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Well after impatiently waiting 500 miles like Dodge suggests before towing
anything with my new truck, today, I took it for a short 'shake down' cruise pulling my travel trailer Wow, what a difference from the old one ... TONS of power and I LOVE the 'Jake Brake' feature, something I've never had before Yeah, I know this has zero to do with fly fishing and that you, personally, don't give a **** .... but I just had to tell someone g and everyone else is out of the country, or in class, or at work |
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On Mar 30, 2:31*pm, "Larry L" wrote:
Well after impatiently waiting 500 miles like Dodge suggests before towing anything with my new truck, today, I took it for a short 'shake down' cruise pulling my travel trailer Wow, what a difference from the old one ... TONS of power and I LOVE the 'Jake Brake' feature, something I've never had before Yeah, I know this has zero to do with fly fishing and that you, personally, don't give a **** .... Well, I wouldn't say that.....exactly. but I just had to tell someone g and everyone else is out of the country, or in class, or at work I was just taking a short break from other reading, so it's o.k. What's your gas mileage looking like? g. |
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On 30-Mar-2009, "Larry L" wrote: Well after impatiently waiting 500 miles like Dodge suggests before towing anything with my new truck, today, I took it for a short 'shake down' cruise pulling my travel trailer Wow, what a difference from the old one ... TONS of power and I LOVE the 'Jake Brake' feature, something I've never had before What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop I may buy this year or next and try this group - rec.outdoors.rv-travel Fred |
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What kind of trailer do you have?
I am looking fior a teardrop *I may buy this year or next * and try this group *- rec.outdoors.rv-travel I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. Cool! Frank Reid |
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wrote I was just taking a short break from other reading, so it's o.k. What's your gas mileage looking like? bear in mind that diesels take a long time to wear in and mileage gets better as they do .... ( this is called optimism ;-) So far, I'm getting just about the same as the old truck ... but with twice the power and 15 times the comfort and 'class' G ....um, and infinite times the monthy payment ... I hope for slightly better than the old rig, after break-in figures? I haven't driven enough to provide anything but a guess, but thus far about 16 all round ( mostly short trips in town ) and probably around 20 + going down the highway ( never really done this, but was over 19 on back roads with stops every couple miles ) .... probably 11 towing a 25 foot toy box trailer ( the little meter showed 9.7 today but I was intentionally drag racing from stops and stopping on steep hills just to start again, etc. |
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"Fred" wrote What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop I may buy this year or next and try this group - rec.outdoors.rv-travel I have about a 25 foot toy box type trailer ... suits me fine, I could hose the whole thing out to clean it, if I wanted to. It's built for real, dirty, tough, use but it has 'everything' .. it's fairly heavy for it's size as the toy box frames are built to support vehicles inside the rig. I like the drop down door, and added shade cloth screening across it to make it into a big window ( I get a kick out of it in campgrounds, I can see out, they can't see in ... little kids ( some adults too ) will get curious and come poking around and when they are close and really looking at the tailgate I'll say something like "It's OK you can walk up it if you want" MUCH to their surprise G) It's one of the few big items I've ever bought on impulse ... I saw it displayed on a dealer's lot, first toy hauler I'd ever seen, stopped and looked, called my wife and asked her to come look .... she went in saw the 'no need to baby me, I'm tough' interior and said "it suits you perfectly, let's buy it " We may 'upgrade' to a 5th wheel with pop outs IF my wife takes to the lifestyle and wants to full time ( part time;-) in the summers with me ... what we have is pushing the limits for two people, each with their own hobbies that require space etc I'm not looking forward to all the very uncamplike crap most rigs have in them ... crystal chandeliers, and such. Artic Fox makes some very sturdy rigs .. rated for winter in Alaska and nice but not with tacky, frilly, stuff, so that's what I'm looking at. I have posted a couple questions at the rort group ... I've grown accustomed to the BS on roff ... but all the political crap over there keeps me away unless I have a REAL need for information |
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"Frank Reid" wrote I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. To both of you ... talk to tear drop owners before buying/ building .... I've talked to two ( out of two ) that basically said they wished they had stayed with a tent or tent trailer Cool! actually poor ventilation and not the least bit cool were mentioned by both G |
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On 30-Mar-2009, "Calif Bill" wrote: Welding is not on wood covered surfaces. Guy in Art Welding class a year ago made a teardrop trailer. Metal frame and side hoops. Do not know where he got plans. There are quite a few sites w construction plans for a teardrop - I can point you to some if you would like Fred |
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Welding is not on wood covered surfaces. *Guy in Art Welding class a year ago made a teardrop trailer. *Metal frame and side hoops. *Do not know where he got plans. There are quite a few sites w construction plans for a teardrop - I can point you to some if you would like Thanks anyway. I've found a few dozen. Frank Reid |
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"Frank Reid" wrote in message ... What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop I may buy this year or next and try this group - rec.outdoors.rv-travel I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. Cool! Frank Reid Welding is not on wood covered surfaces. Guy in Art Welding class a year ago made a teardrop trailer. Metal frame and side hoops. Do not know where he got plans. |
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:31:59 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:
Well after impatiently waiting 500 miles like Dodge suggests before towing anything with my new truck, today, I took it for a short 'shake down' cruise pulling my travel trailer Wow, what a difference from the old one ... TONS of power and I LOVE the 'Jake Brake' feature, something I've never had before Yeah, I know this has zero to do with fly fishing and that you, personally, don't give a **** .... but I just had to tell someone g and everyone else is out of the country, or in class, or at work Are you getting anything close to the same mileage as the older truck? TC, R |
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wrote Are you getting anything close to the same mileage as the older truck? yeah, right about the same, ... not better, but not as bad as I first feared .... still only have 600 miles on it, so it will do better in time |
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:02:36 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:
wrote Are you getting anything close to the same mileage as the older truck? yeah, right about the same, ... not better, but not as bad as I first feared ... still only have 600 miles on it, so it will do better in time That's surprising (to me, based upon purely anecdotal info), but happily so for you, I'm sure. Refresh my memory - what year/make/engine version/etc. was your "old" truck and what did it get MPG-wise? I'm pretty curious about this, even though it is anecdotal. I have a friend who has a mid-90s Dodge that gets in the mid-20s MPG, even pulling a trailer (cargo tag-along or travel 5th wheel), and he just had it repainted, etc., in lieu of replacing it because the new Dodges get something like 15. OTOH, if your experience is that there is little difference... TC and TIA, R |
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wrote That's surprising (to me, based upon purely anecdotal info), but happily so for you, I'm sure. Refresh my memory - what year/make/engine version/etc. was your "old" truck and what did it get MPG-wise? I'm pretty curious about this, even though it is anecdotal. I have a friend who has a mid-90s Dodge that gets in the mid-20s MPG, even pulling a trailer (cargo tag-along or travel 5th wheel), and he just had it repainted, etc., in lieu of replacing it because the new Dodges get something like 15. OTOH, if your experience is that there is little difference... My old one was a '92 bought new late in '91 ... right at 280,000 miles on it, and way beat up from a hard life ( it was a good reflection of it's owner ) the last time I checked it ... all around, ( mainly short drives, rural and in town, but no sustained highway ) it got 15.4 Going to Yellowstone last time ( about a year ago ) pulling my trailer I got 11.5 The best I ever recorded was way back and was around 21, unloaded, down the highway ...It always had a 10 hole dog box on it and roughly 3/4 ton of fly fishing **** stored in it .. so, 'unloaded' wasn't, really I've played with the meter deal on the new one too much, resetting it too often, to get reliable numbers but, based on those short distance tests between resets ... all around 16.5 .... closest thing I've done to highway (rural roads but still a stop every couple miles ) 19.2 .... towing 9.7 ( I was really 'testing' the power, drag race starts, looking for steep sections in the local foothills and stopping, just to start again on the grade, etc ) ..... The new is far less loaded 'empty' than the old one, most of that was with zero cargo ( cept fly fishing gear in back seat ;-) some with maybe a couple hundred pounds in the bed. I added a roll-up tonneau cover and it noticeably reduces wind noise, maybe drag? .... the new one is 4WD the old 2WD ( like most 4WD trucks mine may be a waste and more a function of the desire for macho image than real need ... but I DID get stuck a lot in the old one, back when my average working environment was a duck club ... once I drove to a spot with a buddy, parked and worked dogs, it rained a little bit ... I couldn't get going in my own tracks in the alkali and he had to pull me out with his 4WD .... the next time to that duck club I got so stuck we had to get two huge articulated front end loaders, dig out under the truck, run straps under and both the tractors lifted as my friend pulled to get me rolling .... anyway, 4WD made more sense for me 10 years ago than it likely will for the next 10, but diesels are so damn torquey that I opted for it ... hopefully I'm not so dumb as to just use it to get even stucker ;-) My 'needs' included wanting a pleasant place for my wife and I to chat while we enjoy our 'golden years' ( I'm actively trying to buy into this crap .. since the reality of old is pretty grim ;-) and we have plenty of space, satellite radio, etc ... only the 4WD truck-like ride detracts form an air of passenger car comfort ... a few MPG is not a big deal $$wise, no more miles than I now drive, it does bother my 'green conscience' a little IF I had been looking for another truck only for real truck work, and driving lots of miles, I'd have gotten an older 5.9L .. they have plenty of power ( and I'd add one of the chip deals you introduced me to ) and get better mileage than either the models before (my old one ) or the new 6.7L .... I couldn't find one, with less than 80,000 miles on it, for virtually the same price I paid for the new one, 'thanks' to the current economic struggle in Detroit, and decided that the warranty and 'luxury' of new were the way to go, given everything |
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wrote the mid-20s MPG, even pulling a trailer (cargo tag-along or travel 5th wheel), and he just had it repainted, etc., If I had an older one getting mid-20s I'd have kept it, if only as a second one for 'by myself' trips and local use. The guy that got my old one runs a truck accessory biz and mainly wants the Cummins, itself ... I was religious about oil change and valve jobs ... the Dodge part was past beat up, the door literally fell off one time, but the Cummins still 'purrs' ( My father-in-law described that purr as "Sounds like there are 10 little men in there beating on empty metal drums with big hammers" ) and has never used a single drop of oil um, if you're into green ... the new ones are much cleaner, and quieter ... in Yellowstone where the altitude magnified the unburnt black smoke I'd warn people near the truck, "I'm going to start it now, don't inhale" |
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:09:31 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:
wrote That's surprising (to me, based upon purely anecdotal info), but happily so for you, I'm sure. Refresh my memory - what year/make/engine version/etc. was your "old" truck and what did it get MPG-wise? I'm pretty curious about this, even though it is anecdotal. I have a friend who has a mid-90s Dodge that gets in the mid-20s MPG, even pulling a trailer (cargo tag-along or travel 5th wheel), and he just had it repainted, etc., in lieu of replacing it because the new Dodges get something like 15. OTOH, if your experience is that there is little difference... My old one was a '92 bought new late in '91 ... right at 280,000 miles on it, and way beat up from a hard life ( it was a good reflection of it's owner ) the last time I checked it ... all around, ( mainly short drives, rural and in town, but no sustained highway ) it got 15.4 Going to Yellowstone last time ( about a year ago ) pulling my trailer I got 11.5 The best I ever recorded was way back and was around 21, unloaded, down the highway ...It always had a 10 hole dog box on it and roughly 3/4 ton of fly fishing **** stored in it .. so, 'unloaded' wasn't, really I've played with the meter deal on the new one too much, resetting it too often, to get reliable numbers but, based on those short distance tests between resets ... all around 16.5 ... closest thing I've done to highway (rural roads but still a stop every couple miles ) 19.2 .... towing 9.7 ( I was really 'testing' the power, drag race starts, looking for steep sections in the local foothills and stopping, just to start again on the grade, etc ) .... The new is far less loaded 'empty' than the old one, most of that was with zero cargo ( cept fly fishing gear in back seat ;-) some with maybe a couple hundred pounds in the bed. I added a roll-up tonneau cover and it noticeably reduces wind noise, maybe drag? ... the new one is 4WD the old 2WD ( like most 4WD trucks mine may be a waste and more a function of the desire for macho image than real need ... but I DID get stuck a lot in the old one, back when my average working environment was a duck club ... once I drove to a spot with a buddy, parked and worked dogs, it rained a little bit ... I couldn't get going in my own tracks in the alkali and he had to pull me out with his 4WD .... the next time to that duck club I got so stuck we had to get two huge articulated front end loaders, dig out under the truck, run straps under and both the tractors lifted as my friend pulled to get me rolling .... anyway, 4WD made more sense for me 10 years ago than it likely will for the next 10, but diesels are so damn torquey that I opted for it ... hopefully I'm not so dumb as to just use it to get even stucker ;-) My 'needs' included wanting a pleasant place for my wife and I to chat while we enjoy our 'golden years' ( I'm actively trying to buy into this crap .. since the reality of old is pretty grim ;-) and we have plenty of space, satellite radio, etc ... only the 4WD truck-like ride detracts form an air of passenger car comfort ... a few MPG is not a big deal $$wise, no more miles than I now drive, it does bother my 'green conscience' a little IF I had been looking for another truck only for real truck work, and driving lots of miles, I'd have gotten an older 5.9L .. they have plenty of power ( and I'd add one of the chip deals you introduced me to ) and get better mileage than either the models before (my old one ) or the new 6.7L ... I couldn't find one, with less than 80,000 miles on it, for virtually the same price I paid for the new one, 'thanks' to the current economic struggle in Detroit, and decided that the warranty and 'luxury' of new were the way to go, given everything Weird, your old truck's mileage being what my limited anecdotal info indicates. I've known a few folks over the years with the older Cummins Dodges, and all indicate(d) getting 20-plus MPG, and over 15, even hauling heavy-ish loads. As to running out of Dodge before running out of Cummins goes, here's another story - A friend got one back when they were still newish (about 1992-93) and not three weeks after he got it, he was driving from a horse show to his home for the evening (no trailer behind him) and got pulled over near home. The cop, who it turned out he knew, pulled him over for no tail lights. Upon closer inspection, it turned out that something hadn't been installed properly, and the lights had fallen out (or in the cutout in the bed, I don't recall exactly). It was one more reason that among an extended group of farmers and ranchers, who nonetheless generally liked the Dodge/Cummins, that the joke was you needed 6 trucks and one engine... I've never owned one - I've had Chevy 6.5s (where you need 6 drive trains, 1 truck, and a Hong Kong electronics specialist) and Fords. My current "#1 pick" is a Powerstroke (International) 7.3, but because of the myriad problems in the years of the 6.0, combined with the "drag racing/truck pull" tuning of the engine. I've not really had any experience with the new 6.4, but I'm leery of it as it had been out about 13 minutes when Ford started talking about the 6.7 or whatever the 2010 or 2011 engine is, but I like the looks overall of the newer Fords and Dodges - comfortable, but still trucks. IMO, the 2007-8 Chevys are very durable and the newest Chevy looks like something Darth Vader's teenaged son would drive. TC, R |
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wrote engine. I've not really had any experience with the new 6.4, but I'm leery of it as it had been out about 13 minutes when Ford started talking about the 6.7 I actually set out to get a Ford mainly because of the less than tough body of the old Dodge ... ( I used to think that there were lots of old Dodges on the road ... a closer look shows that there are lots of new Dodges on the road ... that look old ) The sales Manager at the local Ford dealer ... after I mentioned that I'd heard so much bad about the 6.0 and asked "how's the new one" replied... "oh, it's a great motor, great" ... "It's only problem is that it gets lousy mileage" .... !! I went across the street to the Dodge dealer, turns out it was the same salesman there I bought the old one from in '91 at a different dealer ( and he remembered me ! ) we discussed the improvements Dodge has made to frames, doors, etc and he didn't have to sell me on Cummins ... took me a few shopping trips and a couple test drives, but it's a done deal now time will tell, who has fell and who's been left behind |
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, Frank Reid writes What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop *I may buy this year or next * and try this group *- rec.outdoors.rv-travel I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. Cool! Frank Reid This item you call a teardrop is something not encountered here in the UK - at least not by me. I looked it up in Google and found several sites showing the construction etc. fascinating and really cool. I should imaging that there is ample sleeping room in the front compartment for average sized people. I nearly bought a two person caravan some years ago but even that seemed to be larger, at least taller, than a teardrop. One is never too old to learn. -- Bill Grey |
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On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:10:44 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote: In article , Frank Reid writes What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop *I may buy this year or next * and try this group *- rec.outdoors.rv-travel I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. Cool! Frank Reid This item you call a teardrop is something not encountered here in the UK - at least not by me. I looked it up in Google and found several sites showing the construction etc. fascinating and really cool. I should imaging that there is ample sleeping room in the front compartment for average sized people. I nearly bought a two person caravan some years ago but even that seemed to be larger, at least taller, than a teardrop. One is never too old to learn. Yeah, but can well be too old to sleep in a teardrop caravan...especially if one is any taller than about 5 feet/1.5m... HTH, R |
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On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:35:39 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote: In article , writes On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:10:44 +0100, "W. D. Grey" wrote: In article , Frank Reid writes What kind of trailer do you have? I am looking fior a teardrop *I may buy this year or next * and try this group *- rec.outdoors.rv-travel I'm looking at which teardrop I'm going to build. Powertools and welding on wood covered surfaces. Cool! Frank Reid This item you call a teardrop is something not encountered here in the UK - at least not by me. I looked it up in Google and found several sites showing the construction etc. fascinating and really cool. I should imaging that there is ample sleeping room in the front compartment for average sized people. I nearly bought a two person caravan some years ago but even that seemed to be larger, at least taller, than a teardrop. One is never too old to learn. Yeah, but can well be too old to sleep in a teardrop caravan...especially if one is any taller than about 5 feet/1.5m... HTH, R Yes TH :-[ I'm sure there are some out there that could comfortably sleep "an average sized" person or two. But IME - limited as to "teardrop" campers/caravans, but fairly extensive as to caravans/campers in general, boats, etc. - if your initial reaction is that there is the slightest hint that it might be, possibly, just a wee bit - not much, mind you, just a tad - small, in practice it will seem like you're trying to sleep in a matchbox...with the matches...and among the things keeping you awake will be wondering how you managed to instantly grow 6 ft./2m just by attempting to lay on what can only be jokingly referred to as a "bed"...OTOH, I've no doubt it would sleep better than, say, a bass cabinet at a Who concert...set upon a portable toilet...nearest the concession selling boiled egg and cabbage burritos...and giving out free ones to drunken Irish football fans... TC, R |
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