|
|
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...s_ Uzi_death/
Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ....and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
Well, yeah. The whole effin state is stooopid.
Why just yesterday it was revealed that a State Senator, one Diane Wilkerson, was arrested for bribery. The papers had pictures of her stuffing bribe money into her bra. Uh, one has to ask: How much money will a bra hold? Somewhere in the vicinity of $23,000. This is the same "legislator" that was found guilty of not paying income taxes a few years ago. And yet....... she keeps getting reelected. Yeah, people in Boston are stoopid. You should see the latest Barney Frank commercial. Pathetic! He talks like he has a mouth full of dick...... oooops, wait a minute...... he does! |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:55:44 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: Well, yeah. The whole effin state is stooopid. Why just yesterday it was revealed that a State Senator, one Diane Wilkerson, was arrested for bribery. The papers had pictures of her stuffing bribe money into her bra. Uh, one has to ask: How much money will a bra hold? Somewhere in the vicinity of $23,000. This is the same "legislator" that was found guilty of not paying income taxes a few years ago. And yet....... she keeps getting reelected. Yeah, people in Boston are stoopid. You should see the latest Barney Frank commercial. Pathetic! He talks like he has a mouth full of dick...... oooops, wait a minute...... he does! What in hell does Frank being gay have to do with letting a child fire a Micro Uzi and being stupid? Sheesh, part deux, R |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Well, yeah. The whole effin state is stooopid. snip You should see the latest Barney Frank commercial. Pathetic! ... Hell, you should move to Germany and hang out with The Loony, you sound just like him. And yes, it is pathetic. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 8:43*pm, wrote:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... It ain't just Bostonians (wait, that didn't come out right...) Stoopid people aren't just in Boston... http://tinyurl.com/6obk3t --riverman |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
|
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote: On Oct 29, 8:43*pm, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... It ain't just Bostonians (wait, that didn't come out right...) Stoopid people aren't just in Boston... http://tinyurl.com/6obk3t This is nothing like _an adult_ firing a revolver and having the barrel hit them in the head due to recoil. Aside from it being an adult, the weapon the child fired was still firing when the recoil from the first shot caused the muzzle flip - and the potential for something like this was made it so stupid and dangerous. In your video link, by the time that woman got hit with the muzzle, that bullet was _LONG_ gone. In this case, it is difficult for an untrained adult to fire a weapon such as a Micro Uzi (or 9mm/,45 cal. Ingram or other such machine pistol) as a handheld and keep the muzzle on-target/downrange. It would be essentially impossible for an 8 YO child to do so, so IOW, the potential for the second and subsequent fired bullets to go "off-target" was so high as to be a virtual certainty, whether or not anyone was killed or injured. To allow any untrained person to fire such a weapon is stupid and negligent. And considering that "grip-squeezing" the trigger would produce a burst of several rounds (depending on the exact configuration, it fires about 25-30 rounds a second), allowing a child to fire _this particular weapon_ is incredibly stupid and IMO, absolutely criminally negligent. TC, R --riverman |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
Without commenting specifically on Richard's comments, or the event in
quoted article, I want to educate you on some geography. There's nothing 'Boston' about this story except that the article was in a Boston newspaper. The event took place in the town of Westfield, 100 miles west of Boston in Hampden County (where I live). |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
|
Are people in Westfield as friggin' stoopid as the people in Boston...?
|
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 7:43*am, wrote:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... As Stan said, the event occurred out in "Indian Country" where we live, nowhere near Boston. (Well closer than N'awleens, but not real close) Anyhow, I saw the promo brochure for this event, and they had a free range set up with .22 caliber rifles & instructors to cater to the young kids. This kid's father, (a doctor, for gawd's sake!), promised the boy he could shoot a "machine gun". and somehow got him set up with the UZI. Why the range officer allowed this, I'll never know, but he did. There, of course, is now a big push for legislation to "make sure this never happens again". Well, they can pass all the gun laws they want, but until they find a way to regulate monumental stupidity, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I agree that the the father and the range officer, or whoever allowed the kid to even touch the Uzi, should be prosecuted. In the meantime, I would advise avoiding the ER at the hospital in Stafford Springs, CT, where the father works. |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT), george9219
wrote: On Oct 29, 7:43*am, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... As Stan said, the event occurred out in "Indian Country" where we live, nowhere near Boston. (Well closer than N'awleens, but not real close) Anyhow, I saw the promo brochure for this event, and they had a free range set up with .22 caliber rifles & instructors to cater to the young kids. This kid's father, (a doctor, for gawd's sake!), promised the boy he could shoot a "machine gun". and somehow got him set up with the UZI. Why the range officer allowed this, I'll never know, but he did. There, of course, is now a big push for legislation to "make sure this never happens again". Well, they can pass all the gun laws they want, but until they find a way to regulate monumental stupidity, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I agree that the the father and the range officer, or whoever allowed the kid to even touch the Uzi, should be prosecuted. In the meantime, I would advise avoiding the ER at the hospital in Stafford Springs, CT, where the father works. FWIW, this would not have happened with a full-sized (or Mini) Uzi fired as a carbine, only the Micro fired as a pistol. This particular model is particularly unsuited for this type of "event," as are all machine pistols, and any alleged "instructor" worth a **** would have known that. But anyone who has ever seen a handgun fired, much less fired a handgun, should have enough common sense to realize that an inexperienced person, and certainly any child, should not be allowed to fire such a hard-to-control weapon. The second and subsequent rounds were not going to be discharged in a safe fashion, period, given the situation, and the fact that someone was killed is just that taken to the extreme - even if no one had been hurt, the situation was still very unsafe because the firing was out of control. There are a large number of "machine guns" that could be, under careful, knowledgeable supervision, safely used in such a situation. A Micro Uzi is not one of them. It's something like "bikes" - the average 8 YO can easily handle a pedal bike and probably something like the little electric/weedeater powered "scooters," but they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to ride a full-race crotchrocket. TC, R |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip The papers had pictures of her stuffing bribe money into her bra. Uh, one has to ask: How much money will a bra hold? ... Why ask us ? Strap on a D cup, stuff your flabby old man boobs in it and gather the empirical evidence for yourself. ;-) Uh ... no need to report your data, you're probably the only one interested in that particular "experiment". -- Ken Fortenberry |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 12:12*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT), george9219 wrote: On Oct 29, 7:43*am, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina.... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... As Stan said, the event occurred out in "Indian Country" where we live, nowhere near Boston. (Well closer than N'awleens, but not real close) Anyhow, I saw the promo brochure for this event, and they had a free range set up with .22 caliber rifles & instructors to cater to the young kids. This kid's father, (a doctor, for gawd's sake!), promised the boy he could shoot a "machine gun". and somehow got him set up with the UZI. Why the range officer allowed this, I'll never know, but he did. There, of course, is now a big push for legislation to "make sure this never happens again". Well, they can pass all the gun laws they want, but until they find a way to regulate monumental stupidity, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I agree that the the father and the range officer, or whoever allowed the kid to even touch the Uzi, should be prosecuted. In the meantime, I would advise avoiding the ER at the hospital in Stafford Springs, CT, where the father works. FWIW, this would not have happened with a full-sized (or Mini) Uzi fired as a carbine, only the Micro fired as a pistol. *This particular model is particularly unsuited for this type of "event," as are all machine pistols, and any alleged "instructor" worth a **** would have known that. *But anyone who has ever seen a handgun fired, much less fired a handgun, should have enough common sense to realize that an inexperienced person, and certainly any child, should not be allowed to fire such a hard-to-control weapon. *The second and subsequent rounds were not going to be discharged in a safe fashion, period, given the situation, and the fact that someone was killed is just that taken to the extreme - even if no one had been hurt, the situation was still very unsafe because the firing was out of control. *There are a large number of "machine guns" that could be, under careful, knowledgeable supervision, safely used in such a situation. *A Micro Uzi is not one of them. *It's something like "bikes" - the average 8 YO can easily handle a pedal bike and probably something like the little electric/weedeater powered "scooters," but they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to ride a full-race crotchrocket. TC, R Agree 100%. It is fortunate that no one else was shot in this incident. The Hampden County DA is looking through our myriad of gun laws to see if there are any that apply. It seems unlikely, as this event was conducted on a licensed range on private property, and the usual permit requirements don't apply. It seems certain that they can and will charge those responsible for their reckless behavior. It is just as certain that the laws pertaining to private ranges will be changed, and if history is a guide, they will go way overboard. |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:52:01 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Why ask us ? Strap on a D cup, stuff your flabby old man boobs in it and gather the empirical evidence for yourself. ;-) Uh ... no need to report your data, you're probably the only one interested in that particular "experiment". I've seen a recent picture of you (kaaaccckk). If there be any flabby old man boobs, they be yours. I'll have you know I am down to 205 and bench pressing my weight. Not bad for an old man. And what about that marathon thingy...... you ever gonna run that or was it all talk? d;o) |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Why ask us ? Strap on a D cup, stuff your flabby old man boobs in it and gather the empirical evidence for yourself. ;-) Uh ... no need to report your data, you're probably the only one interested in that particular "experiment". I've seen a recent picture of you (kaaaccckk). If there be any flabby old man boobs, they be yours. I'll have you know I am down to 205 and bench pressing my weight. Not bad for an old man. That's just wonderful and I'll bet you have regular bowel movements too. That Metamucil is wonderful stuff. ;-) And what about that marathon thingy...... you ever gonna run that or was it all talk? Well, I ran Chicago way back when, finished in 4:15 which wasn't bad for a 42 year old. I'm not going to qualify for Boston anytime soon, but the older I get the slower the qualifying time so in that sense time's on my side. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:12:46 -0700 (PDT), george9219
wrote: On Oct 29, 12:12*pm, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT), george9219 wrote: On Oct 29, 7:43*am, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... As Stan said, the event occurred out in "Indian Country" where we live, nowhere near Boston. (Well closer than N'awleens, but not real close) Anyhow, I saw the promo brochure for this event, and they had a free range set up with .22 caliber rifles & instructors to cater to the young kids. This kid's father, (a doctor, for gawd's sake!), promised the boy he could shoot a "machine gun". and somehow got him set up with the UZI. Why the range officer allowed this, I'll never know, but he did. There, of course, is now a big push for legislation to "make sure this never happens again". Well, they can pass all the gun laws they want, but until they find a way to regulate monumental stupidity, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I agree that the the father and the range officer, or whoever allowed the kid to even touch the Uzi, should be prosecuted. In the meantime, I would advise avoiding the ER at the hospital in Stafford Springs, CT, where the father works. FWIW, this would not have happened with a full-sized (or Mini) Uzi fired as a carbine, only the Micro fired as a pistol. *This particular model is particularly unsuited for this type of "event," as are all machine pistols, and any alleged "instructor" worth a **** would have known that. *But anyone who has ever seen a handgun fired, much less fired a handgun, should have enough common sense to realize that an inexperienced person, and certainly any child, should not be allowed to fire such a hard-to-control weapon. *The second and subsequent rounds were not going to be discharged in a safe fashion, period, given the situation, and the fact that someone was killed is just that taken to the extreme - even if no one had been hurt, the situation was still very unsafe because the firing was out of control. *There are a large number of "machine guns" that could be, under careful, knowledgeable supervision, safely used in such a situation. *A Micro Uzi is not one of them. *It's something like "bikes" - the average 8 YO can easily handle a pedal bike and probably something like the little electric/weedeater powered "scooters," but they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to ride a full-race crotchrocket. TC, R Agree 100%. It is fortunate that no one else was shot in this incident. The Hampden County DA is looking through our myriad of gun laws to see if there are any that apply. It seems unlikely, as this event was conducted on a licensed range on private property, and the usual permit requirements don't apply. It seems certain that they can and will charge those responsible for their reckless behavior. It is just as certain that the laws pertaining to private ranges will be changed, and if history is a guide, they will go way overboard. "GUN" LAWS??!! WTF? Why does it need to be a "gun law?" I know Mass has a gracious plenty of "liberals," weenies, Kennedys and other assorted kooks, but I can't imagine that there aren't already at least several general "conduct" laws that would apply to several of the various levels of participation in this. This is almost as stupid as all the "hate crime" crapola. IAC, if you know your DA, tell them for me that he/she is an idiot. Either way, this is nothing more than some "liberal" anti-gun political stunt on their part. This has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with criminally-negligent conduct. IAC, given the weapon and circumstances, I cannot imagine any Legislator, even in Mass., introducing such a proposed law and even further out there would be a Legislature that would pass it. As to making a law (or laws) to prevent a re-occurrence, well, good luck...it would require as its underlying premise that your average person has common ****ing sense...I mean, if someone actually gave a Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Glass" to an infant, would "liberals" be screaming that there needed to be a Dan Ackroyd law...? TC, R ...would one need a permit to carry a concealed Tina Fey...assuming Tina Feys weren't outlawed altogether... |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:05:07 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: time's on my side. Take it from an old man, time is *never* on your side. Dave |
OT: Are people in Western Mass friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 12:30*pm, wrote:
Snip Richard 1. Of course the adults should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Manslaughter at least. Idiots. 2. How did you wind up blaming the "liberals" for whatever? I'll bet you $25 godzillion that "liberals" were few and far between at this "let's shoot machine guns with the kids" family gun lover event. It seems like a case might be made that WTF were these gun whacks thinking. But the "liberals?" Come on dude, that is overworking the material at hand. Dave Now if you had worked the Clintons into the narrative I might have understood, but the "liberals?" Really. |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 2:30*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:12:46 -0700 (PDT), george9219 wrote: On Oct 29, 12:12*pm, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT), george9219 wrote: On Oct 29, 7:43*am, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... As Stan said, the event occurred out in "Indian Country" where we live, nowhere near Boston. (Well closer than N'awleens, but not real close) Anyhow, I saw the promo brochure for this event, and they had a free range set up with .22 caliber rifles & instructors to cater to the young kids. This kid's father, (a doctor, for gawd's sake!), promised the boy he could shoot a "machine gun". and somehow got him set up with the UZI. Why the range officer allowed this, I'll never know, but he did. There, of course, is now a big push for legislation to "make sure this never happens again". Well, they can pass all the gun laws they want, but until they find a way to regulate monumental stupidity, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I agree that the the father and the range officer, or whoever allowed the kid to even touch the Uzi, should be prosecuted. In the meantime, I would advise avoiding the ER at the hospital in Stafford Springs, CT, where the father works. FWIW, this would not have happened with a full-sized (or Mini) Uzi fired as a carbine, only the Micro fired as a pistol. *This particular model is particularly unsuited for this type of "event," as are all machine pistols, and any alleged "instructor" worth a **** would have known that. *But anyone who has ever seen a handgun fired, much less fired a handgun, should have enough common sense to realize that an inexperienced person, and certainly any child, should not be allowed to fire such a hard-to-control weapon. *The second and subsequent rounds were not going to be discharged in a safe fashion, period, given the situation, and the fact that someone was killed is just that taken to the extreme - even if no one had been hurt, the situation was still very unsafe because the firing was out of control. *There are a large number of "machine guns" that could be, under careful, knowledgeable supervision, safely used in such a situation. *A Micro Uzi is not one of them. *It's something like "bikes" - the average 8 YO can easily handle a pedal bike and probably something like the little electric/weedeater powered "scooters," but they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to ride a full-race crotchrocket. TC, R Agree 100%. It is fortunate that no one else was shot in this incident. The Hampden County DA is looking through our myriad of gun laws to see if there are any that apply. It seems unlikely, as this event was conducted on a licensed range on private property, and the usual permit requirements don't apply. It seems certain that they can and will charge those responsible for their reckless behavior. It is just as certain that the laws pertaining to private ranges will be changed, and if history is a guide, they will go way overboard. "GUN" LAWS??!! *WTF? *Why does it need to be a "gun law?" *I know Mass has a gracious plenty of "liberals," weenies, Kennedys and other assorted kooks, but I can't imagine that there aren't already at least several general "conduct" laws that would apply to several of the various levels of participation in this. *This is almost as stupid as all the "hate crime" crapola. *IAC, if you know your DA, tell them for me that he/she is an idiot. *Either way, this is nothing more than some "liberal" anti-gun political stunt on their part. *This has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with criminally-negligent conduct. IAC, given the weapon and circumstances, I cannot imagine any Legislator, even in Mass., introducing such a proposed law and even further out there would be a Legislature that would pass it. *As to making a law (or laws) to prevent a re-occurrence, well, good luck...it would require as its underlying premise that your average person has common ****ing sense...I mean, if someone actually gave a Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Glass" to an infant, would "liberals" be screaming that there needed to be a Dan Ackroyd law...? * TC, R ..would one need a permit to carry a concealed Tina Fey...assuming Tina Feys weren't outlawed altogether... Massachusetts - Feelgood laws are us. I gaurandamntee that we have legislators foaming at the mouth right now scrambling to write new legislation. I have met our DA, but will not mention my views to him, as I value my concealed carry permit. FWIW, I completely agree that this is a negligence issue, not a gun issue. With the father this kid had, he was doomed from the get-go. If it hadn't been a gun, it would have been an ATV, speedboat, motorcycle, etc. |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 11:02*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Oct 29, 8:43*pm, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina.... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... It ain't just Bostonians (wait, that didn't come out right...) Stoopid people aren't just in Boston... http://tinyurl.com/6obk3t This is nothing like _an adult_ firing a revolver and having the barrel hit them in the head due to recoil. *Aside from it being an adult, the weapon the child fired was still firing when the recoil from the first shot caused the muzzle flip - and the potential for something like this was made it so stupid and dangerous. *In your video link, by the time that woman got hit with the muzzle, that bullet was _LONG_ gone. *In this case, it is difficult for an untrained adult to fire a weapon such as a Micro Uzi (or 9mm/,45 cal. Ingram or other such machine pistol) as a handheld and keep the muzzle on-target/downrange. *It would be essentially impossible for an 8 YO child to do so, so IOW, the potential for the second and subsequent fired bullets to go "off-target" was so high as to be a virtual certainty, whether or not anyone was killed or injured. *To allow any untrained person to fire such a weapon is stupid and negligent. *And considering that "grip-squeezing" the trigger would produce a burst of several rounds (depending on the exact configuration, it fires about 25-30 rounds a second), allowing a child to fire _this particular weapon_ is incredibly stupid and IMO, absolutely criminally negligent. All your points are accepted. But I'd say that giving a 40cal handgun to a drunk woman to fire just for laughs is still bordering on the insanely stupid, as is videoing it to post on YouTube. I'm not going to play 'my stupid is bigger than your stupid'...they're both excellent examples of why 'common sense' tends to be pretty uncommon in the best scenarios. Sometimes lethally so. --riverman |
OT: Are people in Western Mass friggin' stoopid...?
On Oct 29, 4:20*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 29, 12:30*pm, wrote: Snip Richard 1. Of course the adults should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Manslaughter at least. Idiots. 2. How did you wind up blaming the "liberals" for whatever? I'll bet you $25 godzillion that "liberals" were few and far between at this "let's shoot machine guns with the kids" family gun lover event. It seems like a case might be made that WTF were these gun whacks thinking. But the "liberals?" Come on dude, that is overworking the material at hand. Dave Now if you had worked the Clintons into the narrative I might have understood, but the "liberals?" Really. Dave, There weren't many liberals at the machine gun event, but there are a whole bunch in the legislature that can't wait to add another gun law. Thing is, as I said before, this really isn't a gun issue as much as a negligence issue, and I agree that those directly involved, especially the father and range officer should be prosecuted. |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:59:41 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote: On Oct 29, 11:02*pm, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Oct 29, 8:43*pm, wrote: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...28_DA:_Crimina... Lessee here - an 8-year-old boy is dead, having shot himself with an out-of-control full-auto Uzi, and the local DA is wondering if anyone might have been negligent...uh, ya think? While I firmly believe that gun ownership, in general, is a Constitutionally-protected individual right in the US, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to allowing preteens to operate full-auto close-quarters combat weapons. *What possible defense to criminal negligence could a parent or instructor possibly have to allowing a 8 YO child to even handle such a weapon with a loaded magazine, much less fire the ****ing thing? And for those that don't know (probably most readers), a Micro Uzi on full-auto is difficult to control for an untrained adult of average strength and weighs considerably more than the average pistol or revolver. *I have experience with ones in all of the available calibers, including while fitted with sub-caliber training devices (.22), and I would say that there is no way whatsoever that a child could possibly fire any of them safely while on full-auto. *Such a firearm is not a target pistol nor a "plinking" firearm, it is purely and exactly what it was designed to be: a weapon, and children have no business whatsoever even handling such weapons, to say nothing of actually firing the thing. A sad sheesh, R ...and yeah, the father, the (alleged) "instructor" and anyone else involved in allowing this tragedy deserve some jail time, with the alleged "instructor" never being allow to so much a touch a firearm ever again or "supervise" anyone else doing so... It ain't just Bostonians (wait, that didn't come out right...) Stoopid people aren't just in Boston... http://tinyurl.com/6obk3t This is nothing like _an adult_ firing a revolver and having the barrel hit them in the head due to recoil. *Aside from it being an adult, the weapon the child fired was still firing when the recoil from the first shot caused the muzzle flip - and the potential for something like this was made it so stupid and dangerous. *In your video link, by the time that woman got hit with the muzzle, that bullet was _LONG_ gone. *In this case, it is difficult for an untrained adult to fire a weapon such as a Micro Uzi (or 9mm/,45 cal. Ingram or other such machine pistol) as a handheld and keep the muzzle on-target/downrange. *It would be essentially impossible for an 8 YO child to do so, so IOW, the potential for the second and subsequent fired bullets to go "off-target" was so high as to be a virtual certainty, whether or not anyone was killed or injured. *To allow any untrained person to fire such a weapon is stupid and negligent. *And considering that "grip-squeezing" the trigger would produce a burst of several rounds (depending on the exact configuration, it fires about 25-30 rounds a second), allowing a child to fire _this particular weapon_ is incredibly stupid and IMO, absolutely criminally negligent. All your points are accepted. But I'd say that giving a 40cal handgun to a drunk woman to fire just for laughs is still bordering on the insanely stupid, as is videoing it to post on YouTube. I'm not going to play 'my stupid is bigger than your stupid'...they're both excellent examples of why 'common sense' tends to be pretty uncommon in the best scenarios. Sometimes lethally so. First, I may have missed it, but I didn't see the woman drinking anything, much less enough to call her "drunk." The caption said she was drunk, but YouTube captions are often iffy at best. If she was drunk, then no, drinking and firearms don't mix. IAC, I'm not trying to say "my cited example of stupid is bigger than yours" (I'll happily concede that your stupid is bigger than mine, if you wish...), but IMO, there is considerably more risk in allowing most folks, and certainly a small child, to fire a machine pistol vs. an adult firing a revolver and to equate the two is improper and incorrect. For example, would you equate a commercial airline allowing a pilot to fly a full airliner while extremely intoxicated versus you driving after having had a small glass of wine 6 hours before driving? No? Well, that's about the difference in the two firearm examples. Not all firearms are the same - it would have been, IMO, reasonably safe to allow a _properly-supervised_ 8 YO child to fire a full-auto full-sized Uzi with a .22 kit. My view of this has nothing whatsoever to do with the "machine gun" aspect of this, it has to do with several adults allowing a situation in which a supposedly supervised child was allowed to handle and then fire a firearm they should have known was completely and totally unsafe for him to be handling and firing - these idiots gave a handful of double-edged razorblades to an infant and now are apparently shocked that he got cut. It was not "possibly negligent," "possibly unsafe," or "potentially dangerous," it was criminally-negligent under even the most defense-strained stretching of the term. HTH, R --riverman |
Are people in Boston friggin' stoopid...?
|
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:47 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2006 FishingBanter