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JR October 11th, 2008 02:39 AM

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR

Dave LaCourse October 11th, 2008 02:53 AM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
Whatyathink about Biden being such a cheap skate? Don't hear much
about that in the press do ya?

Where are you, BTW. Do I hafta move my "Where's JR Pin"?

Dave



DaveS October 11th, 2008 04:59 AM

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On Oct 10, 6:39*pm, JR wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


What gets me is Todd Palin going around playing up his Native American-
ness. He is like 1/8th Yup'ic? Has never lived the culture. The
reporters should see whether be passes as a minority on the oil
companies' affirmative action rosters. Half my wifes family are more
Native American than that, but nobody lives the culture, and nobody
claims Native rights or shills as a token fractional Indian for the
companies at over $100k a year in a casual come-when-you-can phony
job.
Palin wouldn't be the first right wing smartass to try this scam.

Dave

Peaceful Bill October 11th, 2008 06:43 AM

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JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. ZERO credibility.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 06:47 AM

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On Oct 11, 7:43*am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/


- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. *ZERO credibility.


Since when was lack of credibility any hindrance to successful
propaganda?

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 06:59 AM

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On Oct 11, 7:47*am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:43*am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:

JR wrote:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/


- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!


ROTFLMAO. *ZERO credibility.


Since when was lack of credibility any hindrance to successful
propaganda?


Indeed, probably well in excess of 99% of all the political crap on
this group is merely bull**** and propaganda, as is obvious to any
half-way sensible person, but there is no doubt at all that some of
these morons actually believe the ****e they propagate.

Even that is not necessary, repeating something often enough has an
effect on other morons, and they in their turn propagate it. Thatīs
how politics works, most especially this American election. These
people deserve the worst possible government, because that is how they
behave themselves. Indeed, they reflect more or less exactly the
idiocy, greed, dishonesty, and dishonour that governs them now.

JR October 11th, 2008 07:20 AM

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Peaceful Bill wrote:
JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. ZERO credibility.



OK. How 'bout:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us...rooper.html?hp

Oh, no. Of course not. NYT, only the U.S.'s newspaper of record,
recognized globally as such, and therefore, of course, for the
red-blooded Murcan illiterate, of ZERO credibity,

so.....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-commissioner/

Fox News. You brown-shirts like that 'un, no?

Spin THAT, Sparky.

- JR



JR October 11th, 2008 07:45 AM

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Whatyathink about Biden being such a cheap skate? Don't hear much
about that in the press do ya?

Where are you, BTW. Do I hafta move my "Where's JR Pin"?

Dave


I think about Biden as Kevin does. *You* could never tell what I
give to charity by looking at my 1040..... and you're welcome to
think whatever you like about me.

Still in DC. Live a couple hundred yards east of the Capitol
building, bit farther north from the Marine barracks at 8th and
I. Surrounded by scoundrels, make almost nothing, but eat well,
so what's to complain?

All would be well if only I fished more often.

Love to Joanne, you retrograde knucklehead g.

JR




JR October 11th, 2008 07:50 AM

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JR wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Whatyathink about Biden being such a cheap skate? Don't hear much
about that in the press do ya?

Where are you, BTW. Do I hafta move my "Where's JR Pin"?

Dave


I think about Biden as Kevin does. *You* could never tell what I
give to charity by looking at my 1040..... and you're welcome to
think whatever you like about me.

Still in DC. Live a couple hundred yards east of the Capitol
building, bit farther north from the Marine barracks at 8th and
I. Surrounded by scoundrels, make almost nothing, but eat well,
so what's to complain?

All would be well if only I fished more often.

Love to Joanne, you retrograde knucklehead g.

JR


So I'm not misunderstood, when I say "scoundrels", the Marines
are definitely excluded.

- JR

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 08:13 AM

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On Oct 11, 8:50*am, JR wrote:
JR wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Whatyathink about Biden being such a cheap skate? *Don't hear much
about that in the press do ya?


Where are you, BTW. *Do I hafta move my "Where's JR Pin"?


Dave


I think about Biden as Kevin does. **You* could never tell what I
give to charity by looking at my 1040..... and you're welcome to
think whatever you like about me.


Still in DC. *Live a couple hundred yards east of the Capitol
building, bit farther north from the Marine barracks at 8th and
I. *Surrounded by scoundrels, make almost nothing, but eat well,
so what's to complain?


All would be well if only I fished more often.


Love to Joanne, you retrograde knucklehead g.


JR


So I'm not misunderstood, when I say "scoundrels", the Marines
are definitely excluded.

- JR


A mistake. They are highly trained and extremely useful scoundrels, as
long as they are under control.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 08:19 AM

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On Oct 11, 8:20*am, JR wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
JR wrote:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/


- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!


ROTFLMAO. *ZERO credibility.


OK. How 'bout:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us...rooper.html?hp

Oh, no. Of course not. *NYT, only the U.S.'s newspaper of record,
recognized globally as such, and therefore, of course, for the
red-blooded Murcan illiterate, of ZERO credibity,

so.....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...sed-power-firi...

Fox News. *You brown-shirts like that 'un, no?

Spin THAT, Sparky.

- JR


The trouble is you all try to "spin" something or other. Extremely
naive to expect that personal motivation would be completely ignored
by somebody in a situation like that. More or less everybody would do
the same thing.

There is no doubt that the trooper was dangerous and needed firing,
there was no doubt that Monegan did not want to do it, and was
pressured into it.

Does not say much about Palin though, except that she is loyal to her
family.

Tom Littleton October 11th, 2008 12:31 PM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Whatyathink about Biden being such a cheap skate? Don't hear much
about that in the press do ya?

Dave


because it isn't an accurate report. I suspect that 'report' you cite
doesn't include Catholic Charities.
Tom
p.s. Why is this any excuse for Palin's abuse of power??



Tom Littleton October 11th, 2008 12:33 PM

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"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
...
JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. ZERO credibility.


simmer down, Bill. They were reporting a publicly filed
document. Questioning their credibility under such conditions make you look
like an ideologically driven idiot. Which, apparently, you seem determined
to be.
Tom



Dave LaCourse October 11th, 2008 01:50 PM

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:50:10 -0400, JR wrote:

So I'm not misunderstood, when I say "scoundrels", the Marines
are definitely excluded.


Uh, to us sailors they are. d;o)

Eat well.

Dave



Dave LaCourse October 11th, 2008 01:53 PM

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:31:40 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

p.s. Why is this any excuse for Palin's abuse of power??


It wasn't and isn't an excuse for Palin's actions. If she did wrong,
she should pay for it. If Obama does wrong, he too should pay for it.
His connection with Acorn (talk about voting fraud!) is played up very
little in the press, as is his connection with Ayers and others.

Dave



Tom Littleton October 11th, 2008 02:03 PM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
His connection with Acorn (talk about voting fraud!) is played up very
little in the press, as is his connection with Ayers and others.

Dave


I would disagree on both counts, David. The ACORN thing is being played up
in both the print and TV. My sense is that they are a loose cannon, with
their own agenda(trying to curry favor with the likely winning candidate),
as those actions in NO way resemble the registration drives I've been
involved in all year. As for the
Ayers thing, it was already trotted out, and vetted during the Hillary
primary battle. That dog just doesn't really hunt, as it has been proven
clearly that there is little in the way of a tangible political connection
or obligation between Obama and Ayers. Hell, if we start tarring people over
every questionable character they ever crossed paths with, or shared a
dinner with, the pool of viable candidates would be limited to nuns and
maybe a third of all seminary studentsg
Tom



[email protected] October 11th, 2008 02:10 PM

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On Oct 11, 2:53*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:31:40 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

p.s. Why is this any excuse for Palin's abuse of power??


It wasn't and isn't an excuse for Palin's actions. *If she did wrong,
she should pay for it. *If Obama does wrong, he too should pay for it.
His connection with Acorn (talk about voting fraud!) is played up very
little in the press, as is his connection with Ayers and others.

Dave


Just as a matter of mild interest, whatīs your excuse for abusing this
group, and freedom of speech, to abuse and defame others? What do you
imagine you have to gain from it? Do you even know why you did it?

Of course, it is invariably a mistake to attribute something to evil
which may be just as easily explained by stupidity, and I suppose that
is the reason here. You certainly are stupid LaCourse, there can be no
doubt of that.

You did wrong LaCourse, very wrong. Do you think you ought to be made
to pay for it?

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 02:12 PM

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On Oct 11, 3:03*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

... His connection with Acorn (talk about voting fraud!) is played up very
little in the press, as is his connection with Ayers and others.


Dave


I would disagree on both counts, David. The ACORN thing is being played up
in both the print and TV. My sense is that they are a loose cannon, with
their own agenda(trying to curry favor with the likely winning candidate),
as those actions in NO way resemble the registration drives I've been
involved in all year. As for the
Ayers thing, it was already trotted out, and vetted during the Hillary
primary battle. That dog just doesn't really hunt, as it has been proven
clearly that there is little in the way of a tangible political connection
or obligation between Obama and Ayers. Hell, if we start tarring people over
every questionable character they ever crossed paths with, or shared a
dinner with, the pool of viable candidates would be limited to nuns and
maybe a third of all seminary studentsg
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


As we all know perfectly well you nasty lying mother****er, you tar
people and lie about them for no other reason than that you happen to
feel like it.

What do you think ought to be done with a nasty stupid **** who does
something like that?

Frank Reid Đ 2008 October 11th, 2008 02:24 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
Hell, if we start tarring people over
every questionable character they ever crossed paths with, or shared a
dinner with, the pool of viable candidates would be limited to nuns and
maybe a third of all seminary studentsg
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


I've already been told that my proposed run for Cass County Dog
Catcher won't fly 'cause I hang out here.
Frank Reid
(hell, they didn't even mention the attempted murder charge)


Dave LaCourse October 11th, 2008 03:34 PM

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:25 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

I would disagree on both counts, David. The ACORN thing is being played up
in both the print and TV. My sense is that they are a loose cannon, with
their own agenda(trying to curry favor with the likely winning candidate),
as those actions in NO way resemble the registration drives I've been
involved in all year.


Congress tried to slip them $500,000 in that bill that was rejected.
Who put *that* pork into the bill? I'm betting it wasn't a Republican
or a McCain supporter.



[email protected] October 11th, 2008 03:52 PM

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On Oct 11, 4:34*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:25 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

I would disagree on both counts, David. The ACORN thing is being played up
in both the print and TV. My sense is that they are a loose cannon, with
their own agenda(trying to curry favor with the likely winning candidate),
as those actions in NO way resemble the registration drives I've been
involved in all year.


Congress tried to slip them $500,000 in that bill that was rejected.
Who put *that* pork into the bill? *I'm betting it wasn't a Republican
or a McCain supporter. *


Iīm betting it was the same type of unprincipled ****bag as you
LaCourse, regardless of party. Somebody who would simply waste that
amount of money, ( you know how many tins of ham and ****bags that
would buy?) in order to further his own ends, (whatever they might be,
who knows what an idiot thinks?), simply because he thought he could
do it with impunity, and without even stopping to consider that it
might harm somebody.

Just like you denigrated and lied about people here LaCourse, because
you thought it was "fun", or you thought you were right, and because
you could.

There is absolutely no difference between you and the people you are
complaining about LaCourse, it is merely a matter of degree and
opportunity. You had the means and the power to damage somebody, and
you simply used it. You would do the same if you had more power or
money. You are not to be trusted LaCourse.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 04:56 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7643567.stm

Peaceful Bill October 11th, 2008 06:02 PM

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JR wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. ZERO credibility.



OK. How 'bout:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us...rooper.html?hp

Oh, no. Of course not. NYT, only the U.S.'s newspaper of record,
recognized globally as such, and therefore, of course, for the
red-blooded Murcan illiterate, of ZERO credibity,

so.....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-commissioner/


Fox News. You brown-shirts like that 'un, no?

Spin THAT, Sparky.

- JR



If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would.
The same as Obama should.

Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


DaveS October 11th, 2008 07:13 PM

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On Oct 11, 10:02*am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:

Republicans control the State Legislature in Alaska and its
Republicans with whom Sarah has earned her nickname of "Barracuda"
because she is famous for the art of the double-cross, not as the
naive evangelicals or the right wingers looking for a saviour have
attributed to her basketball and broadcasting mini career.

The Alaska Republicans have gone after her because she has welshed on
a number of handshake deals and kept the patronage plumbs for her
suburban circle while freezing out the older, traditional Republican
Statehouse patronage flies.

As I have said in other posts, Alaska politics are far more
complicated than can be understood from the deck of a cruise ship. I
find it hilarious that the Rebubs and the National media have made so
little progress in penetrating the Alaskan fog.

Dave

Peaceful Bill October 11th, 2008 09:17 PM

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DaveS wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:02 am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:

Republicans control the State Legislature in Alaska and its
Republicans with whom Sarah has earned her nickname of "Barracuda"
because she is famous for the art of the double-cross, not as the
naive evangelicals or the right wingers looking for a saviour have
attributed to her basketball and broadcasting mini career.

The Alaska Republicans have gone after her because she has welshed on
a number of handshake deals and kept the patronage plumbs for her
suburban circle while freezing out the older, traditional Republican
Statehouse patronage flies.

As I have said in other posts, Alaska politics are far more
complicated than can be understood from the deck of a cruise ship. I
find it hilarious that the Rebubs and the National media have made so
little progress in penetrating the Alaskan fog.

Dave


Yes, I agree you are truly in the fog.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 09:23 PM

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On Oct 11, 1:02*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would.
The same as Obama should.

Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? *Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


It was a majority of Republicans, 8 of them to 4 Democrats, actually,
and they voted unanimously. And they were given the charge to do this
by the Alaskan legislature, composed of 36 Republicans and 24
Democrats with (naturally) a Republican Senate President, in a state
with a Republican governor, a Republican Lieutenant Governor and a
100% Republican Congressional delegation. So, using your criteria, it
most definitely was *not* an "objective independent group" but one
tilted very heavily in Palin's favor.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 09:38 PM

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On Oct 11, 10:17*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
DaveS wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:02 am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:


Republicans control the State Legislature in Alaska and its
Republicans with whom Sarah has earned her nickname of "Barracuda"
because she is famous for the art of the double-cross, not as the
naive evangelicals or the right wingers looking for a saviour have
attributed to her basketball and broadcasting mini career.


The Alaska Republicans have gone after her because she has welshed on
a number of handshake deals and kept the patronage plumbs for her
suburban circle while freezing out the older, traditional Republican
Statehouse patronage flies.


As I have said in other posts, Alaska politics are far more
complicated than can be understood from the deck of a cruise ship. I
find it hilarious that the Rebubs and the National media have made so
little progress in penetrating the Alaskan fog.


Dave


Yes, I agree you are truly in the fog.


What else would you expect from a dumb sheep shagging motherfogger?

Tom Littleton October 11th, 2008 09:47 PM

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"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
...
If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would. The
same as Obama should.


for what?? I haven't seen any public reports about abuse of power or
violation of laws against Obama. Have you?
Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


good question. The commission was set up by the legislature(Republican
controlled), but supposed to act independantly of controls by that body. The
membership is bipartisan, with majority Republicans. The investigator is
thought to be rather conservative, but is tight-lipped over the matter of
partisan politics.

hth,
Tom



Peaceful Bill October 11th, 2008 10:01 PM

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wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:02 pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would.
The same as Obama should.

Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


It was a majority of Republicans, 8 of them to 4 Democrats, actually,
and they voted unanimously. And they were given the charge to do this
by the Alaskan legislature, composed of 36 Republicans and 24
Democrats with (naturally) a Republican Senate President, in a state
with a Republican governor, a Republican Lieutenant Governor and a
100% Republican Congressional delegation. So, using your criteria, it
most definitely was *not* an "objective independent group" but one
tilted very heavily in Palin's favor.


So when is the trial date? Or didn't they find that there were any laws
broken?

And IF they do go to trial, when do we hold most of congress to the same
standards?


Peaceful Bill October 11th, 2008 10:03 PM

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Tom Littleton wrote:
"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
...
If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would. The
same as Obama should.


for what?? I haven't seen any public reports about abuse of power or
violation of laws against Obama. Have you?
Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


good question. The commission was set up by the legislature(Republican
controlled), but supposed to act independantly of controls by that body. The
membership is bipartisan, with majority Republicans. The investigator is
thought to be rather conservative, but is tight-lipped over the matter of
partisan politics.

hth,
Tom



It does. Thanks.

Earlier reports seem to indicate that it was heavily weighted against her.

[email protected] October 11th, 2008 10:13 PM

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On Oct 11, 11:01*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:02 pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
If the report is true, she should pay the price as anyone else would.
The same as Obama should.


Who made up the commission looking into the abuse of power? *Was it a
majority of Democrats that would prefer to disgrace a Republican VP
candidate during a critical pre-election period or was it an objective
independent group?


*It was a majority of Republicans, 8 of them to 4 Democrats, actually,
and they voted unanimously. *And they were given the charge to do this
by the Alaskan legislature, composed of 36 Republicans and 24
Democrats with (naturally) a Republican Senate President, in a state
with a Republican governor, a Republican Lieutenant Governor and a
100% Republican Congressional delegation. *So, using your criteria, it
most definitely was *not* an "objective independent group" but one
tilted very heavily in Palin's favor.


So when is the trial date? *Or didn't they find that there were any laws
broken?

And IF they do go to trial, when do we hold most of congress to the same
standards?


You ought to at least read the various press release if you want to
comment sensibly on such matters, No laws were broken, and no action
will be taken.

Indeed, at least one senator advised extreme caution in interpreting
the published findings.

[email protected] October 12th, 2008 04:51 AM

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On Oct 11, 5:01*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
So when is the trial date? *Or didn't they find that there were any laws
broken?


I don't know, I'm sure you could find that out as easily as anyone
else.

And IF they do go to trial, when do we hold most of congress to the same
standards?


Election day.


[email protected] October 12th, 2008 01:26 PM

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:20:21 -0400, JR wrote:

Peaceful Bill wrote:
JR wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

- JR


MSNBC!!??!!??!

ROTFLMAO. ZERO credibility.



OK. How 'bout:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us...rooper.html?hp

Oh, no. Of course not. NYT, only the U.S.'s newspaper of record,
recognized globally as such, and therefore, of course, for the
red-blooded Murcan illiterate, of ZERO credibity,

so.....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-commissioner/

Fox News. You brown-shirts like that 'un, no?

Spin THAT, Sparky.


What's to spin? She did it. She "abused her power." Every executive,
political or private business, has done it. In fact, every person with
power has likely "abused" it at some point. And so what? She got her
sister's husband, who admits he was a drunk who smacked around his wife
and kids AND acknowledges he deserved being fired, fired "outside of
channels." Was it "abuse?" Absolutely. Was it "wrong?" I'd offer
that if she weren't McCain's running mate, 90-something percent of US
adults would say no. If it had been a "non-personal" thing where she
had "abused her power" to rid the force of some unrelated wife-beating,
kid-Tasering drunk, not only would most folks not care, most would
support the "abuse of power."

HTH,
R

- JR


[email protected] October 12th, 2008 02:49 PM

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:26:29 -0500, rdean3REMOVE wrote:


What's to spin? She did it. She "abused her power." Every executive,
political or private business, has done it. In fact, every person with
power has likely "abused" it at some point. And so what? She got her
sister's husband, who admits he was a drunk who smacked around his wife
and kids AND acknowledges he deserved being fired, fired "outside of
channels." Was it "abuse?" Absolutely. Was it "wrong?" I'd offer
that if she weren't McCain's running mate, 90-something percent of US
adults would say no. If it had been a "non-personal" thing where she
had "abused her power" to rid the force of some unrelated wife-beating,
kid-Tasering drunk, not only would most folks not care, most would
support the "abuse of power."

HTH,
R


A little confused by facts, aren't you? Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.

Tom Littleton October 12th, 2008 03:40 PM

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wrote in message
t...
Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.



I don't know who you are, but quit putting those disturbing facts into a
completely illogical debate!g
Tom



Ken Fortenberry[_2_] October 12th, 2008 04:07 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
wrote:
rdean3REMOVE wrote:
What's to spin? She did it. She "abused her power." ...


A little confused by facts, aren't you? Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.


Rick isn't confused about the facts, he was just quoting the
title of a comedy album.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] October 12th, 2008 04:13 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:49:51 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:26:29 -0500, rdean3REMOVE wrote:


What's to spin? She did it. She "abused her power." Every executive,
political or private business, has done it. In fact, every person with
power has likely "abused" it at some point. And so what? She got her
sister's husband, who admits he was a drunk who smacked around his wife
and kids AND acknowledges he deserved being fired, fired "outside of
channels." Was it "abuse?" Absolutely. Was it "wrong?" I'd offer
that if she weren't McCain's running mate, 90-something percent of US
adults would say no. If it had been a "non-personal" thing where she
had "abused her power" to rid the force of some unrelated wife-beating,
kid-Tasering drunk, not only would most folks not care, most would
support the "abuse of power."

HTH,
R


A little confused by facts, aren't you? Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.


Yeah, that should been "She was attempting to get..." IAC, the rest
remains. She "abused her power." She didn't do it for financial gain
and the reason is one that few with quarrel with if she wasn't the GOP
veep candidate. As far as firing the PSC (or whatever Mondrigan's ???
title was), that was found to be "lawful" and while the BIL's situation
was part of that firing, it wasn't the sole reason, nor, apparently, the
substantive reason. IMO, the "abuse" was the attempt at getting the BIL
fired, not the firing of the PSC. Did the replacement PSC fire the BIL?

TC,
R

Mr Opus McDopus October 12th, 2008 04:14 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
t...
Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.



I don't know who you are, but quit putting those disturbing facts into a
completely illogical debate!g
Tom


I find it simply disgusting that some know-it-all lurker comes in here and
hands R'ah Dean his ass in two sentences!

Priceless.

"Yeah, I kilt him. So what! He needed killin'. He was an abortion doctor.
People kill each other everyday, it's no big deal, right?"

Op --of course irrationalizing that political abuse of power is just an
everyday affair and nothing to worry about is what R'ah Dean does best.--


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[email protected] October 12th, 2008 04:29 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:14:41 -0400, "Mr Opus McDopus"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
t...
Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.



I don't know who you are, but quit putting those disturbing facts into a
completely illogical debate!g
Tom


I find it simply disgusting that some know-it-all lurker comes in here and
hands R'ah Dean his ass in two sentences!

Priceless.

"Yeah, I kilt him. So what! He needed killin'. He was an abortion doctor.
People kill each other everyday, it's no big deal, right?"


Hardly. And I'd offer that _every_ person on ROFF has "abused their
power" in form or another and rationalized it to themselves. Had this
been a Trooper with a good record who just happened to be divorcing her
sister, it would have been "wrong" of Palin to attempt to get him fired.

Should the people of Alaska be made aware of her "abuse?" Yes. Do I
think such "abuse" should influence, negatively or positively, them
(should she run for reelection) or national voters? No.

HTH,
R

Op --of course irrationalizing that political abuse of power is just an
everyday affair and nothing to worry about is what R'ah Dean does best.--


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


[email protected] October 12th, 2008 04:29 PM

Lots to admire in them reformin' mavericks.....
 
On Oct 12, 5:13*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:49:51 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:26:29 -0500, rdean3REMOVE wrote:


What's to spin? *She did it. *She "abused her power." *Every executive,
political or private business, has done it. *In fact, every person with
power has likely "abused" it at some point. *And so what? *She got her
sister's husband, who admits he was a drunk who smacked around his wife
and kids AND acknowledges he deserved being fired, fired "outside of
channels." *Was it "abuse?" *Absolutely. *Was it "wrong?" *I'd offer
that if she weren't McCain's running mate, 90-something percent of US
adults would say no. *If it had been a "non-personal" thing where she
had "abused her power" to rid the force of some unrelated wife-beating,
kid-Tasering drunk, not only would most folks not care, most would
support the "abuse of power."


HTH,
R


A little confused by facts, aren't you? *Starting with, the sister's
husband wasn't the one fired.


Yeah, that should been "She was attempting to get..." *IAC, the rest
remains. *She "abused her power." *She didn't do it for financial gain
and the reason is one that few with quarrel with if she wasn't the GOP
veep candidate. *As far as firing the PSC (or whatever Mondrigan's ???
title was), that was found to be "lawful" and while the BIL's situation
was part of that firing, it wasn't the sole reason, nor, apparently, the
substantive reason. *IMO, the "abuse" was the attempt at getting the BIL
fired, not the firing of the PSC. *Did the replacement PSC fire the BIL?

TC,
R


Do you think in abbreviations as well? Some of your rubbish might
make more sense, ( assuming it made any in the first place), if it was
even readable and understandable.

IAC? PSC? BIL?

Apart from which the gentleman found your weakness immediately, you
didnīt know the facts, and once again shot yourself in the foot.


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