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In an effort to figure out more about who you are, I did some
googling, and got a sense of your posting history, etc. I know I said in another thread that I'm embarassed to be a member of the same newsgroup as you, but I want to take that back. You've got a long posting history here, and certainly not everything about you is as repulsive as your political posts. I get the big picture....you're a self-employed businessman, two daughters, raise llamas, like to flyfish, live in a nice part of Colorado....its a pretty real profile and all in all, you sound like a pretty reasonable guy. We've talked online in the past and it was cordial and constructive. But this vileness about Obama and the new administration is really out of character, and you know that it has caused you grief in the past. You probably let it bounce right off you, but if you're the type of guy who likes to rile people up just to watch them spin, then that's a pretty low form of character. Also, you have to be mature enough to realize that your opinions on Obama ARE purely based on Islamophobia, not on anything of real substance. If you know that and don't care, than that's an even lower form of character. I'm going to have to distinguish between to two sides of you; the racially-biased, deliberately irritating, immature bigot; and the rest of you, which seems like a fairly everyday kind of guy who I could imagine sharing a beer with streamside. I'm not the roff net-nanny, but I do try to get along with folks here and I've been slipping out of character in the past few days with you. I apologize and will try to refrain from this in the future, but I implore you to do some soul-searching. I would hope that you would not want to indoctrinate your daughters with that type of bigotry, nor would you be especially proud to let them see you in that light. The fact that several people over the years have identified this in you gives the accusation more legitimacy. I've travelled the world extensively, and can say without reservation that the thing that makes America great is NOT that we are a well- balanced, tolerant society, but that we ASPIRE to be one. You have a personal choice here...work on yourself and your prejudices and be treated as someone who is imperfect (as we all are) but aspiring to improve (as intelligent people do), or else continue to be immature and divisive, and slowly destroy relationships you have built here. Myron |
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"riverman" wrote in message ... well put, Myron. I suppose that I, too, have gotten more aggressive than normal with beancounter, insofar as calling him a coward. Still, I can't help but think that the man is ducking my very simple question(what is it that you feel makes Obama unacceptable?), and has done so for several days now. It is sad to think that he could instill this sort of xenophobia in his kids, as you mention. As I have stated, one of my few solid wishes for the Obama presidency is an end to divisive, scare-tactic politics(or at least a great lessening of same). I am heartened by the transition period insofar as that process is concerned. Finally, along the other thread, Rich seems to imply that supporters of Obama are not tolerant of those who criticize him. He would do well to note who started that thread, complaining about Geitner.....me, who worked for several months here in PA to get Obama elected. Tom |
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no hard feelings.....I am convinced barrack hussein obama
is not the right person for this job in todays environment...time will tell, he is elected fair and square, so...lets "see what he's got" america has a history of taking care of "bad seeds", if this turns out to be the situation....i would never vote for him, but the rest of my family did...so be it......."water under the bridge"...don't come back whining to me in 3 years though...... cheers On Jan 18, 5:49*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote: "riverman" wrote in message ... well put, Myron. I suppose that I, too, have gotten more aggressive than normal with beancounter, insofar as calling him a coward. Still, I can't help but think that the man is ducking my very simple question(what is it that you feel makes Obama unacceptable?), and has done so for several days now. It is sad to think that he could instill this sort of xenophobia in his kids, as you mention. As I have stated, one of my few solid wishes for the Obama presidency is an end to divisive, scare-tactic politics(or at least a great lessening of same). I am heartened by the transition period insofar as that process is concerned. Finally, along the other thread, Rich seems to imply that supporters of Obama are not tolerant of those who criticize him. He would do well to note who started that thread, complaining about Geitner.....me, who worked for several months here in PA to get Obama elected. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom |
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On Jan 18, 1:04*am, riverman wrote:
I'm going to have to distinguish between to two sides of you; the racially-biased, deliberately irritating, immature bigot; and the rest of you, which seems like a fairly everyday kind of guy who I could imagine sharing a beer with streamside. It is, I agree, sometimes difficult to draw the line when friendship must give way to principle. I have a friend, good guy, with whom I can discuss a great many subjects. We don't agree on everything (he's a conservative and Giants fan for cryin out loud), but we get along great. I was chagrined recently to find he's quite a bit more of a racist than I'd known, quite objectionably so, in fact. This came to light, of course, during the presidential campaign. Like beancounter, he had an unexplainable hatred for BHO, and subsequent comments made it clear that race played a part in that. Still, the guy's a friend of many years, and I'm not turning my back on him; but I do envision our contacts being less frequent. Joe F. |
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i wouldn't vote for hussein if he was polka-dotted......i am
not racist...i am an equal opportunity offender...no race is off limits to me.....including mine....hussein was the 1st to bring up race...i wonder why?........ On Jan 18, 8:55*am, rb608 wrote: On Jan 18, 1:04*am, riverman wrote: I'm going to have to distinguish between to two sides of you; the racially-biased, deliberately irritating, immature bigot; and the rest of you, which seems like a fairly everyday kind of guy who I could imagine sharing a beer with streamside. It is, I agree, sometimes difficult to draw the line when friendship must give way to principle. *I have a friend, good guy, with whom I can discuss a great many subjects. *We don't agree on everything (he's a conservative and Giants fan for cryin out loud), but we get along great. *I was chagrined recently to find he's quite a bit more of a racist than I'd known, quite objectionably so, in fact. *This came to light, of course, during the presidential campaign. *Like beancounter, he had an unexplainable hatred for BHO, and subsequent comments made it clear that race played a part in that. *Still, the guy's a friend of many years, and I'm not turning my back on him; but I do envision our contacts being less frequent. Joe F. |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
no hard feelings.....I am convinced barrack hussein obama is not the right person for this job in todays environment... There's nothing wrong with believing he's not the right person for the job. The trouble begins when you're asked *why* he's not the right person for the job and the only reason you can come up with is that his ethnicity matches his middle name. That's racist. And disgusting. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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i wouldn't vote for hussein if he was polka-dotted...... Why ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I don't have the time or desire to educate folks
on a web site...do your own research...3/4 of my black friends (wich are many) are also not supporting hussein either....no biggie...... I have my (many) reasons for not voting 4 him......race is not one of them....i also don't feel "guilty" toward black folks and therefore obligated to vote for a black person just cause of his skin color.......that's also a form of racisim, "with a twist" .... Having lived in many country's around the world, being a proud US Navy (uss ranger cva-61) and viet-nam vet... I have "hung" with many different races, colors, folks, etc...... no big deal...... I am now off to Rocky Mnt Nat'l Park to hike and enjoy some "family time" now ... gota go ........ out..... On Jan 18, 10:11*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: no hard feelings.....I am convinced barrack hussein obama is not the right person for this job in todays environment... There's nothing wrong with believing he's not the right person for the job. The trouble begins when you're asked *why* he's not the right person for the job and the only reason you can come up with is that his ethnicity matches his middle name. That's racist. And disgusting. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Jan 18, 12:47*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site...do your own research... I daresay most of us *have* done our own research and supported our respective candidates based on what we learned through myriad sources throughout the campaign. That's not the question. The question on the table is why *you* clearly do not like him and feel compelled to refer to him by his middle name as though that heritage were a negative in and of itself. There's no way we can research that . So...why? Joe F. |
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Yea, right...I will NEVER forget who the ass wipes
were that attacked out country.......pearl harbor. 911, etc........I have a long memory..... Screw anyone who tries to ram their religion down my throat.....or anyone I know (or care) about..... On Jan 18, 11:08*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
Yea, right...I will NEVER forget who the ass wipes were that attacked out country.......pearl harbor. 911, etc........I have a long memory..... A long memory and **** for brains. The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: Yea, right...I will NEVER forget who the ass wipes were that attacked out country.......pearl harbor. 911, etc........I have a long memory..... A long memory and **** for brains. The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? Actually, the Americans started the war of 1812 by attacking Canada. But your point is still valid. Tim Lysyk |
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"rb608" wrote in message ... The question on the table is why *you* clearly do not like him and feel compelled to refer to him by his middle name as though that heritage were a negative in and of itself. There's no way we can research that . So...why? lots of luck.....I've been asking him for days to spell it out, yet he cannot find the courage of his convictions with which to answer. Tom |
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Tim Lysyk wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: ... The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? Actually, the Americans started the war of 1812 by attacking Canada. The Brits started the war by impressing into their navy U.S. citizens on the high seas and illegally restricting American trade with France. Not to mention arming the natives who were fighting the U.S. at the time. Apparently your Canadian history books are biased. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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In article , Ken
Fortenberry wrote: A long memory and **** for brains. The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? The Brits didn't attack us in 1812. We attacked the Brits because they were supporting the American Indians. The one clear outcome of the war, after the Battle of the Thames, was the subjugation of the Indians and the advancement of the genocide by us of the indigenous people of America which is continuing to this day. (And Geoffrey Howe was the English Chancellor of the Exchequer who most of all supported Thatcherite moneterist policies and helped to get us into the economic sewer we're in now). Lazarus |
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well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that....
" And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate " On Jan 18, 11:08*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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reason # 1 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein
obama...other than race 1) he lied about his campaing financing On Jan 18, 4:31*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that.... " And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate " On Jan 18, 11:08*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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reason # 2 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein obama...other than race 2) he was quick and fast to bring up race in the election On Jan 18, 4:31*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that.... " And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate " On Jan 18, 11:08*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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4.Because in a culture that overuses the word “hero” (among many others) pretty gratuitously, Mac is the real thing. 5.Mac can keep things in perspective. Age’ll give you perspective. 6.So will five and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton. 7.Because the various tyrants of the world see Barack Obama, and they think “How Sweet. Fresh Meat”. 8.Because France, Canada and Germany have both elected more- conservative leaders since 2004; for once, they have a point. 9.I’m not going to say “Bin Laden Endorses Obama” - but when Bin Laden goes to sleep at night, who do you think he dreams will have his head stuffed and mounted above the fireplace in the East Wing? 10.Even if Bin Laden doesn’t think Mac’ll do it, he’s gotta have visions of Sarah, Todd and Track Palin snowshoeing across the Hindu Kush, finding, shooting and stuffing him. 11.Because while abortion has never been the sine qua non of politics for me, it matters. 12.And at the end of the day, Obama is pro-choice. 13.And Biden is worse - a pro-choice Catholic. 14.Because partial-birth abortion is inexcusable, and still Obama excuses it (and I’ve heard Biden say not a thing about it). 15.Because as bad as Bush was on spending, Obama will be much, much worse… 16.…and “balancing the budget” with tax hikes is economic suicide. 17.For the good of the party, the GOP needs to return to fiscal conservatism. Whatever Mac’s other sins, he’s got a much better claim to that than does Obama. 18.Or Bush, for that matter. 19.What I said in 17 about “the good of the party”? The same goes tenfold for the nation. 20.Because the words “Chicago Democrat” mean something. 21.Because that something is worse than “Minnesota Liberal”, which itself is a horror to behold. 22.Because I work hard for my money. 23.Raising taxes kills jobs. Including mine. 24.Because Hollywood is getting the vapors for Obama. 25.Because a lot of bigots and racists want to think I’m a bigot and racist for not voting for Obama. 26.Because the 3AM Phone Call is a real thing - moreso in our world today than fifteen years ago, even. 27.And Obama has shown us no evidence that he’s ready to take that call… 28.…or do much of anything else. 29.Because Obama has voted “Present” in the Senate over 100 times. 30.Because Obama has spent less time in the Senate… 31.…than Mac spent in the Hanoi Hilton. Yes, Mr. Messiah, sir, experience counts. 32.Because while I believe Obama isn’t a bad person, his presidency will grant sweeping power to the Pelosi/Reid Congress, perhaps the most depraved pack of hacks ever to wield political power in the history of this country. 33.No, I mean the most depraved pack of hacks, just like I wrote it. The post-Watergate Democrats were at least largely people with their nation’s best interests at heart; many were WWII and Korea veterans, people for whom the flag meant something. If you’re to the right of Jane Fonda, the Reid-Pelosi Axis of Weasels should make your skin crawl. 34.Because Sarah Palin, as relatively new to politics as she may be, is vastly more qualified to lead the most powerful nation on earth than Barack Obama is. 35.Because having Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency scares me a lot more than having Sarah Palin there. 36.Because having Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency scares me more than having Courtney Love, Lindsay Lohan or Crispin Glover there. 37.Because Mac will extend the Bush Tax Cuts. Because… 38.…tax cuts are always good. Always. There are no exceptions. Especially if they force you to cut spending. 39.Mac may not cut spending - but he will be not nearly the spendthrift Bush was… 40.…and a year into an Obama administration, Bush will seem like a miser. 41.Because hundreds of union goons can’t be right. 42.Because, unlike millions of “people” registered by ACORN and the like, I exist, and someone needs to stand up for all of us actual humans. 43.Because all of the fictional “people” that sent anonymous (and illegal) contributions to Obama’s donations will be rendered moot by everyone who repudiates their fraud. 44.Because every vote against The One is a finger in the eye of MoveOn, George Soros (and his paid minions), Democrats.com, Media Matters, and on, and on, and on. 45.Because Mac has a lifetime A from the NRA… 46.…and Obama was for gun control, before he was against it… 47.…before, given the company he keeps (and the chits he owes), he will no doubt be for it again 48.Because too many of Obama’s supporters have been just too insufferably triumphalistic. 49.Because just enough of Obama’s supporters have pledged to do crappy, unamerican things if Obama loses… 50.…and an Obama loss will be a wonderful way to flush out what truly must be called “Unamerican” - the rejection of the votes of ones’ fellow citizens. Let us get them out into the open - indeed, let them “McCarthy-ize” themselves - so we can do something about them. 51.Because Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like a wise, cool-headed, competent statesman. 52.Because it’ll give Keith Olberman a stroke. 53.Because Chris Matthews’ leg will finally stop tingling. 54.Because I’m dying to see Katie Couric’s face the morning after. 55.Because P. Diddy and Sam I Am will stroke out. 56.Because Mac is old enough to to give a rat’s ass what people think about him… 57.…and Obama seems to need approval. 58.Because Mac blows up at people and the press… 59.…but hasn’t ever kicked anyone off his plane. 60.In spite of Because Palin is such a lightning rod for the paranoia and misogyny of the institutional left. 61.Because Sarah Palin has teenagers who’ve made her life difficult… 62.…and an infant whose very existence upholds the value of life… 63.…a fact that makes the Orthodox Left purple with rage. 64.Because while Obama might have a bracelet from a soldier whose name he can’t remember, Mac has two sons who are veterans… 65.…and a son who’s an enlisted Marine serving overseas… 66.…where Track Palin is right now. Yes, I do think having an investment in the issue will make for better, saner leadership - and certainly less palaver about, say, invading Pakistan. 67.Because while I’ve been a conservative for over 20 years, I grew up a Democrat, around enough Democrats to care what happens to the party. John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman would puke if they saw what Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and Michaal Moore had done with their party. If you’re a responsible Democrat, so should you. Help your party re- discover its real legacy by sending John Kerry back to palookaville. 68.Because Jimmy Carter endorses Obama. 69.Because the only evidence I’ve seen about Obama’s performance under pressure - his response to Georgia - makes Jimmy Carter look pretty good in comparison. 70.Also Neville Chamberlain. 71.Because I love my country more than I love the UN. 72.Because the GOP embodies confidence in this nation - something the Democrats do not. Belief that the US could be a good nation if we adopted their platform in toto, perhaps, but not confidence. 73.Also exceptionalism. America is the shining city… 74.…which is a notion that makes Obama’s most-vital supporters nauseous. 75.Because Obama, like Kerry and Algore and Carter, consistently mistakes “plans” and “summits” and “negotiation” for productive action. 76.Because as we saw in the wake of the market meltdown, Mac will put “doing the right thing” ahead of political expediency. 77.Obama wouldn’t know how. Like with Kerry and Gore, ”the right thing” changes depending on the audience he’s talking with. 78.Because I’m a “bitter, gun-clinging Jesus Freak”, and damn proud of it. 79.Because I am Joe The Plumber. 80.Because I value freedom of speech - everyone’s speech, including speech I disagree with - and an Obama Administration (and a Congress under the unfettered control of the Tics) will start with imposing the “Fairness Doctrine” to strangle conservative talk radio by fiat, and start working its way down. 81.Because you know people by their friends. And Obama’s friends include the Teachers’ Union… 82.…and the AFL-CIO… 83.…and AFSCME… 84.…and his “Mentor” Jeremiah Wright… 85.…and Bill Ayers. 86.Because Mac has one genuine skeleton in his closet - being part of the Keating Five, albeit its least consequent member - and he’s owned up to and made amends for it. 87.Becasue I survived the Carter years… 88.…and I don’t want my kids to have to do the same. Indeed, I’ve spent my entire adult life dedicated to trying to prevent that. 89.Because this nation’s “soul” is in fine shape, and doesn’t need any politician to fix it. 90.Because, as I noted (presciently?) four years ago: this country is a better place with Republicans in charge. Lower taxes, lower spending, smaller government…oops. Yeah, we conservatives have to take our party back. Guess what? It’s easier to do when you’re in office. 91.Because the Media deserves a huge, stinging rebuke for having been in the tank for the left for the past 30 years. They deserve it more now than they did four years ago. Every year, I’m more convinced that this nation’s well-being, even survival, depends on bringing the mainstream media down to size. 92.Because I supported Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson until there was nothing more to support. Mac had to earn my support. 93.And he did. 94.Because Mac is not from the coast. 95.Because Sarah Palin oozes “flyover land”. America’s “flyover land” is not only this country’s heart and soul; it’s this world’s best hope. 96.Because liberalism’s track record for setting economies on the right path is 0 wins, hundreds of losses, and (with the New Deal) one weak tie. And we need better than that. 97.Mac hasn’t forgotten the hard lessons of war. 98.Obama would have no reason to have known them… 99.…and most of his supporters actively repudiate them. 100.Because we’re at war. And Barack Obama is not only not a serious leader for a nation at war - he is indeed a criminally trivial choice. And with two kids that will both be of military age by 2012, I don’t want to learn how to co-exist with this war - I want it over. On Jan 18, 4:40*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: reason # 2 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein obama...other than race 2) he was quick and fast to bring up race in the election On Jan 18, 4:31*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that.... 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Barack Obama is a product of the corrupt Chicago political machine. He did nothing to reform it: http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2600720_2.html Barack Obama has the most liberal voting record of any other United States Senator: http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ Obama had his first political mentor Alice Palmer, thrown off the ballot in Illinois in order to take her place in the Illinois State Senate. It was Alice Palmer who introduced Obama to the domestic terrorists William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/29/23433/5727 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html Michelle Obama was appointed vice president at the University Of Chicago hospitals in 2005. In 2006, Obama requested that the University of Chicago receive $1 Million to support its construction of the new hospital pavilion: http://obamaearmarks.com/2008/09/09/...edical-center/ Citizens Against Government Waste say that Obama has an 18% rating, McCain is rated 88%. Senator Biden is rated the worst with 0%: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/cit..._on_waste_bid/ While Obama talks a lot about “crossing the aisle”. His actual record in this regard is very meager: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-bipartisan/ Barack Obama criticized Hillary Clinton for her financial ties to Wal- Mart, while conveniently failing to mention his own wife’s ties to Wal- Mart: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...crite-for-wife Obama voted “Present” 129 times as a State Senator to avoid taking a stand on controversial votes: http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...bama04.article Obama claimed credit for sponsoring legislation that was actually given to him by his mentor Illinois Senate President Emil Jones. Obama repaid Jones with $300 million of earmarks for Illinois, including tens of millions of dollars of earmarks for pet projects in Emil Jones district: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/23/224059/069 Obama claimed to “press the wrong button” six different times when confronted about controversial votes in the Illinois State Senate: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,7079399.story Obama implied he was poor and grew up on food stamps; Obama grew up mostly with his grandparents, who were upper middle-class bankers in Hawaii. Food stamps weren’t available in Hawaii until the seventies: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/w...on-food-stamps Obama threw his grandmother who raised him under the bus, comparing her attitudes to Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s racism and later calling her a “typical white person”: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...ce_card_1.html Obama removed his name from the ballot in the Michigan Democratic Primary when early polling showed he would lose by a wide margin: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/9/211753/2995 In 2007, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama signed a pledge to not campaign in Florida. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) was punishing Florida for moving the Primary to January 29. Obama broke his pledge and ran ads in Florida: http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...30668/-1/RSS01 Obama who runs as a candidate of change helped keep Chicago politics dirty by supporting the corrupt John Stroger over Forrest Claypool, a progressive reformer, for President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n28028562/pg_2 Obama changed his nuclear regulation bill to favor nuclear companies under pressure from financial supporters at Exelon, a Chicago based company helping to develop a nuclear waste facility at Yucca Mountain in Nevada: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/290/ Obama claims to not accept oil money, but in fact he has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses. Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for him: http://www.newsweek.com/id/129895 Obama claims to have no ties to lobbyists, but several registered lobbyists have raised over a million dollars for his campaign, sometimes having their wives write the check to conceal his ties to them: http://americandigest.org/mt-archive...that_obama.php Obama donor ordered Big Brother probe of Joe the Plumber - State agency director authorizes child-support check on senator's critic: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=79308 Obama Supports Union Ploy to Drop Secret Ballots: http://townhall.com/columnists/Donal...secret_ballots Barack Obama Has Been Less Than Honest With the American Public Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff: http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=9490 Obama claimed, in front of a Jewish audience, that his uncle liberated Auschwitz. American troops did not liberate Auschwitz, the Soviets did: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/27...thats-a-gaffe/ Obama claimed he was born due to 1965 Selma marches; Obama was born in 1961: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/5/201426/5656 Obama claimed the Kennedy family funded a program that brought his father over from Kenya. His father came to the United States in 1959 and the Kennedys did not fund his trip: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...onnection.html Obama has implied that his father was a poor goat-herder. In fact, Obama’s father was the privileged son of wealthy landowners: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showt...hreadid=427861 After promising to fund his campaign with only public financing, Barack Obama went back on his pledge because he found he could raise huge amounts of money on his own and exceed the public campaign finance limits: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...ic_financ.html Obama has suggested that people who don’t support him are racists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcfeToczFnM Barack Obama’s religious beliefs are not a good reason to vote against him, but failure to be honest about them is. Why can’t he tell us the truth? His mother was raised by non-practicing Christians; his father was raised a Muslim, but was an atheist by the time he had married Obama's mother. Obama's step-father was also Muslim, but of an eclectic kind who could make room for animist and Hindu beliefs. The Left apparently felt that Mitt Romney’s religious beliefs were a legitimate issue in the campaign. Why the double standard when it comes to Obama? http://atheism.about.com/od/barackob...Secularism.htm Obama as Messiah??? Obama’s followers often compare him to Jesus Christ. MSNBC reporter Chris Matthews said he gets a thrill running up his leg when he hears him speak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhnynk6XkkU Many Obama supporters say Jesus was a community organizer just like Obama was: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-fi...nizer-pilate-g Here young children sing the praises of their Dear Leader Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GExiNDBoifs Here young men, dressed in military fatigues, praise Obama as if he is a demi-god: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE Here Louis Farrakhan calls Barack Obama "the Messiah": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE This hero worship is disturbing and chilling: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...l_messiah.html Here's a lot more about how Obama is being treated as a messiah: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ Barack Obama Lacks Experience Obama spent 143 days in the Senate before he started running for President: http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/rnr/841195538.html Obama has never authored a piece of major legislation. Obama has no executive experience. He has never run a business or done a pay roll etc.. He himself has admitted that he does not have the experience to be the President of the United States: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLo...eature=related His running mate Senator Biden charged that Obama lacked the experience to be President: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknTPvH1wSg Without a teleprompter Obama is hesitant and confused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc Here is Obama claiming he’s visited 57 States: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws Barack Obama’s Alliances are Highly Questionable His wife Michelle charged that America was a mean country and said that for the first time in her adult lifetime she is proud of her country because of her husband’s campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYY73RO_egw His long time friend and mentor is Rev. Jeremiah Wright formerly the Pastor Trinity Church who said instead of God bless America, we should say God damn America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo Another mentor of Obama's is Khalid Al-Mansour. Khalid Al-Mansour is a racist and an anti-Semite. Obama claimed he never heard anti-American, anti-White speeches at his church; his own autobiography indicates he did and as he later admitted under pressu http://sweetness-light.com/archive/o...say-bad-things Obama is a friend of Father Michael Phleger a radical Catholic priest who has honored Louis Farrakhan at his Church: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigz...eature=related Barack Obama is a friend of former members of the radical Weather Underground terrorist organization William Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. They were responsible for several bombings between 1970 and 1974 the Pentagon, the Capitol and a police station in San Francisco. Ayers is quoted in the New York Times on September 11, 2001 as saying "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers helped Obama launch his Illinois State Senate career, held a fund raiser for him and the two served on the board of the Woods Fund together : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g Obama while serving on the board of the Woods Fund with Bill Ayers gave money to an Arab group that calls the establishment of Israel a "catastrophe". Rashid Khalidi is the co-founder of this group. He is a Columbia University professor and has condoned terrorist tactics by Palestinian organizations. Rashid Khalidi held a fundraiser for Obama: http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?b...60257021766714 The Los Angeles Times is currently suppressing a video of Obama praising Rashid Khalidi: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...RhZGJmMTAyOGY= Obama helped to organize the Million Man March in 1995 sponsored by the racist and anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...arch-with.html Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam support Obama for President: http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/farra.../17/65177.html Obama has had a long and close association with the radical group ACORN which has been tied to voter fraud in several states and the sub- prime mortgage crisis: Obama claims not to take money from Washington lobbyists, but he takes money from lobbyists' spouses and holds fundraisers at the offices of law firms that lobby Congress. He happily accepts huge amounts of money from executives of big oil and drug companies and many others. In fact, he's relying on two oil company executives to raise $50,000 apiece for his campaign: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/...-claims-o.html Tony Rezko is a convicted criminal and long time friend and fund- raiser for Obama. Rezko was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business. Obama claimed Rezko donated only $50,000 to him. Later, under pressure, he revealed Rezko raised more than twice that amount and also sat on his fundraising committee. When asked about his friend, Obama said, “I’ve never done any favors for him.” But evidence proved Obama had written letters to city and state officials praising Rezko’s business practices. Obama helped steer 14 million tax dollars to him: http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...bama13.article Tony Rezko helped to buy Obama’s house: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdo...hdog24.article His running mate Joe Biden has the third most liberal voting record in the Senate. He dropped out of the race for the Presidency in 1988 after he admitted to plagiarism in law school and in some of his speeches: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...m_problem.html Barack Obama campaigned for Raila Odinga, a radical Kenyan Marxist thug: http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com...-raila-odinga/ Obama has said in speeches “we are our brother’s keeper”. But his brother in Kenya lives in a hut on just $10 a year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-Kenya.html Barack Obama Advocates a Dangerous Foreign Policy The world is still a dangerous place and Barack Obama has no Foreign Policy no foreign policy experience. Rogue nations perceive Obama as weak. Weakness invites attack. Perhaps China will invade Taiwan. Maybe Iran will attack Israel or Russia will invade the Ukraine. Maybe Venezuela will stir up trouble in the Caribbean. Even his running mate Senator Joe Biden admits that the rookie President will be tested in the first six months in Office. Biden Slammed Obama for Voting Against Funding theTroops: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...den-iraq_N.htm Barack Obama falsely accused American soldiers of "air raiding villages and killing civilians.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlyjGjeZIY Obama said he would have been against the surge in Iraq anyway, even though he admits it has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEzGKQLmU4 Obama is constantly changing his position about when troops will be withdrawn from Iraq. Sometimes he favors a precipitous withdrawal. At other times he says conditions on the ground will dictate the time: http://www.ohiogop.org/spread-the-wo...-iraq-timeline Obama's inexperience would lead him to grant legitimacy and raise the stature of dictators like Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by granting them a face to face meeting without pre- conditions: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...64154241_x.htm Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Obama has made conflicting statements on Iran which is close to producing atom weaponry. Our allies fear Obama will undercut progress in negotiations due to his offer to engage in face to face talks with Iran’s President: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062101658.html Obama would fight terrorism not as a war, but as a criminal problem. This is a pre-9/11 mind set: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...EwNjg0MWEzZDc= Obama would down-size the American military during a time of war. He has pledged to dismantle our national defense systems, including development of future defense technologies leaving us vulnerable to attack: http://www.rightupfront.org/2008/02/...d-foreign.html The terrorist group Hamas supports Barack Obama: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../04/020315.php Jesse Jackson, an Obama supporter speaking in Evian France said that 'Zionists' control American foreign policy and they'll lose power in an Obama administration. Obama is taking illegal foreign donations from Palestinians. Obama is the Chairman of the Senate Europe and NATO subcommittee. He has failed to hold a single hearing: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/379/ Obama didn’t bother to visit wounded troops on his visit to Germany, instead he went to the gym: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...bama_in_g.html Barack Obama’s Policies Would Hurt the Economy Obama wants to raise taxes to "spread the wealth around". Obama’s tax policy that would take the nation back to the effective marginal tax rates of the Carter days. He has called for increases in payroll, capital gains, dividends and death taxes. He claims to only want to raise taxes on the wealthy, but this could have a devastating effect on new investment and small businesses: http://www.wsj.com/public/article_pr...825890363.html Obama would increase government spending by possibly one trillion dollars in four years: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...ding-plan.html Senator Obama voted against his own economic package. Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO) Acombed through Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) many campaign promises and compiled a list of 188 new spending proposals that he then packaged together and offered as an amendment to the Fiscal 2009 budget plan. Allard calculated that for the 111 proposals for which cost estimated were possible, Obama’s promises would cost the American taxpayer $300 billion per year and $1.4 trillion over five years. Allard released a floor statement highlighting the size of this spending package, including: The $300 billion is more than the $294 billion the U.S. spent on imported oil last year. Obama’s current tax raise proposal would cover only $225 billion over 5 years … far short of the $1.4 trillion in spending. To finance just the first year of $300 billion in spending, Congress would have to raise taxes on the top 1% of tax payers by 57%. Obama voted against his own platform and the measure was defeated 97-0. http://blog.heritage.org/2008/03/14/...-own-platform/ Obama proposes nothing new in terms of an economic plan. It’s just the old-fashioned solutions proposed by liberals for years –tax, spend and regulate that lead to economic stagnation.: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZmYmU5MWU2ZmQ= http://blog.heritage.org/2008/03/14/...-own-platform/ Franklin Raines is one of Senator Obama’s advisors on economic issues. Raines was the head of Fannie Mae which has now collapsed. Under Raines Fannie Mae committed extensive financial fraud. Raines made 25 million dollars. Now taxpayers are stuck with the bill: http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008...of-fannie-mae/ http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...onnection.html Jim Johnson, former Fannie Mae CEO was a top advisor, chosen to vet potential vice presidential nominees. In 1998, Fannie Mae’s earnings were manipulated, which resulted in "maximum payouts" to executives including Johnson who earned $1.9 Million when he otherwise would not have earned a bonus. Johnson received special loans from Countrywide Financial CEO Angelo Mozilo. Property records show Mr. Johnson has received more than $7 Million in loans from Countrywide since 1998, the first coming in the waning days of his Fannie Mae tenure. Johnson also received fees and compensation from Fannie Mae worth $3.3 Million between 2001 and 2006. He resigned, but he's now back on Obama’s campaign : http://www.barackbook.com/Profiles/JimJohnson.htm In his campaign speeches he has claimed to want to renegotiate NAFTA. At the same time he sent an advisor to Canada to reassure Canadians that this was just politics and wasn’t true: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...38038720080303 Obama will increase the capital gains tax which will discourage investment: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...larifies..html Obama's Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to His College Days: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-college-days/ Obama is opposed to renewing President Bush’s tax cuts which actually succeeded in bring more revenue into the Federal Treasury. Effectively, this will be a tax increase on all American who pay taxes. On June 28, 2007 in a Democratic Primary debate Obama said “There’s no doubt that the tax system has been skewed. And the Bush tax cuts -- people didn’t need them, and they weren’t even asking for them, and that’s why they need to be less…”: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/28/us...pagewanted=all Obama proposes a Windfall Profits tax. Jimmy Carter tried it and it failed miserably. It raised the cost of gas and led to drop in domestic oil production: http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readin...b?OpenDocument During his campaign Obama has criticized the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), blaming it for the loss of jobs in the United States. But he sent a senior member of his campaign team to Canada to tell officials there not to take his criticisms seriously: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0227/20080227/ Obama lied when he told Social Security recipients that their money would now be in the stock market under McCain's plan: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...y_whopper.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...ial_secur.html Barack Obama’s Policies on Energy Would Keep Us Dependent on Foreign Oil Barack Obama opposes drilling on and offshore to reduce gas and oil prices. While Barack Obama has opposed off-shore drilling and a gas-tax holiday (as supported by John McCain or Hillary Clinton), his solution to our energy crisis does include additional tax burdens on oil company profits, taxes we can only imagine will be passed on to the consumer, thus causing an even more expensive trip to the gas station. Ethanol subsidies are a major plank in Barack Obama's view of energy independence and national security. He favors ethanol subsidies, some of which end up in the hands of the same oil companies he says should be subjected to a windfall profits tax: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us...=2&oref=slogin Obama is opposed to drilling in ANWAR, in a desolate tundra area the size of Minnesota. The oil industry says it would need to use only 2,000 acres-an area no bigger than Dulles Airport, outside D.C.-to get that oil. This footprint would be 50 times smaller than the Montana ranch owned by Ted Turner: http://www.nationalreview.com/flashb...0503180758.asp While Obama attacks American automakers for not making enough environmental friendly automobiles, he drives a V-8 hemi-powered Chrysler 300: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...hypocrisy.html Obama claims that the oil savings from inflating our tires properly would equal new production plans: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=71044 Barack Obama Would Not Support Badly Needed Education Reform Obama would block true education reform because he too beholden to the teacher’s unions: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...l_reform_talk/ http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...RjYTRjNjhkMmM= When speaking before Planned Parenthood Barack Obama defended his proposal of providing sex education to children in kindergarten. Hear him say it in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ6vZRy62KY Obama sends his children to private schools, but he opposes school choice which would especially help poor parents send their children to better schools: http://www.nysun.com/editorials/obam...ouchers/71798/ Barack Obama’s Poilicies on Health Care Would be a Bureaucratic Nightmare Obama’s health care plan would not lower the premiums of current payers as he claims. His health care proposal will not create universal health care. It will be bureaucratic debacle and lead to wasteful government spending: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...care_plan.html Elizabeth Edwards Knocks Obama Health Care Plan: http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/e...lth-care-plan/ Barack Obama Supports Open Borders. Legal Immigration is a Great Blessing to the United States, Illegal Immigration Poses a Threat. Obama Voted for continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". These cities will not enforce federal laws against illegal immigration. http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...mmigration.htm Obama Voted for allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...mmigration.htm Obama supports drivers licenses for illegal immigrants. He supports health care for illegal immigrants. This is crushing the health care system in some states: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...mmigration.htm Obama scores 8% by USBC on immigration issues. OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows: 0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members) 30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members) 70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members) http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...mmigration.htm Barack Obama is Weak on the Second Amendment He is unclear about his support for the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Americans should not relinquish their legitimate right to self-defense: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040601652.html At a fundraiser before rich, elite Democrats he mocked people who live in rural areas as bitter people who cling to guns and religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA Barack Obama Effectively Supports Same-Sex Marriage Obama would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which would force other states to recognize same-sex marriages recognized in other states like Massachusetts. So much for the idea of federalism! http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/g...E.php?AID=4018 Obama supports strong civil unions for homosexuals. In practice, this is not much different than supporting same-sex marriage: http://www.insidesocal.com/outinholl..._marriage.html Obama supports adoption for same-sex couples: http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid58998.asp Obama voted against a Federal Marriage amendment to define marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman: http://obama.senate.gov/press/060607...t_26/index.php Obama is opposed to California’s Marriage amendment to define marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08073005.html Barack Obama Would Appoint Activist Judges and Oppose Legal Reform Obama would appoint activist judges to the Supreme Court and appellate courts who would legislate from the bench: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...-criticiz.html Obama opposes necessary TORT reform legislation: http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/003354.php Obama believes in a “living Constitution”. So a judge can change it arbitrarily without having to bother with the amendment process: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...oyckg.asp?pg=1 Obama criticized the Constitution because it does require redistribution of wealth in a 2001 radio interview. He called the Constitution "a charter of negative liberties" and wanted to move beyond the restrictions that the Founding Fathers placed on government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4...dio-interview/ Obama voted against the highly qualified Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23276453/ Barack Obama is an Extremist on Abortion Barack Obama So Extreme on Abortion He Would Let Babies Die Who Survive Them Obama voted against requiring medical treatment to be given to babies born alive after surviving a botched abortion. Jill Stanek is a nurse who uncovered the fact that Christ Hospital in Illinois was performing induced labor abortions. Some of these babies are actually born alive. Jill Stanek saw one who was discarded in a utility closet and rocked the baby for about 50 minutes before he died. Barack Obama voted against giving medical treatment to these babies. http://www.lifenews.com/nat4034.html http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/obama-links-to/ http://www.bornalivetruth.org/ Obama called Gianna Jessen, an abortion survivor, a despicable liar after being presented with the truth about his failure to protect babies born alive: http://www.lifenews.com/nat4366.html Obama voted against banning the brutal practice of partial-birth abortion: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8070510AAmIod2 Michelle Obama defended partial-birth abortions in a 2004 letter: http://www.lifenews.com/nat4034.html Barack Obama supports the extreme Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA). If enacted, FOCA would obliterate hundreds of state laws that protect women, parents, children, and health care workers, while forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for millions of abortions. It would overturn commonsense laws like parental notification, conscience protections, abortion waiting periods, informed consent, and regulations for women's health: http://www.lifenews.com/nat4056.html Estimates are that if Obama becomes President and signs FOCA it will lead to 125,000 more abortions each year: http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html Obama is the most pro-abortion Presidential candidate ever: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24354 Obama would recommend abortion for his daughters if they got pregnant because he wouldn’t want them to be punished with a baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo http://www.lifenews.com/nat3827.html When asked when a baby is entitled to human rights. Obama responded that the question was above his pay grade: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28151 Obama supports the killing of human embryos to obtain their stem calls, even though, stem cells can be obtained from other sources that don’t involve killing: http://www.lifenews.com/bio2548.html Obama co-sponsored a bill which purports to ban human cloning, but allows for Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer. The bill allows for human clones created and experimented on, but forbids allowing them to be place in a woman’s womb and be born: http://peasandjustice.blogspot.com/2...sed-minds.html Obama supports federal funding of abortion. He opposes the Hyde Amendment which prevents federal tax dollars from being used to pay for abortion: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2...-questionnaire Obama’s only Harvard Law Review article took a pro-abortion stance: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html Obama wrongly claimed that abortions "have not gone down" under President Bush. In fact, the abortion rate has gone down 9 percent, and the annual total has declined by more than 100,000: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._bloopers.html Obama is undecided on whether life begins at conception: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Dems...sion_Forum.htm Obama is rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elec...nts/obama.html Obama voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008) http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm Obama voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008) http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm Obama voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007) http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm Obama voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006) http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm Obama is rated 0% by the The National Right to Life Committee (Dec 2006) http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm Barack Obama Supports the Death Penalty Tell all your liberal friends that Barack Obama supports the death penalty: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_p...tly-stand.aspx On Jan 18, 4:40*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: reason # 2 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein obama...other than race 2) he was quick and fast to bring up race in the election On Jan 18, 4:31*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that.... " And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate " On Jan 18, 11:08*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: I don't have the time or desire to educate folks on a web site... LOL !! Time and desire aren't the only things you lack. And anti-Islamic racism isn't anything I'd care to be "educated" in at any rate. It's sufficient for me to deplore it and to speak out when folks like you spew it. -- Ken Fortenberry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... snipped, a largely unreliable set of cut and paste from during the campaign, which completely failed to convince many voters The man is now President-elect. Accept it. What, of your blather, that I found most disturbing was the comment, "I'll bet you $5 that he doesn't make it into the front door of the White House". What, exactly, were you inferring?? Do you know something?? Probably not, as the set of bull**** exagerrations, lies and smears you posted shows a lack of any real in-depth thinking for yourself......just a regurgitation of the toxic vomit that pervades the loony right wing. Tom |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote yourself......just a regurgitation of the toxic vomit that pervades the loony right wing. The radio/ TV talking icons of that right wingnut set are still there, still selling hate. That is what Rush and his type do, that is what their incomes and 'prestige' depend on, and that is what their 'following' wants and expects. They would go under if they just stuck to real issues and the truth, or embraced the idea of a less divided country. They depend on that unpatriotic division to provide for them because they sell it to millions of 'beancounters' eager for a daily fix of the strong emotion of hate those unfortunates need to hide the real conditions in their souls. Hate almost always grows from roots in fear. Manipulating people that are extremely fearful into the seemingly less uncomfortable emotion of hate has always been an easy job. That percentage of humans all but hardwired to be fearful have always been and still are, the segment that becomes extremist. That is why those that want you to be an extremist try so hard, first, to scare you. The fear obvious in beancounter's ( and others similar to him ) posts is thick and multilayered. IMHO, that fear defines those like him better than the hate filled vomit they spew, it's more central to their core. The man is now President-elect. Accept it. What, of your blather, that I found most disturbing was the comment, "I'll bet you $5 that he doesn't make it into the front door of the White House". What, exactly, were you inferring?? That comment from 'beancounter' is exactly the same as making "idle talk" about flying a jet into a big building or taking guns to the school and "showing them, all of them" We live in an age where such idle talk must be taken very seriously. If I heard a teenager talking about taking guns to school, and knew who that sick kid was, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate, or not, depending on their professional judgement of the real threat involved. 'Nuff said. |
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uh...yea, right...lets do away with all opposing viewpoints...no thanx...no barrack hussein obamma "coolaid" for me......thanx anyway.... On Jan 18, 8:58*pm, "Larry L" wrote: "Tom Littleton" wrote yourself......just a regurgitation of the toxic vomit that pervades the loony right wing. The radio/ TV talking icons of that right wingnut set are still there, still selling hate. * *That is what Rush and his type do, that is what their incomes and 'prestige' depend on, and that is what their 'following' wants and expects. * *They would go under if they just stuck to real issues and the truth, or embraced the idea of a less divided country. * * They depend on that unpatriotic division to provide for them because they sell it to millions of 'beancounters' eager for a daily fix of the strong emotion of hate those unfortunates need to hide the real conditions in their souls. Hate almost always grows from roots in fear. * *Manipulating people that are extremely fearful into the seemingly less uncomfortable emotion of hate has always been an easy job. * * * That percentage of humans all but hardwired to be fearful have always been and still are, the segment that becomes extremist. * That is why those that want you to be an extremist try so hard, first, to scare you. The fear obvious in beancounter's ( and others similar to him ) *posts is thick and multilayered. * IMHO, that fear defines those like him *better than the hate filled vomit they spew, it's more central to their core. The man is now President-elect. Accept it. What, of your blather, that I found most disturbing was the comment, "I'll bet you $5 that he doesn't make it into the front door of the White House". What, exactly, were you inferring?? That comment from 'beancounter' is exactly the same as making "idle talk" about flying a jet into a big building or taking guns to the school and "showing them, all of them" * * * We live in an age where such idle talk must be taken very seriously. * * If I heard a teenager talking about taking guns to school, and knew who that sick kid was, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate, or not, depending on their professional judgement of the real threat involved. 'Nuff said. |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim Lysyk wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: ... The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? Actually, the Americans started the war of 1812 by attacking Canada. The Brits started the war by impressing into their navy U.S. citizens on the high seas and illegally restricting American trade with France. Not to mention arming the natives who were fighting the U.S. at the time. Apparently your Canadian history books are biased. ;-) Nah...the Yanks just used that for an excuse to invade Canada. Tim Lysyk |
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well I say **** any radical muslim.....simple as that.... I don't care about your sex life, but what do Islamic fundamentalists have to do with our President-elect ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Jan 19, 7:39*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
reason # 1 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein obama...other than race 1) he lied about his campaing financing How was that? By rejecting public financing? http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/06/...-independence/ It was a sound strategic decision, and McCain got beat. If you think THAT'S a big 'lie', I'm amazed that you can sleep with some of the stuff that comes out of DC. |
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On Jan 19, 7:40*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
reason # 2 ( out of 100 ) I don't like barrack hussein obama...other than race 2) he was quick and fast to bring up race in the election Yeah, sort of like the elephant in the living room. He didn't bring it up first....people who had 20-20 vision brought it up. He gave an incredibly eloquent and powerful speech denouncing its importance. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...h_n_92077.html --riverman |
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On Jan 19, 7:44*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
4.Because in a culture that overuses the word “hero” (among many others) pretty gratuitously, Mac is the real thing. In many ways, yes. But does that qualify him to lead the country? I don't think so...nor does it disqualify him. 5.Mac can keep things in perspective. *Age’ll give you perspective. IYHO. I think Mac is too far over the hill to understand the modern world. Leaders of other countries would not relate to him, nor would the majority of Americans. 6.So will five and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton. See #4 7.Because the various tyrants of the world see Barack Obama, and they think “How Sweet. *Fresh Meat”. IYHO. 8.Because France, Canada and Germany have both elected more- conservative leaders since 2004; for once, they have a point. IYHO 9.I’m not going to say “Bin Laden Endorses Obama” - but when Bin Laden goes to sleep at night, who do you think he dreams will have his head stuffed and mounted above the fireplace in the East Wing? Oh, spare me. He wasn't afraid of your man Bush...McCain won't scare him either. The way to get OBL is to work cooperatively with other countries to track him down; something neither Bush nor McC were in a mind to do. 10.Even if Bin Laden doesn’t think Mac’ll do it, he’s gotta have visions of Sarah, Todd and Track Palin snowshoeing across the Hindu Kush, finding, shooting and stuffing him. GAG me! 11.Because while abortion has never been the sine qua non of politics for me, it matters. OK, that's a legitmate point on a tangible political platform. 12.And at the end of the day, Obama is pro-choice. See #11. 13.And Biden is worse - a pro-choice Catholic. See #11. And add 'redundancy' to that. 14.Because partial-birth abortion is inexcusable, and still Obama excuses it (and I’ve heard Biden say not a thing about it). See #7, and #11. 15.Because as bad as Bush was on spending, Obama will be much, much worse… Hard to believe, since Bush was single-handedly responsible for about 40% of the current debt. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09...y4486228.shtml But in any case, see #7. 16.…and “balancing the budget” with tax hikes is economic suicide. IYHO. And FWIW, 'balancing the budget' with record spending is even worse. See #15 17.For the good of the party, the GOP needs to return to fiscal conservatism. *Whatever Mac’s other sins, he’s got a much better claim to that than does Obama. WTF?? The GOP has NEVER been 'fiscally conservative'!! That's the most promulgated myth in politics...the extreme bulk of government debt and spending has been under GOP leadership! And how can you claim that McC will be better at it than Obama? See #5 18.Or Bush, for that matter. Agreed. 19.What I said in 17 about “the good of the party”? *The same goes tenfold for the nation. Agreed, but I think Obama is better equipped to do that. IMHO. 20.Because the words “Chicago Democrat” mean something. IYHO 21.Because that something is worse than “Minnesota Liberal”, which itself is a horror to behold. IYHO 22.Because I work hard for my money. Good for you. I think most of us do.... 23.Raising taxes kills jobs. Including mine. No way. Your job relies on a changing tax code. 24.Because Hollywood is getting the vapors for Obama. Who gives a FF? How does that disqualify him?? 25.Because a lot of bigots and racists want to think I’m a bigot and racist for not voting for Obama. Hmm, you're not making this essential point very well... 26.Because the 3AM Phone Call is a real thing - moreso in our world today than fifteen years ago, even. Yes, but you need to prove that Obama would not respond to the '3AM phone call'. FWIW, McC's age would work strongly against him in this case... 27.And Obama has shown us no evidence that he’s ready to take that call… Other than being intelligent and able to motivate support....essential elements for handling that 'phone call'...rather than knee-jerk conservatism. 28.…or do much of anything else. Gag me. 29.Because Obama has voted “Present” in the Senate over 100 times. LOL!!! Check your facts, man. MCCAIN VOTED 'PRESENT' OVER 350 times!! http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53270 30.Because Obama has spent less time in the Senate… 31.…than Mac spent in the Hanoi Hilton. *Yes, Mr. Messiah, sir, experience counts. Curious how you can endorse Palin, then. 32.Because while I believe Obama isn’t a bad person, his presidency will grant sweeping power to the Pelosi/Reid Congress, perhaps the most depraved pack of hacks ever to wield political power in the history of this country. IYHO several times over. 33.No, I mean the most depraved pack of hacks, just like I wrote it. The post-Watergate Democrats were at least largely people with their nation’s best interests at heart; many were WWII and Korea veterans, people for whom the flag meant something. *If you’re to the right of Jane Fonda, the Reid-Pelosi Axis of Weasels should make your skin crawl. Hmm, IYHO again (and again and again) 34.Because Sarah Palin, as relatively new to politics as she may be, is vastly more qualified to lead the most powerful nation on earth than Barack Obama is. see IYHO above, in many places 35.Because having Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency scares me a lot more than having Sarah Palin there. See #31 36.Because having Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency scares me more than having Courtney Love, Lindsay Lohan or Crispin Glover there. Good thing none of them are VP. See #31. And you KNOW you're a lunatic, right? 37.Because Mac will extend the Bush Tax Cuts. *Because… 38.…tax cuts are always good. Always. There are no exceptions. Wow, don't even know where to begin. Especially if they force you to cut spending. I almost agree. Cutting spending = good. Depending on where its cut....and somehow I think we differ on this. 39.Mac may not cut spending - but he will be not nearly the spendthrift Bush was… 40.…and a year into an Obama administration, Bush will seem like a miser. LOL. Hard to believe...see #15 41.Because hundreds of union goons can’t be right. Huh? 42.Because, unlike millions of “people” registered by ACORN and the like, I exist, and someone needs to stand up for all of us actual humans. MILLIONS?? They only registered about 1.5 million nationwide, and at least some of those were real people. Besides, how many of those fraudulent 'millions' actually cast a vote? 43.Because all of the fictional “people” that sent anonymous (and illegal) contributions to Obama’s donations will be rendered moot by everyone who repudiates their fraud. I have no idea what you are saying here. 44.Because every vote against The One is a finger in the eye of MoveOn, George Soros (and his paid minions), Democrats.com, Media Matters, and on, and on, and on. Now, that doesn't sound very American to me. 45.Because Mac has a lifetime A from the NRA… OK, see #11, sort of. Add IYHO to it. 46.…and Obama was for gun control, before he was against it… BFD. 47.…before, given the company he keeps (and the chits he owes), he will no doubt be for it again So help me here...is it GOOD that he'll end up in favor, or bad? And IYHO 48.Because too many of Obama’s supporters have been just too insufferably triumphalistic. Yeah, turnabout sucks, eh? 49.Because just enough of Obama’s supporters have pledged to do crappy, unamerican things if Obama loses… LOL, coming from you. 50.…and an Obama loss will be a wonderful way to flush out what truly must be called “Unamerican” - the rejection of the votes of ones’ fellow citizens. *Let us get them out into the open - indeed, let them “McCarthy-ize” themselves - so we can do something about them. What?!? You have gone off the deep end, buddy. 51.Because Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like a wise, cool-headed, competent statesman. Jimmy Carter IS. And IYHO 52.Because it’ll give Keith Olberman a stroke. WGAF (also for 53-56) 53.Because Chris Matthews’ leg will finally stop tingling. 54.Because I’m dying to see Katie Couric’s face the morning after. 55.Because P. Diddy and Sam I Am will stroke out. 56.Because Mac is old enough to to give a rat’s ass what people think about him… 57.…and Obama seems to need approval. LOL. IYHO 58.Because Mac blows up at people and the press… Irrationality is always a good characteristic in a president. 59.…but hasn’t ever kicked anyone off his plane. BFD. And this counters your point #58 60.In spite of Because Palin is such a lightning rod for the paranoia and misogyny of the institutional left. So if you like lighning rods, you must LOVE a black muslim president. 61.Because Sarah Palin has teenagers who’ve made her life difficult… 62.…and an infant whose very existence upholds the value of life… Or shows the inconsistency in her preaching. 63.…a fact that makes the Orthodox Left purple with rage. Whoever they are. 64.Because while Obama might have a bracelet from a soldier whose name he can’t remember, Mac has two sons who are veterans… 'might'? 65.…and a son who’s an enlisted Marine serving overseas… 66.…where Track Palin is right now. *Yes, I do *think having an investment in the issue will make for better, saner leadership - and certainly less palaver about, say, invading Pakistan. I tend to agree with you about that. More congressmen and senators should have kids overseas. 67.Because while I’ve been a conservative for over 20 years, I grew up a Democrat, around enough Democrats to care what happens to the party. John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman would puke if they saw what Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and Michaal Moore had done with their party. If you’re a responsible Democrat, so should you. Help your party re- discover its real legacy by sending John Kerry back to palookaville. Hmm, there is very little substance here. 68.Because Jimmy Carter endorses Obama. As does the majority of America, at last count. 69.Because the only evidence I’ve seen about Obama’s performance under pressure - his response to Georgia - makes Jimmy Carter look pretty good in comparison. I think running a Presidential campaign qualifies for 'performance under pressure', and he beat the nads off of McC. 70.Also Neville Chamberlain. BFD 71.Because I love my country more than I love the UN. They are almost one and the same. 72.Because the GOP embodies confidence in this nation - something the Democrats do not. *Belief that the US could be a good nation if we adopted their platform in toto, perhaps, but not confidence. Did you just fall off a truck? The GOP embodies raping and pillaging this nation. Check the local papers. 73.Also exceptionalism. *America is the shining city… Yeah, we tolerate nutjobs like the extreme right. 74.…which is a notion that makes Obama’s most-vital supporters nauseous. Not hardly. 75.Because Obama, like Kerry and Algore and Carter, consistently mistakes “plans” and “summits” and “negotiation” for productive action. Like 'unilateral attacks' and 'unjustified warfare' and 'undocumented WMDs' 76.Because as we saw in the wake of the market meltdown, Mac will put “doing the right thing” ahead of political expediency. You mean like run to Washington and do nothing? 77.Obama wouldn’t know how. *Like with Kerry and Gore, ”the right thing” changes depending on the audience he’s talking with. Hmm, IYHO. 78.Because I’m a “bitter, gun-clinging Jesus Freak”, and damn proud of it. No surprises there. Except for the Jesus Freak part. 79.Because I am Joe The Plumber. I gathered that. Got those licenses to practice your profession yet? 80.Because I value freedom of speech - everyone’s speech, including speech I disagree with - and an Obama Administration (and a Congress under the unfettered control of the Tics) will start with imposing the “Fairness Doctrine” to strangle conservative talk radio by fiat, and start working its way down. Conservative Talk Radio deserves to be flushed down the toilet. It's destructive entertainment and radical divicive jingoism at its worst. The US is nothing but worse off because of it. Yet, I defend its right to exist. I just wish more Americans were wise enough to not believe all that garbage and hate-spew. Folks like you. 81.Because you know people by their friends. *And Obama’s friends include the Teachers’ Union… 82.…and the AFL-CIO… 83.…and AFSCME… 84.…and his “Mentor” Jeremiah Wright… 85.…and Bill Ayers. Gee, he has only these people for friends? How did he ever get endorsements like Colin Powell, etcetcetcetcetc... 86.Because Mac has one genuine skeleton in his closet - being part of the Keating Five, albeit its least consequent member - and he’s owned up to and made amends for it. Maybe that's because McC doesn't take a stance on anything. 87.Becasue I survived the Carter years… 88.…and I don’t want my kids to have to do the same. *Indeed, I’ve spent my entire adult life dedicated to trying to prevent that. So how's it going? 89.Because this nation’s “soul” is in fine shape, and doesn’t need any politician to fix it. So you're now an Anarchist? Besides, last I checked, I think America has lost its soul. You need to get out of the country more...but I guess you don't really care about the 'outside world'... 90.Because, as I noted (presciently?) four years ago: *this country is a better place with Republicans in charge. Lower taxes, lower spending, smaller government…oops. Yeah, we conservatives have to take our party back. Guess what? It’s easier to do when you’re in office. How the hell do you say 'lower spending'???? Smaller government??? See #whatever above. 91.Because the Media deserves a huge, stinging rebuke for having been in the tank for the left for the past 30 years. They deserve it more now than they did four years ago. *Every year, I’m more convinced that this nation’s well-being, even survival, depends on bringing the mainstream media down to size. LOL. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021125/alterman 92.Because I supported Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson until there was nothing more to support. *Mac had to earn my support. 93.And he did. 94.Because Mac is not from the coast. ??? Last I check, Panama was coastal. 95.Because Sarah Palin oozes “flyover land”. *America’s “flyover land” is not only this country’s heart and soul; it’s this world’s best hope. IYHO. Its also a backwater. 96.Because liberalism’s track record for setting economies on the right path is 0 wins, hundreds of losses, and (with the New Deal) one weak tie. *And we need better than that. LOL, and you gotta quit with the coolaid. 97.Mac hasn’t forgotten the hard lessons of war. 98.Obama would have no reason to have known ... read more » I'd rather not. This was fun, but a real waste of time. |
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On Jan 19, 8:35*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: I don't care about your sex life, but what do Islamic fundamentalists have to do with our President-elect ? Clearly you just don't get it. Because our President has a middle name that's the same as Bush's scary boogeyman, that automatically ties him to every Islamic fundamentalist nutjob in the Middle East who may or may not have the same name. Of course, my middle name is Joseph, so I must have something to do with the crimes of Stalin, and Mr. Johnson here must somehow be tied to the OK City bombing. It's simple. Just suspend any semblance of common sense or simple reasoning, and you'll see the connection. HTH, Joe F. |
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rb608 wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: I don't care about your sex life, but what do Islamic fundamentalists have to do with our President-elect ? Clearly you just don't get it. Because our President has a middle name that's the same as Bush's scary boogeyman, that automatically ties him to every Islamic fundamentalist nutjob in the Middle East who may or may not have the same name. Of course, my middle name is Joseph, so I must have something to do with the crimes of Stalin, and Mr. Johnson here must somehow be tied to the OK City bombing. It's simple. Just suspend any semblance of common sense or simple reasoning, and you'll see the connection. Bonilla's crazy racist rants sure do sound as if he believes having Hussein as a middle name is a confirmation of Islamic fundamentalism. I know he's a Republican top-poster and that in itself proves an appalling lack of intellect but not even a Republican top-poster could be *that* stupid, could they ? I mean in the face of overwhelming evidence that Obama isn't even a Muslim ? It boggles the mind. I feel sorry for the guy. We watched the "We Are One" concert yesterday on the computer (we're TV luddites with analog cable and no HBO so we couldn't get it on the telly) and I couldn't help but having several bouts of teary eyes. The picture of Obama delivering a pre-inauguration speech to hundreds of thousands beneath the granite visage of Abraham Lincoln had me crying like a baby. And Pete Seeger, ancient old Pete Seeger, with both hands thrust toward the heavens shouting This Land is Your Land, damn how could you have a dry eye. And poor Rich Bonilla, while most of the country is celebrating and feeling good about being an American and yes crying real tears of joy, he's a tightly-wound bundle of hateful ignorance. It must really suck to be him. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Jan 19, 12:45*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: And Pete Seeger, ancient old Pete Seeger, with both hands thrust toward the heavens shouting This Land is Your Land, damn how could you have a dry eye. I was sorry to have missed Seeger. No HBO for me either; I only caught a few parts on NPR while driving around running errands. That had to have been one of those musical and cultural moments that don't come around often. Joe F. |
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ha!!... bo ho...wa wa wa......what a tear jerker......
On Jan 19, 10:45*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: rb608 wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: I don't care about your sex life, but what do Islamic fundamentalists have to do with our President-elect ? Clearly you just don't get it. *Because our President has a middle name that's the same as Bush's scary boogeyman, that automatically ties him to every Islamic fundamentalist nutjob in the Middle East who may or may not have the same name. *Of course, my middle name is Joseph, so I must have something to do with the crimes of Stalin, and Mr. Johnson here must somehow be tied to the OK City bombing. *It's simple. *Just suspend any semblance of common sense or simple reasoning, and you'll see the connection. Bonilla's crazy racist rants sure do sound as if he believes having Hussein as a middle name is a confirmation of Islamic fundamentalism. I know he's a Republican top-poster and that in itself proves an appalling lack of intellect but not even a Republican top-poster could be *that* stupid, could they ? I mean in the face of overwhelming evidence that Obama isn't even a Muslim ? It boggles the mind. I feel sorry for the guy. We watched the "We Are One" concert yesterday on the computer (we're TV luddites with analog cable and no HBO so we couldn't get it on the telly) and I couldn't help but having several bouts of teary eyes. The picture of Obama delivering a pre-inauguration speech to hundreds of thousands beneath the granite visage of Abraham Lincoln had me crying like a baby. And Pete Seeger, ancient old Pete Seeger, with both hands thrust toward the heavens shouting This Land is Your Land, damn how could you have a dry eye. And poor Rich Bonilla, while most of the country is celebrating and feeling good about being an American and yes crying real tears of joy, he's a tightly-wound bundle of hateful ignorance. It must really suck to be him. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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ha!!... bo ho...wa wa wa......what a tear jerker...... This is a time of great celebration and yes, tears of joy. If you want to wallow in hate-filled ignorance it's your loss. There will always be folks like you, bigots, racists, xenophobes and hate-filled jingoes but can we, as a country, as a people, as Americans move beyond the mean and the small and the ignorant to pursue a common dream and a common hope for the future. Yes we can. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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voices from the loony left.....
On Jan 19, 3:03*pm, Ken Fortenberry wrote: ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: ha!!... * bo ho...wa wa wa......what a tear jerker...... This is a time of great celebration and yes, tears of joy. If you want to wallow in hate-filled ignorance it's your loss. There will always be folks like you, bigots, racists, xenophobes and hate-filled jingoes but can we, as a country, as a people, as Americans move beyond the mean and the small and the ignorant to pursue a common dream and a common hope for the future. Yes we can. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Tim Lysyk wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Tim Lysyk wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: ... The Brits attacked us in 1812, does that mean someone whose middle name is Geoffrey would be unfit for office in the sewer which is your universe ? Actually, the Americans started the war of 1812 by attacking Canada. The Brits started the war by impressing into their navy U.S. citizens on the high seas and illegally restricting American trade with France. Not to mention arming the natives who were fighting the U.S. at the time. Apparently your Canadian history books are biased. ;-) Nah...the Yanks just used that for an excuse to invade Canada. Tim Lysyk Why would they want Canada? ;-) R . . . |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: This is a time of great celebration and yes, tears of joy. If you want to wallow in hate-filled ignorance it's your loss. There will always be folks like you, bigots, racists, xenophobes and hate-filled jingoes but can we, as a country, as a people, as Americans move beyond the mean and the small and the ignorant to pursue a common dream and a common hope for the future. Yes we can. voices from the loony left..... No, an American voice from the 21st century. Get used to it. It's time for scum like you to retreat to the sewers of history and wallow in yesterday's hateful spew. Buh bye scumbag. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Jan 18, 3:44*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
I have no idea why folks are pushing your buttons because after this list it is perfectly clear why the normal home life is in contrast to the sneaky, racist persona: just a garden variety example of a bitter, under-educated, but probably decent, accountant. I wish you well in the sense that I hope you don't go completely off your rocker some day and hurt people, but I will leave engaging with you to others. Take care of your family, enjoy your life and save your racial bull**** for your White Power accountant buddies. Dave C&R, No big deal just another example of why the accounting curriculum needs more general ed. |
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oh...and does the lony left think we should send some medice to the
poor muslims who are gettin sick?....wa wa wa..........i group of pussys i am glad not to be associated with........ ------------snip---------------------------- " The killer bug, also known as the plague, swept through insurgents training at a forest camp in Algeria, North Africa. It came to light when security forces found a body by a roadside. " The victim was a terrorist in AQLIM (al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb), the largest and most powerful al-Qaeda group outside the Middle East. It trains Muslim fighters to kill British and US troops. Now al-Qaeda chiefs fear the plague has been passed to other terror cells — or Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. On Jan 19, 4:40*pm, DaveS wrote: On Jan 18, 3:44*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: I have no idea why folks are pushing your buttons because after this list it is perfectly clear why the normal home life is in contrast to the sneaky, racist persona: just a garden variety example of a bitter, under-educated, but probably decent, accountant. I wish you well in the sense that I hope you don't go completely off your rocker some day and hurt people, but I will leave engaging with you to others. Take care of your family, enjoy your life and save your racial bull**** for your White Power accountant buddies. Dave C&R, No big deal *just another example of why the accounting curriculum needs more general ed. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... poor Rich Bonilla, while most of the country is celebrating and feeling good about being an American and yes crying real tears of joy, he's a tightly-wound bundle of hateful ignorance. It must really suck to be him. the same sort of thought occurred to me last night, as Lisa and I(Luddites at times, but not as bad as you all) watched on HBO. It did choke me up at times, and I'm pretty damned cynical. Tom |
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