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FB roffians:
There is a thread on the FB roff site you should take a quick look
at.

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote ...
FB roffians:
There is a thread on the FB roff site you should take a quick look
at.


I've been on FB for a few (6?) months now. I've learned that much like on
USENET, there is no real privacy on FB. There are a few ways to minimize
"exposure" but all is discoverable. Google "facebook hacks" to see what a
moderately-determined person can find.

In the FB thread, a couple people have brought up concerns about people
seeing posts that, while pedestrian by roffian standards, may appear
incriminating to a less discerning audience. True enough that the potential
for exposure exists, but so does it here. It's really no different. Unless
you sockpuppet yourself here or have somehow magically managed to keep your
"real" name from ever being included (unlikely -- I tried and failed), if
someone wants to find what you've written, it's not too hard.

On the upside to USENET, not many people know of its existence, let alone
know how to access it. While that may give a facade of privacy, Google does
not exclude USENET posts from its search results, making the separation much
like the emperor's new clothes.

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans) must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)

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On Jan 8, 9:28*am, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:
"riverman" wrote ...

FB roffians:
There is a thread on the FB roff site you should take a quick look
at.

I've been on FB for a few (6?) months now. I've learned that much like on
USENET, there is no real privacy on FB. There are a few ways to minimize
"exposure" but all is discoverable. Google "facebook hacks" to see what a
moderately-determined person can find.

In the FB thread, a couple people have brought up concerns about people
seeing posts that, while pedestrian by roffian standards, may appear
incriminating to a less discerning audience. True enough that the potential
for exposure exists, but so does it here. It's really no different. Unless
you sockpuppet yourself here or have somehow magically managed to keep your
"real" name from ever being included (unlikely -- I tried and failed), if
someone wants to find what you've written, it's not too hard.

On the upside to USENET, not many people know of its existence, let alone
know how to access it. While that may give a facade of privacy, Google does
not exclude USENET posts from its search results, making the separation much
like the emperor's new clothes.

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans) must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)

I tried a few times to find the ROFF group on FB. Can you help me? I
am a novice and have only posted here a few times recently.

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craig wrote:

I tried a few times to find the ROFF group on FB. Can you help me? I
am a novice and have only posted here a few times recently.


God, I can't believe I'm saying this, but (queue 13yr old whiny voice):
"friend me"

dan brunsvold -- goofy pic, red, bad drawing of Marx (no, I ain't a marxist)
saying "become a historian, make big money"

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On Jan 8, 10:28*pm, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans) must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)


True that everything in FB (or ROFF) should always be considered
public. But one huge difference between the two is that usenet is
supposedly a dying thing, while FB is the New Big Thing. As such, its
being actively targeted by data-miners, identity-thieves and other
unscrupulous types. I think its wise to be even more cautious with
privacy and security settings on FB than on usenet (where we should
still be cautious). Caution can't guarantee security, but that doesn't
mean folks should be lax. Relying on 'security through being lost in
the crowd' is silly; we represent a very small and comparatively very
rich segment of the FB crowd...there are people who are looking to
find info from folks like us.

Google 'Facebook security' and read about it. This is a much-discussed
theme these days, and FB is pretty much the biggest culprit. Their
default setting is the LOWEST security level, and you have to go to at
least three separate sites to increase your security settings. Most
users don't even fully understand what the settings even mean, let
alone where they all are.

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote...
On Jan 8, 10:28 pm, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect
to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans)
must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)


True that everything in FB (or ROFF) should always be considered
public. But one huge difference between the two is that usenet is
supposedly a dying thing, while FB is the New Big Thing. As such, its
being actively targeted by data-miners, identity-thieves and other
unscrupulous types. I think its wise to be even more cautious with
privacy and security settings on FB than on usenet (where we should
still be cautious). Caution can't guarantee security, but that doesn't
mean folks should be lax. Relying on 'security through being lost in
the crowd' is silly; we represent a very small and comparatively very
rich segment of the FB crowd...there are people who are looking to
find info from folks like us.

Google 'Facebook security' and read about it. This is a much-discussed
theme these days, and FB is pretty much the biggest culprit. Their
default setting is the LOWEST security level, and you have to go to at
least three separate sites to increase your security settings. Most
users don't even fully understand what the settings even mean, let
alone where they all are.



You are absolutely correct that there are scads of people looking to exploit
folks all over the internet. FB-mining, USENET, Nigerian scams, phishing,
etc. are what make the criminal world go 'round in the age of technology. FB
is probably (?) the current target-in-vogue among today's scumbag, but that
will likely change in the not-too-distant future. You are also correct that
FB is not exactly security-conscious. They are in business to sell your
information to advertisers (sort of, anyway) and in order to do so, that
information has to be accessible and exploitable.

All I'm saying is that whether it be FB, USENET, the old WELL, or wherever,
all that you post must be considered public. Emails get out, emails get sent
to the wrong address (even accidentally posted here from time to time),
laptops get lost/stolen, hackers get into places they shouldn't, some idiot
somewhere goofs, whatever. Assume it will be broadcasted all over the world
if you post it, and then, post accordingly. People who don't understand that
are setting themselves up for a lot of potential trouble. Other than SSL or
similar, relying on security/privacy settings is like drinking whisky when
it's cold outside -- feels good, but really accomplishes little.

-Dan
(who is about to leave for a weekend of just that -- and I don't care if the
whisky really accomplishes little.)

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On Jan 9, 12:06*am, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:
"riverman" wrote...

On Jan 8, 10:28 pm, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect
to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans)
must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)

True that everything in FB (or ROFF) should always be considered
public. But one huge difference between the two is that usenet is
supposedly a dying thing, while FB is the New Big Thing. As such, its
being actively targeted by data-miners, identity-thieves and other
unscrupulous types. I think its wise to be even more cautious with
privacy and security settings on FB than on usenet (where we should
still be cautious). Caution can't guarantee security, but that doesn't
mean folks should be lax. Relying on 'security through being lost in
the crowd' is silly; we represent a very small and comparatively very
rich segment of the FB crowd...there are people who are looking to
find info from folks like us.

Google 'Facebook security' and read about it. This is a much-discussed
theme these days, and FB is pretty much the biggest culprit. Their
default setting is the LOWEST security level, and you have to go to at
least three separate sites to increase your security settings. Most
users don't even fully understand what the settings even mean, let
alone where they all are.

You are absolutely correct that there are scads of people looking to exploit
folks all over the internet. FB-mining, USENET, Nigerian scams, phishing,
etc. are what make the criminal world go 'round in the age of technology. FB
is probably (?) the current target-in-vogue among today's scumbag, but that
will likely change in the not-too-distant future. You are also correct that
FB is not exactly security-conscious. They are in business to sell your
information to advertisers (sort of, anyway) and in order to do so, that
information has to be accessible and exploitable.

All I'm saying is that whether it be FB, USENET, the old WELL, or wherever,
all that you post must be considered public. Emails get out, emails get sent
to the wrong address (even accidentally posted here from time to time),
laptops get lost/stolen, hackers get into places they shouldn't, some idiot
somewhere goofs, whatever. Assume it will be broadcasted all over the world
if you post it, and then, post accordingly. People who don't understand that
are setting themselves up for a lot of potential trouble. Other than SSL or
similar, relying on security/privacy settings is like drinking whisky when
it's cold outside -- feels good, but really accomplishes little.

-Dan
(who is about to leave for a weekend of just that -- and I don't care if the
whisky really accomplishes little.)

It sounds like we are in complete agreement. But what is your stance
on making FB-roff a 'closed' site, accessible only to members (while
anyone can become a member by being invited by a current member)?

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote ...

[...]

It sounds like we are in complete agreement. But what is your stance
on making FB-roff a 'closed' site, accessible only to members (while
anyone can become a member by being invited by a current member)?


Don't know if I've been around long enough to attempt to make dogma... but
that sure seems reasonable to me.

-Dan
(Hasta Lunes. Watch out steelies)

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"riverman" wrote

accessible only to members


I feel so left out and lonely :-(

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Larry L wrote:
"riverman" wrote
accessible only to members

I feel so left out and lonely :-(

No need for all that, apparently I've already invited you
to become a member. I haven't figured out how I did it yet
but I think I'll just leave it alone.

Call me Mr. Sociable. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote

but I think I'll just leave it alone.



(Blush) Gosh Ken, wow


Um, I went back to my newly created page and see nothing ...yet ... about
your invitation

BUT,

they sure are making a gallant effort to 'target' ads towards the tiny bit
of info I provided

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Myron

I would not want to see you leave so I will defer to your wishes as I
really don't care about securuity settings so much - and lets hope that all
of all the others will do the same
We can still invite friennds to join and also some on ROFF
I could not get any more spam than i aready get
I get about 20 a day to extend the size of my penis

Fred

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 9:28 am, "Daniel-San" (Rot13)
wrote:
"riverman" wrote ...

FB roffians:
There is a thread on the FB roff site you should take a quick look
at.

I've been on FB for a few (6?) months now. I've learned that much like on
USENET, there is no real privacy on FB. There are a few ways to minimize
"exposure" but all is discoverable. Google "facebook hacks" to see what a
moderately-determined person can find.

In the FB thread, a couple people have brought up concerns about people
seeing posts that, while pedestrian by roffian standards, may appear
incriminating to a less discerning audience. True enough that the
potential
for exposure exists, but so does it here. It's really no different. Unless
you sockpuppet yourself here or have somehow magically managed to keep
your
"real" name from ever being included (unlikely -- I tried and failed), if
someone wants to find what you've written, it's not too hard.

On the upside to USENET, not many people know of its existence, let alone
know how to access it. While that may give a facade of privacy, Google
does
not exclude USENET posts from its search results, making the separation
much
like the emperor's new clothes.

I'm not saying that it's not smart to have privacy concerns with respect
to
FB exposure, just that there is little difference between FB and ROFF.
Everything on the internet (or, "series of tubes" for the Stevens fans)
must
always be considered public.

-Dan
(who is leaving in a couple hours to chase steelies on the PM. Gonna be a
cold weekend.)

I tried a few times to find the ROFF group on FB. Can you help me? I
am a novice and have only posted here a few times recently.



I can't find it either

john

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I could not get any more spam than i aready get
I get about 20 a day to extend the size of my penis

I don't get that any more since I'm in the "after" ads.
Frank Reid

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote


Call me Mr. Sociable. ;-)




I never got an invite. You must have invited the only other Larry
Linthicum on FB .... he's also from California .. no connection

I found the ROFF group and snuck in uninvited ... hope that isn't the thing
Myron feared most

Thus far I've found that FBroff detracts from this ROFF, for me, in a way I
find interesting.

Since I've never met any of you here, much of my pleasure in the place is
similar to forming a mental picture of characters in a novel. Seeing
the photos on FBroff is much like going to the movie based on that novel and
feeling the casting director did a crappy job G ...... few seem to have a
visual image that matches the one I've conjured up.

Being a 'loner,' I've semi intentionally avoided posting any pictures with
me, even on my website. Looking at the one I put on FB, I don't look
nearly as grumpy, old, and curmudgeony as I really am G ..... ah well

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"asadi" wrote

I can't find it either



search groups for 'ROFF' from your home page ... worked for me

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On 9-Jan-2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Reid_=A9_2008?=
wrote:

I could not get any more spam than i aready get
I get about 20 a day to extend the size of my penis

I don't get that any more since I'm in the "after" ads.
Frank Reid

Izzat you???
Wow
I am impressed
How can you keep that monster in. check?

Fred

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On Jan 10, 1:21*am, "Larry L" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote



Call me Mr. Sociable. ;-)

I never got an invite. * *You must have invited the only other Larry
Linthicum on FB .... he's also from California .. no connection

I found the ROFF group and snuck in uninvited ... hope that isn't the thing
Myron feared most



LOL. This whole 'invite' think is creeping up on epic humor, and I'm
the only one enjoying it. That aside comment about Ken inviting folks
was absolutely random...had nothing to do with anything and there was
no precedent behind it. Just tossing Ken's name into the fray for no
reason whatsoever. Funny to watch him get that big-eyed "who me?"
innocent face about it, and stumble around in confusion about it for a
few days, then see it spread to you. I suspect in a few days, everyone
on ROFF would be pelting Ken for invites to something or other... lol

In any case, I'm not worried about uninvites being on FB-roff; the
more the merrier. I just don't want the search and spambots to be
given tacit approval to do anything with my personal site (pictures,
posts, etc) by default because I'm a member of an open group. There
are enough weirdnesses with FB security settings that I don't trust
this particular one.

And merely not giving FB any info does not protect you. Pictures of
you that OTHERS post become part of the mix, and you have no control
over that. FB also recently had an application that monitored your
computer for Amazon.com and eBay purchases, and let your friends see
what you had recently purchased! You only had about 20 seconds to opt-
out of this before it was installed, then you lost the option of
deleting it forever. It raised a huge furor online before FB removed
it: people saw it as only being a heartbeat away from FB posting your
recent website search histories, and sites you frequent.

I have to be especially paranoid about identity theft: those who know
my lifestyle (folks who have lived internationally like JR, etc)
understand. I am the ultimate guardian of my own security, so my
preference is not to be on an open group. But I'll be around, and
lurking on FB-roff, and posting if I can figure out how to do it as a
non-member.

--riverman

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On Jan 10, 2:46*am, "Fred" wrote:
On *9-Jan-2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Reid_=A9_2008?=
wrote:

I could not get any more spam than i aready get
I get about 20 a day to extend the size of my penis

I don't get that any more since I'm in the "after" ads.
Frank Reid

Izzat you???
Wow
I am impressed
How can you keep that monster in. check?

Fred

He often falls on it.

--riverman

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riverman wrote:
On Jan 10, 2:46 am, "Fred" wrote:
On 9-Jan-2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Reid_=A9_2008?=
wrote:

I could not get any more spam than i aready get
I get about 20 a day to extend the size of my penis

I don't get that any more since I'm in the "after" ads.
Frank Reid

Izzat you???
Wow
I am impressed
How can you keep that monster in. check?

He often falls on it.

Oh, now *that's* funny!
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"riverman" wrote


snip I have to be especially paranoid snip
--riverman


I don't have to be, but I am. Not so much identity theft as simple
privacy. What we put on the 'Net gets spread around more than some might
think. A few years ago at a shop I'd never been to before the owner
recognized my name on the credit slip and asked if I "was on the Internet a
lot." Turns out he was a ROFF lurker. I felt thoroughly embarrassed to
be associated with this place g ... as the only thing known about me.

He and I have become friends since than and hopefully the bad taste that
start must have given him has been largely forgotten


Larry L ( who is now waiting for the deluge of nasty attacks telling me how
loving and high class ROFF really is ;-)

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On Jan 10, 11:41*am, "Larry L" wrote:
A few years ago at a shop I'd never been to before the owner
recognized my name on the credit slip and asked if I "was on the Internet a
lot." * *Turns out he was a ROFF lurker. * *I felt thoroughly embarrassed to
be associated with this place g *... as the only thing known about me..

My only such experience was the opposite. I introduced myself to
another ffer on a stream as I was giving him a couple shad flies. He
recognized my name from ROFF as the guy who had posted the recipe &
pix (on abpf). It was actually kinda cool.

Joe F.

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"rb608" wrote in message
...
On Jan 10, 11:41 am, "Larry L" wrote:
A few years ago at a shop I'd never been to before the owner
recognized my name on the credit slip and asked if I "was on the Internet
a
lot." Turns out he was a ROFF lurker. I felt thoroughly embarrassed to
be associated with this place g ... as the only thing known about me.

My only such experience was the opposite. I introduced myself to
another ffer on a stream as I was giving him a couple shad flies. He
recognized my name from ROFF as the guy who had posted the recipe &
pix (on abpf). It was actually kinda cool.

Joe F.


I've had a few other 'Net fly fisher' meetings, where I recognized the other
guy from posts or he asked if I was on a given board ( never ROFF ).
They were fine but I didn't find that being a 'Net guy' added anything to
the conversation.

Let me point out that in the situation I posted before it was ME that
decided to feel embarrassed, the other guy didn't say anything directly
negative about ROFF. This place offers some good things, and not just
fishing related ( I often post FFing questions/ comments with the lurkers in
mind .... not because I don't think I know the answer or that regulars give
a **** ) ..... actually ..... mainly other stuff is more why I'm here. (
including Winter boredom )

But when one or more of the well known locals finds his medication failing
him ( or is over 'medicated' ) frequenting the place is nothing to be proud
about.

I fish in part to get away from TV, radio, Internet and human social
posturing. That is the major reason I've never seriously considered a
'clave' ... the 'fishing with' sounds fine and I'm certain most of you are
better anglers than myself and I could learn a lot. But, listening to
talk about what an ass ( pick your favorite ;-) is on ROFF would mostly
ruin a day that is too precious to risk, a day out with Nature.

As I mentioned elsewhere recently I'd like to 'network' with some FFers and
use the Internet to share info on what's hot, what's not, where to park a
travel trailer for cheap etc and get together sometimes in person to BS.
But this media seems to bring out the worst in most people, from time to
time ( I first came to UseNet in '95 and have had my own domains since '96
including trying to create a 'community participation' site, before such
things existed, for retriever sports people ... I ended up shutting it down
because of the flaming asshole minority). After a flame session MY
desire to spend face to face time with the principals declines to zero.

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"riverman" wrote in message
...
FB roffians:
There is a thread on the FB roff site you should take a quick look
at.

--riverman


Hi Guys,

I've been lurking on ROFF for several years rather than being a regular
poster/contributor. I asked some questions on here about flyfishing
equipment to buy for my trip to Cuba a couple of years back. I'm in the UK
so it was OK for me to go to Cuba and spend money unlike, it would seem, a
number of you on here ;o).

Anyhow, I've joined the FB group as some of you may have already seen. WRT
security, what you put in about yourself and level of detail in your profile
is really up to you, but there are some settings which I've been looking at
which 'may' help those with concerns. I've not tried them out yet but here's
a bit of info that may help as to what people can see if they add people as
Friends:

Go to the Settings bit on the top of your FB page and select drop down to
Privacy settings

Here you can set individual things your Friends can see

For example, where it says Profile, you can click and drop down all the
areas in your FB Profile which Friends can see, select Customize in the
fields required to be changed. Agian, for example, you can select 'Only
Friends' or 'Customize' where you will then get another window where you can
then select 'Only Friends' plus 'Except these people'. You then type in
those Friends who you don't want to see this specific field information.

4. Once changed and saved, you can then select at the top of the page how a
Friend can see your page by typing in the friends name. So, you 'should' be
able to configure and check want some Friends can see over others.

I'm not a Guru on FB, indeed, I'm learning like the rest of you and there
may well be other security issues regarding hacking data etc. This is just
me checking out some of the settings and as I said, I've not tried them yet.

Regards,

--
Andy

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Andy Lawson wrote:
Hi Guys,

I've been lurking on ROFF for several years rather than being a regular
poster/contributor. I asked some questions on here about flyfishing
equipment to buy for my trip to Cuba a couple of years back. I'm in the UK
so it was OK for me to go to Cuba and spend money unlike, it would seem, a
number of you on here ;o).
......
Anyhow, I've joined the FB group as some of you may have already seen. WRT
security, what you put in about yourself and level of detail in your profile
is really up to you, but there are some settings which I've been looking at
which 'may' help those with concerns. I've not tried them out yet but here's
a bit of info that may help as to what people can see if they add people as
Friends:
......

Thanks, Andy. Welcome to ROFF (and the FB annex, too, I guess).

There's a bewildering array of different security thingies you can jiggle
on FB. I pretty much started with every security setting I could find
tamped down as tight as possible, then relaxed them one by one as (I
thought) I understood the implications.....

Anyway, if my identity gets stolen and all my bank accounts (such as they
are) get emptied, I plan to blame Frank and show up on his doorstep with a
sleeping bag....

- JR (John Russell on FB)

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In article , JR
writes
Andy Lawson wrote:
Hi Guys,
I've been lurking on ROFF for several years rather than being a
regular poster/contributor. I asked some questions on here about
flyfishing equipment to buy for my trip to Cuba a couple of years
back. I'm in the UK so it was OK for me to go to Cuba and spend money
unlike, it would seem, a number of you on here ;o).
......
Anyhow, I've joined the FB group as some of you may have already
seen. WRT security, what you put in about yourself and level of
detail in your profile is really up to you, but there are some
settings which I've been looking at which 'may' help those with
concerns. I've not tried them out yet but here's a bit of info that
may help as to what people can see if they add people as Friends:
......

Thanks, Andy. Welcome to ROFF (and the FB annex, too, I guess).

There's a bewildering array of different security thingies you can jiggle
on FB. I pretty much started with every security setting I could find
tamped down as tight as possible, then relaxed them one by one as (I
thought) I understood the implications.....

Anyway, if my identity gets stolen and all my bank accounts (such as they
are) get emptied, I plan to blame Frank and show up on his doorstep with a
sleeping bag....

- JR (John Russell on FB)



If you want to see what this handsome chap looks like go to my site:

www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

Follow the Brenig 2001 link and look at the page for Saturday. There's
picture of Andy with a fine 4.5 lbs Rainbow.

This was on our (URFG) equivalent to your 'claves. It took place in
North Wales on the Brenig Reservoir. we were crap ff'rs but great
'clavers.
--
Bill Grey

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JR wrote:
Andy Lawson wrote:
Hi Guys,

I've been lurking on ROFF for several years rather than being a
regular poster/contributor. I asked some questions on here about
flyfishing equipment to buy for my trip to Cuba a couple of years
back. I'm in the UK so it was OK for me to go to Cuba and spend money
unlike, it would seem, a number of you on here ;o).
......
Anyhow, I've joined the FB group as some of you may have already seen.
WRT security, what you put in about yourself and level of detail in
your profile is really up to you, but there are some settings which
I've been looking at which 'may' help those with concerns. I've not
tried them out yet but here's a bit of info that may help as to what
people can see if they add people as Friends:
......

Thanks, Andy. Welcome to ROFF (and the FB annex, too, I guess).

There's a bewildering array of different security thingies you can jiggle
on FB. I pretty much started with every security setting I could find
tamped down as tight as possible, then relaxed them one by one as (I
thought) I understood the implications.....

Anyway, if my identity gets stolen and all my bank accounts (such as they
are) get emptied, I plan to blame Frank and show up on his doorstep with a
sleeping bag....

- JR (John Russell on FB)



damn john...if you're lookin for a calamity, i'd suggest you seek out
pamlico jim. at least you'll die from some event in which you've been a
participant (though jim doesn't really allow many choices), rather than
from some accident you'd never anticipate happening. hell, i merely
attended a penns creek gathering...was warned frank was near... and,
before i ever saw him i suffered several bad falls in and around the
creek. i'd never attempt a sit on his doorstep... at least with jim,
the "invisibles" won't be a problem... charon has an open seat for all
of jim's acquaintances, paid in full.

jeff

jeff (been there and back...still here to tell of it)

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On Jan 12, 7:50*pm, jeff wrote:
damn john...if you're lookin for a calamity, i'd suggest you seek out
pamlico jim. *

Well there's a personage I haven't heard much of lately. It's not
like PJ & I were ever close friends, or even distant acquaintances
beyond his appreciation for my Wild Turkey Rare Breed a long while
back; but it's been a while since a good PJ tale.

Joe F.

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rb608 wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:50 pm, jeff wrote:
damn john...if you're lookin for a calamity, i'd suggest you seek out
pamlico jim.

Well there's a personage I haven't heard much of lately. It's not
like PJ & I were ever close friends, or even distant acquaintances
beyond his appreciation for my Wild Turkey Rare Breed a long while
back; but it's been a while since a good PJ tale.

Joe F.

he's semi-retired and collecting social security. however, he still
travels (though it's more of a shuffle now) those places where the
reaper's scythe can slice by at any time.

jeff

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Wasn't it "W. D. Grey" who wrote:

If you want to see what this handsome chap looks like go to my site:

www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

Follow the Brenig 2001 link and look at the page for Saturday. There's
picture of Andy with a fine 4.5 lbs Rainbow.

I'd almost forgotten about that one.... sheesh it was a hard and long day
for 2 fish and the worse part is, that's not the worst trip we've had! We've
been several times now and as a yearly event, had good weather, bad weather
and nil catches but we still seem willing to go back for more.


This was on our (URFG) equivalent to your 'claves. It took place in North
Wales on the Brenig Reservoir. we were crap ff'rs

Hey! I'll have you know I can thrash the water into a foam as good as the
next guy! ;o)

but great 'clavers.

heh... agreed. Do you recall the fishing & camping experience a few years
back? Different venue, but same sort of results. We all brought standard
single or 2 berth tents while Dave had brought his large 8 or 10 berth
family tent and we were all socialising in there one evening. We had a
mosquito coil burning INSIDE and with the doors/flaps closed, drinking beer,
barbeque on the go outside, billions of biting midges, drinking beer and
funny smelling tobacco wafting around with the anti mosquito smoke (did I
mention drinking beer?) Well... we didn't manage to kill ourselves but I
reckon a few of the ol' brain cells may have gone! ;o)

ATB

--
Andy

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On Jan 15, 12:59*pm, "Andy Lawson" wrote:
Wasn't it "W. D. Grey" who wrote:

If you want to see what this handsome chap looks like go to my site:

www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

Follow the Brenig 2001 link and look at the page for Saturday. *There's
picture of Andy with a fine 4.5 lbs Rainbow.

I'd almost forgotten about that one.... sheesh it was a hard and long day
for 2 fish and the worse part is, that's not the worst trip we've had! We've
been several times now and as a yearly event, had good weather, bad weather
and nil catches but we still seem willing to go back for more.



This was on our (URFG) equivalent to your 'claves. It took place in North
Wales on the Brenig Reservoir. *we were crap ff'rs

Hey! I'll have you know I can thrash the water into a foam as good as the
next guy! ;o)

but great 'clavers.

heh... agreed. Do you recall the fishing & camping experience a few years
back? Different venue, but same sort of results. We all brought standard
single or 2 berth tents while Dave had brought his large 8 or 10 berth
family tent and we were all socialising in there one evening. We had a
mosquito coil burning INSIDE and with the doors/flaps closed, drinking beer,
barbeque on the go outside, billions of biting midges, drinking beer and
funny smelling tobacco wafting around with the anti mosquito smoke (did I
mention drinking beer?) Well... we didn't manage to kill ourselves but I
reckon a few of the ol' brain cells may have gone! ;o)

This side of the pond, we have found out that killing off those brain
cells makes you smarter:
Well ya see, Norm, it’s like this… A herd of buffalo can only move as
fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the
slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This
natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general
speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular
killing of the weakest members.

“In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the
slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills
brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain
cells first.

“In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain
cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That’s
why you always feel smarter after a few beers.”

Frank Reid

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In article , Andy Lawson
writes
but great 'clavers.

heh... agreed. Do you recall the fishing & camping experience a few years
back? Different venue, but same sort of results. We all brought standard
single or 2 berth tents while Dave had brought his large 8 or 10 berth
family tent and we were all socialising in there one evening. We had a
mosquito coil burning INSIDE and with the doors/flaps closed, drinking beer,
barbeque on the go outside, billions of biting midges, drinking beer and
funny smelling tobacco wafting around with the anti mosquito smoke (did I
mention drinking beer?) Well... we didn't manage to kill ourselves but I
reckon a few of the ol' brain cells may have gone! ;o)

ATB

Yes Andy I remember it well. What a fabulous " conference" tent Dave
brought! Our American friends don't rough it as we did - and I envy
them their cabin comforts. Our little one man tents would have been far
less sociable - Dave's 6 berth tent /made/.the week end.

Spare ribs black and burnt never tasted better.
--
Bill Grey

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:37:54 -0800 (PST), rb608
wrote:

On Jan 12, 7:50*pm, jeff wrote:
damn john...if you're lookin for a calamity, i'd suggest you seek out
pamlico jim. *

Well there's a personage I haven't heard much of lately. It's not
like PJ & I were ever close friends, or even distant acquaintances
beyond his appreciation for my Wild Turkey Rare Breed a long while
back; but it's been a while since a good PJ tale.

Joe F.

Remember the one at Wally's Spring Fling where PJ walked several miles
into a remote mountain stream with a rod borrowed from the Boy Lawyer?

Upon arriving at the stream, PJ took one cast and the rod folded like
it had a hinge in the butt section. In fact it *did* have a hinge in
the butt section as demonstrated by PJ trying to cast off of the rear
porch at Clave Central. Never saw a rod break like that.

Dave

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On Jan 19, 3:54*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Remember the one at Wally's Spring Fling where PJ walked several miles
into a remote mountain stream with a rod borrowed from the Boy Lawyer?


:-)