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2008 Presidential election about race?
Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about
race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
rw wrote:
Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php I don't think that's the point which was beamed to earth from rdean's home planet. ;-) It's clear that race was not a significant factor in Obama's victory. Obama didn't win because of his race he won despite it. Look at the bottom right (how appropriate) of that graph. Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina all racist redneck states. Now the upper left (also appropriate ;-), not a lot of blacks voting for their race in Hawaii, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa. I don't know how the Obama campaign identified those voters who were both capable of "swinging" their state and who were going to cast their vote for Obama primarily because he's black. But for the sake of argument let's assume the Obama campaign was able to pull off that miracle. Only two miracles to go. ;-) Now you've go to get them to the polls, in big numbers because there's not a lot of them (it could be as few as one voter ;-), so how do you do that ? Herd them, or him, up and drive him to the polls, threaten them with violence, pay them, what ? So, OK however they got to the polls we'll give rdean Miracle #2. Nobody but rdean and the double secret analyzers of data on the home planet know about any of this. No mainstream press, no bloggers, no pundits, not even Faux News ! Just rdean and the fellows of the foil. Sorry, that's one miracle too many. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
rw wrote:
Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. What is shows is simply this: The higher the percentage of the African American vote in a state, the lower the percentage of the white vote went for Obama, and dramatically so. The sharply dipping tail of the curve represents South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. You can interpret this any way you want, but I interpret it as meaning that there is still strong racism in the South. (BTW, the African American vote was never greater than about 30%, and surely it would have gone overwhelmingly for any Democrat over any Republican, even if the nominee's race were not a factor.) -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
On Nov 14, 12:28*pm, rw wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. What is shows is simply this: The higher the percentage of the African American vote in a state, the lower the percentage of the white vote went for Obama, and dramatically so. The sharply dipping tail of the curve represents South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. You can interpret this any way you want, but I interpret it as meaning that there is still strong racism in the South. You can interpret it any way you like. Just looking at the data, it looks like there's no correlation in 46 of the states. The four states that are outliers are all geographically located and in a historically conservative region. Probably still a lot of racism too. - Ken |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. With 96% of African Americans voting for Obama? Puhlease. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. With 96% of African Americans voting for Obama? Puhlease. African Americans always vote Democrat, claiming that African Americans voted Democrat in this election because they're racists is itself racist bull****. The facts simply do not support such a racist bull**** interpretation. So, puhlease yourself. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. With 96% of African Americans voting for Obama? Puhlease. African Americans always vote Democrat, claiming that African Americans voted Democrat in this election because they're racists is itself racist bull****. The facts simply do not support such a racist bull**** interpretation. So, puhlease yourself. African Americans typically vote 65% dem. So take your bull**** medium rare and serve it up for you dinner. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. With 96% of African Americans voting for Obama? Puhlease. African Americans always vote Democrat, claiming that African Americans voted Democrat in this election because they're racists is itself racist bull****. The facts simply do not support such a racist bull**** interpretation. So, puhlease yourself. African Americans typically vote 65% dem. So take your bull**** medium rare and serve it up for you dinner. African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. I'm not the one stereotyping. You are. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. I'm not the one stereotyping. You are. Uh huh, and it's really the black voters who are the racists in this election. You are one ignorant piece of ****, PB. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
On Nov 14, 2:26*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: rw wrote: Maybe rdean has a point about the presidential election being about race. It appears that if it weren't for white racism Obama's victory might have been much larger: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/white_..._in_the_st.php That sword cuts both ways. No, actually it doesn't and claiming so is racist bull****. There is not one state that went for Obama in which black racism was a significant factor in the outcome. With 96% of African Americans voting for Obama? *Puhlease. African Americans always vote Democrat, claiming that African Americans voted Democrat in this election because they're racists is itself racist bull****. The facts simply do not support such a racist bull**** interpretation. So, puhlease yourself. African Americans typically vote 65% dem. So take your bull**** medium rare and serve it up for you dinner. African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. Give it a rest with the racist crap. 88% is less than 96% and the turnout was signficantly higher in 2008 among african-americans. Obama got approx 3.5M more african-american votes than Kerry. In contrast: In 2008, McCain received roughly 1/3 the african-american votes than Bush received in 2004 (approx 0.6M african-american votes). If african- americans had turned out for Kerry half as much as they did for Obama, Kerry would have been president these last 4 years. - Ken |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. I'm not the one stereotyping. You are. Uh huh, and it's really the black voters who are the racists in this election. You are one ignorant piece of ****, PB. You seem to be the hypersensitive one. Maybe you're trying to cover your own personal problem? Your personal attacks give you away. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. As long as you remain the closet racist yourself, you'll have to keep up the defense. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: African Americans voted 88% for John Kerry in 2004. I am sick and ****ing tired of ignorant morons spewing hateful racist bull****. So take your racist bull**** and shove it where the sun don't shine, moron. I'm not the one stereotyping. You are. Uh huh, and it's really the black voters who are the racists in this election. You are one ignorant piece of ****, PB. You seem to be the hypersensitive one. Maybe you're trying to cover your own personal problem? Your personal attacks give you away. Ah yes, the pathetic "play the victim" ploy. So what do your personal attacks say about you ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. As long as you remain the closet racist yourself, you'll have to keep up the defense. So you're really proud about coming out of that closet, are you PB ? Don't worry, you're just another anonymous piece of **** here, who will ever know ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. As long as you remain the closet racist yourself, you'll have to keep up the defense. So you're really proud about coming out of that closet, are you PB ? Don't worry, you're just another anonymous piece of **** here, who will ever know ? Keep up with the insults. They are completely in keeping with your inability to control your hatred and rage. Typical stereotyping bigot. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. As long as you remain the closet racist yourself, you'll have to keep up the defense. So you're really proud about coming out of that closet, are you PB ? Don't worry, you're just another anonymous piece of **** here, who will ever know ? Keep up with the insults. Why thanks, I think I will. They are completely in keeping with your inability to control your hatred and rage. I got no time to hate, PB, it's self-destructive but rage on the other hand, rage in small doses can be good for the soul. Typical stereotyping bigot. LOL ! When you post ignorant racist bull**** you better be prepared to deal with the consequences. Pulling that old kindergarten defense, "I know you are, but what am I ?" is more than a tad bit silly in an adult. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. As long as you remain the closet racist yourself, you'll have to keep up the defense. So you're really proud about coming out of that closet, are you PB ? Don't worry, you're just another anonymous piece of **** here, who will ever know ? Keep up with the insults. Why thanks, I think I will. They are completely in keeping with your inability to control your hatred and rage. I got no time to hate, PB, it's self-destructive but rage on the other hand, rage in small doses can be good for the soul. But you have such an abundance that it clouds your judgement. Blinds you. Typical stereotyping bigot. LOL ! When you post ignorant racist bull**** you better be prepared to deal with the consequences. Pulling that old kindergarten defense, "I know you are, but what am I ?" is more than a tad bit silly in an adult. I stand by my earlier statements that your concealing your own problems. But then what could a Treasury Department janitor know? Right? |
2008 Presidential election about race?
On 14-Nov-2008, "Larry L" wrote: racism = fear fear = human therefore, all humans suffer some racist thoughts Misanthropism has its benefits There are screwed up toxic people of every race White black yellow or green I prefer to be with very few of them regardless of race. I never met a moose or deer or even a bear for that matter that I did not like i never saw a bear throw beer bottles or cigarette butts in a river Fred |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Typical stereotyping bigot. LOL ! When you post ignorant racist bull**** you better be prepared to deal with the consequences. Pulling that old kindergarten defense, "I know you are, but what am I ?" is more than a tad bit silly in an adult. I stand by my earlier statements that your concealing your own problems. But then what could a Treasury Department janitor know? Right? So what are you saying, you were a Treasury Department psychiatrist ? LOL ! What you were, and are, is full of bull**** some of it racist. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Typical stereotyping bigot. LOL ! When you post ignorant racist bull**** you better be prepared to deal with the consequences. Pulling that old kindergarten defense, "I know you are, but what am I ?" is more than a tad bit silly in an adult. I stand by my earlier statements that your concealing your own problems. But then what could a Treasury Department janitor know? Right? So what are you saying, you were a Treasury Department psychiatrist ? LOL ! What you were, and are, is full of bull**** some of it racist. Right. Just like drawing the conclusion that I worked as a janitor in the Treasury department (your words). You can't even keep track of your own bull****. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. without ignorant morons posting bull****, there would be no ROFFg........calling people racist and ranting endlessly along those lines is starting to sound sort of loony. Tom |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: So what are you saying, you were a Treasury Department psychiatrist ? LOL ! What you were, and are, is full of bull**** some of it racist. Right. Just like drawing the conclusion that I worked as a janitor in the Treasury department (your words). You can't even keep track of your own bull****. Actually, my conclusion is that your "Washington penance" was spent sleeping in a cardboard box behind the Treasury Department. But I thought I'd be generous, go with the benefit of the doubt and give you a suitable job. And I am free to draw whatever conclusions I want about chicken**** anonymous posters. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: Fat chance. So long as there are ignorant morons posting racist bull**** I'll be all over it. Count on it. without ignorant morons posting bull****, there would be no ROFFg........calling people racist and ranting endlessly along those lines is starting to sound sort of loony. Bull**** is fine, racist bull**** is not. I try to be careful and call the bull**** racist, not the people. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: So what are you saying, you were a Treasury Department psychiatrist ? LOL ! What you were, and are, is full of bull**** some of it racist. Right. Just like drawing the conclusion that I worked as a janitor in the Treasury department (your words). You can't even keep track of your own bull****. Actually, my conclusion is that your "Washington penance" was spent sleeping in a cardboard box behind the Treasury Department. But I thought I'd be generous, go with the benefit of the doubt and give you a suitable job. And I am free to draw whatever conclusions I want about chicken**** anonymous posters. Like the insight provided by Mr. Littleton... looney |
2008 Presidential election about race?
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Bull**** is fine, racist bull**** is not. I try to be careful and call the bull**** racist, not the people. and calling an alternative opinion, or reading of statistics, racist is wrong. Repeating it, endlessly, at nearly everyone who questions your statistical analysis, is loony. Tom |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Actually, my conclusion is that your "Washington penance" was spent sleeping in a cardboard box behind the Treasury Department. But I thought I'd be generous, go with the benefit of the doubt and give you a suitable job. And I am free to draw whatever conclusions I want about chicken**** anonymous posters. Like the insight provided by Mr. Littleton... looney Uh huh. Like the insight provided by common sense, you're anonymous, ignorant and likely to stay that way. If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: Bull**** is fine, racist bull**** is not. I try to be careful and call the bull**** racist, not the people. and calling an alternative opinion, or reading of statistics, racist is wrong. Repeating it, endlessly, at nearly everyone who questions your statistical analysis, is loony. Assuming that most or a significant number of black voters are black racists is racist bull****. It doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with "statistical analysis". There's nothing wrong with calling racist bull**** exactly what it is. And I fully intend to do just that. YMMV -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:orant and likely to stay that way.
If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. You're bomb thrower, bless your heart. But calling people racist when they aren't OBVIOUSLY racist is ****ed up. I posted a link that, I believe, conclusively shows white racism in the deep South. Should anyone be surprised by that? No, they shouldn't. As long as the Republicans stick to their "southern strategy" and court these angry, racist whites, the worse off they'll be. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Actually, my conclusion is that your "Washington penance" was spent sleeping in a cardboard box behind the Treasury Department. But I thought I'd be generous, go with the benefit of the doubt and give you a suitable job. And I am free to draw whatever conclusions I want about chicken**** anonymous posters. Like the insight provided by Mr. Littleton... looney Uh huh. Like the insight provided by common sense, you're anonymous, ignorant and likely to stay that way. If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. I didn't post racist bull****, just statistics. Get some help. Seriously. Get help. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Uh huh. Like the insight provided by common sense, you're anonymous, ignorant and likely to stay that way. If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. I didn't post racist bull****, just statistics. The implicit assumption that there is some sort of equivalence (the sword cuts both ways, you said) between the overwhelming majority of blacks voting for Obama because he was the better candidate and racist rednecks in the deep south voting against Obama because he's black is not statistics, it's racist bull****. And that is exactly what you posted. You're an ignorant person. Seriously. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
rw wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. You're bomb thrower, bless your heart. But calling people racist when they aren't OBVIOUSLY racist is ****ed up. Well, in the first place I didn't call the anonymous janitor a racist, I called his post racist bull****. And if it wasn't OBVIOUSLY racist bull**** to you, then bless your heart, you're one of those oblivious types. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
rw wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. You're bomb thrower, bless your heart. But calling people racist when they aren't OBVIOUSLY racist is ****ed up. Well, in the first place I didn't call the anonymous janitor a racist, I called his post racist bull****. And if it wasn't OBVIOUSLY racist bull**** to you, then bless your heart, you're one of those oblivious types. Keep going with the name calling. You're really a piece of work. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: rw wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. You're bomb thrower, bless your heart. But calling people racist when they aren't OBVIOUSLY racist is ****ed up. Well, in the first place I didn't call the anonymous janitor a racist, I called his post racist bull****. And if it wasn't OBVIOUSLY racist bull**** to you, then bless your heart, you're one of those oblivious types. Keep going with the name calling. You're really a piece of work. Just tell me the name which bugs you the most and I'll be sure to throw that one in the rotation regularly. You're welcome. -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: rw wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you don't like being chastised for posting racist bull**** my suggestion to you would be quit posting racist bull****. It's quite simple, really. You're bomb thrower, bless your heart. But calling people racist when they aren't OBVIOUSLY racist is ****ed up. Well, in the first place I didn't call the anonymous janitor a racist, I called his post racist bull****. And if it wasn't OBVIOUSLY racist bull**** to you, then bless your heart, you're one of those oblivious types. Keep going with the name calling. You're really a piece of work. Just tell me the name which bugs you the most and I'll be sure to throw that one in the rotation regularly. You're welcome. *Fortenberry.* Its the worst possible thing I can think of. |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Keep going with the name calling. You're really a piece of work. Just tell me the name which bugs you the most and I'll be sure to throw that one in the rotation regularly. You're welcome. *Fortenberry.* Its the worst possible thing I can think of. How cool is *that* ?!!? I append that one to every single post ! Here's something you might want to chew on: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/1...ta_talk_angell Enjoy ! -- Ken Fortenberry |
2008 Presidential election about race?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Peaceful Bill wrote: Keep going with the name calling. You're really a piece of work. Just tell me the name which bugs you the most and I'll be sure to throw that one in the rotation regularly. You're welcome. *Fortenberry.* Its the worst possible thing I can think of. How cool is *that* ?!!? I append that one to every single post ! Here's something you might want to chew on: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/1...ta_talk_angell Enjoy ! Whatever. The article didn't even mention John Crowley. But then you don't really know about what you speak anyway. And neither did the author. Is he just another Fortenberry or does he have credibility. Yeah, "Fortenberry". I can think of no more insulting description. Go ahead and post. You'll get the last word, but I won't pay any attention to it. You're obviously not worth the bandwidth. But maybe you should mention to your shrink that he should up your meds. |
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