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Avast yee to Davey Jones locker ya swabbys...
And let that be a lesson to ya. |
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Three pirates take up negotiations with Davy Jones.... |
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On Apr 13, 11:39*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b... -- Ken Fortenberry Gee. I'm glad you posted that link. I'm sobbing all over my keyboard thinking of the plight of those poor Somalian terrorist cocksuckers. You do realize that the Maersk Alabama was loaded with food for the Somalian people that these pirates were attempting to hijack for personal gain. Piracy has become big business in that area. The best thing that could happen there is a few cruise missiles sent "special delivery" to their training camps, and armed decoy freighters to provide them with surprise parties when they attempt to board. Up until now piracy in that area has been a low cost, low risk, high reward enterprise. I have a feeling that is about to change. |
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george9219 wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b... Gee. I'm glad you posted that link. I'm sobbing all over my keyboard thinking of the plight of those poor Somalian terrorist cocksuckers. You do realize that the Maersk Alabama was loaded with food for the Somalian people that these pirates were attempting to hijack for personal gain. Well, one man's terrorist cocksucker is another man's unemployed fisherman who never meant to kill anyone. Piracy has become big business in that area. Fishing used to be a way to eke out a meager existence. The best thing that could happen there is a few cruise missiles sent "special delivery" to their training camps, and armed decoy freighters to provide them with surprise parties when they attempt to board. Up until now piracy in that area has been a low cost, low risk, high reward enterprise. I have a feeling that is about to change. The rule of law is better than lawlessness. But it's not unreasonable to realize that lawlessness can sometimes be justified. I don't feel qualified to sit in judgment of Somali pirates, but then I've got one of those liberal, bleeding hearts. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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From the Navy SEALs' creed: "My loyalty to country and team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans, always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own. I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men. ... In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates and accomplish the mission. ... I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish our mission. I am never out of the fight." |
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On Apr 13, 8:39*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b... -- Ken Fortenberry I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em whenever we can. Here is the story I am worried about. In recent months a number of Somali young men from Minneapolis and a few from Seattle have been "disappearing." There has been some back channel rumours of US based Somalis being involved in the business and money laundering side of the pirate business. My suspicious mind is saying maybe these Somali Muslim youth were not headed for terrorist camps; maybe they were headed for positions in the pirate operations. Maybe when some of the former pirates are transformed into bodies, we will be in for some enlightenment and hopefully my suspicions will have been unwarranted. If they ARE US residents, and captured, I think they need to face something akin to treason charges. Dave |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b... I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em whenever we can. Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica is good enough for those Somali *******s. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Apr 13, 2:51*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: DaveS wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b.... I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em whenever we can. Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica is good enough for those Somali *******s. -- Ken Fortenberry There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging "Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed support. If we would have just let things happen we could have negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a coast guard and fishing zone protection operation. Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid operations in East Africa. Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically bankrolled with Norwegian money Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst *******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests, and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage. Dave |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote: baited breath Baited breath? Yuck! That can't be good for you. d;o) |
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On Apr 13, 4:03*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote: baited breath Baited breath? *Yuck! *That can't be good for you. d;o) Ya its a great ting. Dey going to serve de herring und de lutefisk in dem school lunch program here. Did I tell you de one bout Evil Torkelson yumping hes rototiller over 6 barrels of dat lutefisk? Two of de barrels is going to de boys on de USS Bainbridge and de others are saving for der Bin laudins funeral. Ya you betcha. Dave |
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On Apr 13, 2:51 pm, Ken Fortenberry wrote: DaveS wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b... I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em whenever we can. Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica is good enough for those Somali *******s. -- Ken Fortenberry There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging "Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed support. If we would have just let things happen we could have negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a coast guard and fishing zone protection operation. The "pirates" are still a minor nuisance. It's only American hubris and American macho swaggering that elevated the targeting of an American cargo ship to a national security issue. Most reasonable folks agree that so long as the pirates don't harm anyone, and they haven't, it's just good sense to pay the pittance and move along. Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid operations in East Africa. ... Give me a break. The "pirates", one of whom was all of 16 years old, had no idea what was on the cargo ship or under what flag it was flying. Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically bankrolled with Norwegian money Yeah well, **** the Japs and the Spanish and the Norwegians and the Italian mafia too. The point being killing all Somalis whenever we have the chance isn't going to solve the underlying problem. Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst *******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests, and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage. Yeah well, start a new thread about US subsidized warlords in the Congo. This thread is about Somalia. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Apr 13, 4:48*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: DaveS wrote: On Apr 13, 2:51 pm, Ken Fortenberry wrote: DaveS wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b.... I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em whenever we can. Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica is good enough for those Somali *******s. -- Ken Fortenberry There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging "Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed support. If we would have just let things happen we could have negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a coast guard and fishing zone protection operation. The "pirates" are still a minor nuisance. It's only American hubris and American macho swaggering that elevated the targeting of an American cargo ship to a national security issue. Most reasonable folks agree that so long as the pirates don't harm anyone, and they haven't, it's just good sense to pay the pittance and move along. Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid operations in East Africa. ... Give me a break. The "pirates", one of whom was all of 16 years old, had no idea what was on the cargo ship or under what flag it was flying. Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically bankrolled with Norwegian money Yeah well, **** the Japs and the Spanish and the Norwegians and the Italian mafia too. The point being killing all Somalis whenever we have the chance isn't going to solve the underlying problem. Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst *******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests, and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage. Yeah well, start a new thread about US subsidized warlords in the Congo. This thread is about Somalia. -- Ken Fortenberry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well first I don't think I implied we should kill all Somalis, but I have no problem with going after those that would kill our citizens and attack our civilian merchant marine. Our right to that reaction is basic to our sovereignty as a nation. Obama was briefed something like 17 times on the situation, and authorized use of force to free the American twice. The Somali "Elders" we were negotiating with were not into releasing the Captain or turning over the kidnappers for law enforcement type action in Kenya, and the captors had already shot at the captain once.. You do know that the Indian, French and one other Navy has already had armed run-ins with these folks before, right? One hostage was killed recently. And second, on the Congo thing, maybe you are right. Dave Hang in there. |
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Caca snipped.
Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. Works for me. Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. Dave |
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On Apr 13, 5:43*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. *When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. *You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. *Works for me. *Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. *Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. * Dave Dave, Given that ~ 20,000 ships annually pass through those waters and the pirates only got 111 ships last year (70 some so far this year), the economic costs (let alone the legal, moral, safety - if an oil tanker- and other considerations) of providing trained armed security and weaponry (at least 3 expensive - probably need 6 for very large ships - trained extra crew members + night vision goggles + the weapons themselves) for every ship plying those waters would exceed the money paid out in ransom. The piracy needs to be stopped but there are probably better ways to do it. Ken, As valid as the grievances that the Somalis have are, they cannot justify outright theft and extortion. When they travel 200 and more miles from their coast just to seek out their prey of merchant ships for the lucrative returns they provide, they cannot claim that they are protecting the integrity of their country or doing it because they are hungry. Reports I have read say that many of the pirates are building villas and buying luxury cars with the income from their piracy. If true, and I have little reason to doubt the reports, that's greed not hunger. BTW although the Somalian piracy is in the news - the problem is almost as bad around in the Malacca straits and other restricted waterways in SE Asia. Bob Weinberger Bob Weinberger |
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Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. *Dave I guess you can argue anything......but the Somali pirates are pirates and I am sure not taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Wrong is wrong. Have to agree with Dave. Quite inexpensive given the alternative. Man's a sorry lot... Guy |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:13:16 -0700, "asadi"
wrote: Maybe I have lost focus here....but these people are dirt floor poor, okay? I did have have hopes that the Navy opened up with one of those mini-guns where their tracers look like a torch light, but my greatest kick was hearing the news media trying to dramatize this event by saying it was long range sniper fire at 35 meters! ****, those boys can put a knife in your eye at that distance...hell, my greatest fear is getting belligerant drunk and ****in' off a seal. But back to the dirt floor poor, I wonder how many people here have ever seen dirt floor poor....seen the people sorting through the garbage from a US base just to get food....or seen a village downstream from where Vectren was spraying Agent Orange to eradicate a cocoa crop. I have. Hey, Africa is a **** hole and it's going to be a **** hole for years to come....it takes an iron fisted tyrant like Sadam to create any sense of stability.... No food, no water, no fish...Sorry boys, but if it was me and mine or yours.....I'd steal from you to feed mine. ....and those 'pirates' well, google it up and tell me if they ever robbed and raped tourists....molested the crew and stole the crew's possesioins....or was it only holding the tanker so that the 'nameless' big corporations would pay and not the family of the little man.... Ken, damned good link but I think maybe a little too much for some of the little people here....you have to educate them little by little... I don't stand, I beg to be corrected... FWIW, it reminds me of a guy who gets caught robbing a jewelry store and claims he did it to feed his family...if he had been caught breaking into a grocery store, it might be a little easier to consider mitigating circumstances, if for no other reason, it's the difference between armed robbery and simply burglary, if you will. Moreover, if their demands were for food and medicine, or the wanted international media coverage to shine a light on the alleged problem, that too would tend to lend credence to the whole "po' folks trying to survive" thing. While no one, myself included, can say what motivates every single one of these folks, I'd offer that given what goes on in many Somali camps mesh with seemingly objective reports from many of these "pirates" camps - at least a large portion of these pirates are in it for monetary gain well beyond feeding staving families and they aren't sharing with those in need. But the simple fact is that while one might favor the aforementioned mitigation in the case of the starving trying to survive, if society allows lawlessness, lawlessness will prevail. IMO, poor starving fishermen from such a background don't resort to using automatic weapons and RPGs to hold hostages. They, well, they pick through the garbage at a base or similar - IOW, the desperate things honest people do are just different from the things dishonest people do, and given what you've seen, I'd guess that you've seen that, too. TC, R ....and on an off topic NOTE, the spring rains are in full tilt and I've been to the shop getting ready for the sprin run of smallmouth! john |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:43:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. Works for me. Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. Perhaps since your stock portfolio is down and you're an old sea dog warrior with some SuperWaders, maybe you could pick up some coin to help you through your dotage... Here's an old seal trick - if you run out of bull-yets...throw your ball at them...or slap 'em with a mackerel... HTH, R Dave |
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Maybe I have lost focus here....but these people are dirt floor poor, okay?
I did have have hopes that the Navy opened up with one of those mini-guns where their tracers look like a torch light, but my greatest kick was hearing the news media trying to dramatize this event by saying it was long range sniper fire at 35 meters! ****, those boys can put a knife in your eye at that distance...hell, my greatest fear is getting belligerant drunk and ****in' off a seal. But back to the dirt floor poor, I wonder how many people here have ever seen dirt floor poor....seen the people sorting through the garbage from a US base just to get food....or seen a village downstream from where Vectren was spraying Agent Orange to eradicate a cocoa crop. I have. Hey, Africa is a **** hole and it's going to be a **** hole for years to come....it takes an iron fisted tyrant like Sadam to create any sense of stability.... No food, no water, no fish...Sorry boys, but if it was me and mine or yours.....I'd steal from you to feed mine. .....and those 'pirates' well, google it up and tell me if they ever robbed and raped tourists....molested the crew and stole the crew's possesioins....or was it only holding the tanker so that the 'nameless' big corporations would pay and not the family of the little man.... Ken, damned good link but I think maybe a little too much for some of the little people here....you have to educate them little by little... I don't stand, I beg to be corrected... .....and on an off topic NOTE, the spring rains are in full tilt and I've been to the shop getting ready for the sprin run of smallmouth! john |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. Works for me. Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. Dave Have gun, will travel. Wire John. |
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On Apr 13, 6:30*pm, wrote:
Dave, Given that ~ 20,000 ships annually pass through those waters and the pirates only got 111 ships last year (70 some so far this year), the economic costs (let alone the legal, moral, safety - if an oil tanker- *and other considerations) of providing trained armed security and weaponry (at least 3 expensive - probably need 6 for very large ships - trained extra crew members + night vision goggles + the weapons themselves) for every ship plying those waters would exceed the money paid out in ransom. *The piracy needs to be stopped but there are probably better ways to do it. Ken, *As valid as the grievances that the Somalis have are, they cannot justify outright theft and extortion. When they travel 200 and more miles from their coast just to seek out their prey of merchant ships for the lucrative returns they provide, they cannot claim that they are protecting the integrity of their country or doing it because they are hungry. *Reports I have read say that many of the pirates are building villas and buying luxury cars with the income from their piracy. *If true, and I have little reason to doubt the reports, that's greed not hunger. BTW although the Somalian piracy is in the news - the problem is almost as bad around in the Malacca straits and other restricted waterways in SE Asia. Bob Weinberger Bob Weinberger- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Picking up on what Bob said in the first paragraph. . . . The disruption is bigger and more significant than has thus far been acknowledged. First, Mombasa, down the coast in Kenya is the most important semi modern port in East Africa. We are dealing with a continuing harassment of one of the Worlds and certainly Africa's, main trade routes. Mombasa is THE main port for food aide, and a good portion of the commodities that Central and East Africa support themselves with. Second: You want some real ****? How about shredding the supply chain that feeds Mombasa and triggering a famine that spreads across Africa, with massive waves of hunger and instability driven migration. A disaster in short. And the kind of hunger disaster that has happened in scale before in modern history. It is simply not acceptable that some street gang-bangers-with-outboards get to threaten the other couple hundred millions of people in that part of Africa. Third: Certainly Somalia needs some form of government. And at this point just about any form of *******-on-a-camel centralized rule will do. I don't see that its our job to decide for them, shell out tons of money, or do anything on the ground but just let it happen. Even if its the "Islamic Courts" I don't give a ****. But what we need to do NOW for our own interests, and what we can do cheaply is cull some of the bad guys, the arsonists, the few hundred that are playing with matches on the African powder keg. This is why we have a Navy. Fourth: The fishing thing. Hey, its not us this time. There ARE other *******s in the World folks. In this Case Japan, Spain, Norway, and a few other are the rapacious interlopers on the Somali offshore resource. And its a problem in other places where they exploit weakness or corruption. Some aide to the ultra poor countries to buy/ train for better coast guard and resource protection might be a better aide buy than repeat food aide. But right now these guys are pirates who have gone far over the line. And think about it . . .right now they have lots of new boats, crews, a mother ship or two, weapons, excellent communications, and yet . . . are they protecting a Somali fishing fleet? Nope. Why? They are pirates. Dave Where is JR. He knows this part of the World, ditto Riverman? |
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On Apr 13, 7:56*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:43:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. *When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. *You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. *Works for me. *Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. *Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. * Perhaps since your stock portfolio is down and you're an old sea dog warrior with some SuperWaders, maybe you could pick up some coin to help you through your dotage... Here's an old seal trick - if you run out of bull-yets...throw your ball at them...or slap 'em with a mackerel... HTH, R Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I guess I think light. The right 3 guys firing 22 hornets would seem enough, except maybe for the man firing thru the bow porthole. Dave |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:39:53 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann..._b_155147.html A few questions: 1. If Obama is such a smart, savvy guy, why didn't he know what this guy on the huffingtonpost "knows"...? 2. If he didn't know, why not? 3. If he did know, why did he order his military to kill these poor starving freedom-fighting members of the Somali Coast Guard Auxiliary? 4. Whatever he knew, why in the hell is the President of the United States issuing press briefs bragging about how he personally gave the go ahead for the take-down...? HTH, R |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:25:47 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Another side of the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann..._b_155147.html A few questions: stupid **** snipped Damn, the antenna on your tinfoil hood is *smokin'* this morning ! I hope you remembered to put an oven mitt on top of your head before you put your hood on this morning. Antenna gets that worked up you could burn a hole on your pate. I could be wrapped in layers of tin foil separated by oven mitts, but that still leaves a few questions, based upon your own cite above and recent claims: 1. If Obama is such a smart, savvy guy, why didn't he know what this guy on the huffingtonpost "knows"...? 2. If he didn't know, why not? 3. If he did know, why did he order his military to kill these poor starving freedom-fighting members of the Somali Coast Guard Auxiliary? 4. Whatever he knew, why in the hell is the President of the United States issuing press briefs bragging about how he personally gave the go ahead for the take-down...? HTH, R |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: A few questions: stupid **** snipped Damn, the antenna on your tinfoil hood is *smokin'* this morning ! I hope you remembered to put an oven mitt on top of your head before you put your hood on this morning. Antenna gets that worked up you could burn a hole on your pate. I could be wrapped in layers of tin foil separated by oven mitts, but that still leaves a few questions, based upon your own cite above and recent claims: **** *STILL* too stupid to merit a response snipped You'd think that with the antenna shaking like a dog passing a peach pit there'd be something better than silliness going on there at the Uh oh, tee-hee, tsk, tsk, tsk desk this morning. Is that all you got today Rick Bean Deancounter ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:10:37 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 13, 7:56*pm, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:43:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. *When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. *You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. *Works for me. *Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. *Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. * Perhaps since your stock portfolio is down and you're an old sea dog warrior with some SuperWaders, maybe you could pick up some coin to help you through your dotage... Here's an old seal trick - if you run out of bull-yets...throw your ball at them...or slap 'em with a mackerel... HTH, R Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I guess I think light. I'd agree with that... The right 3 guys firing 22 hornets would seem enough, Yeah, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman...hey, no need to be sexist in this comic-book idea of yours... except maybe for the man firing thru the bow porthole. Oh, there's a fourth guy firing forward...that'll make all the difference in the world, then... ....and on the downside, your plan consists of having four guys with varmint rifles trying to defend over an acre of floating, unarmored target in the middle of the ocean against a potential swarm of small boats of unknown armoring crewed by unknowns with unknown weapons... ....yeah, there's no chance such a bit of military genius might result in a major mess, complete with civilian crews being dragged around offshore right off of Mogadishu like ****ing teasers and made into chum... Geez, how is it you never made Lord High Admiral, there, Sarge...? HTH, R Dave |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:39:08 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: A few questions: stupid **** snipped Damn, the antenna on your tinfoil hood is *smokin'* this morning ! I hope you remembered to put an oven mitt on top of your head before you put your hood on this morning. Antenna gets that worked up you could burn a hole on your pate. I could be wrapped in layers of tin foil separated by oven mitts, but that still leaves a few questions, based upon your own cite above and recent claims: **** *STILL* too stupid to merit a response snipped You'd think that with the antenna shaking like a dog passing a peach pit there'd be something better than silliness going on there at the Uh oh, tee-hee, tsk, tsk, tsk desk this morning. Is that all you got today Rick Bean Deancounter ? So, anyway, tin foil, oven mitts, dogs passing peach pits, tee-hee desk, etc., etc., etc., right, gotcha...so that just leaves those few still-unanswered questions: 1. If Obama is such a smart, savvy guy, why didn't he know what this guy on the huffingtonpost "knows"...? 2. If he didn't know, why not? 3. If he did know, why did he order his military to kill these poor starving freedom-fighting members of the Somali Coast Guard Auxiliary? 4. Whatever he knew, why in the hell is the President of the United States issuing press briefs bragging about how he personally gave the go ahead for the take-down...? HTH, R |
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asadi wrote:
Maybe I have lost focus here....but these people are dirt floor poor, okay? I did have have hopes that the Navy opened up with one of those mini-guns where their tracers look like a torch light, but my greatest kick was hearing the news media trying to dramatize this event by saying it was long range sniper fire at 35 meters! ****, those boys can put a knife in your eye at that distance...hell, my greatest fear is getting belligerant drunk and ****in' off a seal. But back to the dirt floor poor, I wonder how many people here have ever seen dirt floor poor....seen the people sorting through the garbage from a US base just to get food....or seen a village downstream from where Vectren was spraying Agent Orange to eradicate a cocoa crop. I have. Hey, Africa is a **** hole and it's going to be a **** hole for years to come....it takes an iron fisted tyrant like Sadam to create any sense of stability.... No food, no water, no fish...Sorry boys, but if it was me and mine or yours.....I'd steal from you to feed mine. ....and those 'pirates' well, google it up and tell me if they ever robbed and raped tourists....molested the crew and stole the crew's possesioins....or was it only holding the tanker so that the 'nameless' big corporations would pay and not the family of the little man.... Ken, damned good link but I think maybe a little too much for some of the little people here....you have to educate them little by little... I don't stand, I beg to be corrected... I don't want to sound like I approve of lawlessness or piracy on the high seas. I posted the link so that before folks started waving their flags, thumping their chests and working themselves into a red, white and blue bloodlust they had a chance to look at another side of the story. Somalia is a failed state, a lawless rogue state, and that's the crux of the problem. The problem isn't going to be solved by lobbing in a few cruise missiles or even killing every Somali "pirate" in the shipping lanes. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Apr 14, 10:50*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: asadi wrote: Maybe I have lost focus here....but these people are dirt floor poor, okay? I did have have hopes that the Navy opened up with one of those mini-guns where their tracers look like a torch light, but my greatest kick was hearing the news media trying to dramatize this event by saying it was long range sniper fire at 35 meters! ****, those boys can put a knife in your eye at that distance...hell, my greatest fear is getting belligerant drunk and ****in' off a seal. But back to the dirt floor poor, I wonder how many people here have ever seen dirt floor poor....seen the people sorting through the garbage from a US base just to get food....or seen a village downstream from where Vectren was spraying Agent Orange to eradicate a cocoa crop. I have. Hey, Africa is a **** hole and it's going to be a **** hole for years to come....it takes an iron fisted tyrant like Sadam to create any sense of stability.... No food, no water, no fish...Sorry boys, but if it was me and mine or yours.....I'd steal from you to feed mine. ....and those 'pirates' *well, google it up and tell me if they ever robbed and raped tourists....molested the crew and stole the crew's possesioins....or was it only holding the tanker so that the 'nameless' big corporations would pay and not the family of the little man.... Ken, damned good link but I think maybe a little too much for some of the little people here....you have to educate them little by little... I don't stand, I beg to be corrected... I don't want to sound like I approve of lawlessness or piracy on the high seas. I posted the link so that before folks started waving their flags, thumping their chests and working themselves into a red, white and blue bloodlust they had a chance to look at another side of the story. Somalia is a failed state, a lawless rogue state, and that's the crux of the problem. The problem isn't going to be solved by lobbing in a few cruise missiles... Agreed. No purpose achieved. ...or even killing every Somali "pirate" in the shipping lanes. Yes it will. Neatly solve the problem. I sympathize if your wife is dying of gung ho of the bung ho and your kids are starving and their skin is flaking off. But point a gun at me and you will die without negotiation. cheers oz, who has spent as much time in "depressed areas" as any bleeding brai....er, heart |
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MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: I don't want to sound like I approve of lawlessness or piracy on the high seas. I posted the link so that before folks started waving their flags, thumping their chests and working themselves into a red, white and blue bloodlust they had a chance to look at another side of the story. Somalia is a failed state, a lawless rogue state, and that's the crux of the problem. The problem isn't going to be solved by lobbing in a few cruise missiles... Agreed. No purpose achieved. ...or even killing every Somali "pirate" in the shipping lanes. Yes it will. Neatly solve the problem. I sympathize if your wife is dying of gung ho of the bung ho and your kids are starving and their skin is flaking off. But point a gun at me and you will die without negotiation. My oh my, a real tough guy. The substance is big and bad and macho but you really gotta work on your style. I mean, you get zero style points for that lame post. You should study the classics. Here, practice this in front of a mirror and don't forget to squint: But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? ... Well, do ya, punk? HTH -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On 2009-04-14, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I don't want to sound like I approve of lawlessness or piracy on the high seas. Could have fooled me. I posted the link so that before folks started waving their flags, thumping their chests and working themselves into a red, white and blue bloodlust..... .....as opposed to an anti- "jap", etc froth. they had a chance to look at another side of the story. Which has yet to be corroborated. Somalia is a failed state, a lawless rogue state, and that's the crux of the problem. Hitler's Germany was a "failed state". I'd love to hear your take on this one. The problem isn't going to be solved by lobbing in a few cruise missiles or even killing every Somali "pirate" in the shipping lanes. Yep. "The Man" is putting down the suppressed, so they have every right to sell crack. Hilarious. nb |
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On Apr 14, 4:20*am, wrote:
4. *Whatever he knew, why in the hell is the President of the United States issuing press briefs bragging about how he personally gave the go ahead for the take-down...? * HTH, R You keep repeating this Keenardo like it is true. In DC terms Obama has said very little about his role. That is the inside media take, so naturally you put up a lighter than air show stating the opposite. Thats lower division poly sci propaganda class ****. You shoulda hung around for the grad seminar and you would be a real asset to Whackjob Incorporated. Rick if you are going to do a limp imitation of Shawn Hannity, you need to read up on the masterminds of big lie propaganda, maybe Goebbels, one of the less strident North Koreans, or one of the traitorous NeoCon Trotskyite professors. Or maybe see if Rush's dealer is still selling those hygrade "pain killers." This **** is so pathetically "I hate this man almost as much as I hated the Kennedy's" even juxtaposed against the nauseous "cute little pirate," "misunderstood freedom fighter," "lets cuddle" stuff. Or maybe you think Obama should fly out to the USS Bainbridge or declare victory from the deck of a aircraft carrier hovering off the California coast? I could write your confusion off to "cabin fever" but you live in the South . Dave They were killed because they were pirates threatening to kill a kidnapped American citizen. No big deal. No big victory for Obama. Get used to it: Its just what a competent government does to protect its citizens from real threats. |
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On Apr 14, 5:44*am, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:10:37 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote: On Apr 13, 7:56*pm, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:43:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: Caca snipped. Arm every merchant vessel with a 50 cal. machine gun along with a qualified gunner. *When the pirates come into the effective range of that .50 (about 2000 yards), a short burst should easily dissuade anyone from being a threat. *You could also have another gunner with a 50 cal M107 (probably what the Seals used in rescuing our captain). If they insist, the gunner could cut the small craft in half with such a weapon and the M107 gunner could pick and choose the threats. *Works for me. *Leave the ships alone and the pirates can live as long as they want. *Really simple when you think about it. And, there are plenty of mercenaries world-wide that would/could do the job. * Perhaps since your stock portfolio is down and you're an old sea dog warrior with some SuperWaders, maybe you could pick up some coin to help you through your dotage... Here's an old seal trick - if you run out of bull-yets...throw your ball at them...or slap 'em with a mackerel... HTH, R Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I guess I think light. I'd agree with that... The right 3 guys firing 22 hornets would seem enough, Yeah, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman...hey, no need to be sexist in this comic-book idea of yours... except maybe for the man firing thru the bow porthole. Oh, there's a fourth guy firing forward...that'll make all the difference in the world, then... ...and on the downside, your plan consists of having four guys with varmint rifles trying to defend over an acre of floating, unarmored target in the middle of the ocean against a potential swarm of small boats of unknown armoring crewed by unknowns with unknown weapons... ...yeah, there's no chance such a bit of military genius might result in a major mess, complete with civilian crews being dragged around offshore right off of Mogadishu like ****ing teasers and made into chum... Geez, how is it you never made Lord High Admiral, there, Sarge...? HTH, R Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do not know what the Seal shooters used. I was giving my amature and dated opinion on an appropriate sniper round, given the info on the distance (close) and conditions. I am aware that the .223 center fire is a better wounding round and has wind issues at longer distances, etc.. But considering all the curved hard surfaces on that lifeboat I thought the .223 more likely to bounce around within the skull and be less likely to exit and find the captain Obviously there are lots of competent folk who feel that the .223 is not appropriate as a general take out sniper round. But it is very widely used around the world, for both military and police. The VC and the NVA used it . Dave |
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DaveS wrote:
... This **** is so pathetically "I hate this man almost as much as I hated the Kennedy's" ... That would be an exactly spot-on, hit-the-nail-on-the-head analysis except Rick is too young to have ever hated the Kennedys with the same pathetic, over-the-top, transparently rabid and thoughtless hatred he displays toward Obama. When he is able to twist a very minor asymmetrical military plus of Obama's into fodder for his Uh-oh, tee-hee desk you know the guy is nothing but a rabid, little bull****-puppy yapping at the ankles of the President. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Moreover, if their demands were for food and medicine, or the wanted international media coverage to shine a light on the alleged problem, that too would tend to lend credence to the whole "po' folks trying to survive" thing. TC, R .... Damned good point.....I've often thought that some of those we call terrorists are not properly using the public relations media.... john |
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