Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.

With all that, AND all the clear evidence of eight years of
criminally irresponsible mismanagement by Republicans, if enough
people still vote for McCain and Palin to elect them, then those
people (and the country, frankly) will get exactly what they deserve.

Yes, the lower and middle classes will continue to decline while
the rich get richer. Yes, the country's standing in the world
will continue to sink, and its security continue to erode. But
really, folks will have asked for it. They will practically have
begged for it, willingly, fervently..... more of the same,
cynically packaged as "hockey moms" & "reform" & "shaking up
Washington".

OK. It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sep 6, 10:52*am, JR wrote:
Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.

With all that, AND all the clear evidence of eight years of
criminally irresponsible mismanagement by Republicans, if enough
people still vote for McCain and Palin to elect them, then those
people (and the country, frankly) will get exactly what they deserve.

Yes, the lower and middle classes will continue to decline while
the rich get richer. Yes, the country's standing in the world
will continue to sink, and its security continue to erode. But
really, folks will have asked for it. They will practically have
begged for it, willingly, fervently..... more of the same,
cynically packaged as "hockey moms" & "reform" & "shaking up
Washington".

OK. *It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR

Not unjust. The Tyranny of the masses.

Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...
Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman

.....beat me to the quote, Myron. But, it's not going to happen this time.
Tom

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

JR wrote:
Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.

With all that, AND all the clear evidence of eight years of
criminally irresponsible mismanagement by Republicans, if enough
people still vote for McCain and Palin to elect them, then those
people (and the country, frankly) will get exactly what they deserve.

Yes, the lower and middle classes will continue to decline while
the rich get richer. Yes, the country's standing in the world
will continue to sink, and its security continue to erode. But
really, folks will have asked for it. They will practically have
begged for it, willingly, fervently..... more of the same,
cynically packaged as "hockey moms" & "reform" & "shaking up
Washington".

OK. It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR


it is so odd that so many won't recognize the political duping going on...

mccain says he wants to end partisan rancor just hours after his shrill
chosen running mate gives a partisan, rancorous speech. he was against
bush's tax cuts, but now says they should be made permanent. he was
against anwr and off-shore drilling, now he's for it. he attacked tv
preachers as agents of intolerance, now he is chummy with the religious
right and curries their support. he sponsored an immigration reform bill
that he now says he would vote against. he was against physical torture,
but refuses to vote to outlaw it. he spouts the need for energy reform
but repeatedly fails to participate in necessary actions to extend tax
credits or to support the green industry. he claims the desire for
running a high-minded, principled campaign but engages in the typical
mud-slinging. he has shown an ineptness in public statements that belie
his claims of experience.

he's not a bad guy, perhaps...but he's just more of the same...only worse.

jeff

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sep 6, 9:21*am, jeff miller wrote:
it is so odd that so many won't recognize the political duping going on....


... and another side of that:

The Resentment Strategy
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Can the super-rich former governor of Massachusetts — the son of a
Fortune 500 C.E.O. who made a vast fortune in the leveraged-buyout
business — really keep a straight face while denouncing “Eastern
elites”?

Can the former mayor of New York City, a man who, as USA Today put it,
“marched in gay pride parades, dressed up in drag and lived
temporarily with a gay couple and their Shih Tzu” — that was between
his second and third marriages — really get away with saying that
Barack Obama doesn’t think small towns are sufficiently
“cosmopolitan”?

Can the vice-presidential candidate of a party that has controlled the
White House, Congress or both for 26 of the past 28 years, a party
that, Borg-like, assimilated much of the D.C. lobbying industry into
itself — until Congress changed hands, high-paying lobbying jobs were
reserved for loyal Republicans — really portray herself as running
against the “Washington elite”?

Yes, they can.

On Tuesday, He Who Must Not Be Named — Mitt Romney mentioned him just
once, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin not at all — gave a video address
to the Republican National Convention. John McCain, promised President
Bush, would stand up to the “angry left.” That’s no doubt true. But
don’t be fooled either by Mr. McCain’s long-ago reputation as a
maverick or by Ms. Palin’s appealing persona: the Republican Party,
now more than ever, is firmly in the hands of the angry right, which
has always been much bigger, much more influential and much angrier
than its counterpart on the other side.

What’s the source of all that anger?

Some of it, of course, is driven by cultural and religious conflict:
fundamentalist Christians are sincerely dismayed by Roe v. Wade and
evolution in the curriculum. What struck me as I watched the
convention speeches, however, is how much of the anger on the right is
based not on the claim that Democrats have done bad things, but on the
perception — generally based on no evidence whatsoever — that
Democrats look down their noses at regular people.

Thus Mr. Giuliani asserted that Wasilla, Alaska, isn’t “flashy enough”
for Mr. Obama, who never said any such thing. And Ms. Palin asserted
that Democrats “look down” on small-town mayors — again, without any
evidence.

What the G.O.P. is selling, in other words, is the pure politics of
resentment; you’re supposed to vote Republican to stick it to an elite
that thinks it’s better than you. Or to put it another way, the G.O.P.
is still the party of Nixon.

One of the key insights in “Nixonland,” the new book by the historian
Rick Perlstein, is that Nixon’s political strategy throughout his
career was inspired by his college experience, in which he got himself
elected student body president by exploiting his classmates’
resentment against the Franklins, the school’s elite social club.
There’s a direct line from that student election to Spiro Agnew’s
attacks on the “nattering nabobs of negativism” as “an effete corps of
impudent snobs,” and from there to the peculiar cult of personality
that not long ago surrounded George W. Bush — a cult that celebrated
his anti-intellectualism and made much of the supposed fact that the
“misunderestimated” C-average student had proved himself smarter than
all the fancy-pants experts.

And when Mr. Bush turned out not to be that smart after all, and his
presidency crashed and burned, the angry right — the raging rajas of
resentment? — became, if anything, even angrier. Humiliation will do
that.

Can Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin really ride Nixonian resentment into an
upset election victory in what should be an overwhelmingly Democratic
year? The answer is a definite maybe.

By selecting Barack Obama as their nominee, the Democrats may have
given Republicans an opening: the very qualities that inspire many
fervent Obama supporters — the candidate’s high-flown eloquence, his
coolness factor — have also laid him open to a Nixonian backlash.
Unlike many observers, I wasn’t surprised at the effectiveness of the
McCain “celebrity” ad. It didn’t make much sense intellectually, but
it skillfully exploited the resentment some voters feel toward Mr.
Obama’s star quality.

That said, the experience of the years since 2000 — the memory of what
happened to working Americans when faux-populist Republicans
controlled the government — is still fairly fresh in voters’ minds.
Furthermore, while Democrats’ supposed contempt for ordinary people is
mainly a figment of Republican imagination, the G.O.P. really is the
Gramm Old Party — it really does believe that the economy is just
fine, and the fact that most Americans disagree just shows that we’re
a nation of whiners.

But the Democrats can’t afford to be complacent. Resentment, no matter
how contrived, is a powerful force, and it’s one that Republicans are
very, very good at exploiting.

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:52*am, JR wrote:
Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.

With all that, AND all the clear evidence of eight years of
criminally irresponsible mismanagement by Republicans, if enough
people still vote for McCain and Palin to elect them, then those
people (and the country, frankly) will get exactly what they deserve.

Yes, the lower and middle classes will continue to decline while
the rich get richer. Yes, the country's standing in the world
will continue to sink, and its security continue to erode. But
really, folks will have asked for it. They will practically have
begged for it, willingly, fervently..... more of the same,
cynically packaged as "hockey moms" & "reform" & "shaking up
Washington".

OK. *It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR

Not unjust. The Tyranny of the masses.

Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman
Yeah yeah yeah... so they say. But is it the government my two sons
deserve?
I deserve it because I didn't walk into the Swedish immigration
office in Stockholm and ask for asylum when I was there when I was 18.
But my kids are innocent (for kids) and don't deserve to be potential
neo-con cannon fodder.

Geo. C.

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:56:37 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:



OK. *It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR

Not unjust. The Tyranny of the masses.

Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman
Yeah yeah yeah... so they say. But is it the government my two sons
deserve?
I deserve it because I didn't walk into the Swedish immigration
office in Stockholm and ask for asylum when I was there when I was 18.

Typical "liberal" position - "I deserve a reward because I _didn't_ do
whatever..." Did you offer your sons a cookie if they didn't throw a
tantrum? Do you/will you give them money if the don't rob liquor
stores? You don't "deserve" **** because of what you didn't do.

But OK, what has Obama done to deserve being POTUS? I've asked every
Obama supporter or even mere fan on ROFF and not gotten a single
objective explanation of _anything_ the man has _ever_ done that
qualifies him to POTUS. Oh, I've gotten "he has a PLAN!!" and "Obama
will quote myriad promises..." and "he isn't Bush...," but thus far,
not so much as a "After doing some comparison shopping, he initiated the
switch in the Obama household from brand name to store brand chicken
noodle soup, thereby saving his family of big chicken noodle soup
consumers an estimated $23.00USD per annum."

But my kids are innocent (for kids) and don't deserve to be potential
neo-con cannon fodder.

What kind of cannon fodder do you prefer them to be...?

Geo. C.

And there you are,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:04:57 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:56:37 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:


OK. It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR
Not unjust. The Tyranny of the masses.

Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman
Yeah yeah yeah... so they say. But is it the government my two sons
deserve?
I deserve it because I didn't walk into the Swedish immigration
office in Stockholm and ask for asylum when I was there when I was 18.

Typical "liberal" position - "I deserve a reward because I _didn't_ do
whatever..." ...

Huh ? Did you deliberately misread George's post are where you
taught creationism in science class ? ;-)

Huh, right back at ya? If I understand the first part, no, I didn't
misread anything. He said:

" I deserve it because I didn't..."

So tell us Rick, what have you ever done to deserve the many
advantages you have other than be born to the right parents ?

I have no obligation to explain, much less justify, anything to anyone
here for a number of reasons, and chief among them in this case is
because I'm not running for POTUS, nor asking anyone to vote or
otherwise support me in such an endeavor, nor have I claimed that I
deserve anything.

And there you are,

Well, there *you* are, most of the rest of us had to work for it.

I suspect that I work at least as much, if not more, on things at least
as mentally and physically difficult, if not more so, and do so for a
longer period of time, on most days than many of "the rest of 'us'" and
have for many years. But I know that such stuff has no instant
relevance because, again, I'm not running for POTUS nor am I claiming to
deserve anything.

And there we are,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

wrote in message
...
I suspect that I work at least as much, if not more, on things at least
as mentally and physically difficult, if not more so, and do so for a
longer period of time, on most days than many of "the rest of 'us'" and
have for many years.

speaking of mentally difficult, reading this sentence required that I spike
my morning coffee(hell, I'm allowed, it's my birthday.....)! And, to think,
I figured that I'd mastered the 'run-on sentence'!!vbseg
Tom

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:40:19 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
George Cleveland wrote:
Yeah yeah yeah... so they say. But is it the government my two sons
deserve?
I deserve it because I didn't walk into the Swedish immigration
office in Stockholm and ask for asylum when I was there when I was 18.
Typical "liberal" position - "I deserve a reward because I _didn't_ do
whatever..." ...
Huh ? Did you deliberately misread George's post are where you
taught creationism in science class ? ;-)

Huh, right back at ya? If I understand the first part, no, I didn't
misread anything. He said:

" I deserve it because I didn't..."

Puhlease, you deliberately misstated George's position as
"I deserve a reward" when, unless you're way dumber than
you look, you know that he meant he deserves bad government
but his sons do not.

Yet another typical US "liberal" view - that being able to not only have
just about complete freedom of speech and to have any say in government
at all isn't a reward. Maybe instead of Sweden, you guys might want to
look into moving to, oh, maybe Zimbabwe. IAC, he said he deserved
something for doing nothing, and his sons deserved something else for
doing nothing.

So tell us Rick, what have you ever done to deserve the many
advantages you have other than be born to the right parents ?

I have no obligation to explain, much less justify, anything to anyone
here for a number of reasons, and chief among them in this case is
because I'm not running for POTUS, nor asking anyone to vote or
otherwise support me in such an endeavor, nor have I claimed that I
deserve anything.

Uh huh, and I've never heard anyone on this forum say that
Obama deserved anything either. What I've heard in this forum
is that Obama is the best candidate for the job among those
left in the running.

OK. Why is he the best candidate?

HTH,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:24:18 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Puhlease, you deliberately misstated George's position as
"I deserve a reward" when, unless you're way dumber than
you look, you know that he meant he deserves bad government
but his sons do not.

Yet another typical US "liberal" view - ...

Yet another typical GOP diversion and attack. The GOP style
modern conservative can't address the issues because their
positions are intellectually and morally bankrupt, always
have been but it's just now becoming obvious. Note to Rick:
"America Love It Or Leave It" was a stupid slogan even when
it wasn't old and stale.

Uh, yeah - "Those Goddamned mother****ing sonofabitch ******* cocksucker
Republicans called us liberals an impolite name..." wailed the poor
little "liberal."

"WOW! It must have been pretty bad..."

"They called us 'hypocrites'..."

Uh huh, and I've never heard anyone on this forum say that
Obama deserved anything either. What I've heard in this forum
is that Obama is the best candidate for the job among those
left in the running.

OK. Why is he the best candidate?

Because he's a liberal. Duh.

Well, now, finally some honesty...I can see Obama's new slogan now:
"Change we can bull**** you about"

HTH,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:36:50 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I suspect that I work at least as much, if not more, on things at least
as mentally and physically difficult, if not more so, and do so for a
longer period of time, on most days than many of "the rest of 'us'" and
have for many years.

speaking of mentally difficult, reading this sentence required that I spike
my morning coffee(hell, I'm allowed, it's my birthday.....)! And, to think,
I figured that I'd mastered the 'run-on sentence'!!vbseg
Tom



Happy birthday, Tom.

Geo. C.

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:04:57 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:56:37 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:


OK. It will be tragic, sure, but in no way unjust.

- JR
Not unjust. The Tyranny of the masses.

Or as someone else once , people get the government they deserve.

--riverman
Yeah yeah yeah... so they say. But is it the government my two sons
deserve?
I deserve it because I didn't walk into the Swedish immigration
office in Stockholm and ask for asylum when I was there when I was 18.

Typical "liberal" position - "I deserve a reward because I _didn't_ do
whatever..." ...

Huh ? Did you deliberately misread George's post are where you
taught creationism in science class ? ;-)

So tell us Rick, what have you ever done to deserve the many
advantages you have other than be born to the right parents ?

And there you are,

Well, there *you* are, most of the rest of us had to work for it.


Maybe I didn't make myself clear.

I deserve to live under a McCain/Mooselini government because I had
the chance to move to Sweden when I was 18 and Sweden was granting
draft age Americans political asylum at the time. I knew it. Thought
about it. And wimped out. Even though I really liked the country.

My kids did not have that chance and hence do not deserve to live
under the tender mercies of right wing religious zealots.

Geo. C.

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sep 7, 8:46*am, wrote:

NICE OF YOU TO ASK RICHARD.
Obama is the best candidate because he offers the best chance to
untangle the grubby hands of the "end of the road-er" right wing
America haters, from around the neck of the USA, the best hope for
democracy on the planet.

Obama holds out the possibility that traitors and that those who have
put selfishness and their feudalistic belief in their right to a free
ride, up as their false God, will find justice AFTER a trial, and not
at the end of a rope or firing squad like they deserve for their
treason. IF Obama is elected I fully expect some of these people will
flee the USA with their loot.

Obama for me holds out the hope that the Constitutional protections of
the individual will be restored and those in the current
administration who have waged war against the Bill of Rights, and
profited immensely from corruption and the cynical slaughter of our
young soldiers amplified by faulty equipment, rotted food, and
careerist leadership, will meet their deserved fate at the hands of
the American people.

Obama for me holds out the possibility of America for Americans, a
peaceful and helpful partner with the World, and the beginning of the
end of the systematic plundering of the world's resources and trained
people to prop up the sniveling nouveau riche purveyors of trash
culture.

Forget Obama, this election holds out the chance that working people
can reclaim their stake in this country thru the ballot box, and send
a signal that the stealing, corruption, and secret dealing is either
over or there will be hell to pay.

Dave
Today the Bush administration NATIONALIZED one half of the US
mortgage industry. I wonder how many Bush butt lickers even noticed?

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

JR wrote in :

Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.


Except the current administration has been using the Constitution as toilet
paper. First choice to me would be the ticket that is more likely to honor
and rebuild the separation of powers. McCain seems to be a stooge to the
same folks that Bush stooges for (is stooge a verb??), and Palin seems
rabid, so hope doesn't run high for me that they're the ticket.


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On 8 Sep 2008 13:09:50 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

JR wrote in :

Our generation was born with the gift of the U.S. Constitution.
It benefits from the wealthiest, strongest economy the world has
ever seen. It has a free press and, thanks to the internet,
access to almost unlimited amounts of information. It has open
and free elections.


Except the current administration has been using the Constitution as toilet
paper.

What do you see as some examples of this?

TC,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

dicklet said:

I have no obligation to explain, much less justify, anything to anyone
here

dicklet also said:

"I've asked every Obama supporter or even mere fan on ROFF and not gotten a
single objective explanation of _anything_ the man has _ever_ done that
qualifies him to POTUS."

As we all know only too well, some people are obligated to provide
explanations for one thing or another, while others are exempt on account'a
they says so.

Seriously.

And there you are,

Ainna?

Then dicklet said

I suspect that I work at least as much, if not more, on things at least
as mentally and physically difficult, if not more so, and do so for a
longer period of time, on most days than many of "the rest of 'us'" and
have for many years

Oh yeah? Bet you don't. So there. Nannie nannie boo boo!

And then dicklet said:

But I know that such stuff has no instant relevance

And who could ask for a better reason to belabor it, huh?

because, again, I'm not running for POTUS

No, actually, it has no "instant relevance" because there is no more
substance to this particular offering of intellectually and morrally vacant
tripe than there is to any of your others.

nor am I claiming to deserve anything.

You're a liar.

And there we are,

Well, there YOU are.

Wolfgang

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On Sep 8, 9:32*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote :

What do you see as some examples of this?

For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level that
surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to be
interpreted. *You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Add "Free Speech Zones" to the list.

--riverman

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On 8 Sep 2008 13:32:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:

What do you see as some examples of this?


For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level that
surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to be
interpreted. You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

Well, if, um, "sub-peon" stuff would come from anywhere, Congress would
seem a likely source...

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On Sep 8, 11:26*am, wrote:

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? *Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R
Scout Dean, its time you carried your own pack like a man.
Richard, see, this is that deal about the importance of doing YOUR OWN
READING again. You have had access to the same media, and maybe even
more of the CONSERVATIVE analysis of the constitutional problems with
the Bush Presidency. Yet, you need to ask others to do your work,
gather your footnotes, clean up your messes.
Dave
Cowboy up man, show some gumption

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On 8 Sep 2008 18:37:02 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:

On 8 Sep 2008 13:32:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:

What do you see as some examples of this?


For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level
that surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to
be interpreted. You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

Well, if, um, "sub-peon" stuff would come from anywhere, Congress
would seem a likely source...

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R


The signing statement is the Executive Branch MAKING LAW. They are not
allowed to do that. Clear violation of separation of Powers.

There is no Executive privilege in the Constitution. Exercising that
"right" is a violation of the oversight responsibilities constitutionally
mandated to Congress.

Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel that
the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would, please
cite specifics as to the violations you allege.

As to signing statement, were you just as outraged when Clinton, who has
a JD and had a bar card, issued them? What about all the other
presidents that issued them? And are you prepared to state
categorically that if Obama, who also has a JD, but no bar card, is
elected and issues so much as one, that it would be your opinion that he
should be impeached as he would be a violator of the US Constitution?
Please cite and give _your_ opinion as to the alleged violation(s), not
the ABA's or some other opinion.

And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned - what's
the argued violation you see there?

TC,
R

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Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On 8 Sep 2008 19:45:16 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:0usac4pnf6oeikqbsoo56m74bpsq94juh9
:

Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel that
the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would, please
cite specifics as to the violations you allege.


The President has no constitutional oversight responsibilities.

Hmmm...so what, in your opinion, should the President do should he feel
that Congress has presented a bill for signature or veto that contains a
Constitutional violation (keep in mind that line item veto is a no-no)?
IAC, extra-Constitutional and UN-Constitutional are two different
things.

And are you no longer contending that the other items you mentioned are
violations?

TC,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

On 8 Sep 2008 19:47:28 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:0usac4pnf6oeikqbsoo56m74bpsq94juh9
:

And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned - what's
the argued violation you see there?

You asked for a handful of examples. I believe I've offered them.

The Justice Department violations involve hiding the laws people need to
know so that they can obey them. Keeping the Justice Department
interpretations secret is Kafkaesque.

What law(s) do you allege was/were "hidden" and who do you claim was
prosecuted under that "hidden law?" Keep in mind that opinions are not
laws as well as the issue of privilege.

TC,
R

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me
 

Why McCain / Palin is OK with me