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In 1985 Ronald Reagan nominated a former US attorney from
Alabama to serve on the federal bench. The nominee appeared
before the Judiciary Committee in 1986 and even the Republicans
on the committee voted against him because he was just a little
too obviously racist. His nomination never made it to the full
Senate.

The GOP announced yesterday that Jeff Sessions will be installed
as ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

Yep. Same guy.

Obama needs to forget the bipartisan bull**** because it just
ain't ever gonna happen with the Neanderthals left in the GOP.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Tue, 05 May 2009 07:09:02 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

In 1985 Ronald Reagan nominated a former US attorney from
Alabama to serve on the federal bench. The nominee appeared
before the Judiciary Committee in 1986 and even the Republicans
on the committee voted against him because he was just a little
too obviously racist. His nomination never made it to the full
Senate.

And he was in the KKK, too...

The GOP announced yesterday that Jeff Sessions will be installed
as ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

Oh...I thought you were talking about Robert Byrd...

FWIW, Sessions isn't so much a overall "racist" as a "selective racist." While
some of his ideas are pretty bad and wrong, some are, well, VERY politically
incorrect but absolutely factually correct, insofar as the law is concerned.
IAC, IMO, he isn't fit to be a Federal Judge.

Yep. Same guy.

Obama needs to forget the bipartisan bull**** because it just
ain't ever gonna happen with the Neanderthals left in the GOP.

Hmmm...Orrin Hatch, then head of Committee on the Judiciary, suggested Ginsburg
(and Breyer) to Bill Clinton...

And FWIW, Sotomayor is rated as a "moderate" but also not well-liked by a lot of
bar peers, clerks, etc. But more importantly, she apparently believes that the
role of the judiciary is to set policy, among other pretty damning stuff. And
given her past actions, I think it entirely possible that she'll not be the
"liberal" you guilty white liberals want, but rather, she'll try to impress her
own sense of "the way I think it should be" rather than _the law_ on "the law"
and sometimes, the way she thinks it should be will most definitely not be what
GWLs think it should be. And because neither she nor GWLs are considering _the
law_, it most certainly not be the way _the law_ demands it to be.

Like I said, be very sure and careful when making demands - you're liable to get
exactly what you ask...

HTH,
R

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On May 5, 8:35*am, wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2009 07:09:02 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
In 1985 Ronald Reagan nominated a former US attorney from
Alabama to serve on the federal bench. The nominee appeared
before the Judiciary Committee in 1986 and even the Republicans
on the committee voted against him because he was just a little
too obviously racist. His nomination never made it to the full
Senate.

And he was in the KKK, too...



The GOP announced yesterday that Jeff Sessions will be installed
as ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

Oh...I thought you were talking about Robert Byrd...

FWIW, Sessions isn't so much a overall "racist" as a "selective racist." *While
some of his ideas are pretty bad and wrong, some are, well, VERY politically
incorrect but absolutely factually correct, insofar as the law is concerned.
IAC, IMO, he isn't fit to be a Federal Judge.

Yep. Same guy.

Obama needs to forget the bipartisan bull**** because it just
ain't ever gonna happen with the Neanderthals left in the GOP.

Hmmm...Orrin Hatch, then head of Committee on the Judiciary, suggested Ginsburg
(and Breyer) to Bill Clinton...

And FWIW, Sotomayor is rated as a "moderate" but also not well-liked by a lot of
bar peers, clerks, etc. *But more importantly, she apparently believes that the
role of the judiciary is to set policy, among other pretty damning stuff. *And
given her past actions, I think it entirely possible that she'll not be the
"liberal" you guilty white liberals want, but rather, she'll try to impress her
own sense of "the way I think it should be" rather than _the law_ on "the law"
and sometimes, the way she thinks it should be will most definitely not be what
GWLs think it should be. *And because neither she nor GWLs are considering _the
law_, it most certainly not be the way _the law_ demands it to be.

Like I said, be very sure and careful when making demands - you're liable to get
exactly what you ask...

HTH,
R

Richard, who do you think you are kidding?
EVERY one of Bush's Supreme Court appointments has been a member of
the ultra right-wing radical FEDERALIST SOCIETY organized by a group
of Yale closet racists and fascists. Alito, Scalia, and Roberts are
all members. You and every smug enemy of social progress and economic
justice takes considerable pleasure at this subversion of the
Constitution, and ,unfortunately, the Federalist Society cell within
the Supreme Court is the bastion of twisted neo fascist ideology and
extreme partisanship that threw the 2000 election to Bush.

I know of NO realistic Democrat or moderate Republican candidate for
appointment to the Supreme Court who is as pledged to the destruction
of the 20-21st century Constitution as are Alito, Scalia, and Roberts.
Obama could appoint several liberals and still not balance the Court
or fully protect the American people from the predation of corporate
interests and unearned privilege the right wing shills for.

Dave
Michael Savage, American Rightwing Hate Broadcaster, banned from
Britain, along w/ Hamas Terrorist Propagandist.

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On Tue, 5 May 2009 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Section 8 Daffy Duck
dribbled and raved:

EVERY one of Bush's Supreme Court appointments has been a member of
the ultra right-wing radical FEDERALIST SOCIETY organized by a group
of Yale closet racists and fascists. Alito, Scalia, and Roberts are
all members. You and every smug enemy of social progress and economic
justice takes considerable pleasure at this subversion of the
Constitution, and ,unfortunately, the Federalist Society cell within
the Supreme Court is the bastion of twisted neo fascist ideology and
extreme partisanship that threw the 2000 election to Bush.

I know of NO realistic Democrat or moderate Republican candidate for
appointment to the Supreme Court who is as pledged to the destruction
of the 20-21st century Constitution as are Alito, Scalia, and Roberts.
Obama could appoint several liberals and still not balance the Court
or fully protect the American people from the predation of corporate
interests and unearned privilege the right wing shills for.

Dave
Michael Savage, American Rightwing Hate Broadcaster, banned from
Britain, along w/ Hamas Terrorist Propagandist.

Yeah, and they're lizards from space in league with the Rockabilderchild Jews,
too...right, Daffy...?

And BTW, when do you propose Ann Claire Williams became any of the above...?

HTH,
R

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On May 5, 11:14*am, wrote:

Always can tell when I bust up one of your lighter than air shows:
Either you use the N word or the J word, incorporated into some sort
of lame attempt at Dada speak. (In this case its more like duhduh
speak.) Give it an hour and you will come up with some new lighter
than air show to pursue.

Richard, get used to it, your team lost. The cleanup crew has swept
out the stadium. They want to turn off the lights, and go home. Only
you and the other drunks left. Sleep it off. Your choices drove the
country right into the ditch. If you were not rich you would have a
clue as to what I am referring to. Folks wanted to give the other team
a chance to clean up the mess your team and policies made. Get used to
it.

Dave

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On Tue, 5 May 2009 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On May 5, 11:14*am, wrote:

Always can tell when I bust up one of your lighter than air shows:
Either you use the N word or the J word, incorporated into some sort
of lame attempt at Dada speak.

Yeah, it never has anything to do with your Davidickeian gibberish about various
world-controlling groups...who, weirdly, all seem to have something to do with
the Ivy League and various Skull and Bones of the Wolf's Scroll or the Pliers of
Zionery or the Sidecutters of the Temple Knights or some other "Angels and
Demons Code" nonsense...you know, sorta like...this:

Richard, get used to it, your team lost. The cleanup crew has swept
out the stadium. They want to turn off the lights, and go home. Only
you and the other drunks left. Sleep it off. Your choices drove the
country right into the ditch. If you were not rich you would have a
clue as to what I am referring to. Folks wanted to give the other team
a chance to clean up the mess your team and policies made. Get used to
it.

Dave

My team? OK, Daffy, tell me about "my team".....

Sheesh,
R

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On May 5, 12:39*pm, wrote:

My team? *OK, Daffy, tell me about "my team".....

Sheesh,
R

OK . . . Richard's Team
Funny you should ask. "Your Team" is simply shorthand for the
destruction handed to the American Republican Party by the convergence
of several radical rightest groups, first under the tutelage of Newt
Gingrich which led to electoral victory, and then most disastrously
the 8 years of looting, venality and mismanagement of GB.

A diverse set of groups came together including the radical govt
haters of the Grover Norquist school, feudalists like yourself, the
near Nazi fringe of the Gun lovers, the primitive evangelicals, the
Zionist "Neoconservatives," the anti democracy foundations and their
mock intellectual fronts (Coors, Heritage), the greed driven elements
of the NAM and the COC, and a few others. Each group thinking they
were using the others. The similarity of the role of the monarchists,
the German industrialists and the conservatives in the rise of
National Socialism is striking.)

The only unifying element for this coalition for the shilling, was
that each of the partners be given a free hand to steal, loot, cheat
and subvert in their primary sphere of interest. Consequently, the
evangelicals got to hobble science and education, and got some small
change in cash subsidies. Norquist and company got to harass
progressives across the country, plant rightwing grads of Liberty U
and such in "no show" and feather-bed jobs throughout the Federal
bureaucracy and the DOJ, and extort huge bucks as "lobbyists" for
companies like Microsoft until stockholders got wise. The Neo Cons got
the Iraq war they wanted and are still trying for a war with Iran. Big
Business got to subvert Federal environmental policy, step up
pollution, mountaintop removal, no bid contracts with the DOD and
foist more of the tax burden onto the middle class. etc etc. The
voters figured out the scam and said enough is enough, get out!

It was inevitable that with an ideology so dependent on greed, that
patriotism, American national interests, military readiness, national
prestige, jobs and financial soundness, and mainstream/moderate
Republicanism would be casualties of the unholy coalition that
was . . . YOUR TEAM. It will take a decade to clean up your mess.

Dave
Thanx for asking

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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
OK . . . Richard's Team
Funny you should ask. "Your Team" is simply shorthand for the
destruction handed to the American Republican Party by the convergence
of several radical rightest groups........



Who knew? g
Tom
p.s. who always gets a bit of a chuckle when folks opine about that of which
they know little. Whether it be Dave oversimplifying Rick, Rick taking the
word of 'Washington Insiders' to understand Arlen Specter's place in PA,
Forty expounding on Fawn Lake or Beancounter discussing damn near anything,
the same amusing end resultsbseg.

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On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On May 5, 12:39*pm, wrote:

My team? *OK, Daffy, tell me about "my team".....

Sheesh,
R

OK . . . Richard's Team
Funny you should ask. "Your Team" is simply shorthand for the
destruction handed to the American Republican Party by the convergence
of several radical rightest groups, first under the tutelage of Newt
Gingrich which led to electoral victory, and then most disastrously
the 8 years of looting, venality and mismanagement of GB.

A diverse set of groups came together including the radical govt
haters of the Grover Norquist school, feudalists like yourself, the
near Nazi fringe of the Gun lovers, the primitive evangelicals, the
Zionist "Neoconservatives," the anti democracy foundations and their
mock intellectual fronts (Coors, Heritage), the greed driven elements
of the NAM and the COC, and a few others. Each group thinking they
were using the others. The similarity of the role of the monarchists,
the German industrialists and the conservatives in the rise of
National Socialism is striking.)

The only unifying element for this coalition for the shilling, was
that each of the partners be given a free hand to steal, loot, cheat
and subvert in their primary sphere of interest. Consequently, the
evangelicals got to hobble science and education, and got some small
change in cash subsidies. Norquist and company got to harass
progressives across the country, plant rightwing grads of Liberty U
and such in "no show" and feather-bed jobs throughout the Federal
bureaucracy and the DOJ, and extort huge bucks as "lobbyists" for
companies like Microsoft until stockholders got wise. The Neo Cons got
the Iraq war they wanted and are still trying for a war with Iran. Big
Business got to subvert Federal environmental policy, step up
pollution, mountaintop removal, no bid contracts with the DOD and
foist more of the tax burden onto the middle class. etc etc. The
voters figured out the scam and said enough is enough, get out!

It was inevitable that with an ideology so dependent on greed, that
patriotism, American national interests, military readiness, national
prestige, jobs and financial soundness, and mainstream/moderate
Republicanism would be casualties of the unholy coalition that
was . . . YOUR TEAM. It will take a decade to clean up your mess.

Dave
Thanx for asking


Uh...yeah...

....lemmee guess, you applied to one or more Ivy League schools, they explained
that they didn't accept morons, you explained that you were a Mor_mon_, and they
explained that they thought you were a Presbyterian...oh, well, welcome to cinco
de cuatro, Daffy....

HTH,
R

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Tom Littleton wrote:
p.s. who always gets a bit of a chuckle when folks opine about that of which
they know little. Whether it be Dave oversimplifying Rick, Rick taking the
word of 'Washington Insiders' to understand Arlen Specter's place in PA,
Forty expounding on Fawn Lake ...

There is no Fawn Lake.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On May 5, 3:13*pm, wrote:

...lemmee guess, you applied to one or more Ivy League schools, they explained
that they didn't accept morons, you explained that you were a Mor_mon_, and they
explained that they thought you were a Presbyterian...oh, well, welcome to cinco
de cuatro, Daffy....

HTH,

No wrong again. People from my neighborhood were allowed to be HS shop
majors mostly. I worked construction and went to night high school and
college, and a private JC before a wealthy LDS Bishop steered me, a
gentile, to BYU with a check for a semester's tuition. I don't
tolerate slurs or attacks on Mormons willingly. Or on Witnesses for
that matter.

As to your presumptions about what I think about the Ivy League I will
just say this. Both my spawn were National Merit and had lots of
choices. One chose a NW public. The Ivys have been very generous and
even built a lab for the other.

As to your other concerns . . . .
1. The Club for Growth is no secret society. Anyone can easily learn
their major role in driving out moderates from the Republican Party.
They are very open about it and have been much in the news lately.
2. The Federalist Society is no a big secret. It has thousands of
members and its influence on the courts, their rightwing agenda and
"conservative" politics are only masked for folks with little
curiousity about politics. And the Society was founded at Yale and by
Yale law students and grads. (I was going to use the words "fascisti
in tweed jackets" but I am trying to be more sensitive this mpnth.)

Why do you think you can safely discount their existance and
influence? ROFFIANS read too you know? Dumbassed debating ploy if you
ask me. Im actually surprised you haven't been a member of one of
these more upscale Whackjob fellow traveler groups.

Dave
Y Señor, es el Cinco de Mayo. Levantase, Napoleon le mataron a tiros.
Viva Mejico libre.

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On May 5, 3:06*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...
OK . . . Richard's Team
Funny you should ask. "Your Team" is simply shorthand for the
destruction handed to the American Republican Party by the convergence
of several radical rightest groups........

Who knew? g
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom
p.s. who always gets a bit of a chuckle when folks opine about that of which
they know little. Whether it be Dave oversimplifying Rick, Rick taking the
word of 'Washington Insiders' to understand Arlen Specter's place in PA,
Forty expounding on Fawn Lake or Beancounter discussing damn near anything,
the same amusing end resultsbseg.

I always get 2 or 3 full chuckles when you play this superiority card
without adding any substance or specifics whatsoever,Then again in a
month or two, when you catch up on the reading, and repeat and cherry
pick that which you previously discounted. Subscribe to my weekly
audio service and make better use of drive time. It comes with a
workbook, trading cards and a funny hat. E;0))

Dave

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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
.. Subscribe to my weekly
audio service and make better use of drive time. It comes with a
workbook, trading cards and a funny hat. E;0))

now THAT does not surprise me.
Tom

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On May 6, 2:24*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...
. Subscribe to my weekly
audio service and make better use of drive time. It comes with a
workbook, trading cards and a funny hat. * E;0))

now THAT does not surprise me.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Good. Wish you and all the Penn clavers a great week on the waters,
safe and productive fishing, matchable hatches and safety on the
roads. Have fun Tom.

Dave

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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
Good. Wish you and all the Penn clavers a great week on the waters,
safe and productive fishing, matchable hatches and safety on the
roads. Have fun Tom.

Thanks, and do try and make it out here once, before I get sick of throwing
these shindigsg. You missed my sarcastic point, however. I wasn't
commenting on your lack of knowledge or insight into the various
conspiracies.
You see, I just never trade in that sort of tinfoil-hat type of stuff, no
nothing of them beyond the fact that the whole story sounds sort of
paranoid, and, thus, wouldn't question that you have better information than
I. It was your speculating as to whether Rick bought into that stuff, which,
as far as I can tell, he has provided no real insight into.
Tom

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On May 6, 3:01*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

I do sometimes pine for Pennsylvania (and North Jersey believe it or
not) streams and limestoners in the early Spring. Maybe next year. Its
been a while.Until then I will just maybe settle for reading Fox, Meck
or Marinaro. Thank you for the special invite.

On the other stuff: Well its the characterization of the CLUB FOR
GROUTH and the Federalist Society in driving moderates out of the
Republican party, as "... tinfoil-hat type of stuff..." grates. The
Club for Growth is one of the best known, richest rightwing PACs. Here
is a link to an "On Point" show that dealt with the Club, and Specter.
Thats not "tin foil" or Dave's paranoia.

http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/...e-their-future

As to what Richard knows/believes: Richard operates on a few levels.
First, his discourse leaves traces of one who info grazes 1-2 levels
beyond the casual. But much that he writes on ROFF is spin.
Bottomline, I would not believe Richard is ignorant of the Club for
Growth. He knows that to most people, "Club for Growth" has no
significance. So as a debating tactic, he can dismiss it as an arcane
irrelevance, and be in tune with some of what most people already
believe. Its a standard debater's tactic, and a fave of spinning
wingers.
Complexity and conspiracy are different things.

Anyway, catch one or two for the Gipper.

Dave
Next year at Penn's

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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
Dave
Next year at Penn's


.....and, don't blame me if everyone tells you, "you should have been here
LAST year!"
Tom