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[email protected] August 29th, 2008 04:22 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

daytripper August 29th, 2008 04:45 AM

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:22:38 -0500, wrote:

I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


Oh my.

The only thing stunning is how you totally slept through the speech of a
lifetime.

That's really too bad for you - but I'm certain you'll be able to see it on
the web - including at least a few minutes citing MLK.

Dumbass.

/daytripper

Ken Fortenberry[_2_] August 29th, 2008 05:11 AM

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wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...


It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 05:53 AM

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On Aug 29, 5:22*am, wrote:
do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. *He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. *Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a set I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because Iting. *It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


http://www.wbur.org/news/2008/79748_20080829.asp

Most of the rest of the world thinks he will be the next president,
and they have done for a while. Only the democrats themselves seem
nervous. Although for many people outside America, ( including me)
American politics is extremely difficult to gauge, much less
understand.

It is a historic moment that a black man should be nominated by a
major party for the presidency of the United States of America, but
whether that alone suffices, or indeed is sufficient grounds to
actually elect him is another matter. In the final analysis, his
colour or creed are irrelevant, it is his suitability or otherwise for
the job which is actually more important.

Quite a few people here get the impression that he actually has no
firm policies, just hopes and promises. You can´t live ONLY on hopes
and promises. Also, as other idealists have discovered to their cost,
it is one thing to have ideals, it is quite another to actually
implement them.


[email protected] August 29th, 2008 06:15 AM

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On Aug 28, 8:22*pm, wrote:

Wow. How did you do that? You summarized in almost the same words what
I just heard on FOX. Amazing. Or did you take it from the script you
had before the speech? In any case the synchronization would almost
lead one to think Karl Rowe was back in the saddle with you guys. Bet
the Fax is hot tonight. Do they still call em "talking points"?

Dave
Note to self: See they really do that dog-like "loyalty brings access"
thingy real swell.

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 06:25 AM

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On Aug 29, 6:53*am, wrote:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bill_C...tic_Convention


Tom Littleton August 29th, 2008 10:31 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 

wrote in message
...
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard that
speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for him. What
speech were you listening to?
Tom



Dave LaCourse August 29th, 2008 11:08 AM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:31:23 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard that
speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for him. What
speech were you listening to?
Tom


Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.

I'm going fishing.

Dave



Rick[_7_] August 29th, 2008 11:45 AM

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wrote in message
...
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


The democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality.
John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the
democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.

In his place Bill Clinton spoke.

And Jimmy Carter spoke on economic growth.

They even had TED KENNEDY there???

Ted Kennedy addressed issues of violence against women
The dems are embarassing!!!




Scott Seidman August 29th, 2008 01:19 PM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
wrote in
:

I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


I guess I was watching a different speech. I'm just amazed that he could
hit the home run I was watching on the same night he offered the clunker
you were watching.

Moments after the speech ended, the GOP released that they were considering
delaying their convention because of a hurricane. Yeah, that's the ticket.



--
Scott
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Scott Seidman August 29th, 2008 01:20 PM

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in
news:LlPtk.1082$lf2.1031@trnddc07:


wrote in message
...
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it
will be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can
(and probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come
right out and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song
"Only In America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will
be sad and ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I
think such is possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard
that speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for
him. What speech were you listening to?
Tom





Pat Buchanan was positively gushing


--
Scott
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Scott Seidman August 29th, 2008 01:21 PM

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
:


Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.

I'm going fishing.

Dave


Little faith, Dave. Soon after Obama wins, we'll all be walking on the
water instead of wading in it.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 03:13 PM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:31:23 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R


was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard that
speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for him. What
speech were you listening to?
Tom


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12964.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

It has nothing to do with being for or against Obama, it was the speech
in context. There was enough stuff there to give Rove, Carville, et al,
plenty to work with to craft opposition. The length of Biden's
congressional career mirrors McCain's, and it seems kinda odd that a new
politics of the future guy would be just like Lincoln, Roosevelt, and
Kennedy. And how many working-class families have "rah-rah" videos from
supporters prominently featuring the supporter hisownself sailing on his
yacht around the family compound in Hyannisport? If McCain had shown
such a video featuring Bush I tooling around in his boat, golfing at the
R & A, etc., what would the reaction be? To tie yourself Roosevelt and
Kennedy to counter a charge of elitism? To hint that your Presidency
will be like that of Clinton's (but only in any, but non-specific, way
that anyone might think was good, but be nothing like it in any, but
non-specific way anyone might think bad)? No foreign oil in 10 years,
but he's gonna reward companies that create jobs right here "in America"
- is that South, Central, or North America? Seriously, though, the US
oil industry, the one that he wants to tax the bejeebers out of, creates
jobs and supports thousands and thousands of working-class families and
by definition, can only create (or maintain) jobs in the US.

Etc., etc., etc....

Even the closing song - if you don't know the lyrics, read them. Sure,
one of the kids could grow up to be President, but they could also be
the one going to prison - two choices, Prez or prison. And in the other
verse, the couple are riding in a limo wanting to be "stars" - not
helping, not changing, just wanting things for themselves. I'm
surprised they didn't play "Save A Horse..."...you know, to get the PETA
vote...here's a hint, Dems - don't use C & W songs at conventions.

I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...

TC,
R


Ken Fortenberry[_2_] August 29th, 2008 04:37 PM

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wrote:
snip
I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...


Only the most blind and rabid partisan could declare that
was not a good speech. You Republicans all repeat the same
mantra at every turn; "Saying McCain equals four more years
of Bush won't work". You guys say that all the time because
you desperately need for it to be true but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 05:06 PM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:37:21 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
snip
I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...


Only the most blind and rabid partisan could declare that
was not a good speech.


You're wrong, plain and simple. I'd say that only a blind a rabid
partisan would wish to allow absolutely no criticism of not only the
speech, but the candidate in general. And that anyone who doesn't see
some pretty glaring weaknesses in Obama is not only blindly and rabidly
partisan, but not rational, as well.

You Republicans all repeat the same
mantra at every turn; "Saying McCain equals four more years
of Bush won't work". You guys say that all the time because
you desperately need for it to be true but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!


What makes you think I'm a Republican? IAC, as I've said, if it were
Bush's veep or _certain_ folks in his administration running, such a
charge could stick, but with McCain, it's not accurate and as such, it's
not a certain strategy. Plus, given the candidates' weaknesses and
strengths, it's too much of a "um, well, that's all we got..." strategy.

TC,
R

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 05:29 PM

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:11:49 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...


It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.


Um, why is it so mind-boggling that a black man would not only be
nominated, but elected as POTUS? It's historic, but hardly
"mind-boggling." Hell, had he have wanted to run, Powell would have
almost certainly been nominated by the GOP and may well have won, and
that was before Obama had even gotten elected to anything.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.


You're a little older than me...perhaps that's why I have little doubt
that not only can a black man, but black men, white women, black women,
Hispanic men and women, Asian men and women, etc., be nominated, and
some will win, over the course of US history. And some will be
excellent Presidents, some will be lousy, and some will just be largely
forgotten by the bulk of the population. I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


An Obama-supporting friend made what I think is a particularly good,
"working-man" comment about it - "he sounded like a guy who just won a
train that he isn't sure how to drive..."

TC,
R

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 06:23 PM

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On Aug 29, 3:45*am, "Rick" wrote:
wrote in message

You want embarrassing? How come you didn't mention anyone from that
recent vast company of Republican closeted shoe tappers, child
molesters, perverts, philanderers etc or wax eloquent with your
opinions as to just who in the White House was the main customer for
the male prostitute whose specialty was whipping with a gyrene theme.
Jeff Gannon, a $200 dollar an hour Gay prostitute had free access to
the White House with a signed Press Pass. I would think someone with
your high minded values would be interested in just who in the Bush
White House patronized this Jeff Gannon. Or maybe you approve?

Dave


Tim J. August 29th, 2008 06:46 PM

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Ken Fortenberry typed:
snip
. . . but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!


Any bets on how they screw up your instructions? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj



NA August 29th, 2008 07:02 PM

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In article ,
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...


It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


We have already had black presidents. 5 have been documented, here are
2.

Andrew Jackson was our 7th president from 1829 to 1837. The Virginia
Magazine of History Volume 29 says that Jackson was the son of a White
woman from Ireland who had intermarried with a Negro. The magazine also
said that his eldest brother had been sold as a slave in Carolina. Joel
Rogers says that Andrew Jackson Sr. died long before President Andrew
Jackson Jr. was born. He says the president's mother then went to live
on the Crawford farm where there were Negro slaves and that one of these
men was Andrew Jr's father. Another account of the "brother sold into
slavery˛ story can be found in David Coyle's book entitled "Ordeal of
the Presidency"

Abraham Lincoln was our 16th president from 1861 to 1865. J. A. Rogers
quotes Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, as saying that Abraham Lincoln was
the illegitimate son of an African man. William Herndon, Lincoln's law
partner, said that Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and that
his mother was from an Ethiopian tribe. In Herndon's book entitled "The
Hidden Lincoln" he says that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abraham
Lincoln's father because he was sterile from childhood mumps and was
later castrated. Lincoln's presidential opponents made cartoon
drawings depicting him as a Negro and nicknamed him łAbraham Africanus
the First."

Dave LaCourse August 29th, 2008 07:29 PM

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On 29 Aug 2008 12:21:23 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Little faith, Dave. Soon after Obama wins, we'll all be walking on the
water instead of wading in it.


What? You can't walk on water now?

Hell, maybe Richard will buy my GS3s. I won't need 'em.

Dave



[email protected] August 29th, 2008 08:09 PM

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On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...


now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)

RedFisher54 August 29th, 2008 08:20 PM

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...


It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


Jeez Ken I always thought you were THE old fart around here.

I was born in '54 and meet my "54" on Oct 14.

As a Canucklehead I would sure as hell vote for Obama 'cause Bush has got
to go.

We're going to have our own election soon and at least I can put my two
cents worth in here.

We've gotta get rid of Harper because he's so far up Bush's ass our
country is about to end up like the US with minimum jail sentencing,
total revocation of rights etc.

Next thing you know we'll have to buy a piece of river to fish.

I don't have much use for the Liberal Party up here but anything is
better than what's going on at this point.

Tight lines to you and yours.

Bruce

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 08:57 PM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:09:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...


now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.


Actually, it wasn't a dig. He was, by most accounts, exactly as you
say, personally honest and effective, often as much by knowing what not
to "fix" as what could actually benefit from a little tinkering, and
most importantly, being objective and realistic about the whole thing.
Even Twain/Clements liked him. And largely forgotten by history - when
is the last time anyone, of any party, running for so much as dog
catcher, suggested they would like to be remembered by a relative few
folks, but for the few that do as the Chester A. Arthur of their
generation? We're ass-deep in would-be Kennedys and re-Reagans. We got
wannabe-Roosevelts and Lincolns out the ying-yang, and even a
pseudo-Truman buck-stopper or two, but, alas, we're fresh the **** out
of Chester A. Arthurs...

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)


Um, "closet?" "Whig?" Oh, man, be careful - we got a Sergeant Snedeker
running around on the lookout for just that sort of degenerate
stuff...he'll be easy to spot - he'll be the guy who looks like an old
New York Doll in a Jackie Kennedy suit and tin-foil pillbox hat...

TC,
R
....and amazingly enough, he was even a lawyer...Arthur, I mean, not
Snedeker...

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 10:00 PM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:20:27 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...


It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


Jeez Ken I always thought you were THE old fart around here.

I was born in '54 and meet my "54" on Oct 14.

As a Canucklehead I would sure as hell vote for Obama 'cause Bush has got
to go.


Please don't think me insincere - I truly mean this: you obviously have
a much better understanding of US politics and law, and even the world
at large, than the vast majority of Obama supporters...

We're going to have our own election soon and at least I can put my two
cents worth in here.


Uh-oh...and you were doing so well...IAC, will that be two cents US or
Canadian?

We've gotta get rid of Harper because he's so far up Bush's ass our
country is about to end up like the US with minimum jail sentencing,
total revocation of rights etc.

Next thing you know we'll have to buy a piece of river to fish.


Yeah, what's up with that? It's the thin end of the wedge, I tell ya.
It'll lead to Disneyworld charging to ride ****, country clubs charging
not only dues but initiation fees, having to buy ski-lift tickets, no
more free boats from Boston Whaler or Hatteras (with lifetime free fuel
and maintenance), and the real horror of horrors, the complete end of
free food and lodging for all recreational travelers...

I don't have much use for the Liberal Party up here but anything is
better than what's going on at this point.


Anything? Really? I mean, really, ANYTHING? You don't travel much, do
ya?

Tight lines to you and yours.


And good luck to you and yours.

Bruce


R

[email protected] August 29th, 2008 10:35 PM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:46:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Ken Fortenberry typed:
snip
. . . but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!


Any bets on how they screw up your instructions? ;-)


And speaking of screwing, the funny part is that the instructions on the
shampoo bottle exist for a single purpose - to screw naive and gullible
consumers.

Hee-hee-hee,
R
....I guess the folks who make Joy didn't think folks would fall for
"Wash dishes. Dry. Rewash dishes"...


Tom Littleton August 29th, 2008 10:35 PM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.


Hell, man, I KNOW Rick was having fun with it, which is part of the whole
nature of our exchanges. You can't take this stuff TOO seriously, you know.
Hope fishing goes well, it's raining here, but I may go up to Penn's for a
day or two this weekend myself!
Tom



Dave LaCourse August 30th, 2008 12:26 AM

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:35:56 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

Hope fishing goes well,


Fished a couple of ponds in Westminster, MA, where my two little
grandsons live. Had a neighbor's kid with me. She did well, as did
the grandsons.

Worms and powerbait for them. I didn't fish. Beautiful day with the
fall colors aready starting in the hills. Jo and I and a couple of
friends from town are heading up to Lakewood soon. Gonna be cold.

Dave



Tom Littleton August 30th, 2008 12:37 AM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Jo and I and a couple of
friends from town are heading up to Lakewood soon. Gonna be cold.

Dave



It's freaking Maine, David. Cold is permanent, there. There is a reason why
Handyman wears shorts outside in March at Penn's Creek.........
Tom



daytripper August 30th, 2008 01:24 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.


A total misread of Richard's ridiculous post, but that won't surprise anyone
here...

/daytripper (ahahahahahahaha!)

[email protected] August 30th, 2008 02:14 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:24:16 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.


A total misread of Richard's ridiculous post, but that won't surprise anyone
here...


Well, not a _total_ misread. I thought the speech was pretty weak and
generally, another example of the Dems snatching defeat from what should
be the jaws of certain victory, but I did post a some bait, as well. The
last vestige of hope for at least one party to carry on a fairly
straightforward, honest (as modern campaigns go) campaign relatively
free of horse**** now appears totally snuffed well and truly out. Even
if Palin turns out to be a real diamond in the rough, her selection will
still be marred by the whole pandering aspect of it. Thus far, it
doesn't seem to have the sheer hypocrisy of Obama picking Biden, but
this thing is shaping up to be a real circus...

HTH,
R

/daytripper (ahahahahahahaha!)


daytripper August 30th, 2008 02:23 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:14:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:24:16 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.


A total misread of Richard's ridiculous post, but that won't surprise anyone
here...


Well, not a _total_ misread. I thought the speech was pretty weak and
generally, another example of the Dems snatching defeat from what should
be the jaws of certain victory, but I did post a some bait, as well. The
last vestige of hope for at least one party to carry on a fairly
straightforward, honest (as modern campaigns go) campaign relatively
free of horse**** now appears totally snuffed well and truly out. Even
if Palin turns out to be a real diamond in the rough, her selection will
still be marred by the whole pandering aspect of it. Thus far, it
doesn't seem to have the sheer hypocrisy of Obama picking Biden, but
this thing is shaping up to be a real circus...

HTH,
R


That's a boy. In spite of virtually unanimous acclaim - even all but the total
Kool-Aid heads from your side gave that speech major props - you just keep
bravely carrying on like you never actually heard it...

/daytripper (maybe that'll work for.....something or other)

RedFisher54 August 30th, 2008 03:33 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:20:27 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


Jeez Ken I always thought you were THE old fart around here.

I was born in '54 and meet my "54" on Oct 14.

As a Canucklehead I would sure as hell vote for Obama 'cause Bush has
got to go.


Please don't think me insincere - I truly mean this: you obviously
have a much better understanding of US politics and law, and even the
world at large, than the vast majority of Obama supporters...

We're going to have our own election soon and at least I can put my
two cents worth in here.


Uh-oh...and you were doing so well...IAC, will that be two cents US or
Canadian?

We've gotta get rid of Harper because he's so far up Bush's ass our
country is about to end up like the US with minimum jail sentencing,
total revocation of rights etc.

Next thing you know we'll have to buy a piece of river to fish.


Yeah, what's up with that? It's the thin end of the wedge, I tell ya.
It'll lead to Disneyworld charging to ride ****, country clubs
charging not only dues but initiation fees, having to buy ski-lift
tickets, no more free boats from Boston Whaler or Hatteras (with
lifetime free fuel and maintenance), and the real horror of horrors,
the complete end of free food and lodging for all recreational
travelers...

I don't have much use for the Liberal Party up here but anything is
better than what's going on at this point.


Anything? Really? I mean, really, ANYTHING? You don't travel much,
do ya?

Tight lines to you and yours.


And good luck to you and yours.

Bruce


R


Thanks for your response.

Noted and ignored.

Bruce

[email protected] August 30th, 2008 04:45 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:23:37 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:14:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:24:16 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.

A total misread of Richard's ridiculous post, but that won't surprise anyone
here...


Well, not a _total_ misread. I thought the speech was pretty weak and
generally, another example of the Dems snatching defeat from what should
be the jaws of certain victory, but I did post a some bait, as well. The
last vestige of hope for at least one party to carry on a fairly
straightforward, honest (as modern campaigns go) campaign relatively
free of horse**** now appears totally snuffed well and truly out. Even
if Palin turns out to be a real diamond in the rough, her selection will
still be marred by the whole pandering aspect of it. Thus far, it
doesn't seem to have the sheer hypocrisy of Obama picking Biden, but
this thing is shaping up to be a real circus...

HTH,
R


That's a boy. In spite of virtually unanimous acclaim - even all but the total
Kool-Aid heads from your side gave that speech major props - you just keep
bravely carrying on like you never actually heard it...


Ah, OK...so, presumably, by the use of "your side," you mean GASP
those on the right and/or Republicans, and you're acknowledging that
they know what they are talking about, knowledgeable, even experts. OK,
you've convinced me - those folks know what they are talking about - his
speech was da bomb, but McCain is the much better choice for POTUS...

I'll have the high-ups on my side inscribe your name in the books as a
McCain supporter who thinks Obama really isn't ready.

/daytripper (maybe that'll work for.....something or other)


I gotta tell ya, there's few things funnier this time of the season than
a guy who uses the term "Kool-Aid" and isn't referring to what his kids
wanna drink...it's always the, er, "blind and rabid partisan" "Kool-Aid
heads" who use such terms.

HTH,
R

[email protected] August 30th, 2008 04:50 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:33:37 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Noted and ignored.


SPLORK VANG MU! and BWAHAHASNICKER, too...

Bruce


Brucie, you're about as cute as they come,
R


RedFisher54 August 30th, 2008 05:54 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:33:37 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Noted and ignored.


SPLORK VANG MU! and BWAHAHASNICKER, too...

Bruce


Brucie, you're about as cute as they come,
R



Cuter than you by far.

Oh, by the bi.

My wife calls be Brucie when I'm done .....

Never mind!

What the hell does any of this have to do with fly fishing?

Sorry, waht the hell was I thinking.

I better go over to the fly fishing group.

****!

Been there, done that.

Now I'm back here again.

Hows about a nice 10' Powell salmon rod with a 9wt 32" shooting head
matched with a double wind reel, 30 yds of Cortland running line followed
with 250 yds of braided dacron.

All run out nice with a 40lb spring in white water.

I built the rod.

I selected the gear.

I tied the flies.

I hooked and landed the fish.

And I'm not blowing smoke up anybodys kilts unlike yourself.

All I've ever heard from you is BS.

You act like a real Barney.

Lots of smoke and mirrors. F**k all for substance.

My granddad left me his rods and my sons have fished them and know that
they will hand them down to their own sons.

You got nothing asshole.

I love nailing trout in any number of streams, but there aint nothing
like diving off a cliff into white water to land that steely that just
won't stop running.

Even when it's wild and has to go back.

Or spending two days in a belly-boat chasing a big white spring down from
the Harrison to the mouth of the Fraser.

All you got is this crappy little group where only a few give a flying
f**k about fishing and you're the king Turd.

La-Dee-f**kin' da.

I seen pukes like you way back on the BBSs.

Always talking the big fight, but not worth a spit when push comes to
shove.

What the hell am I wasting my breath for.

Rest of you.

Tight lines.

[email protected] August 30th, 2008 06:08 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:54:32 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:33:37 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Noted and ignored.


SPLORK VANG MU! and BWAHAHASNICKER, too...

Bruce


Brucie, you're about as cute as they come,
R



Cuter than you by far.

Oh, by the bi.

My wife calls be Brucie when I'm done .....


No ****? I would guessed he called you One-Pump Peter or Sir Speedy or
something...

Sheesh,
R


RedFisher54 August 30th, 2008 06:40 AM

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Poor pathetic little wannabe.

Is that really the best you can do?

I won't even bother plonking you.

You're funnier than McCain's VP choice.

Talk about lame ducks.

Sorry.

Didn't meen to bring up your... you know. Shsssss

Where were we.

Oh yeah.

Delving into your lack of parental direction and bathroom etiquette.

I'm pretty sure that if you gave it the old team effort you could get
that floss around your tooth. One tooth shouldn't wear it out so much
that it wouldn't make a great leader for your Barney rod.

If it's still got a bit of wax on it you just might be able to float that
bent pin your mommy glued the feather to.

You remember, right?

The one that fell out of the pillow your grampa used to shut you up with
while he showed you the other use for your poop shute.

Sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh when I was doing your mamma whilst
watching your grampa doing you.

Almost grabbed up one of those feathers to tickle your mammas clit with
but she was worried about the old man's herpies.

Oh well. I'ld rather go fishing than f**k your mamma anyhow.

F**k you and anyone that looks like you!

Not to mention the horse you tried to ride in on.


[email protected] August 30th, 2008 07:20 AM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Aug 28, 11:45*pm, daytripper wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:22:38 -0500, wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. *If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. *And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. *He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. *Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. *It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.


Stunned,
R


Oh my.

The only thing stunning is how you totally slept through the speech of a
lifetime.

That's really too bad for you - but I'm certain you'll be able to see it on
the web - including at least a few minutes citing MLK.

Dumbass.

/daytripper


It was a good speech but "speech of a lifetime?" Maybe Kennedy's `80
or Humphrey's `48....

Kerry's the night before was good.

[email protected] August 30th, 2008 02:09 PM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:40:42 GMT, RedFisher54
wrote:

Poor pathetic little wannabe.

Is that really the best you can do?

I won't even bother plonking you.

You're funnier than McCain's VP choice.

Talk about lame ducks.

Sorry.

Didn't meen to bring up your... you know. Shsssss

Where were we.

Oh yeah.

Delving into your lack of parental direction and bathroom etiquette.

I'm pretty sure that if you gave it the old team effort you could get
that floss around your tooth. One tooth shouldn't wear it out so much
that it wouldn't make a great leader for your Barney rod.

If it's still got a bit of wax on it you just might be able to float that
bent pin your mommy glued the feather to.

You remember, right?

The one that fell out of the pillow your grampa used to shut you up with
while he showed you the other use for your poop shute.

Sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh when I was doing your mamma whilst
watching your grampa doing you.

Almost grabbed up one of those feathers to tickle your mammas clit with
but she was worried about the old man's herpies.

Oh well. I'ld rather go fishing than f**k your mamma anyhow.

F**k you and anyone that looks like you!

Not to mention the horse you tried to ride in on.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"your mammas clit" "the old man's herpies"...what are you, twelve?

IAC, thankfully, you didn't say anything derogatory about Chester A.
Arthur. Had you done so, I'd have had to send Fred your way to, um, geg
meddeval onn yuor as...

SNICKER,
R


Tom Littleton August 30th, 2008 02:29 PM

Live by the speech, die by the speech...
 

wrote in message
...
IAC, thankfully, you didn't say anything derogatory about Chester A.
Arthur. Had you done so, I'd have had to send Fred your way to, um, geg
meddeval onn yuor as...


sheesh, where did that boy come from? It's always refreshing, after getting
miffed at the stupid **** that we all regularly post here, to realize it
gets worse out there.....
much worse.

Tom
p.s. Chester A. Arthur probably never had so much good
press as he's gotten around these parts of late.





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