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Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere
If you're surrounded by idiots, it's time to change teams!
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...tch/index.html Hey, beancounter! You like apples? Well, how do you like *those* apples? |
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wow...i am impressed....not.........BFD.....
On Apr 28, 11:22*am, beansmasher wrote: If you're surrounded by idiots, it's time to change teams! http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...tch/index.html Hey, beancounter! You like apples? Well, how do you like *those* apples? |
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wow...i am impressed....not.........BFD.....
On Apr 28, 11:22*am, beansmasher wrote: If you're surrounded by idiots, it's time to change teams! http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...tch/index.html Hey, beancounter! You like apples? Well, how do you like *those* apples? |
Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere
"beansmasher" wrote in message ... If you're surrounded by idiots, it's time to change teams! http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...tch/index.html Hey, beancounter! You like apples? Well, how do you like *those* apples? THE best Senator in the US Senate, bar none!! Tom |
Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:39:44 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: "beansmasher" wrote in message .. . If you're surrounded by idiots, it's time to change teams! http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...tch/index.html Hey, beancounter! You like apples? Well, how do you like *those* apples? THE best Senator in the US Senate, bar none!! Tom Naaaahh. Joe Liebberman by a mile. At least Joe had the sense to change BY an election. The folks in PA elected a Republican, not a Democrat. If he wants to change to a Dem, do it BY an election, not by fraud. Do as Lieberman did; the Dems didn't want him to win the primary, so he lost the primary. But then he ran as an Independent and the good folks in CT reelected him. Speckey hasn't been a Republican for many years. I'm surprised he took the cheap way out. Thought he had more honor than that. Turn the lights out when you leave. |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Naaaahh. Joe Liebberman by a mile. no one by that name in the US Senate. Trust me. Joe and I go way back, and that isn't the spellingg I will give him high marks as a decent man, but Joe is loyal to his country, which, sadly, has been shown not to be the US, judged by his foreign policy choices(and choices in some of his advisors, btw). Arlen Specter works hard for his constituents, has helped a lot of individuals(many of them, most of them, NOT politically connected), and sticks to his guns. Do I always agree with him? Hell, no, but there is no one, and I mean no one, in PA politics I would rather have represent me in DC. Tom At least Joe had the sense to change BY an election. The folks in PA elected a Republican, not a Democrat. If he wants to change to a Dem, do it BY an election, not by fraud. Do as Lieberman did; the Dems didn't want him to win the primary, so he lost the primary. But then he ran as an Independent and the good folks in CT reelected him. Speckey hasn't been a Republican for many years. I'm surprised he took the cheap way out. Thought he had more honor than that. Turn the lights out when you leave. |
Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Naaaahh. Joe Liebberman by a mile. no one by that name in the US Senate. Trust me. Joe and I go way back, and that isn't the spellingg I will give him high marks as a decent man, but Joe is loyal to his country, which, sadly, has been shown not to be the US, judged by his foreign policy choices(and choices in some of his advisors, btw). Arlen Specter works hard for his constituents, has helped a lot of individuals(many of them, most of them, NOT politically connected), and sticks to his guns. Do I always agree with him? Hell, no, but there is no one, and I mean no one, in PA politics I would rather have represent me in DC. At least Joe had the sense to change BY an election. The folks in PA elected a Republican, not a Democrat. If he wants to change to a Dem, do it BY an election, not by fraud. Do as Lieberman did; the Dems didn't want him to win the primary, so he lost the primary. But then he ran as an Independent and the good folks in CT reelected him. Speckey hasn't been a Republican for many years. I'm surprised he took the cheap way out. Thought he had more honor than that. Turn the lights out when you leave. Pennsylvania has a "sore loser" law. If you run and lose in a Pennsylvania primary your name cannot appear on the ballot for the general election. If Lieberman lived in Pennsylvania he would have had to do the honorable thing; concede defeat and retire. As it is the slimy little **** weasel snuck back into the Senate through the back door of Connecticut oddity. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:43:19 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: no one by that name in the US Senate. Trust me. Joe and I go way back, and that isn't the spellingg No ****? You are now becoming a net nanny for a typo? I used his name twice and believe the second time it was correct, although I did have it as Liieberman before I changed it. What about the asshole you have for a senator......what'shisname...... oh, yeah, Dodd. Now *there's* a decent man...........hackvomitspittle..... Really, turn out the light when you leave. |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... No ****? You are now becoming a net nanny for a typo? I used his name twice and believe the second time it was correct, although I did have it as Liieberman before I changed it. just busting your stones. Your spelling goes out the window when you get wound up, and it's a hoot to watch! g ....oh, and don't get me started on Chris Dodd. A bigger ****-weasel I have never met. He impressed me with his sliminess when I was in grad school, and I've not gained an ounce of respect for him yet. Lieberman and I were on opposite sides for a while in the early 80's. He sent a large group of friends to my home to visit me once. I since gave him a political donation, one election in the past decade. I'm just not happy about his stance on foreign affairs, and his lack of respect for the opinions of his constituents. As for Specter, I have been impressed with him consistently over the 23 years I have lived in PA. Tom |
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Last year was the beginning of the attack on our wallets ...
And as hard as Bush tried, no one would listen about Fannie and Freddie. 08' was the beginning of the collapse of the real estate market caused by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and friends....and oh I left out the big cheese Mr Obama who was a lawyer for ACORN... you know ACORN, theyre the community organizing organization that ganged up on banks to force them to make bad loans to the poor by the millions? The democratic chickens have come home to roost my friend and now they have enough rope to hang themselves with... watch as the comedy continues... See you guys on your way out in 2010... seriously! |
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At Least Senator Joe is out in the open. Rep Harman (D-Calif) sells
out her country for a committee post. Democratic Congresswoman Harman Recorded by NSA bargaining with Israeli Spies If a full disclosure is published on Democratic Congressperson Jane Harman's screw up, the public might get a real dose of the confused loyalties of some of the Israeli espionage and influence peddling efforts that have long poisoned US policy and national interests in the Mideast. NSA and the FBI were tapping and conducting surveillance on a suspected Israeli espionage cell working out of AIPAC, the main Israeli lobby group based in DC. The target of this cell was the penetration of the Congressional intell committee members and staffers. Three individuals were busted. Messrs Farmer (A christian Zionist Arab hater of long standing), Rosen and Weisman. Farmer was charged, convicted and is serving time. AIPAC quickly dumped Rosen and Weisman, denied involvement, and on occasion has even denied they worked for AIPAC (disinformation.) The Bushies, embarrassed and afraid of the Israeli lobby, sidelined the case and brought waterdowned charges under an archaic 1917 Espionage Act, that carries 10 years for each count. As a result, infuriated counter intelligence professionals have been leaking info on the case because so much of the Washington establishment, both D and R want this thing to go away. The Obama DOJ is just as likely to cave in to the Israeli lobby on this one as was the Bush DOJ. But I don't count the Intell Pros out yet. There is real anger out there because it is believed by some that national security information that passed thru these "lobbyists" has shown up in unfriendly hands, and that Israeli defence industries have sold equipment with sensitive technology believed to heve come from the US. There is also fear that ignoring this problem will inevitably call into question loyalties of Americans conducting secret work, based on their religion. On the tape Democratic Congressperson Jane Harman is alleged to be heard bartering her influence to get the spy charges against Rosen and Weissman to go away in return for Israeli Lobby support for her in the Intelligence Committee hierarchy. So far Harmon and the Israeli lobby have raised a huge smokescreen of "NSA is spying on Congress" which has suceeded thus far in keeping attention away from Harmon's involvement in this espionage case, and the penetration of Israeli agents into the workings and staffing of Congress. "While the case has proceeded at a snail's pace in court, it gained renewed attention Monday after a report from Congressional Quarterly that Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., was overheard agreeing to seek lenient treatment for Rosen and Weissman. CQ attributed the information to anonymous current and former national security officials familiar with a transcript of the call recorded by the National Security Agency." April 21st Huffington Post Dave |
Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:43:19 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message .. . Naaaahh. Joe Liebberman by a mile. no one by that name in the US Senate. Trust me. Joe and I go way back, and that isn't the spellingg I will give him high marks as a decent man, but Joe is loyal to his country, which, sadly, has been shown not to be the US, judged by his foreign policy choices(and choices in some of his advisors, btw). Arlen Specter works hard for his constituents, has helped a lot of individuals(many of them, most of them, NOT politically connected), and sticks to his guns. Do I always agree with him? Hell, no, but there is no one, and I mean no one, in PA politics I would rather have represent me in DC. Tom A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him, but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Same decent guy, same principles, different label. So much for "one America" and bi-partisanship. OTOH, the GOP is being (semi)steered and encouraged (or blood-enraged) by a pack of morons. So, in the end, I don't guess it's so improper to see if the other pack of morons over across the aisle can't be more helpful... At least Joe had the sense to change BY an election. The folks in PA elected a Republican, not a Democrat. If he wants to change to a Dem, do it BY an election, not by fraud. Do as Lieberman did; the Dems didn't want him to win the primary, so he lost the primary. But then he ran as an Independent and the good folks in CT reelected him. Speckey hasn't been a Republican for many years. I'm surprised he took the cheap way out. Thought he had more honor than that. Oh, geezus-on-a-donkey, Dave, he's up in 2010 - if the urbane, savvy and wise voters of PA (certain persons obviously excepted) can't determine who to vote for without a partisan cheatsheet, well, then, they'll get the representation they deserve.... Turn the lights out when you leave. Um, well, maybe all the light-turning-out is a big part of the problem....hey, YMMV... And speaking of non-events, I took a **** this morning when I woke up.... HTH, R |
pussys jump ship....
only a pussy jumps ship when the
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:44:50 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: Last year was the beginning of the attack on our wallets ... And as hard as Bush tried, no one would listen about Fannie and Freddie. 08' was the beginning of the collapse of the real estate market caused by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and friends....and oh I left out the big cheese Mr Obama who was a lawyer for ACORN... you know ACORN, theyre the community organizing organization that ganged up on banks to force them to make bad loans to the poor by the millions? The democratic chickens have come home to roost my friend and now they have enough rope to hang themselves with... watch as the comedy continues... See you guys on your way out in 2010... seriously! You REALLY don't have a ****ing clue, do you...? I mean none, not a slight one, not a partial one, not a glimpse of one, just plain _none_... You're an devout, dyed-in-the-wool, confirmed, ain't-never-gonna-change idiot, so it can't possibly help, R |
pussys jump ship....
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:44:31 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: only a pussy jumps ship when the \going gets tough....good riddence... Let me be perfectly clear - I think you are a moron of very little political knowledge or insight - there is something ****ed-up about the GOP (and no, I'm not a member) and you and those whose think and act like you are what's ****ed up about it, just as your counterparts in the Dem party. You are not "a conservative," (or "liberal" or any other legitimate political persuasion of thought and consideration, even if miscalled or self-identified), you are simply an unintelligent reactionary, and IMO, an idiot. And there you are, R |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:59:09 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:43:19 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote: no one by that name in the US Senate. Trust me. Joe and I go way back, and that isn't the spellingg No ****? You are now becoming a net nanny for a typo? I used his name twice and believe the second time it was correct, although I did have it as Liieberman before I changed it. What about the asshole you have for a senator......what'shisname...... oh, yeah, Dodd. Now *there's* a decent man...........hackvomitspittle..... Really, turn out the light when you leave. Really? Really, REALLY? Try again. "Let's look at the first 100 days of the GOP. The new public spokesmen for the minority opposition are polarizing retreads -- former Vice President Dick Cheney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. The so-called new ideas are fewer taxes and less spending. They have lost a key congressional election. They have almost unanimously opposed every economic proposal in Congress. "Their reward? In the latest Washington Post-ABC News survey, only 21 percent now identify themselves as Republicans. Even stalwart GOPers are scared by those numbers, which are at the lowest level in 25 years. "We look like the Keystone Kops," grouses one GOP strategist. "The Americans are at a point where they want something done. And they can't choose when they don't see another option." So, you got those lovely poll numbers working for you. I suggest you carry a flashlight 24/7 from now on, because where your party is heading - nay - already arrived - you're going to need it. |
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dem drivel...
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:10:48 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: dem drivel... .pointless..... Er, yeah... **** you, R And lest anyone doubt, the opinions expressed herein are very much mine, I claim them, and no, nobody, save the recipient, encouraged the expression of that opinion in any way whatsoever. |
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On Apr 28, 7:44*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
Last year was the beginning of the attack on our wallets ... ...... I left out the big cheese Mr Obama who was a lawyer for ACORN... you know ACORN, theyre the community organizing organization that ganged up on banks to force them to make bad loans to the poor by the millions? Last time it was the Jews running the banks, now its the multi- colored ACORNS "forcing" multi-billion dollar int'l conglomerates to give away their money, eh? |
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wrote in message ... A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him, but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Obama and he have worked together well from the git-go. What the heck are you talking about? Tom |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:39:07 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message .. . A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him, but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Obama and he have worked together well from the git-go. What the heck are you talking about? Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration support him regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best person for the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather than "I think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..." And I gotta say, hearing about Biden's role in this has made me lose respect for him (Biden). From what I've read and heard, Specter switched _almost_ exclusively because the polls have him down _badly_ and it appears to him that he will lose as a Republican, his lip service to other reason(s) aside. And while I don't agree with much Steele has said thus far, I do agree, generally, with his assessment of Specter insofar as to what this says about his character the 2004 election. Frankly, it doesn't say much for the voters of PA, either, as they are doing the same thing as Obama. I hope he loses as a Dem (and I'd feel the same way if he went Dem to GOP), although I didn't know about the "sore loser" law. Ah, well, so be it - I still hope he loses in the primary (I don't care if Toomey wins the election). What'll really be karma is if there is swing back to the GOP (or really, an anti-party-in-power swing, and given the historical and current conditions, it's not impossible), and whoever runs as the GOP candidate hands him his ass simply because of being GOP, and then, turns out to be a really sorry-assed Senator for PA... Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good luck... TC, R Tom |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:31:20 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: wrote: A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him, but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Same decent guy, same principles, different label. ... It's not so much that Obama, et al. will support him it's that what's left of the Pennsylvania Republicans won't support him. Moderate Republicans turned Dem by the hundreds of thousands and the only folks left in the Pennsylvania GOP are the whackjobs. Specter can't win the GOP primary and because of Pennsylvania's "sore loser" law he can't run as an independent if he loses so he only has two choices; become an independent before the primaries or become a Democrat. Pennsylvania, like most states, makes it onerous and expensive for third party and independent candidates to get on the ballot so he's now a Democrat. And speaking of non-events, I took a **** this morning when I woke up.... I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political quiver. And if history is any teacher, 2010 and 2012 will see a pretty heavy swing to the GOP, for both anti-"party-in-power" reasons and some pro-GOP reasons. And the really scary thing about it is that idiots like Limpdick seem to be steering the ship. If Jindal and those like him will stay true to their (real) principles and take over, it would be a good thing. TC, R |
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FWIW - a smallish round-up of various opinions/commentary:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...src=newsletter R |
1st 100 days......1st 100 mistakes....what a bafoon...( not unlikehis "followers" ) .....
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On Apr 29, 5:44*am, wrote:
SNIP Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good luck... TC, R Here, let me help you. 1. Why did Specter switch and why does Obama now support him? a. Duh, because politicians try to get elected? b. Because the Pres. needs his vote? 2. Why are you focusing on Specter? a. Because it would be nice if the public didn't notice that your dead ender friends in Congress have been filibustering most of Obama's health appointments in the face of an epidemic? b. Because you have finally done the required reading on the Bush/ Cheney torture initiatives and learned that the definition of pain you said was weenie level, turns out to be ORGAN FAILURE, among other things. c. To spin your version of "non-partisanship" which presently ignores the FACT that Specter could not have been re-elected so many times in P.A unless MANY DEMOCRATS crossed party lines and voted for the man, not the party. Here, you want a good venue to work your magic? Lots of complexity, mixed loyalties, etc? Wait for it . . . Rep. Jane Harman, (D Calif), caught on NSA tape trading help for Israeli Spies to get Intel Chairmanship. Jane was caught red handed on tape bartering her help in getting indictments surpressed for 2 Israeli agents, working as AIPAC lobbyists, who are charged with spying. The targets of the spy cell were the congressional intelligence committee members and staff. Buried by the Bushies, and a hot potato for the Obamites, anonomous and angry intell professionals are leaking info on this tape, while Jane and the Israeli lobby spins an "illegal NSA tapping of Congress" story, to keep the media away from the espionage part of the story. The intell pros and some in the FBI are angry because sensitive information and technology they believe was passed thru the "lobbyists" has appeared in equipment sold by the Israelis to folks not necessarily friendly to the US. Even one of your fave whipping girls, (Pelosi) is involved. Dave |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political quiver. actually, Ken, I don't think Specter's defection affects the chances of a filibuster on many issues at all. What it DOES do, however, is open the gates for the defection of moderate Republicans, most especially in the Northeast and Northwest of the nation. Take, for example, Collins and Snowe in Maine. It will take very little of the conservative party-line BS like that issued today by Steele and McConnell to push either or both of those Senators into the D column. Not to mention, a host of elected officials nationwide. Moderate Republicans, like Specter, have been harassed, challenged and basically humiliated, politically, by an over-aggressive right wing orthodoxy in the GOP for a while now. For Specter, it was a case of payback is a bitch....and, while paying back, he kicked the Grand Old Party in the nuts on the way out the door. Good for him. Tom |
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wrote in message ... Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration support him regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best person for the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather than "I think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..." If you will recall a private conversation we had, I told you that not so much the administration, but the entire Democratic Party hierarchy in PA was planning to do just that.Not that Torasella is a bad guy, but Specter has friends. Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good luck... No problem. Sad to say, you are so off base from the reality of PA politics, the character of Arlen Specter or the makeup of the electorate here, I couldn't begin to rebut the snipped part of your message in this format. Just a brief comment: This has been in the works for over 3 years, the GOP more than had it coming from how Specter was treated(on a personal level....Steele is full of **** up to his eyeballs), and Specter will run in the Dem primary unchallenged next Spring and win the general election by at least 25 percent.Guar-on-teed Tom |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political quiver. actually, Ken, I don't think Specter's defection affects the chances of a filibuster on many issues at all. Yeah, but it does make the *threat* of a filibuster less credible. My point is that the threat of a filibuster is almost as powerful as an actual filibuster. ... For Specter, it was a case of payback is a bitch....and, while paying back, he kicked the Grand Old Party in the nuts on the way out the door. Good for him. Amen to that. The way I heard it the last straw for Specter was when the big-money folks on the far right fringe decided to finance Toomey in the primary. Specter has an agreement in hand that he won't be challenged in the Dem primary, he's no fool, and he should win easily over Toomey in the general election. Sorry, Rick. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:40:59 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message .. . Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration support him regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best person for the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather than "I think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..." If you will recall a private conversation we had, I told you that not so much the administration, but the entire Democratic Party hierarchy in PA was planning to do just that.Not that Torasella is a bad guy, but Specter has friends. Man, this is politics, EVERYBODY has "friends"...darned few have _friends_...I suspect that if Specter switched yet again (this is, what, the second or third time, no?), Reid, especially, and perhaps even Biden would call Steele for permission to borrow his speech... Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good luck... No problem. Sad to say, you are so off base from the reality of PA politics, the character of Arlen Specter or the makeup of the electorate here, I couldn't begin to rebut the snipped part of your message in this format. FWIW, I'm not off-base with the reality of PA politics - I fully and freely admit I know very little about them. As to the electorate, I know a little more than the old "Pitt-Philly-Alabama" bit, but not much more. I do remember some really weird data out of PA in November that actually supported that bit, but ??? As to Specter's character, I'll take your word to a point, but at the end of the day - he's a pol, so he ain't all THAT straight and narrow, and my assessment of him, IMO, remains - it just wasn't a classy (or even particularly savvy) move, as "classy" passes in politics, esp. after his track-record on such. Consider Phil Gramm - say what you will about him, and there's plenty to say, but he did the ol' switcheroo with class. I'd offer that deep down, even his "friends" will always harbor a doubt about exactly how loyal to whatever he really is - again, as passes for "loyalty" in politics... Just a brief comment: This has been in the works for over 3 years, the GOP more than had it coming from how Specter was treated(on a personal level....Steele is full of **** up to his eyeballs), and Specter will run in the Dem primary unchallenged next Spring and win the general election by at least 25 percent.Guar-on-teed Oh, hey, when it comes to the particulars of PA politics, I'll take your word for it, obviously. All I saw was some poll numbers that showed whatever the "actual" Republican's name is was ahead of Specter something like 55-25% or something, for what (very) little that'll mean in 2010. And as an aside, what's up with Biden and Reid? Both seem to be claiming that they are his bestest buddy ever and each seems to be claiming they are the one that secretly flipped him. If I had to guess, based on, IIRC, Specter and Biden actually being "friends"/_friends_, Biden would have been the guy, and Reid's just doing a Schumer-meets-Pelosi imitation, but ??? TC, R Tom |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:31:33 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political quiver. actually, Ken, I don't think Specter's defection affects the chances of a filibuster on many issues at all. What it DOES do, however, is open the gates for the defection of moderate Republicans, most especially in the Northeast and Northwest of the nation. Take, for example, Collins and Snowe in Maine. It will take very little of the conservative party-line BS like that issued today by Steele and McConnell to push either or both of those Senators into the D column. Not to mention, a host of elected officials nationwide. Moderate Republicans, like Specter, have been harassed, challenged and basically humiliated, politically, by an over-aggressive right wing orthodoxy in the GOP for a while now. For Specter, it was a case of payback is a bitch....and, while paying back, he kicked the Grand Old Party in the nuts on the way out the door. Good for him. The only problem in doing too much nut-kicking when you're doing the paying-back is that folks remember it when they get to repay you...and I suspect that the GOP will put an inordinate effort into paying Specter back... TC, R Tom |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... The way I heard it the last straw for Specter was when the big-money folks on the far right fringe decided to finance Toomey in the primary. again. They did it before, and failed, mainly due to support from Democrats switching parties to back Specter(I was one....somewhere, I kept the registration receipt listing me as a Republican. I figured I could get into exclusive Republican hangouts with itg). Specter has an agreement in hand that he won't be challenged in the Dem primary, he's no fool, and he should win easily over Toomey in the general election. actually, Joe Torriselli is still in the race, but since his wife and Rendell's worked together, and Joe worked at the Constitution Center Specter helped get funding for, an accomodation will be made, well before next Spring. You are correct about the last part. I would be shocked if Toomey got the 42% that Santorum got. The state's populace is simply sick to death of right-wing Republicans, especially those of an overtly religious nature. Tom |
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wrote in message ... All I saw was some poll numbers that showed whatever the "actual" Republican's name is was ahead of Specter something like 55-25% or something, for what (very) little that'll mean in 2010. it would have held up. The GOP base(the ones that would vote in a Primary) is down in PA, by a huge degree. What remains is a VERY extreme right-wing segment. Over 600,000 people have switched from GOP to either independant or Democratic over the past 7 or 8 years. That's a massive, massive shift. Even in my, semi-rural, neck of the woods, what used to be a 80-20 GOP edge in registration is down to 50-50. Tom And as an aside, what's up with Biden and Reid? Both seem to be claiming that they are his bestest buddy ever and each seems to be claiming they are the one that secretly flipped him. As I hear it, Reid, as Senate leader, has been lobbying Specter for 3 years to do this. Biden, OTOH, has probably been at it for around 20, in a far more light-hearted fashion. Who really did the trick?? I suspect that the PA State Chair and Governor probably had more to do with it than Reid or Biden. Remember that deal I mentioned that was in the works for the GOP primary? They were the ones lobbying for that little end run, and just managed to sweeten the deal enough(combined with the GOP ****ing off a cranky old guy once too many times) to be able to pull off what is a sweet piece of politics. Tom |
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wrote in message ... ..and I suspect that the GOP will put an inordinate effort into paying Specter back... let 'em try. It will have laughable results. The GOP has **** on that man for years, by the way, so your assessment of his switch as less than classy is WAY off track. I mean personal snubs, political snubs, you name it. Anyone with an inkling of how bad the past 8 years have been for Arlen knows full well how restrained and classy his departure truly was. That guy had to be biting his tongue and restraining his thoughts in every public appearance yesterday. I know, or at least am willing to bet, that in private, he told more than one prominent Republican to **** themselves. And, they deserved it. Tom |
1st 100 days......1st 100 mistakes....what a bafoon...( not unlike his "followers" ) .....
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... drink up the koolaid folks...what a bunch of lemings... http://tinyurl.com/dhs7e4 for some reason, I undid the killfile, to discover old richie is still a one-trick pony. Dude, at least spell buffoon or lemming correctly. And, find something worth talking about. Until then, back to plonk Tom |
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representative walter "freedom fries" jones, jr is the the son of long
dead yellow-dog democratic congressman walter b. jones - a congressman known for his long tenure, his excellent constituent work (through floyd lupton), and his alcoholism, and loved by most in eastern nc. jr., who was a member of the democratic party and a state representative, was elected to his father's congressional seat as a republican after his father's death...in 1994, he switched from the party his father loved and promoted, and that loved and elected his father...solely because there was no way a democrat would get elected back in those dogmatic conservative republican, reagan-yipping years. there is a flat as hammered ****, arrogant, and selfish nature in people that seeps a noxious stench when they are politicians fretting over the need for their own re-election. jeff wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:40:59 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote: wrote in message ... Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration support him regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best person for the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather than "I think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..." If you will recall a private conversation we had, I told you that not so much the administration, but the entire Democratic Party hierarchy in PA was planning to do just that.Not that Torasella is a bad guy, but Specter has friends. Man, this is politics, EVERYBODY has "friends"...darned few have _friends_...I suspect that if Specter switched yet again (this is, what, the second or third time, no?), Reid, especially, and perhaps even Biden would call Steele for permission to borrow his speech... Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good luck... No problem. Sad to say, you are so off base from the reality of PA politics, the character of Arlen Specter or the makeup of the electorate here, I couldn't begin to rebut the snipped part of your message in this format. FWIW, I'm not off-base with the reality of PA politics - I fully and freely admit I know very little about them. As to the electorate, I know a little more than the old "Pitt-Philly-Alabama" bit, but not much more. I do remember some really weird data out of PA in November that actually supported that bit, but ??? As to Specter's character, I'll take your word to a point, but at the end of the day - he's a pol, so he ain't all THAT straight and narrow, and my assessment of him, IMO, remains - it just wasn't a classy (or even particularly savvy) move, as "classy" passes in politics, esp. after his track-record on such. Consider Phil Gramm - say what you will about him, and there's plenty to say, but he did the ol' switcheroo with class. I'd offer that deep down, even his "friends" will always harbor a doubt about exactly how loyal to whatever he really is - again, as passes for "loyalty" in politics... Just a brief comment: This has been in the works for over 3 years, the GOP more than had it coming from how Specter was treated(on a personal level....Steele is full of **** up to his eyeballs), and Specter will run in the Dem primary unchallenged next Spring and win the general election by at least 25 percent.Guar-on-teed Oh, hey, when it comes to the particulars of PA politics, I'll take your word for it, obviously. All I saw was some poll numbers that showed whatever the "actual" Republican's name is was ahead of Specter something like 55-25% or something, for what (very) little that'll mean in 2010. And as an aside, what's up with Biden and Reid? Both seem to be claiming that they are his bestest buddy ever and each seems to be claiming they are the one that secretly flipped him. If I had to guess, based on, IIRC, Specter and Biden actually being "friends"/_friends_, Biden would have been the guy, and Reid's just doing a Schumer-meets-Pelosi imitation, but ??? TC, R Tom |
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such. *Consider Phil Gramm - say what you will about him, and there's plenty to
say, but he did the ol' switcheroo with class. *I'd offer that deep down, even OK I will say what I will . . . Class? Gramm? You would be leaving out the parts about he and his wife being up to their greedy chiny chin chins in ENRON, right? Gramm wrote the notorious "ENRON Loophole," and his wife made mucho moola as a board member. Remember? And that one he pulled trying to make it legal to sell what ever Saddam wanted to buy, literally weeks before Iraq invaded Kuwait, right? Gramm helped set the new lower bar for venality and selling out America during his disgusting career. He was great at sucking fat cat hind tit, I will give him that. Dave |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:56:28 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
Er, look, Sgt. Duck, I'm not motivated enough to find one of the "I don't know"/you're a loon posts and CnP it, so let this serve.... HTH, R |
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