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Ed Rollins seems to think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeOBqM5sMc


So does the Princeton Electoral Consortium

http://election.princeton.edu/todays...ote-histogram/


hth


GeoC

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George Cleveland wrote:
Ed Rollins seems to think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeOBqM5sMc


So does the Princeton Electoral Consortium

http://election.princeton.edu/todays...ote-histogram/

I don't know about a landslide but the realclearpolitics electoral
map is sure looking good.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._mccain/?map=5

Obama could lose Nevada, West Virginia, Colorado, Missouri, Indiana,
North Carolina, Ohio *and* Florida !!, all the toss up states, and
*still* beat McCain 277 - 261.

It looks like McCain is trying to back off the "lynch mob" strategy
in his own campaigning, it remains to be seen whether Palin will
tone down her hatemongering. At any rate, that strategy fired up
the faithful but it appears to be backfiring with independents and
working class Dems.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Oct 11, 5:46*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

It looks like McCain is trying to back off the "lynch mob" strategy
in his own campaigning, it remains to be seen whether Palin will
tone down her hatemongering. At any rate, that strategy fired up
the faithful but it appears to be backfiring with independents and
working class Dems.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well, there is little doubt of your expertise in hate-mongering and
lying propaganda. Indeed, you seem to do little else.

Hopefully it will backfire on you as well.

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On Oct 11, 9:23*am, George Cleveland
wrote:
Ed Rollins seems to think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeOBqM5sMc

So does the Princeton Electoral Consortium

http://election.princeton.edu/todays...ote-histogram/

hth

GeoC

This could turn on a dime, all it would take is one Obama mistake.
And I would be very careful not to underestimate Palin (same thing
that I said about Bush before his first election): she is much, much
better out on the trail than she is being given credit for, and - I
suspect - she is getting better by the day, and could end up making a
significant difference in critical regions such as in Ohio and PA.

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:57:56 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Oct 11, 9:23*am, George Cleveland
wrote:
Ed Rollins seems to think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeOBqM5sMc

So does the Princeton Electoral Consortium

http://election.princeton.edu/todays...ote-histogram/

hth

GeoC

This could turn on a dime, all it would take is one Obama mistake.
And I would be very careful not to underestimate Palin (same thing
that I said about Bush before his first election): she is much, much
better out on the trail than she is being given credit for, and - I
suspect - she is getting better by the day, and could end up making a
significant difference in critical regions such as in Ohio and PA.

PA is in Obama's pocket now, with a 14% lead in the polls. I think
McCain is still campaigning there because it is the only big state
that he has a remote chance of picking up and the way his campaign
handled pulling out of MI hurt him badly. He can't do it again. He's
stuck their and it will siphon off money and time that he could be
spending more profitably elsewhere. Ohio is a "different matter", but
of course is a "no matter" if Obama wins Florida or Virginia.

Of course this could turn on a dime. 3 weeks is a couple of changes of
momentum in the usual election. But it could also turn in Obama's
direction just as easily. McCain and Palin are the desperate ones and
its obvious in their actions and words. Palins favorability rating is
the lowest of the four Pres./VP candidates and dropping. Undecideds
are breaking 2 to 1 against her. She obviously appeals to the
Republican base but with a base 5 to 10 percent smaller than the
Democrats thats not going to do it this election. According to the AP,
Democratic registration has grown 5% and Repiublican registrations are
down 2% from 2004.

I know that Democrats are a pessimistic bunch. But if the numbers hold
up for another week and a half, if Bambi is still up by 6 to 8 points
nationally, then they are going to have to start acting like the Party
of Destiny in order to siphon off those last few people who, whether
we like it or not, are attracted in the last few days to the candidate
with the mantle of "Winner".

Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.

hth

GeoC

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wrote in message
...
I would be very careful not to underestimate Palin (same thing
that I said about Bush before his first election): she is much, much
better out on the trail than she is being given credit for, and - I
suspect - she is getting better by the day, and could end up making a
significant difference in critical regions such as in Ohio and PA.


she got booed in Philly at a hockey game last night, and the GOP state
chairman fretted publicly as to how the ticket seems to have lost votes
among suburban women in Southeastern PA(normally GOP country, in past
years).
I agree with GC's sentiments, that barring a major Obama misstep, they
should be able to win this one, easily.
That said, I have watched Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
countless times.......g
Tom

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On Oct 12, 12:57*pm, George Cleveland
wrote:



Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.

hth

GeoC

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform. One of the major problems facing reform in many parties and
governments is the deadlocking which occurs through lack of
majorities, which effectively blocks many things.

One must also remember that the will to reform is one thing, having
the power to actually do it is quite another, and that by and large
civil servants are mainly responsible for implementing policy, and not
politicians. If those civil servants block or frustrate policy, then
the politicians are basically powerless.

Of course, some of those reforms may also be something that many don´t
want, as they might well negatively affect their present status. Many
things are as they are because people wish them to stay that way.

Democracy itself has one major flaw, in that it assumes equality on
the part of the participants. This is obviously not the case. When
capitalism is added to this, then the concept and operation becomes
even more skewed, usually in favour of those with the most clout.

"Crushing" a party would not seem to be a particularly good idea,
especially in this case, as it would remove many checks and balances.
Although it may seem that a particular party is responsible for a lot
of unfortunate circumstances, because they happen to be in power, this
is rarely the case. It takes cooperation on many levels to implement
various things, and both parties are involved in this.

Also, having a majority does not automatically guarantee success in
any particular situation.

This type of "scapegoat" thinking merely results in more problems. One
can not do anything about what happened yesterday, one can only change
what will happen today or tomorrow.

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wrote in message
...
On Oct 12, 12:57 pm, George Cleveland
wrote:



Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.

hth

GeoC

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform. One of the major problems facing reform in many parties and
governments is the deadlocking which occurs through lack of
majorities, which effectively blocks many things.

One must also remember that the will to reform is one thing, having
the power to actually do it is quite another, and that by and large
civil servants are mainly responsible for implementing policy, and not
politicians. If those civil servants block or frustrate policy, then
the politicians are basically powerless.

Of course, some of those reforms may also be something that many don´t
want, as they might well negatively affect their present status. Many
things are as they are because people wish them to stay that way.

Democracy itself has one major flaw, in that it assumes equality on
the part of the participants. This is obviously not the case. When
capitalism is added to this, then the concept and operation becomes
even more skewed, usually in favour of those with the most clout.

"Crushing" a party would not seem to be a particularly good idea,
especially in this case, as it would remove many checks and balances.
Although it may seem that a particular party is responsible for a lot
of unfortunate circumstances, because they happen to be in power, this
is rarely the case. It takes cooperation on many levels to implement
various things, and both parties are involved in this.

Also, having a majority does not automatically guarantee success in
any particular situation.

This type of "scapegoat" thinking merely results in more problems. One
can not do anything about what happened yesterday, one can only change
what will happen today or tomorrow.


Reform? What exactly are his reform policies? Both the candidates are
scary. I just think Obama and his life long political leanings are more
scary than McCain's. And Obama and Pelosi are an extremely scary combo.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
:

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On Oct 12, 7:43*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Reform? *What exactly are his reform policies? *Both the candidates are
scary. *I just think Obama and his life long political leanings are more
scary than McCain's. *And Obama and Pelosi are an extremely scary combo..

As far as I have been able to determine, and of course my resources
are limited, as is my interest, knowledge, and ability to perceive and
integrate what I do know, none of these people have any specific plans
or policies for reform.

For quite a few people it seems to be implicit, but up to now there
has been nothing to even suggest it. The whole thing resembles more
than anything a tribal slanging match and a power struggle.

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On Oct 12, 7:48*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
:

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. *In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Heh heh, Calif Bill didn´t write that.

Parties only primarily serve their own interests, that is why many
things which are necessary and sensible never happen, it would be
contrary to party interests.

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On Oct 12, 11:06*am, wrote:

Are you actually a citizen of some country where you actually vote?
What might that country be? Do you vote? Have you done any grass roots
political work or served in a party office? You seem very far removed
from any real appreciation for things political, much less how things
might work in a large, continental, federal country such as the US or
Canada or Australia. Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

Dave

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On Oct 12, 10:49*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:06*am, wrote:

Are you actually a citizen of some country where you actually vote?
What might that country be? Do you vote? Have you done any grass roots
political work or served in a party office? You seem very far removed
from any real appreciation for things political, much less how things
might work in a large, continental, federal country such as the US or
Canada or Australia. Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

Dave

How you read things is your affair. There is no way I would give a
nasty **** like you any information at all, personal or otherwise.

Quite apart from which, somebody who rabbits on about monkey fellatio,
shagging diseased sheep, and a host of other weird and stupid ****e is
not to be taken seriously about anything.

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DaveS wrote:
snip
Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

He's uneducated, a clever simpleton with pretensions.

Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Oct 12, 11:55*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


He's uneducated, a clever simpleton with pretensions.

Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Heh heh, you wish Kenny boy. No idea what education you received, but
it did no good, because you turned out to be just a stupid nasty
****.

The more these other dumbos try to follow your lead, the more damage
they do themselves, and this group. Wouldn´t really make much
difference now even if they could think for themselves, or changed
their behaviour.

This place has had it as a fishing group. Eventually, only you nasty
****ers will be left. Indeed, it´s not far off that state now.

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
:

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

But we need good leadership in the next 4 years, or at least one that does
not screw us up really bad.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

hell, I was just pleased that he wasn't posting pictures.
Tom

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:23:19 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

hell, I was just pleased that he wasn't posting pictures.

SPLORKMUVANG and a yuck

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Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

hell, I was just pleased that he wasn't posting pictures.

Yeah, when he showed his ass he jumped the shark. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Oct 12, 8:29*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...
*I would be very careful not to underestimate Palin (same thing
that I said about Bush before his first election): she is much, much
better out on the trail than she is being given credit for, and - I
suspect - she is getting better by the day, and could end up making a
significant difference in critical regions such as in Ohio and PA.

she got booed in Philly at a hockey game last night, and the GOP state
chairman fretted publicly as to how the ticket seems to have lost votes
among suburban women in Southeastern PA(normally GOP country, in past
years).
I agree with GC's sentiments, that barring a major Obama misstep, they
should be able to win this one, easily.
That said, I have watched Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
countless times.......g
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

I hope that you and George are right, but I suspect that where Obama's
part-black origins may come into play is that a lot of the electorate
will give him much less slack than other candidates, so the chance of
a misstep is higher since what could prove to be a "misstep" for him
might not be for others. Also, I watched a Palin speech last night,
one she gave in Johnstown a few days ago, and was impressed, not by
what she said but how she presented it. I have no idea whether and
how much of the speech was written by others, but she definitely made
it appear her own.

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On Oct 12, 6:57*am, George Cleveland
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:57:56 -0700 (PDT), "
....... cut
Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.


I have a lot of reservations about a Democrat president and both
houses of Congress dominated by Democrats.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in
m:

But we need good leadership in the next 4 years, or at least one that
does not screw us up really bad.



and you'll have it.



--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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"Calif Bill" wrote in
m:

But we need good leadership in the next 4 years, or at least one that
does not screw us up really bad.



Look at the helplessness and disorganization in the McCain campaign. He
can't even run a campaign. It's not even clear that he's the one driving.
He disagrees with his own rhetoric. Why would you think he could run a
country?

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On Oct 13, 8:36*am, Scott Seidman wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote innews:cq6dnVOSycegH2_VnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@earthlink. com:

But we need good leadership in the next 4 years, or at least one that
does not screw us up really bad.

Look at the helplessness and disorganization in the McCain campaign. *He
can't even run a campaign. *It's not even clear that he's the one driving. *
He disagrees with his own rhetoric. *Why would you think he could run a
country?

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

.... and his campaigns are pretty much the largest organizations he has
ever tried to run.

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On Oct 13, 6:21*pm, "
wrote:

... and his campaigns are pretty much the largest organizations he has
ever tried to run.

At some McCain rallies the crowds have been led in chants calling for
lynching Obama and decapitating Obama. This is very danderous stuff.
Rove is directing this ****.

Ah but look, Karl Rove has a new boss and retains the same job: dirty
tricks, racist attacks, and anti-Semitic targeting. McCain has already
made his bargain with the devil by choosing to go dirty, in spite of
the fact that Bush used the same group of low life scumbags against
McCain last election. Lee A****er must be turning in his grave, after
his deathbed confession as to the illegal activities he performed for
the RNC to intimidate and deny African Americans and low income
citizens their right to vote. It is high time that the Justice
Department go after Rove for violating the Civil Rights and Voting
Rights laws.

Dave

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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
At some McCain rallies the crowds have been led in chants calling for
lynching Obama and decapitating Obama. This is very danderous stuff.
Rove is directing this ****.

I'm not sure it will cause dandruff, but the idea that Rove has any freaking
thing to do with it is flat-out loony, Dave.
And I work for the other side's campaign. Where the hell do you come up with
this stuff??
Tom

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On Oct 14, 10:52*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:21*pm, "

wrote:
... and his campaigns are pretty much the largest organizations he has
ever tried to run.

At some McCain rallies the crowds have been led in chants calling for
lynching Obama and decapitating Obama. This is very danderous stuff.
Rove is directing this ****.

Ah but look, Karl Rove has a new boss and retains the same job: dirty
tricks, racist attacks, and anti-Semitic targeting. McCain has already
made his bargain with the devil by choosing to go dirty, in spite of
the fact that Bush used the same group of low life scumbags against
McCain last election. Lee A****er must be turning in his grave, after
his deathbed confession as to the illegal activities he performed for
the RNC to intimidate and deny African Americans and low income
citizens their right to vote. It is high time that the Justice
Department go after Rove for violating the Civil Rights and Voting
Rights laws.

Dave

The fact is, that you are an unprincipled loony. You have carried out
personal and completely groundless smear campaigns on this group. Your
witterings about all this stuff, even if you think they are sincere,
merely show that you are not normal. Your "take" on various matters is
obviously weird and biased, and you apparently simply invent
connections or "reasons" for various things, to suit yourself.

Nobody is going to take you seriously on these matters, and doubtless
more than a couple are of the opinion that you have a screw loose.

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On Oct 14, 11:36*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

I'm not sure it will cause dandruff, but the idea that Rove has any freaking
thing to do with it is flat-out loony, Dave.
And I work for the other side's campaign. Where the hell do you come up with
this stuff??
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Doubtless he simply invents it, just like the lies Fortenberry
invented about me, and which you also vehemently propagated.

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On Oct 14, 1:52*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:21*pm, "

wrote:
... and his campaigns are pretty much the largest organizations he has
ever tried to run.

At some McCain rallies the crowds have been led in chants calling for
lynching Obama and decapitating Obama.

Where do you get this crap from?


McCain: "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have
to be scared about as President of the United States. If I didn't
think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be
running."

Older Woman: "I have read about him. He's an Arab".

McCain: "No, ma'am. No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, citizen
that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues
and that's what this campaign is all about."

I'm actually rather happy with the character of both the candidates.
They both appear to be decent
people.
- Ken

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On Oct 14, 8:40*am, " wrote:

Where do you get this crap from?

* * - Ken

Here is a start from the Associated Press:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...ig0FgD93NT6S02

And other lynch themed "anonymous" events like the one in Oregon at
George Fox University where a cardboard figure of Obama was hung by a
noose from a tree to intimidate minority students.

I think McCain has had a few second thoughts but his approval of Karl
Rove's management of the dirty projects, and the significance of the
Palin over Lieberman decision is well known.

Dave

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On Oct 14, 8:49*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 14, 8:40*am, " wrote:



Where do you get this crap from?

* * - Ken

Here is a start from the Associated Press:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...ig0FgD93NT6S02

And other lynch themed "anonymous" events like the one in Oregon at
George Fox University where a cardboard figure of Obama was hung by a
noose from a tree to intimidate minority students.

I think McCain has had a few second thoughts but his approval of Karl
Rove's management of the dirty projects, and the significance of the
Palin over Lieberman decision is well known.

Dave

How come all you loonies always solemnly and darkly insist that
various things are "well known", when mostly they are figments of your
overwrought imaginations?

Painted any monkey fellatio lately?

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wrote:
DaveS wrote:
At some McCain rallies the crowds have been led in chants calling for
lynching Obama and decapitating Obama.

Where do you get this crap from?

It comes from the mainstream press and it's well documented.

The McCain rallies in question were in Florida and McCain himself
was not present but represented by his attack dog Sarah Palin.

Here's an OpEd from today's _Washington Post_:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101302173.html

McCain: "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have
to be scared about as President of the United States. If I didn't
think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be
running."

Older Woman: "I have read about him. He's an Arab".

McCain: "No, ma'am. No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, citizen
that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues
and that's what this campaign is all about."

I'm actually rather happy with the character of both the candidates.
They both appear to be decent
people.

You're quoting McCain himself reacting to the backlash. McCain
himself may have once been an honorable man, and I have no reason
to doubt that he was, but he has allowed his campaign to degenerate
into very dangerous territory.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Oct 14, 9:13*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
.. McCain
himself may have once been an honorable man, and I have no reason
to doubt that he was, but he has allowed his campaign to degenerate
into very dangerous territory.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Heh heh, you ought to know about that. Have the same symptoms did you?
Or were you always dishonourable?

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On Oct 14, 11:49*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 14, 8:40*am, " wrote:



Where do you get this crap from?

* * - Ken

Here is a start from the Associated Press:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...ig0FgD93NT6S02

And other lynch themed "anonymous" events like the one in Oregon at
George Fox University where a cardboard figure of Obama was hung by a
noose from a tree to intimidate minority students.

Come on, you think the McCain camp's strategy to win is to hang a
figure
in a noose in the middle of nowhere down in Oregon?

Even the article you reference shows McCain not inciting this stuff:

"Volunteers worked up chants from the crowd of "U.S.A." and "John
McCain, John McCain," in an apparent attempt to drown out boos and
other displays of negative energy."

"
Some of the frustration at McCain's rallies is from people who want
the candidate to go harder after Obama. In Waukesha, when a voter
begged McCain to take a more combative tone toward Obama, McCain
instead talked about the financial crisis.

"Could I just say very quickly, yes, I'll do that," McCain said. "But
I also, my friends, want to address the greatest financial challenge
of our lifetime with a positive plan for action."
"

There's always going to be people on your side which you wished
weren't.
- Ken

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On Oct 14, 12:38*pm, " wrote:

There's always going to be people on your side which you wished
weren't.
* * - Ken

Ken
Just what do you think Karl Rove does for his paychecks? Write thank
you notes? Rove's mentor was Lee A****er. A****er studied Roy Marcus
Cohn.

Have you ever taken a look at the careers of these kinds of dark
figures? Maybe a little historical perspective would help. Was Lee
A****er before your time? Some of A****er's confessions at the end of
his life might give some perspective on what is happening now.

Here is a Wiki take on A****er, sanitized, but essentially correct
backround on A****er and the context and racist import of Republican
dark operations. And keep in mind, just how close A****ers's semi
legit half was to the Republican leadership.

Dave
Maybe too much Graybeard stuff here

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On Oct 14, 10:13*pm, DaveS wrote:

Ken
Just what do you think Karl Rove does for his paychecks? Write thank
you notes? Rove's mentor was Lee A****er. A****er studied Roy Marcus
Cohn.

Have you ever taken a look at the careers of these kinds of dark
figures? Maybe a little historical perspective would help. Was Lee
A****er before your time? Some of A****er's confessions at the end of
his life might give some perspective on what is happening now.

Here is a Wiki take on A****er, sanitized, but essentially correct
backround on A****er and the context and racist import of Republican
dark operations. And keep in mind, just how close A****ers's semi
legit half was to the Republican leadership.

Dave
Maybe too much Graybeard stuff here

Painted him doing something nasty have you? What colour sari was he
wearing?

Watch out for the black helicopters!

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On Oct 14, 3:38*pm, " wrote:
.......... (cut)
Some of the frustration at McCain's rallies is from people who want
the candidate to go harder after Obama. In Waukesha, when a voter
begged McCain to take a more combative tone toward Obama, McCain
instead talked about the financial crisis.

"Could I just say very quickly, yes, I'll do that," McCain said. "But
I also, my friends, want to address the greatest financial challenge
of our lifetime with a positive plan for action."
"

There's always going to be people on your side which you wished
weren't.
* * - Ken

... and Mccain has more than his share (not sure that this applies to
Ms. Palin, however).
Some of the fan base:

http://tinyurl.com/3vtflz

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On Oct 14, 2:36*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
I'm not sure it will cause dandruff, but the idea that Rove has any freaking
thing to do with it is flat-out loony, Dave.
And I work for the other side's campaign. Where the hell do you come up with
this stuff??
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

I read widely, and listen to quite a range of interviews. Loony huh?
What do you think Rove had done for a living for the last 20 years?
The South Florida campaign has Rove written all over it, although the
trickster in charge may be one of his operatives. Martin is clearly
not the top guy. The most recent edition of Rolling Stone has a group
of articles on Rove and his operatives in past and present elections.
Dave

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"DaveS" wrote in message
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What do you think Rove had done for a living for the last 20 years?

been employed by Geo Bush, most of the time. I have no doubt dirty stuff
occurs all the time, frequently real nasty stuff from the Repubs, but seeing
Rove as some sort of dirty tricks mastermind is, as I said, loony.
Tom

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On Oct 15, 2:34*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...
What do you think Rove had done for a living for the last 20 years?

been employed by Geo Bush, most of the time. I have no doubt dirty stuff
occurs all the time, frequently real nasty stuff from the Repubs, but seeing
Rove as some sort of dirty tricks mastermind is, as I said, loony.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Tom
Im not going to get all exercised on this. When you do the reading,
you might change your opinion. Just pick some sources you trust and
see what they have written on Rove's career.

Rove is considered to be one of the best ever practitioners of
political smear and sabotage. The Democrats have no one who even comes
close to Rove's dark immoral genius. So good that even Rove's proteges
are in high demand. In fact one of his masterpieces is thought to have
been the smear of John McCain in North Carolina. The Max Cleland
smear? The Valerie P. case? etc Remember?

Just remember to take back the "loony" comment down the pike.

Dave.