......

the dems sure know how to spend $$ on a bash...


On Aug 25, 5:22*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
english majors are a weird bunch....

On Aug 24, 3:40*pm, NA wrote:



In article
,
*"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:


that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....


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Tom Littleton August 28th, 2008 02:51 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
oh we are all havin' some fun downtown denver tonight...this
party is 'thumpin.......

the dems sure know how to spend $$ on a bash...


Glad you're enjoying it, Beaner...oh, and in case you didn't catch this, a
big chunk of change comes right from the Feds for both conventions. 50 mil
each to Denver and Minneapolis/St. Paul, iirc.
Tom



Opus--Mark H. Bowen August 28th, 2008 02:53 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
Yeah, I know what ya mean. Although, It ain't like they sent a pallet load
of currency to Baghdad and lost it.

Op

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
oh we are all havin' some fun downtown denver tonight...this
party is 'thumpin.......

the dems sure know how to spend $$ on a bash...


On Aug 25, 5:22 am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
english majors are a weird bunch....

On Aug 24, 3:40 pm, NA wrote:



In article
,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:


that fig's you want to shift the discussion to gramer, vs. the
winps the dems have "put up for slaughter"....


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[email protected] August 28th, 2008 03:19 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Aug 27, 6:53*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

What was it? $16 billion that just disappeared? ANY R who has any
pride left ought to just stay moot on the subject of waste in
government. Its a non-starter. The cat is out of the bag. Even the
average Joe knows who the thieves are. And there were no Dems on the
team that went in to run Iraq. In fact most often they were recent
college grads from the Young Republican Clubs.
Dave

Dave LaCourse August 28th, 2008 03:59 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:19:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

What was it? $16 billion that just disappeared? ANY R who has any
pride left ought to just stay moot on the subject of waste in
government. Its a non-starter. The cat is out of the bag. Even the
average Joe knows who the thieves are. And there were no Dems on the
team that went in to run Iraq. In fact most often they were recent
college grads from the Young Republican Clubs.


Dave, if you or anyone else can prove this, then arrest the *******s
and put them in jail. But, somehow or other, it is just talk and
.................

Dave



Tom Littleton August 28th, 2008 10:27 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Dave, if you or anyone else can prove this, then arrest the *******s
and put them in jail. But, somehow or other, it is just talk and
................

Dave



what's to prove, David? The folks sent to 'rebuild' Iraq, and their
backgrounds are well documented. They, IMO, weren't so much thieves, but
just completely incompetent.
And, the hiring of incompetent people for ideological reasons, to my mind,
is the single greatest stain on the Bush presidency.
Tom

p.s. And, yes, I agree with you. The *******s should be
put in jail. We just may disagree on who 'the *******s'
are.......details, details.




[email protected] August 28th, 2008 12:54 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Aug 27, 7:59*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Dave, if you or anyone else can prove this, then arrest the *******s
and put them in jail. *But, somehow or other, it is just talk and
................

Dave


Dave, in this mans world you have to do your own research and required
reading.You need to read the papers, turn off FOX, pick any three
country's you want and listen to their English broadcasts, or better,
go to their websites and search on "corruption," "Paul Breamer"(sp?),
etc etc. The political staffing of incompetent boy wonders in Iraq, as
well as a similar scandal in the justice department hiring (for which
republican offenders have already confessed) has been in the news for
months. Here are some crib notes on how your party was gutted.

In the 1930s the Democratic party became uneasy companions with home
grown communists in the efforts to combat the depression and then beat
the Germans. In the 1990s the inner circles of your party, the
Republicans, and the conservative wing of the Democratic Party (the
Jacksonites) were targeted and heavily infiltrated by a group of
defense and foreign policy intellectuals we have come to call the
"Neocons."

The leading Neocons were often people heavily influenced by, or
members of families with long association with New York Trotskyite
factions . Bill and Irving Krystol for example. Whether the American
Right-wing, or the Neocons were on top, and who was using who, or not,
the union of these two groups was very successful at the ballot box.
But neither group had a deep bench when it came to managing the
business of government. That should not have been a surprise since
hatred of government is part and parcel of right wing ideology.

Anyway, the stories are out there, and a lot of the facts have and are
coming out. Bush has to date been very successful in his battle to
prevent court testimony and hinder FBI and Justice investigations.
They have also managed to keep the flow of indictments and sentencing
at a constant level so the flow out of administration criminals, is
masked in a steady flow of resignations of the merely incompetent. The
history books will put this administration right up there with some of
the most corrupt city Democratic machines.

Anyway, the party you think you support doesn't exist anymore. And
that is something that Rush will not touch with a ten foot pole.
Fraidy cat entertainer that he is. I could have voted for McCain last
two times, but now things have gone too far, McCain is just a tired
old figurehead, and now my choice is a young man, well educated and a
leader, who luckily will have a deep bench of experienced Silverbacks
like Biden and Richardson to draw from, including I hope some real
Republicans (like Senator Heagle (Neb)) to dig the country out of this
economic and foreign policy mess we are in.

Dave

Dave LaCourse August 28th, 2008 10:38 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
Sos, different day, David. There was corruption during Clinton's
administration and it was just as handily covered up. It is the way
the game is played. Unfortunately, Obama has already shown that he is
not above taking a little "under the table", re Rezko. Here are some
quotes from YOUR side of the aisle:

"You never hear the specifics."
-- Hillary Clinton, speaking about his Issue Plans

"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The
Presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
-- Senator Joe Biden, when asked if Barack Obama is ready to be
President

"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to
the White House--and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
-- Hillary Clinton, about Obama's leadership

"We still don't have a lot of answers."
-- Hillary Clinton, about the Rezko scandal

These are YOUR folks, David, not mine. The man is not qualified.
From what I have seen and heard and read, he should have a 10 - 20
point lead on McCain. Turn on the telly, read a mag/newspaper and it
is all about Barack. McCain is somewhere in the background. And, yet
McCain is ahead in many polls *even during the Dem Convention. The
talk today among my friends was "Obama's Temple". I knew JFK. I
voted for him (my first national election - 1960). Barack Obama is
not a JFK no matter how he tries to embellish his appearance tonight.

Arrest those that have done wrong. Send them to jail. Surely with a
Dem controlled House and Senate you should be able to do that.

Dave



[email protected] August 28th, 2008 10:49 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Aug 28, 2:38*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
SNIP

Arrest those that have done wrong. *Send them to jail. *Surely with a
Dem controlled House and Senate you should be able to do that. *

Dave


Well at least we can agree on something.

Dave


Dave LaCourse August 29th, 2008 02:18 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:49:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 28, 2:38*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
SNIP

Arrest those that have done wrong. *Send them to jail. *Surely with a
Dem controlled House and Senate you should be able to do that. *

Dave


Well at least we can agree on something.

Dave


David, I have *always* said that if someone is guilty of something
then prosecuition of that person should be persued. The only problem
is that at high government positions, the guilty are never prosecuted.
Clinton is, of course, a perfect example. I also think that Carter
should have been impeached for malfeasance. Never has anyone,
including Bush II screwed up the economy and the country worse than
Jimmay. Remember stagflation? Fortunately for me I retired as he
came into office and at that time military retired pay raises were
based on the consumer price index. Within a year of retiring, I had
doubled my retainer pay. Of course inflation was double digits, as
was unemployment and interest rates. Thankfully we got our first
mortgage before Carter took office.

If we have the proof, arrest and try the *******s. Don't turn our
back like we did with Clinton. If we have it on Bush, go for it. Or
Obama or anyone else.

BTW, this election is not about Bush. It is about McCain and Obama.
My oldest daughter told me at a family gathering a couple of weeks ago
that if the election was today (two weeks ago), and you had a choice
between Bush, Obama, or McCain, Bush would win. She quoted some web
site, but I never looked it up. If true, that doesn't say a helluva
lot about our choices in this election.

Dave



[email protected] August 29th, 2008 03:44 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Aug 28, 6:18*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Perhaps you were unaware that the folks who financed hounding the
Clintons over the Whitewater business, Hillery's billings and the
state police business, have admitted on video that they made up and
paid for all that ****, and said so in a 2004-5 documentary series
made by the BBC and subsequently shown all over the world except in
the US? Its entitled "The Power of Nightmares," and Chaos: Making
America Theater." You also seem to have missed the whole Iran-Contra
affair. And some other major bits of history.

Look Dave, you are not going to be convinced no matter what the
evidence. To corruption etc, you first say it could not have happened,
then switch to some tired version of "the Clintons made em do it,"
then say something about prosecution, being apparently unaware of the
news of repeated blockage of prosecution by the Whitehouse. Then you
repeat some out of date partisan analysis uninformed after 25-35 years
by the revelations of history or analysis. I give up. And now you want
to say that the election isn't about Bush. If I wanted to hear Rush I
have my own radio.

You and others like you will vote your ignorance. Thats just the way
it is. No amount of new information right in your face from any source
will change things because you are willing to accept corruption,
espionage and theivery as the normal state of affairs. As such your
frozen in place state is unassailable, well protected from having to
deal with changes or folks who strive for a better world. And, sorry
about this, you are just plain lazy when it comes to informing
yourself, even for a Ru****e, you are lazy in this regard. Hey, I meet
people, who hold some of the same opinions as I do, who are just as
lazy as you are in keeping up and absorbing new information.

I really do not believe ANYTHING I say will change your ideas, and
frankly it is a foolish waste of my time. I'm going to try to respond
less to your political foolishness, and just accept you as a guy who
enjoys the same sport as I do, who I should fish with one day soon,
and put anything I might know out to folks more interested in making
up their own minds. There are many patriots out there who are ready to
look at these questions afresh.

You could understandably take offence at what Ive said here. You get a
free shot. Im not going to respond. I AM going to seriously try to
stay off your case after this post.

Dave
America First

Dave LaCourse August 29th, 2008 10:51 AM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

You could understandably take offence at what Ive said here. You get a
free shot. Im not going to respond. I AM going to seriously try to
stay off your case after this post.


No offense taken, Dave, so no free shot necessary. And if you stay
off my case, you aren't the Snedeker I know.

We *must* go fishing. I know a place that has 30" rainbows that have
never been caught. d;o)

Dave




~^ beancounter ~^ August 30th, 2008 08:10 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 
I know a place that has 30" rainbows ??

sounds nice......30' is a lot of trout......







On Aug 29, 3:51*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You could understandably take offence at what Ive said here. You get a
free shot. Im not going to respond. I AM going to seriously try to
stay off your case after this post.


No offense taken, Dave, so no free shot necessary. *And if you stay
off my case, you aren't the Snedeker I know. *

We *must* go fishing. *I know a place that has 30" rainbows that have
never been caught. *d;o)

Dave



Tom Littleton August 30th, 2008 10:02 PM

IT'S BIDEN....
 

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
....sounds nice......30' is a lot of trout......


that is indeed impressive. I wonder what the weight of a 30 foot trout would
be?
Tom







On Aug 29, 3:51 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You could understandably take offence at what Ive said here. You get a
free shot. Im not going to respond. I AM going to seriously try to
stay off your case after this post.


No offense taken, Dave, so no free shot necessary. And if you stay
off my case, you aren't the Snedeker I know.

We *must* go fishing. I know a place that has 30" rainbows that have
never been caught. d;o)

Dave





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