Well, now...
 

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
....and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

Well, now...
 

On Sep 4, 11:53*am, wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...


Yep, that Mark Salter can sure write a good speech.

I'm still waiting to hear more about how she stands on her own two
feet. Troopergate is still in the jurybox, as are a couple of other
character measurements. We'll see.....

But I agree.....good speech.

--riverman

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:29:58 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On Sep 4, 11:53*am, wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...


Yep, that Mark Salter can sure write a good speech.

I found it particularly interesting that at least some outlets kept
showing the TelePrompTer - none did it, that I saw, to any Dems. FWIW,
one of the US network news departments did a story on Obama and the
prompter, showing that he relies heavily on it and needs it. Somewhat
surprisingly, McCain was shown to do _much_ better speaking without it.
It was odd, McCain without and Obama with sound similar, speaking-wise,
and the opposite is true, except Obama without actually sounds worse
than McCain with.

OTOH, if you're implying that she is a lightweight who can read a good
speech, I'd suggest really playing that up...if you are anti-Obama or
pro-McCain/Palin...

And lastly, Salter didn't write it, apparently, Matt Scully did, but I
don't think it'll matter who wrote it, all the folks that matter will
remember or care about is who delivered it and how.

I'm still waiting to hear more about how she stands on her own two
feet.

I don't think Axelrod and Co. are looking forward to that at all...but I
suspect all are gonna find out pretty quickly...

Troopergate is still in the jurybox,

That's probably dead and buried - at the end the day, the voters that
matter will see someone taking up for their sister against some asshole
who done her wrong...regardless of the truth...

as are a couple of other character measurements.

Yeah, there could be a whole rackfull of hanging shoes out there, but if
they don't dropping fast...

We'll see.....

But I agree.....good speech.

Yep, and I missed most Rudy's intro until after...from what I've seen,
his wife should have called him as he climbed up to speak and told him
to shut the flock up...

TC,
R



--riverman

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On Sep 4, 6:07*am, jeff wrote:
wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

a bit shrill...but well-delivered. of course, reports are it was written
entirely by others and she was taught how to deliver it in a 6+ hour
session. still, she had to stand up there and make it true...and i think
she did well in talking to her choir. she seems sturdy. i look forward
to seeing her without her puppetmasters...that will be the real test.
but, i agree...it's going to be interesting and close.

jeff (still...i missed the black leather boots...perhaps she has a tatoo
and a special piercing??)

I'm not usually one to throw up the sexist card, but.....

Given that Obama's only reason for being nominated is his speech-
making
ability it feels odd to hear Palin denigrated for her speech-making
ability.

Full-disclosure, I didn't actually see/hear/read either Obama or
Palin's speeches,
I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a
teleprompter.
- Ken

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" wrote in message
...

I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a teleprompter.

That IS their substance.

Wolfgang
from the "THIS is the planet you live on" desk.

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:07:14 -0400, jeff
wrote:

wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

a bit shrill...but well-delivered. of course, reports are it was written
entirely by others and she was taught how to deliver it in a 6+ hour
session. still, she had to stand up there and make it true...and i think
she did well in talking to her choir. she seems sturdy. i look forward
to seeing her without her puppetmasters...that will be the real test.
but, i agree...it's going to be interesting and close.

I think Obama supporters can and will do real damage to their candidate
with commentary even a little bit stronger than yours written
speeches and puppetmasters. Very few, if any, of Obama's big speeches
were much more than reading exercises. In fact, one could sub "Obama"
for "she" in your statement above and have it be just as accurate.

jeff (still...i missed the black leather boots...perhaps she has a tatoo
and a special piercing??)

One can only hope...where's Larry Flint when ya need him...?

TC,
R

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sep 4, 6:07*am, jeff wrote:
wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

a bit shrill...but well-delivered. of course, reports are it was written
entirely by others and she was taught how to deliver it in a 6+ hour
session. still, she had to stand up there and make it true...and i think
she did well in talking to her choir. she seems sturdy. i look forward
to seeing her without her puppetmasters...that will be the real test.
but, i agree...it's going to be interesting and close.

jeff (still...i missed the black leather boots...perhaps she has a tatoo
and a special piercing??)

I'm not usually one to throw up the sexist card, but.....

Given that Obama's only reason for being nominated is his speech-
making
ability it feels odd to hear Palin denigrated for her speech-making
ability.

Well, fair's fair - she's no Halle Berry...

Full-disclosure, I didn't actually see/hear/read either Obama or
Palin's speeches,
I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a
teleprompter.

Um...OK. I'm curious - do you prefer to base your
substance-of-the-candidate decision more on the spew from Rush, et al or
Huffingtonpost, et al...?

Full disclosure - I watched 'em both because I wanted to see first-hand
how they do rather than have someone tell me what I should think about
it.

youtube this helps,
R

- Ken

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On Sep 4, 7:37*am, wrote:

She is on tape gushing over all the earmarked pork she got with the
help of Rep. Young (Indited) and Sen Stevens (On trial). And its a
matter of record that she did not turn back the $217 million pork pie
of Federal taxpayer money for the bridge to no-whe Fact, She kept
it and distributed to her own set of pork projects. Facts that the
vetting team did not get to the speech writing team in time to cut
from the speech. :

@)))))) What a TV ad that is going to make. Remember Richard, its not
only Texans who have trouble with that veracity thingy.

Dave

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On Sep 4, 7:37*am, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT), "



wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:07*am, jeff wrote:
wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

a bit shrill...but well-delivered. of course, reports are it was written
entirely by others and she was taught how to deliver it in a 6+ hour
session. still, she had to stand up there and make it true...and i think
she did well in talking to her choir. she seems sturdy. i look forward
to seeing her without her puppetmasters...that will be the real test.
but, i agree...it's going to be interesting and close.

jeff (still...i missed the black leather boots...perhaps she has a tatoo
and a special piercing??)

I'm not usually one to throw up the sexist card, but.....

Given that Obama's only reason for being nominated is his speech-
making
ability it feels odd to hear Palin denigrated for her speech-making
ability.

Well, fair's fair - she's no Halle Berry...



Full-disclosure, I didn't actually see/hear/read either Obama or
Palin's speeches,
I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a
teleprompter.

Um...OK. *I'm curious - do you prefer to base your
substance-of-the-candidate decision more on the spew from Rush, et al or
Huffingtonpost, et al...?

I prefer looking at past behavior.....which is difficult because in
this case
one candidate hasn't done anything.

Generally I look at who has been closest to the center before they
started
campaigning for President. This should make me an obvious McCain
voter.
Unfortunately he's been trying to make up to the far-right ever since
2000
and that's making me sick to my stomach. Picking an anti-abortion
person
for VP may push me completely over the edge. Still not sure I can
vote
for Obama since he's a completely unknown/inexperienced quantity and
seems
totally naive (read: way too far left) for my tastes.

Looks like I'm leaning towards throwing my vote away again to a 3rd
party
candidate.
- Ken

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"Frank Church" wrote in message
news:aQSvk.407$Af3.126@trnddc06...
wrote:
On Sep 4, 7:37 am, wrote:

She is on tape gushing over all the earmarked pork she got with the
help of Rep. Young (Indited) and Sen Stevens (On trial). And its a
matter of record that she did not turn back the $217 million pork pie
of Federal taxpayer money for the bridge to no-whe Fact, She kept
it and distributed to her own set of pork projects. Facts that the
vetting team did not get to the speech writing team in time to cut
from the speech. :

@)))))) What a TV ad that is going to make. Remember Richard, its not
only Texans who have trouble with that veracity thingy.

Dave

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Still, it's encouraging that this time around, as always, everyone here
remains single-mindedly focused on all of the large real issues, about which
they continue to display their characteristic breadth and depth of
knowledge.

Wolfgang
who knows that it ain't just everywhere a boy can go to find such a firm
grasp on the world geopolitical and economic scenes.......let alone such a
stellar selection of foolproof solutions to problems that escape everyone
else in the world.

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On Sep 4, 8:06*am, Frank Church wrote:
wrote:

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Frank Sr.

But of course you cannot dispute anything in my post. Can you?
Put up or shut up time. Or just **** into the wind like you just did.
Im going fishing for a few days. Lets see if you can actually learn
what happened in that time frame, given your superiority thingy.

We know a bit more about Alaskan politics up here in the Pacific NW.
Our papers and media actually cover Alaska. Do yours? Ive worked in
Alaskan and really like Alaskans in general. But their taste for
getting others to pay the bills is notorious. Claiming she and
Alaskans decry pork is hilarious. Just does not fly. As you are about
to learn.

Dave
BYU and Utah professors as liberals? Earth to Frank, Earth to Frank.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:59:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 4, 7:37*am, wrote:

She is on tape gushing over all the earmarked pork she got with the
help of Rep. Young (Indited) and Sen Stevens (On trial). And its a
matter of record that she did not turn back the $217 million pork pie
of Federal taxpayer money for the bridge to no-whe Fact, She kept
it and distributed to her own set of pork projects. Facts that the
vetting team did not get to the speech writing team in time to cut
from the speech. :

@)))))) What a TV ad that is going to make.

Yeah - boring. I'm not talking about reality or truth, I'm talking
about what the very small relative number of voters who are gonna decide
thing are going to believe (and/or want to believe). And 217 mil of
pork that she didn't initiate and came out of Congress isn't gonna make
one iota of difference. Heck, McCain, Obama, and Biden are more
responsible for it than she is, and "THE FACT" (cue music) that she took
what fell into her lap and spent on her state isn't going to get too
many folks all a-tizzy. Yet another thing the Dems, with two Senators
on the ticket, need to be VERY careful about shouting from the rooftops.
IAC, the Dems put up some shtick about pork and bridges and Alaskan
Senators and house remodels and the GOP puts up pictures of her and her
family and Cindy McCain, and the heartland of the US, where corn and
farm subsidies pay for vacations, votes Sarah/Cindy '08...and oh, yeah,
for that old guy, whathisname, the war hero dude, too...

Remember Richard, its not
only Texans who have trouble with that veracity thingy.

Right. It's most all politicians and "liberals"...

Dave

HTH,
R

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:53:13 -0500, wrote:

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

I agree: she delivered exactly as she was programmed, and did that job well.
Very well, in fact.

************************************************** **********************************************
September 4, 2008
After Palin speech, Obama has record $10 million day
Posted: 08:50 PM ET

(CNN) Barack Obama's campaign for president has raised $10 million since
Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin spoke Wednesday night, the
campaign announced, calling it a "one-day record."

Palin, the governor of Alaska, launched harsh attacks on Obama, accusing him
of being two-faced and a political lightweight with no significant legislative
accomplishments.

"Coverage of the Palin attacks on the news this evening just pushed us over
$10 million," Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in an e-mail to reporters
Wednesday night.

The Republican Party announced earlier in the day it had raised $1 million in
the wake of Palin's speech.
************************************************** **********************************************

Whoops!

/daytripper (maybe America is tired of such hateful rhetoric?)

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)

You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

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"jeff miller" wrote in message
. ..

...palin is the story so far...

And Murricans LOVE a good story. Speaking of which, two jokes:

One of them is an old joke and the other is not so old......and neither of
them is funny. But one of them will be the next president of the United
States of America.

Um......on second thought, that IS kinda funny.....for those who like
gallows humor. :)

Wolfgang
meanwhile, elsewhere (mostly.....for the time being), the body count is in
the millions and rising without any serious interruption.....or much notice.

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:23:41 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


wrote:

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)


You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

the most remarkable and noticable thing for me with regard to the entire
republican convention was the patent caucasian hue on the convention
floor and balconies...

I know...it was almost like every group of "gets to stand behind Obama
in a picture" was put into one big space...

Seriously, though, you expected much differently? There were a few
black and brown faces in the crowd, but not many.

other than speaking openly about the details and effect of his time as a
pow, which i thought a bit fetching but compelling and effective, his
talk was basic republican gruel...

the pretense of change was laughable.

And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

at least he didn't have that cryptkeeper grin that has plagued his
earlier speeches to his masses. i didn't hear any new ideas or policies
that will bring about change or reforms...did you?

Oh, there were some smatterings, but no, just like Palin, Obama, and
Biden, one couldn't cobble a "how to govern effectively" manual out of
his speech (or all 4 combined). Here's an interesting exercise for
those interested: print the transcripts of all 4 speeches and compare
them side-by-side (no, tab-flipping in a browser won't be as effective).

palin is the story so far...

Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).

TC,
R

jeff

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:56:15 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:


And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

most of it...why? b.o. has offered details in a public document and in
his talks...i don't see the same from your guy.

my intended point about mccain concerned his promise to change that
which has been in control of his own republican cadre for 8 years, and
his assertion palin is somehow going to be his co-architect in the
change. ... he has no "blueprint for change"...hell, he doesn't even
have a notecard for change. he's become the conventional republican with
too many promises to fullfil to be a "maverick", if he ever was
such...plus, he'll really screw up constitutional and federal law.
stevens won't last another 4 years...

The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.

Here's a hint - he stands about as much a chance at it all as Bob Barr
and his running mate, his wife's cat, stand at being elected to
POTUS/Veep and Queen of England and Royal Consort on the same
day...hell, they'd have to repeal the 22nd Amendment and he'd have to
live to 849, reelected every time, to accomplish all of what the
Blueprint promises. And every elected official from Congress to the
Coonpecker, Alabama dog catcher would have to cede total and complete
authority to him, plus he'd need to be named sole authority of every
business from GE and Exxon/Mobil to little Johnny Smith's lemonade
stand, to boot. IOW, you'll be hearing Hail Britannia To The Chief,
President Queen Bob (R) and Prince Muffy before it all happens.


palin is the story so far...


Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).


not sure it's the "newness"... but agree, i too think it's a dead heat
and will be decided by the knee-jerk vote. the only hope in nc is for a
large af-am turnout, because the bubba block is resolute.

See my reply to 'tripper the Rasmussen link and Palin passing Obama
AND McCain,

TC,
R

jeff

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wrote in message
...


critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:21:04 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .


critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom


It wasn't meant to be a critique of his health care ideas specifically,
but rather, the whole long list of promises without real details. A
quick glance at Blueprint shows about 500 or so "Obama will..."
statements such as:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending
Obama will cut skyrocketing pork barrel spending projects by forcing
more transparency about who is requesting projects and what the projects
would accomplish before Congress votes to approve them.

Cut Down on Tax Haven and Tax Shelter Abuse
Obama will build on his bipartisan work to penalize companies that abuse
the tax code and stop the use of tax havens."

And how will he do it, exactly - you know, the facts and figures, the
who, what, when, and why:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan
legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for
special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot
withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks
to no greater than what they were in 2001 and ensure all spending
decisions are open to the public."

and

"End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate,
Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the
abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350
billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.

Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing
field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and
deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry."

Um...OK. Overhaul the IRS, control Congress, and tax big oil...yeah,
there's some promises and ideas no one has heard before...and the
check's in the mail...

TC,
R

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"jeff miller" wrote :

[...]

palin is the story so far...


It's about time we started talking about the real candidate Palin.

http://michaelpalinforpresident.com/

;-)

-Dan

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On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

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On Sep 4, 10:58*am, wrote:
On Sep 4, 8:06*am, Frank Church wrote:

wrote:

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Frank Sr.

But of course you cannot dispute anything in my post. Can you?
Put up or shut up time. Or just **** into the wind like you just did.
Im going fishing for a few days. Lets see if you can actually learn
what happened in that time frame, given your superiority thingy.

We know a bit more about Alaskan politics up here in the Pacific NW.
Our papers and media actually cover Alaska. Do yours? Ive worked *in
Alaskan and really like Alaskans in general. But their taste for
getting others to pay the bills is notorious. Claiming she and
Alaskans decry pork is hilarious. *Just does not fly. As you are about
to learn.

Since you are informed about Alaska fiscal details, perhaps you can
expand on the information that, in the agreement preceding statehood,
the Alaskans said they didn't want to become wards of the federal
government, but couldn't see any way to avoid it, given their
industrial status. The Feds promised to unlock the land to allow for
the extraction of the resources that would allow the state to take
care of itself. You saw what it took to get the pipeline.
So far, other than that and some token teeth-pulling, it hasn't
happened. Unlock the land and AK will pay it all back, with interest.

cheers

oz, who understands that there is a reason the Forest Service is under
the Dept. of Agriculture

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On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

cheers

oz, who made (mostly) good choices

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:12:43 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

wrote:


The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.


so...there should be no ideas, no blueprints, and no effort, eh? well,
i agree mccain's the man for that.

i think obama's at least started the process in a substantive way. what
has mccain done? i'll take the guy with ideas and blueprints, and hope
he can get some of it done, instead of settling for the same ****
wrapped in an old man's skin. i do believe there are some of the larger
issues - health care, education, middle class tax relief, energy
independence, rebuilding foreign relations and diplomacy - that he will
focus on and make real progress with. by the way...where have all the
iraq $$billions we've spent come from??

jeff

RDean will get you a new mansion, free of charge. Here's the plan and a
blueprint:

Plan: Go into Home Depot and take all the money. If anyone tries to
stop you, explain that it is part of the plan for change. Then go over
to Lowe's and buy all the materials you need.

Blueprint: Nail boards together, making sure plumbing, electrical, and
other systems are done properly. Roof house. Insulate house. Install
doors and windows. Finish out as desired. Move in.

There ya go. With those detailed instructions, you ought to be moved in
by tomorrow, no problem. If you run into problems or unforeseen
circumstances, see plan and blueprint because they cover everything.

You're welcome. Please send me a campaign contribution.

HTH,
R
....and for a modest sum, I'll even rent you a hammer...

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz
wrote:

On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

Why do you hate America so much?

HTH,
R

cheers

oz, who made (mostly) good choices

Well, now...
 

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On Sep 5, 6:51*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz



wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. *Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

Why do you hate America so much?

....huh...?

You must be from out of town. I yield to no one in my love for
America.

I don't like to see it destroyed by the "gimmie, gimmie" crowd, and
those who pander to them for votes.

cheers

oz, who gives much by choice, but only under threat of imprisonment by
demand

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MajorOz wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:51 pm, wrote:
Why do you hate America so much?

...huh...?

You must be from out of town.

Yeah, HE must be from out of town.

I yield to no one in my love for America.

Nor in your love for a vacuous cliché.

I don't like to see it destroyed by the "gimmie, gimmie" crowd, and
those who pander to them for votes.

cheers

oz, who gives much by choice, but only under threat of imprisonment by
demand

ZZZZZZ

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:12:43 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

i think obama's at least started the process in a substantive way. what
has mccain done? i'll take the guy with ideas and blueprints, and hope
he can get some of it done, instead of settling for the same ****
wrapped in an old man's skin. i do believe there are some of the larger
issues - health care, education, middle class tax relief, energy
independence, rebuilding foreign relations and diplomacy - that he will
focus on and make real progress with. by the way...where have all the
iraq $$billions we've spent come from??

Sheeese, I go away fishing an the Rapid for a few days, come home and
find out that you AND the boy lawyer have sipped all the kool aide.
Obama has but words, words he's been practicing for more than two
years. He has no experience, and his own veep says he is not ready to
lead the nation. McCain has the leadership and the executive
experience to lead. Hell, any senior nco in the military has more
leadership abilities than Obama, and most also have more executive
experience than him. Remember, it is Obama and Biden, not the other
way around.

OTT, fishing was great. See my tr and hug the dog for me.

Dave