Seychelles
 

I haven't paid much attention to ROFF since my ISP dropped it. It
seems to have been largely depopulated, and what's left is mostly
pointless political drivel between rdean and a few others.

Anyway, be that as it may, a while ago I went to the Bahamas with
Willi (remember Willi?) and we had a great DIY bonefishing trip.
Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March. The place is ultra fancy (http://
http://www.angleradventures.com/Seyc...Seychelles.htm) -- much fancier
than I'm used to -- but the fishing is supposed to be incredible.

It looks like the ROFF clave tradition is carrying on with Penns. I
never made it to that one. I wish all you Penns clavers tight lines.

Seychelles
 

On 4-May-2009, " wrote:

and what's left is mostly
pointless political drivel between rdean and a few others

What !!
You interrupted rdeans personal political forum???
The nerve!!!!\
This group does exist solely for his political dogma and drivel
and other extraneous crap that comes from his ****ed up mind!

Thererfore I am certain that many others are and will be going the way of
you and Willi
I have left at least twice and am on the verge again but then along comes a
topical post like yours

And there are truily still sojme good people (fishermen) here

Thanks

Seychelles
 

On May 4, 9:24*pm, " wrote:
I haven't paid much attention to ROFF since my ISP dropped it. It
seems to have been largely depopulated, and what's left is mostly
pointless political drivel between rdean and a few others.

Anyway, be that as it may, a while ago I went to the Bahamas with
Willi (remember Willi?) and we had a great DIY bonefishing trip.
Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March. The place is ultra fancy (http://www.angleradventures.com/Seyc...Seychelles.htm) -- much fancier
than I'm used to -- but the fishing is supposed to be incredible.

It looks like the ROFF clave tradition is carrying on with Penns. I
never made it to that one. I wish all you Penns clavers tight lines.

yeah, steven, i can dig it. personally, i had a neat little break
with willi down east in the old north state this past october. this
newsgroup is tits up. i just check in from time to time, hoping to
catch a trip report.
on the subject of bonefish--if you ever get the chance, try a trip
to bonaire, just north of venezuela, between aruba and curacao. fish
like maggots, not big, but so many, and such a solitary fishery. try
to find a guide with a greek name. about 15 years ago, i went there on
a whim, and he told me i was the first person that he ever saw fish
with a fly rod. mainly he was into live bait on a spinning rod, and
eyeballing plaintiff #2, who was greek herself. can't say i could
blame him. you fish knee deep in salt ponds that fill and empty
according to the tides. they are at the west end of the island. you
can't miss them.
ironically, about the only trout fishing i can handle these days
(after two rotor rooters on my lower legs) is the sort of thing we did
on the madison, or on penn's creek--something that doesn't require
hiking.
good to hear from you again. tell ol willi i said howdy.

Seychelles
 

On May 4, 7:45*pm, " wrote:

* *good to hear from you again. *tell ol willi i said howdy.

I will do that, Wayno. He told me about the NC adventure. We're
probably going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month, if the
weather cooperates, and we're thinking about a road trip in Alaska
this coming Fall.

Seychelles
 

On May 4, 9:45*pm, " wrote:


...*this newsgroup is tits up.

Hm.....yeah.....well.....somebody should have done something about
that.

g.

Seychelles
 

On Mon, 4 May 2009 19:45:39 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 4, 9:24*pm, " wrote:
I haven't paid much attention to ROFF since my ISP dropped it. It
seems to have been largely depopulated, and what's left is mostly
pointless political drivel between rdean and a few others.

Anyway, be that as it may, a while ago I went to the Bahamas with
Willi (remember Willi?) and we had a great DIY bonefishing trip.
Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March. The place is ultra fancy (http://www.angleradventures.com/Seyc...Seychelles.htm) -- much fancier
than I'm used to -- but the fishing is supposed to be incredible.

It looks like the ROFF clave tradition is carrying on with Penns. I
never made it to that one. I wish all you Penns clavers tight lines.

yeah, steven, i can dig it. personally, i had a neat little break
with willi down east in the old north state this past october. this
newsgroup is tits up. i just check in from time to time, hoping to
catch a trip report.
on the subject of bonefish--if you ever get the chance, try a trip
to bonaire, just north of venezuela, between aruba and curacao. fish
like maggots, not big, but so many, and such a solitary fishery. try
to find a guide with a greek name. about 15 years ago, i went there on
a whim, and he told me i was the first person that he ever saw fish
with a fly rod. mainly he was into live bait on a spinning rod, and
eyeballing plaintiff #2, who was greek herself. can't say i could
blame him. you fish knee deep in salt ponds that fill and empty
according to the tides. they are at the west end of the island. you
can't miss them.
ironically, about the only trout fishing i can handle these days
(after two rotor rooters on my lower legs) is the sort of thing we did
on the madison, or on penn's creek--something that doesn't require
hiking.
good to hear from you again. tell ol willi i said howdy.

Two words - flyrod and permit. And you can do it in the Keys. And flyfish for
permit there, too...

HTH,
R

Seychelles
 

On May 4, 8:04*pm, " wrote:
On May 4, 7:45*pm, " wrote:

* *good to hear from you again. *tell ol willi i said howdy.

I will do that, Wayno. He told me about the NC adventure. We're
probably going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month, if the
weather cooperates, and we're thinking about a road trip in Alaska
this coming Fall.

Various and sundry ROFFIANS on Sabatical are missed and not totally
forgotten, but don't under rate the need for change as a motivator, or
over rate the old days. Glad to hear you guys enjoy gettogethers.
Willie always reminded me of DaTonka, the White Buffalo Calf. I wrote
this a while ago about the old days.

Photons ya say there Laddie. Why back in the day we all had them
little Titchy Girls. They were called Photons they were all bundled
up
in cellophane britches wid a pee hole in em. Parade round the city
all
decked out in crepe paper an munching Buffalo Hump sandwiches.
TaTonka?
White Buffalo Clan they was.
Its the tale of Datonka, don't even get me started.

TaTonka

So we're sitting there nipping at the p buttons in the cold, checking
out the stars and the lights from Page, Arizona a ways out.
The whole day in the dirt. Picking out shards, little pieces of corn
and rabbit bone.
Sometimes even counting mouse turds.
Packard's idea.
Trust a ****ing Hawaiian to find us this job.


Begay comes over and tells Packard it is cool.
"Just get in at the end of the line when everybody goes into the
hogan."
Packard nods OK.
No nausea, just like he said.
And then they start moving and we shuffle dance on in like the rest,
following the old guy.

Very cool inside, like a kiva. Actually its pretty real.
One side half out of the ground. They fixed a crumbled wall
with goddamn cinder blocks.
They are who they are so Im not wanting to be critical.
So damn tired. Just lean in and let it flow.
High drama, fire, log ceiling, Dineah singing. dineah.
That buzz. Like droning Tibetans on TV.
Nobody does this **** in Jersey, and for sure not in South River.

The old guy, doing a hop step, moves aside for a white Bison calf
who,
in a fast walk, crosses the room, runs through the door and out
into the night on the Kaiparowits plateau.
DaTonka

Dave

Seychelles
 

wrote

Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March.


Re Bonefishing ... the actual fishing ... i.e. sight casting to big,
exciting prey ... appeals to me but whenever I see pictures of the
environment it doesn't turn me on at all, I'm just not a 'lottsa sun and
sand' kinda guy, I actually like to avoid both ... give me gray skies and
cool mountains over sunburn and warm beaches, anytime

Larry L ( who 'needs' to find some Winter fishing to extend the season, but
knows Bonefishing isn't it for me )

Seychelles
 

wrote

going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month,


Sheep Creek Res or ????


Larry L ( who is scheduled to go through that area around May 19th It
looks like the opener in YNP may be a bit blown out again this year .. too
early to tell, for sure .. if so I might do Sheep Creek area and then Silver
Creek ... instead of lower HFork then the Park, for the last part of May/
first part of June )

Seychelles
 

On May 5, 8:01*am, "Larry L" wrote:
wrote

going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month,

Sheep Creek Res or ????

Larry L ( who is scheduled to go through that area around May 19th * *It
looks like the opener in YNP may be a bit blown out again this year .. too
early to tell, for sure .. if so I might do Sheep Creek area and then Silver
Creek ... *instead of lower HFork then the Park, for the last part of May/
first part of June )

Probably Billy Shaw. That's the only one of the lakes I've fished.

If you're there look for my red F150 with a white Northstar popup
camper. You're welcome to stop by my place in Stanley. If you just ask
around someone will tell you where I live. There won't be much fishing
that time of year, though. I like the green drake hatch on the Big
Wood in June if the river isn't running too high.

Flats fishing is glorious and challenging, Larry, and pound-for-pound
sal****er game fish fight much harder than cold water species.

Seychelles
 

On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:01:01 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:


wrote

Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March.


Re Bonefishing ... the actual fishing ... i.e. sight casting to big,
exciting prey ... appeals to me but whenever I see pictures of the
environment it doesn't turn me on at all, I'm just not a 'lottsa sun and
sand' kinda guy, I actually like to avoid both ... give me gray skies and
cool mountains over sunburn and warm beaches, anytime

South-Central Colorado, like the Gunnison, Taylor, etc, up until June/July. Or
the British Isles...

Larry L ( who 'needs' to find some Winter fishing to extend the season, but
knows Bonefishing isn't it for me )

Um, "fishing" or _catching_?

TC,
R

Seychelles
 

On May 5, 8:16*am, wrote:
On May 5, 8:01*am, "Larry L" wrote:

wrote

going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month,

Sheep Creek Res or ????

Larry L ( who is scheduled to go through that area around May 19th * *It
looks like the opener in YNP may be a bit blown out again this year .. too
early to tell, for sure .. if so I might do Sheep Creek area and then Silver
Creek ... *instead of lower HFork then the Park, for the last part of May/
first part of June )

Probably Billy Shaw. That's the only one of the lakes I've fished.

If you're there look for my red F150 with a white Northstar popup
camper. You're welcome to stop by my place in Stanley. If you just ask
around someone will tell you where I live. There won't be much fishing
that time of year, though. I like the green drake hatch on the Big
Wood in June if the river isn't running too high.

Flats fishing is glorious and challenging, Larry, and pound-for-pound
sal****er game fish fight much harder than cold water species.

Oops. That was me who posted that -- didn't realize that I was logged
into a friend's gmail account.

Seychelles
 

a ( any ) trip to stanley is WELL worth the time.......


" You're welcome to stop by my place in Stanley "






On May 5, 9:41*am, " wrote:
On May 5, 8:16*am, wrote:





On May 5, 8:01*am, "Larry L" wrote:

wrote

going to fish Duck Valley in Nevada this month,

Sheep Creek Res or ????

Larry L ( who is scheduled to go through that area around May 19th * *It
looks like the opener in YNP may be a bit blown out again this year ... too
early to tell, for sure .. if so I might do Sheep Creek area and then Silver
Creek ... *instead of lower HFork then the Park, for the last part of May/
first part of June )

Probably Billy Shaw. That's the only one of the lakes I've fished.

If you're there look for my red F150 with a white Northstar popup
camper. You're welcome to stop by my place in Stanley. If you just ask
around someone will tell you where I live. There won't be much fishing
that time of year, though. I like the green drake hatch on the Big
Wood in June if the river isn't running too high.

Flats fishing is glorious and challenging, Larry, and pound-for-pound
sal****er game fish fight much harder than cold water species.

Oops. That was me who posted that -- didn't realize that I was logged
into a friend's gmail account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Seychelles
 

wrote


Um, "fishing" or _catching_?


mentalwanderingmode

I often make the point, and it's a valid one with me, that "fishing is just
the excuse" and enjoying the environment is my real pleasure from the
pursuit. Another thing I'm fond of repeating is that I trout fish because
"trout have such good taste in neighborhoods."


However, I can NOT say that I'd go fishing unless I expected to catch. I
do expect to catch. But, I will not bother to go out to "fish the water"
most times, unless I'm really needy at the moment .... I'm a "TroutHunter"
that is ****ed that the name is taken, already G.

I'd bet that 99% of the guys, here or elsewhere, that go fly fishing are
more serious about the need to catch than I am .... that is serious, in the
sense that they 'fish harder and longer each day" and consider numbers and
sizes caught a measure of the quality of the day, than myself.

However, I am very serious about my angling and get very irritated with
myself during my very frequent can't do anything right spells. And I
greatly enjoy the feeling of competence that comes with my rare days of good
success. A way of expressing my outlook might be, "IF I set out to catch
THAT fish, I expect to catch him or give it one hell of an effort. But, I
almost never set out to catch lots of fish, or unusually big ones, or ones I
can't find and see before casting, just THAT one currently demanding my
attention."

Clearly, big ones grab that attention a little bit more firmly, but I
totally understand something Craig Matthews told me. He told me that the
hardest he had ever fished was spending three full days trying to catch a
specific "8 inch fish" from an incredibly difficult lie on the Firehole.
He told me that when he finally fooled it he was elated in a way no 'big'
fish had every moved him because they had all been easier ... I understand.

I am FAR more likely to spend 5 hours on one fish I can't fool than 5 hours
moving along racking up the numbers ... my 'average' day is probably less
than 4 hours of away from the truck "fishing" and most of that is hunting
for a fish I want, not casting. But I have come back over and over to try
the same fish, hour after hour, day after day, many times over the years.
If the catching is good, I quickly start looking for the hardest fish to
catch. I have no real idea what the most fish I ever caught in a day was,
or even how big the biggest was ( although I remember most of the really big
ones ... if not in inches or pounds but in where and when and on what fly )


The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." Different strokes ... which is why I
daydream about New Zealand and Argentina in March, not the tropics.

/mentalwanderingmode

Seychelles
 

On Tue, 05 May 2009 18:08:25 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:


wrote


Um, "fishing" or _catching_?


mentalwanderingmode

I often make the point, and it's a valid one with me, that "fishing is just
the excuse" and enjoying the environment is my real pleasure from the
pursuit. Another thing I'm fond of repeating is that I trout fish because
"trout have such good taste in neighborhoods."


However, I can NOT say that I'd go fishing unless I expected to catch. I
do expect to catch. But, I will not bother to go out to "fish the water"
most times, unless I'm really needy at the moment .... I'm a "TroutHunter"
that is ****ed that the name is taken, already G.

I'd bet that 99% of the guys, here or elsewhere, that go fly fishing are
more serious about the need to catch than I am .... that is serious, in the
sense that they 'fish harder and longer each day" and consider numbers and
sizes caught a measure of the quality of the day, than myself.

However, I am very serious about my angling and get very irritated with
myself during my very frequent can't do anything right spells. And I
greatly enjoy the feeling of competence that comes with my rare days of good
success. A way of expressing my outlook might be, "IF I set out to catch
THAT fish, I expect to catch him or give it one hell of an effort. But, I
almost never set out to catch lots of fish, or unusually big ones, or ones I
can't find and see before casting, just THAT one currently demanding my
attention."

Clearly, big ones grab that attention a little bit more firmly, but I
totally understand something Craig Matthews told me. He told me that the
hardest he had ever fished was spending three full days trying to catch a
specific "8 inch fish" from an incredibly difficult lie on the Firehole.
He told me that when he finally fooled it he was elated in a way no 'big'
fish had every moved him because they had all been easier ... I understand.

I am FAR more likely to spend 5 hours on one fish I can't fool than 5 hours
moving along racking up the numbers ... my 'average' day is probably less
than 4 hours of away from the truck "fishing" and most of that is hunting
for a fish I want, not casting. But I have come back over and over to try
the same fish, hour after hour, day after day, many times over the years.
If the catching is good, I quickly start looking for the hardest fish to
catch. I have no real idea what the most fish I ever caught in a day was,
or even how big the biggest was ( although I remember most of the really big
ones ... if not in inches or pounds but in where and when and on what fly )


The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." Different strokes ... which is why I
daydream about New Zealand and Argentina in March, not the tropics.

/mentalwanderingmode

Here's an idea - go to the Keys, fish in the morning, and then find a nice cool
bar (or shopping or watching TV in your room or whatever) to hold up in when
it's really sunny (if it is the sun and not the heat you object to - it's rarely
what I'd call "miserable sticky-hot" in the Keys due to the breezes - sure, it's
not Chicago in the winter, but it's not New Orleans in August, either...).
Unless you want to play in the sand, you'll not have to set foot on a beach.

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

TC,
R

Seychelles
 

Re Bonefishing *... the actual fishing ... i.e. sight casting to big,
exciting prey ... appeals to me but whenever I see pictures of the
environment it doesn't turn me on at all, I'm just not a 'lottsa sun and
sand' kinda guy, I actually like to avoid both *... give me gray skies and
cool mountains over sunburn and warm beaches, anytime

Uh, move to Tacoma. You'll feel right at home.
Frank Reid
(still scraping off the rust)

Seychelles
 

On May 5, 11:08*am, "Larry L" wrote:

The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. * *But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. * ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." * *

You and she might feel differently after spending a winter in
Stanley. :-)

Like you say, different strokes. I always prefer to fish new places,
and I
seldom travel far to where I've already fished, unless it's on the on
the way
to somewhere new. We're very different in that regard, as you seem
to return to the same places every year.

One thing that really appeals to me about salt water
fly fishing is the novelty of it -- new species, new scenery, new
cultures.

I'm posting this from my motel room in The Muck (Winnemucca), on the
way to Idaho.
Not a lot of exotic culture here, but there's an excellent Mexican
restaurant
I always visit -- las Margaritas.

Seychelles
 

On 5-May-2009, "Larry L" wrote:

I often make the point, and it's a valid one with me, that "fishing is
just
the excuse" and enjoying the environment is my real pleasure from the
pursuit. Another thing I'm fond of repeating is that I trout fish
because
"trout have such good taste in neighborhoods."


However, I can NOT say that I'd go fishing unless I expected to catch. I

do expect to catch. But, I will not bother to go out to "fish the water"

most times, unless I'm really needy at the moment .... I'm a "TroutHunter"

that is ****ed that the name is taken, already G.

I'd bet that 99% of the guys, here or elsewhere, that go fly fishing are
more serious about the need to catch than I am .... that is serious, in
the
sense that they 'fish harder and longer each day" and consider numbers and

sizes caught a measure of the quality of the day, than myself.

However, I am very serious about my angling and get very irritated with
myself during my very frequent can't do anything right spells. And I
greatly enjoy the feeling of competence that comes with my rare days of
good
success. A way of expressing my outlook might be, "IF I set out to
catch
THAT fish, I expect to catch him or give it one hell of an effort. But,
I
almost never set out to catch lots of fish, or unusually big ones, or ones
I
can't find and see before casting, just THAT one currently demanding my
attention."

Clearly, big ones grab that attention a little bit more firmly, but I
totally understand something Craig Matthews told me. He told me that the

hardest he had ever fished was spending three full days trying to catch a
specific "8 inch fish" from an incredibly difficult lie on the Firehole.
He told me that when he finally fooled it he was elated in a way no 'big'
fish had every moved him because they had all been easier ... I
understand.

I am FAR more likely to spend 5 hours on one fish I can't fool than 5
hours
moving along racking up the numbers ... my 'average' day is probably less
than 4 hours of away from the truck "fishing" and most of that is hunting
for a fish I want, not casting. But I have come back over and over to
try
the same fish, hour after hour, day after day, many times over the years.
If the catching is good, I quickly start looking for the hardest fish to
catch. I have no real idea what the most fish I ever caught in a day
was,
or even how big the biggest was ( although I remember most of the really
big
ones ... if not in inches or pounds but in where and when and on what fly
)


The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal
to
me, I prefer the mountains." Different strokes ... which is why I
daydream about New Zealand and Argentina in March, not the tropics.

Beautiful and well expressed sentiments
Thank you.
We differ little in our approach to pescatorial pursuits and their environs
We also prefer cold crystal clear clean mountainous rivers to warmer waters
which I guess is why we live where we live
I care a little less about the catch than you and I may spend one day in
every 3 in Chile fishing - my wife less
The other 2 riding a horse or so , camera stuff and sightseeing
and
I certainly have been known to stop fishing on a very successful day because
I feel like I may be hurting the fiksh and I do not want to hurt any more
fish

When you do catch a fish that you have hunted and you presenred the fly and
landed him, in a perfect (for you) manner
It differs little than hitting a home run, Srtike 3 on theoutside corner for
a pitcher and playing in key and time w others in music at various clarified
moments stopped in time Perhaps like Charlie Choc's fotos
Perhaps that is the reason I fish and Still frequent this nutso group.

Manitas de Plata

Seychelles
 

wrote


You and she might feel differently after spending a winter in
Stanley. :-)


I brought the subject up to her thinking that if she thought a vacation on a
tropical island sounded great, the combination of pleasing her and some new
fishing might be enough to motivate a trip.






Like you say, different strokes. I always prefer to fish new places,
and I
seldom travel far to where I've already fished, unless it's on the on
the way
to somewhere new. We're very different in that regard, as you seem
to return to the same places every year.


I usually set out to visit some new places, but then I'm always torn between
that and going back to the places I really love. I sowed a lot of "fly
fishing oats" in my youth, and traveled a lot in the West, having one or two
night stands at many waters. Now I'm more satisfied by the intimacy of
long lived and thoroughly tested love than the titillation of a short new
flingG

Mainly, I have a passion for the Ranch section of the HFork. I'm positive
that 95+% of the anglers that do the short, name collecting, visit there
leave thinking the place is terrible fishing, I meet disappointed guys every
year. I listen to their complaints, tell them they are right, and
encourage them to not come backG.

It is a place that demands study and patience. As a friend says,"It is
what it is and you either love it or hate it." The study part of the
requirements is more interesting to me than catching fish ... the
micro-habitats are so varied that virtually every day you meet anglers that
'never saw a rise' and others that were in the middle of "an incredible
hatch" ( it's also common to catch a rising trout within a few dozen yards
of a guy bitching about 'no fish working,' ya gotta learn how to REALLY
look ). Turning the difference between right place and wrong place for
right now, from pure luck to the result of knowledge is my goal. I'm
nowhere near reaching it.

I get frustrated, I get routinely skunked, and I need to go somewhere less
demanding at times, but I'm always thinking about the Ranch, regardless of
where I'm tossing a fly .... must be loveG.

As you know, I also love Silver Creek, but it is WAY easier and one of the
places I go to repair my RanchDamaged Ego.



Larry L ( who just flashed on something that happened a few seasons ago ....
I was looking for risers and F___ moved in near me ( he and I have chatted
about retrievers and fishing several times ) and soon hooked a nice fish,
that got off. He then asked why I wasn't casting to the fish near me.
"What fish?" He pointed with his rod to a seam about 25 feet from me, and
started announcing each rise "there, there, again but over about a foot to
the left of the last one, threre back where he was " I looked and looked
and never saw the fish, I backed off and circled, trying to find better
lighting. I mumbled something to the effect of "you're full of ****,
there ain't no fish there" Invited, he moved next to me, cast where I
had been looking and ... yep, hooked a very nice 18" trout ... I DID see
that rise, but barely, the fly just went down. It was a revelation and
it's amazing how many fewer "no fish working" days I've experienced on the
Ranch since then )

Seychelles
 

On May 5, 12:08*pm, "Larry L" wrote:

The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. * *But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. * ..

Only a man who hasn't been there would say this, I think.

The sunburn in the islands is no worse than Montana's in July.
And a day on the flats--by yourself, wandering coral heads
and mangrove swamps--is a magical experience. There's always
a tinge of fear and caution too. What is knee deep now
might be waist deep at dusk. And you sure do not want to
be wading waste deep water in the dark. Bonefish, jacks,
barracuda and snappers are all fair game on a flyrod.

Evenings in the islands are hard to beat too: fire-roasted chicken,
fresh conch salad, smokes and Kalick with the guides, island music,
fresh limes right off the tree mixed with Haitian rum.
I ainever had that in West Yellowstone.
And I never ever caught a fish in Montana that spun the reel so
fast it would break your fingers.

Seychelles
 

"sandypittendrigh" wrote



Only a man who hasn't been there would say this, I think.

The sunburn in the islands is no worse than Montana's in July.
And a day on the flats--by yourself, wandering coral heads
and mangrove swamps--is a magical experience. There's always
a tinge of fear and caution too. What is knee deep now
might be waist deep at dusk. And you sure do not want to
be wading waste deep water in the dark. Bonefish, jacks,
barracuda and snappers are all fair game on a flyrod.

Evenings in the islands are hard to beat too: fire-roasted chicken,
fresh conch salad, smokes and Kalick with the guides, island music,
fresh limes right off the tree mixed with Haitian rum.
I ainever had that in West Yellowstone.
And I never ever caught a fish in Montana that spun the reel so
fast it would break your fingers.




I have to admit, you make it sound pretty good G


good to 'see ya' Sandy

Seychelles
 

On May 6, 2:43*pm, sandypittendrigh
wrote:
Evenings in the islands are hard to beat too:

Bonefish lodges tend to be god-awful places: magnets for self-
important type-A jerks.
The real trick is to find a room to rent, conch bars to eat at
and independent guides work with (at least until you're ready
to go out on your own).

Seychelles
 

On May 6, 2:16*pm, sandypittendrigh
wrote:
On May 6, 2:43*pm, sandypittendrigh
wrote:
* Evenings in the islands are hard to beat too:

Bonefish lodges tend to be god-awful places: magnets for self-
important type-A jerks.
The real trick is to find a room to rent, *conch bars to eat at
and independent guides work with (at least until you're ready
to go out on your own).

You're dead right about that. On the only full service guided bonefish
trip I've ever done (Christmas Island ten years ago) I ran into a
couple of real A-holes. But I also met some very nice people. Not all
rich people are jerks.

This Alphonse Island thing is a whole new level of price and luxury
for me. I fully expect to run into some snobbish Englishmen wearing
funny hats, and I'll be a little disappointed if I don't.

DIY sal****er trips are very challenging. It's hard to find a place
where you don't need both a boat and a guide. On the other hand, when
you are successful on your own the feeling of satisfaction is that
much greater. That was the kind of trip Willi and I had in the
Bahamas.

Seychelles
 

wrote


DIY sal****er trips are very challenging. It's hard to find a place
where you don't need both a boat and a guide.

that is one reason, I didn't mention, that I haven't pursued it more, even
at the daydream level

I don't think I'd be comfortable fishing with a guide ... I've never tried
.... It's not that I have anything 'ethically' against the idea, or
that I couldn't find the money if I raised the priority level .. it's that
.....


well, I've often thought of it as kinda like hiring someone to watch you
make love and throw in the occasional suggestion .... I can see how it might
speed learning and success, ... but, there are just things I prefer to learn
more privately G


Larry L ( who, maybe, has too personal a relationship with his fish ?? :-)

Seychelles
 

On May 5, 11:24*am, wrote:

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). *If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

So, if I read this right, you're saying that "fishing" is "going
socializing, drinking, bull****ting, eating, etc." and you really
don't care much if you "catch" any fish.

You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

Seychelles
 

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:48:09 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 5, 11:24*am, wrote:

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). *If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

So, if I read this right, you're saying that "fishing" is "going
socializing, drinking, bull****ting, eating, etc." and you really
don't care much if you "catch" any fish.

****ing amazing...you managed to read it right...that's exactly what I'm
saying...

You're not a fisherman.

Uh-huh. Give me, at most, a coupla-few hours scouting time on _any_ water on
earth, especially whatever water(s) you think yourself to be an expert, and I'd
be able to out-catch you using your own tackle. And on a tangentially-related
note, I'd say you are the one who isn't "a fisherman," you're nothing more than
a wannabe...just as in the whole of your life...

Everyone knows it,

Wow - everyone, huh? Geez, I had no idea that entire villages in China, or even
everyone in Hurley, MS, knew or cared...I'm touched...BTW, next time you are
polling them all on something, could ask them to send a single coin of their
local currency to St. Jude's for me? TIA!

so stop pretending.

Pretending what?

I don't know

Now, see, you shoulda just kept it simple...stupid...

what you're even doing here.

Right now, I'm annoying you - which, I must admit, is occasionally amusing...

Hee-hee-hee,
R

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:44 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

HTH,
R

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 5:10*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:44 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

HTH,
R

So now you and Fortenberry are getting all kissy kissy. ****ing
hilarious.

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 7 May 2009 05:24:41 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 7, 5:10*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:44 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

HTH,
R

So now you and Fortenberry are getting all kissy kissy. ****ing
hilarious.

Now, now, don't get too excited about..oh, wait - two guys "getting all kissy
kissy" - aw, what do I care? Go ahead, pleasure yourself...just remember,
Priscilla, I didn't ask, so please don't tell...

You're welcome,
R

Seychelles
 

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:45:31 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.
That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

The poor thing is so quick to take offense at the slightest hint
of disagreement,

Disagreement?

and to deliver offense in response,

In response to what? I hadn't responded in any way to him until he slap-fired
the first limpwristed salvo. And much like his slightly shorter turd of a
feather, Wolfgoat, I rapidly lose interest in his slow-witted maladjustment...

Kissy-kissy,
R
IBB-A, CPR

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 9:44*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:45:31 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.
That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

The poor thing is so quick to take offense at the slightest hint
of disagreement,

Disagreement?

and to deliver offense in response,

In response to what? *I hadn't responded in any way to him until he slap-fired
the first limpwristed salvo. *And much like his slightly shorter turd of a
feather, Wolfgoat, I rapidly lose interest in his slow-witted maladjustment...

Ever the dispassionate intellectual observer of human foibles,
eh? :)

giles

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 1:08*pm, wrote:

Hell Goat, I don't think I have seen such crabbyness since that time
those De-mo-lay boys slouched into the US 1 diner after a week's
retreat at the Ramrod Ranch. W;0))

Dave

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 3:27 pm, DaveS wrote:
On May 7, 1:08 pm, wrote:

Hell Goat, I don't think I have seen such crabbyness since that time
those De-mo-lay boys slouched into the US 1 diner after a week's
retreat at the Ramrod Ranch. W;0))

Dave

You're different than fortenberry, lacourse, barnard, janik, cook, et
al.......and the diminutive member. You've got a brain and a
rudimentary, if undirected, sense of common decency. What a ****in'
waste.

g.

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 7 May 2009 13:08:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 7, 9:44*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:45:31 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.
That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

The poor thing is so quick to take offense at the slightest hint
of disagreement,

Disagreement?

and to deliver offense in response,

In response to what? *I hadn't responded in any way to him until he slap-fired
the first limpwristed salvo. *And much like his slightly shorter turd of a
feather, Wolfgoat, I rapidly lose interest in his slow-witted maladjustment...

Ever the dispassionate intellectual observer of human foibles,
eh? :)

giles

For the ROFF acronym files:

"IBB-A, CPR"

"I b et b ig a c ertain p erson r esponds"

HTH,
R

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 9:23*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 13:08:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 7, 9:44*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:45:31 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.
That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

The poor thing is so quick to take offense at the slightest hint
of disagreement,

Disagreement?

and to deliver offense in response,

In response to what? *I hadn't responded in any way to him until he slap-fired
the first limpwristed salvo. *And much like his slightly shorter turd of a
feather, Wolfgoat, I rapidly lose interest in his slow-witted maladjustment...

Ever the dispassionate intellectual observer of human foibles,
eh? * * *:)

giles

For the ROFF acronym files:

"IBB-A, CPR"

"I b et b ig a c ertain p erson r esponds"

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

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Renowned political analyst, sought after social critic, sparkling bon
vivant AND prestidigitatious prognosticator!

HUZZAH!!

g.
and some of you boys STILL think this reeking turd has something to
say. :)

Seychelles
 

On May 7, 5:22*pm, wrote:
On May 7, 3:27 pm, DaveS wrote:

On May 7, 1:08 pm, wrote:

Hell Goat, I don't think I have seen such crabbyness since that time
those De-mo-lay boys slouched into the US 1 diner after a week's
retreat at the Ramrod Ranch. W;0))

Dave

You're different than fortenberry, lacourse, barnard, janik, cook, et
al.......and the diminutive member. *You've got a brain and a
rudimentary, if undirected, sense of common decency. *What a ****in'
waste.

g.

You are so right. I am going to get an agent and a new leisure suit
with my next Social Security check. Maybe some Italian shoes.
Dave
STELLA!
STELLA!

Seychelles
 

On Thu, 7 May 2009 21:13:28 -0700 (PDT), responded like a
well-trained puppy...

SNICKER,
R
....OK, I'm bored with this now...

Seychelles
 

On May 8, 7:28*am, wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 21:13:28 -0700 (PDT), responded like a
well-trained puppy...

SNICKER,
R
...OK, I'm bored with this now...

Yeah, I'd'a bet six million four hundred thirteen thousand three
hundred twenty seven dollars and ninety three cents you were going to
say that.

Moron.

giles