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In article , Charles Turner
writes Hi Guys, I go fly fishing here in the UK a few times a year, but I might now go a bit more frequently, mainly reservoir / river. I'm thinking of getting some new tackle and am just looking for a bit of advice. I have a really old glass fibre rod (20 years??). It's a Shakespeare Sigma Supra 1725 - 285. 9.5 ft AFTMA No. 8-9. I also have a multi turn fly reel. The spec for the rod seems to be fine for UK reservoir fishing, but I would recommend a new rod made of modern materials. Fibre glass is sooo yesterday :-) A rod with s fast top action is what you need. Am I right in thinking that virtually no-one uses the drag on a reel to play the fish? I've certainly never seen anyone doing it, so is there any point in paying £200+ for a reel? On still waters or reservoirs, usually the fish are played by hand lining in the line. I can't say if this is the best way, but it is the most common way. So I'm guessing that the real value lies in the rod / line combination. Now from experience of other sports (tennis / squash etc) that use carbon fibre equipment I've always found that there is quite a big difference between the lowest price and around the 60% of top price, but very little difference in the top 30-40% of the upper price range. Is this the case for rods? I.e I can imagine a big difference between a £59 rod and a £250 rod, but what about between the £250 rod and a £500 rod? You will be able to buy a rod that will cast a good line for less than £100, especially if you match it up to a WF 8 or 9 line. Floating is my first suggestion and I prefer Cortland 444 but things surely must have moved on since I last bought a line. -- Bill Grey |
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In article , W. D. Grey
wrote: In article , Charles Turner writes Hi Guys, I go fly fishing here in the UK a few times a year, but I might now go a bit more frequently, mainly reservoir / river. I'm thinking of getting some new tackle and am just looking for a bit of advice. I have a really old glass fibre rod (20 years??). It's a Shakespeare Sigma Supra 1725 - 285. 9.5 ft AFTMA No. 8-9. I also have a multi turn fly reel. The spec for the rod seems to be fine for UK reservoir fishing, but I would recommend a new rod made of modern materials. Fibre glass is sooo yesterday :-) A rod with s fast top action is what you need. Maybe Bill, but he might find the slow action more suitable if he's no need of long casts or wanting to fish awkward/encumbered banks. Am I right in thinking that virtually no-one uses the drag on a reel to play the fish? I've certainly never seen anyone doing it, so is there What size are the largest fish you expect in your preferred waters? If a 6oz brownie then no drag required, if 15lb+ then it probably is. any point in paying £200+ for a reel? I never have. On still waters or reservoirs, usually the fish are played by hand lining in the line. I can't say if this is the best way, but it is the most common way. I usually reckon that once you are playing on the backing the reel ought to be used - but that's just imo. So I'm guessing that the real value lies in the rod / line combination. Now from experience of other sports (tennis / squash etc) that use carbon fibre equipment I've always found that there is quite a big difference between the lowest price and around the 60% of top price, but very little difference in the top 30-40% of the upper price range. Is this the case for rods? I.e I can imagine a big difference between a £59 rod and a £250 rod, but what about between the £250 rod and a £500 rod? Apart from the extremes - under £20, over £500, there is very little difference in the blanks and many of the budget rods are made on the same blanks as the upmarket ones with different furniture and finish. Ask to handle a few of last years models ('out of date' and so cheap) - pick the cheapest one that feels OK. You will be able to buy a rod that will cast a good line for less than £100, especially if you match it up to a WF 8 or 9 line. Floating is my first suggestion and I prefer Cortland 444 but things surely must have moved on since I last bought a line. You should be able to get a complete outfit for under £100 - use what you save on a refresher casting lesson and a couple of fishing trips. :-) Cheerio, -- Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/ Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/ |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:21:36 +0100, Derek Moody
wrote: In article , W. D. Grey wrote: In article , Charles Turner writes Hi Guys, I go fly fishing here in the UK a few times a year, but I might now go a bit more frequently, mainly reservoir / river. I'm thinking of getting some new tackle and am just looking for a bit of advice. I have a really old glass fibre rod (20 years??). It's a Shakespeare Sigma Supra 1725 - 285. 9.5 ft AFTMA No. 8-9. I also have a multi turn fly reel. The spec for the rod seems to be fine for UK reservoir fishing, but I would recommend a new rod made of modern materials. Fibre glass is sooo yesterday :-) A rod with s fast top action is what you need. Maybe Bill, but he might find the slow action more suitable if he's no need of long casts or wanting to fish awkward/encumbered banks. Am I right in thinking that virtually no-one uses the drag on a reel to play the fish? I've certainly never seen anyone doing it, so is there What size are the largest fish you expect in your preferred waters? If a 6oz brownie then no drag required, if 15lb+ then it probably is. any point in paying £200+ for a reel? I never have. On still waters or reservoirs, usually the fish are played by hand lining in the line. I can't say if this is the best way, but it is the most common way. I usually reckon that once you are playing on the backing the reel ought to be used - but that's just imo. So I'm guessing that the real value lies in the rod / line combination. Now from experience of other sports (tennis / squash etc) that use carbon fibre equipment I've always found that there is quite a big difference between the lowest price and around the 60% of top price, but very little difference in the top 30-40% of the upper price range. Is this the case for rods? I.e I can imagine a big difference between a £59 rod and a £250 rod, but what about between the £250 rod and a £500 rod? Apart from the extremes - under £20, over £500, there is very little difference in the blanks and many of the budget rods are made on the same blanks as the upmarket ones with different furniture and finish. Ask to handle a few of last years models ('out of date' and so cheap) - pick the cheapest one that feels OK. You will be able to buy a rod that will cast a good line for less than £100, especially if you match it up to a WF 8 or 9 line. Floating is my first suggestion and I prefer Cortland 444 but things surely must have moved on since I last bought a line. You should be able to get a complete outfit for under £100 - use what you save on a refresher casting lesson and a couple of fishing trips. :-) Absolutely. In fact, I saw a couple of used setups - rod and reel, no line to speak of, one a Daiwa and the other a Shakespeare, both usable fishing tools in graphite, offered for 20USD (about 50p UK nowadays...oh, OK, if it's necessary: G). Either of which would make decent gear for a beginner/novice and still-usable for anyone. I even thought about dickering a bit, just to have them around for guests, but don't really need them, so I left them for someone who might be able to really enjoy them. IAC, these types of things seem to turn up regularly, at least IME, so the OP might do a little digging around locally so as to see what might turn up. If the OP is fishing for smaller quarry, just about anything with a reel seat and basically straight guides will work and a reel is merely a line holder - anything above that is desire rather than necessity on such quarry. TC, R Cheerio, |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:45:49 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote: In article , writes Absolutely. In fact, I saw a couple of used setups - rod and reel, no line to speak of, one a Daiwa and the other a Shakespeare, both usable fishing tools in graphite, offered for 20USD (about 50p UK Fishing last Wednesday I tried out a rod/line combo for a pal.. I didn't think to find out the name of the rod but he assured me it cost 40ukpounds and the line - a WEF 8 cost 10 ukPounds. I easily managed to cast the whole line off the reel. The line just wanted to go - fantastic value. It was a well matched outfit which was the important thing. Money is what we choose to spend...obviously, one doesn't _need_ to spend to fish, and speaking for myself, I'd rather have fun with an inexpensive rig than fret over a pricy rig...as always, YMMV...but I suspect your energy expenditure is somewhat similar to mine...OTOH, what the **** do I know...have you gots you a Jag with a passel of Webers...? TC, R |
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In article , Dave Lane
writes W. D. Grey wrote: In article , writes On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:45:49 +0100, "W. D. Grey" wrote: In article , writes Absolutely. In fact, I saw a couple of used setups - rod and reel, no line to speak of, one a Daiwa and the other a Shakespeare, both usable fishing tools in graphite, offered for 20USD (about 50p UK Fishing last Wednesday I tried out a rod/line combo for a pal.. I didn't think to find out the name of the rod but he assured me it cost 40ukpounds and the line - a WEF 8 cost 10 ukPounds. I easily managed to cast the whole line off the reel. The line just wanted to go - fantastic value. It was a well matched outfit which was the important thing. Money is what we choose to spend...obviously, one doesn't _need_ to spend to fish, and speaking for myself, I'd rather have fun with an inexpensive rig than fret over a pricy rig...as always, YMMV...but I suspect your energy expenditure is somewhat similar to mine...OTOH, what the **** do I know...have you gots you a Jag with a passel of Webers...? Just a Ford.... KA :-) Difficult to get a decent rod in the back though! you want to try getting a 14 foot double hander into a mini??? Even in 3 pieces.... :+) Your maths are in terrible state - 3 doesn't go into 14...:-) How are things Dave - any salmon this season yet? -- Bill Grey |
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In article , Dave Lane
wrote: you want to try getting a 14 foot double hander into a mini??? Even in 3 pieces.... :+) I haven't had a chance to try getting my 14 foot double hander into anything yet this year - getting a bit late now 'though I might take it piking before the weather goes cold. Just spent a couple of weeks in Ireland, far -too much- water though. There were a couple of Shannon tribs we could have fished but even finding the river under all that floodwater would have been a feat. Not knowing the water the conditions would have been too dangerous. Even the sea fishing was badly affected by the mile or so of dirty brown runoff surrounding the coast. Cheerio, -- Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/ Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/ |
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In article , Derek Moody
wrote: Just spent a couple of weeks in Ireland, far -too much- water though. There were a couple of Shannon tribs we could have fished but even finding the river under all that floodwater would have been a feat. Hi Derek whereabouts were you? I've been thinking it would have been a great season on the Irish rivers I usually fish on the Foyle system - it's rare for Irish rivers to have more water than they can handel. Lazarus |
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W. D. Grey wrote:
In article , Dave Lane writes snip Just a Ford.... KA :-) Difficult to get a decent rod in the back though! you want to try getting a 14 foot double hander into a mini??? Even in 3 pieces.... :+) Your maths are in terrible state - 3 doesn't go into 14...:-) How are things Dave - any salmon this season yet? Hi Bill - sadly no - not yet. The river has been up and down like a yo yo, and I don't think that I have ever seen it so high - bit dodgy being down there sometimes. I've been flogging away at all of my favourite places, and a whole bunch of new spots, which have been quite nice to explore - but just the once had the line suddenly slap tight - really gets the heart going, doesn't it? It's chucking it down again this morning, so no prizes for guessing where I'll be later today :+) I was up at Idwal over the weekend, had a bunch of small trout, but might not make it up there again before the end of the month, and we didn't seem to get the mass heather fly fall - still time yet if the sun should suddenly decide to reappear. cheers Dave |
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In article , Dave Lane
writes W. D. Grey wrote: In article , Dave Lane writes snip Just a Ford.... KA :-) Difficult to get a decent rod in the back though! you want to try getting a 14 foot double hander into a mini??? Even in 3 pieces.... :+) Your maths are in terrible state - 3 doesn't go into 14...:-) How are things Dave - any salmon this season yet? Hi Bill - sadly no - not yet. The river has been up and down like a yo yo, and I don't think that I have ever seen it so high - bit dodgy being down there sometimes. I've been flogging away at all of my favourite places, and a whole bunch of new spots, which have been quite nice to explore - but just the once had the line suddenly slap tight - really gets the heart going, doesn't it? It's chucking it down again this morning, so no prizes for guessing where I'll be later today :+) I was up at Idwal over the weekend, had a bunch of small trout, but might not make it up there again before the end of the month, and we didn't seem to get the mass heather fly fall - still time yet if the sun should suddenly decide to reappear. cheers Dave I've only been out twice this year :-( I fished when the Tawe Disabled Fishers visited a local put an take fishery. I managed three nice rainbows on each occasion. All the fish weighed near as dammit 2.5 lbs each -(well graded stockies) Our local river - the Tawe has really been showing its strength this year with all the rain we've had up the top end of the Swansea Valley. -- Bill Grey |
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Lazarus Cooke wrote: In article , Derek Moody wrote: Just spent a couple of weeks in Ireland, far -too much- water though. There were a couple of Shannon tribs we could have fished but even finding the river under all that floodwater would have been a feat. Hi Derek whereabouts were you? I've been thinking it would have been a great season on the Irish rivers I usually fish on the Foyle system - it's rare for Irish rivers to have more water than they can handel. We were touring, looking for any sort of fishing. On the RTE news there were bridges washed out on some of the E coast rivers, Ireland had a -lot- of rain. Caught a few mullet and bass of the shore and some small coarse fish but the trip, generally, was below par. I did have one sea-trout follow a lure on a rocky foreshore at the start of the trip - looking for bass that day. I'm sure those with local knowledge could have taken a few salmon/sea trout but the sheer weight of water meant that detailed local knowledge was essential and, significantly, no locals were out. Cheerio, -- Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/ Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/ |
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W. D. Grey wrote:
In article , Dave Lane writes W. D. Grey wrote: In article , Dave Lane writes snip Just a Ford.... KA :-) Difficult to get a decent rod in the back though! you want to try getting a 14 foot double hander into a mini??? Even in 3 pieces.... :+) Your maths are in terrible state - 3 doesn't go into 14...:-) How are things Dave - any salmon this season yet? Hi Bill - sadly no - not yet. The river has been up and down like a yo yo, and I don't think that I have ever seen it so high - bit dodgy being down there sometimes. I've been flogging away at all of my favourite places, and a whole bunch of new spots, which have been quite nice to explore - but just the once had the line suddenly slap tight - really gets the heart going, doesn't it? It's chucking it down again this morning, so no prizes for guessing where I'll be later today :+) I was up at Idwal over the weekend, had a bunch of small trout, but might not make it up there again before the end of the month, and we didn't seem to get the mass heather fly fall - still time yet if the sun should suddenly decide to reappear. cheers Dave I've only been out twice this year :-( I fished when the Tawe Disabled Fishers visited a local put an take fishery. I managed three nice rainbows on each occasion. All the fish weighed near as dammit 2.5 lbs each -(well graded stockies) Our local river - the Tawe has really been showing its strength this year with all the rain we've had up the top end of the Swansea Valley. Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. D'you think it counts? |
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In article , Dave Lane
writes Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. D'you think it counts? If it only has thumbprints then No. It needs fingers to count :-) -- Bill Grey |
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On Sep 17, 7:55*pm, "W. D. Grey" wrote:
In article , Dave Lane writes *Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. *Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. *D'you think it counts? If it only has thumbprints then No. *It needs fingers to count :-) -- Bill Grey Hilarious --riverman |
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W. D. Grey wrote:
In article , Dave Lane writes Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. D'you think it counts? If it only has thumbprints then No. It needs fingers to count :-) groan.... |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:55:59 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote: In article , Dave Lane writes Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. D'you think it counts? If it only has thumbprints then No. It needs fingers to count :-) Gylwnn yslyn g'dyn baegig f'ubyar laegogll drflyyl yyyyl aeaeaeae... y Gymraeg, R ....hyll, evyn y'll Welsh f'ylks wyll, er, pry'll wyndyr...thym whyt dysn't spyek 'th lyngynge wyll wyndyr... |
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On Sep 19, 5:53*am, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:55:59 +0100, "W. D. Grey" wrote: In article , Dave Lane writes *Well, hold the page... caught my first salmon on the fly yesterday afternoon. *Unfortunately, it was only 4" long, with lovely thumbprints all the way down the sides. *D'you think it counts? If it only has thumbprints then No. *It needs fingers to count :-) Gylwnn yslyn g'dyn baegig f'ubyar laegogll drflyyl yyyyl aeaeaeae... y Gymraeg, R ...hyll, evyn y'll Welsh f'ylks wyll, er, pry'll wyndyr...thym whyt dysn't spyek 'th lyngynge wyll wyndyr... Just in case any of you UK lads are wondering, this is one of the real nasty *******s from ROFF. Treat with caution. Indeed, best to ignore him altogether. TL MC |
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In article , Derek Moody
wrote: the sheer weight of water meant that detailed local knowledge was essential and, significantly, no locals were out. I'm just back from Exmoor where the sheer LACK of water on the Barle meant that no locals were out either. I caught nothing except a few wee trout. Lazarus |
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Lazarus Cooke wrote: In article , Derek Moody wrote: the sheer weight of water meant that detailed local knowledge was essential and, significantly, no locals were out. I'm just back from Exmoor where the sheer LACK of water on the Barle meant that no locals were out either. If you'd only asked the Irish nicely at the time I'm sure they would have been happy to let you divert their excess... I caught nothing except a few wee trout. Barle trout are very pretty though. Cheerio, -- Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/ Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/ |
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