fly shops closed
 

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

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mu wrote:
In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

Three reasons I can think of:

1. Internet commerce.

2. Cabelas, Bass Pro, etc.

3. No decent fly fishing anywhere near Silicon Valley, at least that I
know of.

Every fly shop I've been to in Silicon Valley has been a yuppie haven
for A River Runs Through It aficionados. They sell more in clothing and
designer umbrella stands and hand carved walking sticks than they do fly
fishing gear.

When I'm in the SF Bay Area and I need fly fishing stuff I go to:

Leland Fly Fishing Outfitters
www.flyfishingoutfitters.com
463 Bush St. (at Grant)
San Francisco, CA 94108
(415) 781-3474

Not cheap, but a good selection and helpful staff.

It's right opposite the Grant St. entrance to Chinatown.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Aug 14, 12:21*am, rw wrote:
mu wrote:
In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. *Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? *Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

Three reasons I can think of:

1. Internet commerce.

2. Cabelas, Bass Pro, etc.

3. No decent fly fishing anywhere near Silicon Valley, at least that I
know of.

Every fly shop I've been to in Silicon Valley has been a yuppie haven
for A River Runs Through It aficionados. They sell more in clothing and
designer umbrella stands and hand carved walking sticks than they do fly
fishing gear.

When I'm in the SF Bay Area and I need fly fishing stuff I go to:

Leland Fly Fishing Outfitterswww.flyfishingoutfitters.com
463 Bush St. (at Grant)
San Francisco, CA 94108
(415) 781-3474

I'll second the Leland outfitters. Also, they have a very cool fly
tying hat.
Frank Reid

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On Aug 13, 11:31*pm, mu wrote:
In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. *Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? *Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

We're losing them here in the Northeast. A few in southern and central
NH have closed recently, and a well known shop on the Farmington River
will be closing later this year. The closest shop to me is about 25
miles, and the owner is an asshole, so I do most of my shopping online
or at shows.

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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? I'll take RW's word that they are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

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wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu

Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure.

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mr.rapidan wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu
Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure.

it's not just the assholes...sadly. but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. a conundrum.
walk farther.

jeff

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jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:



it's not just the assholes...sadly. but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. a conundrum.

walk farther.

jeff

Believe me, I walk the appropriate walk, wherever I am, and I do realize
that it's selfish, but I'd be happier with fewer folks flyfishing. Like,
I hope there are 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf movies for every
flyfishing movie in the next few years.

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mr.rapidan wrote:
I hope there are 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf movies for every
flyfishing movie in the next few years.

Golf is what happens to Fisherman who lead unrighteous
lives and then, well, die.

-T

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"mr.rapidan" wrote in message
...
jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:



it's not just the assholes...sadly. but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. a conundrum.

walk farther.

jeff

Believe me, I walk the appropriate walk, wherever I am, and I do realize
that it's selfish, but I'd be happier with fewer folks flyfishing. Like,
I hope there are 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf movies for every
flyfishing movie in the next few years.

We have lived in a remarkable age... We have seen the demise of the cowboy
while the prairies were abundant.

The fields we hunted in, the lakes and ponds we swan in are now paved over
shopping malls.

We see the parks we used to take for granted now taking reservations all
summer long.

The poor keep ****in', the immigrants keep ****in' and comin' and no one
talks about sustainable life for our planet. Oh maybe sustainable if you
like Soylent Green...

We are the last of our kind, no wires plugged into our head, no micro-chips
in our sold reporting to 'Clave Central" or Carnivore if you will.....

What was it Red Cloud sad? Something like, 'The white men have won. But as
long as I have a spear and horse I'm going to live like an Indian?"

......okay..RDean, pull me out of the titty bar in the Quarter and let me
have another beer....


John

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"John B" wrote in message
...

"mr.rapidan" wrote in message
...
jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:



it's not just the assholes...sadly. but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. a conundrum.

walk farther.

jeff

Believe me, I walk the appropriate walk, wherever I am, and I do realize
that it's selfish, but I'd be happier with fewer folks flyfishing. Like,
I hope there are 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf movies for every
flyfishing movie in the next few years.

We have lived in a remarkable age... We have seen the demise of the
cowboy while the prairies were abundant.

The fields we hunted in, the lakes and ponds we swan in are now paved over
shopping malls.

We see the parks we used to take for granted now taking reservations all
summer long.

The poor keep ****in', the immigrants keep ****in' and comin' and no one
talks about sustainable life for our planet. Oh maybe sustainable if you
like Soylent Green...

We are the last of our kind, no wires plugged into our head, no
micro-chips in our sold reporting to 'Clave Central" or Carnivore if you
will.....

What was it Red Cloud sad? Something like, 'The white men have won. But
as long as I have a spear and horse I'm going to live like an Indian?"

.....okay..RDean, pull me out of the titty bar in the Quarter and let me
have another beer....


John


sold=soul
sad=said


.....I've got to get a better spell check.........

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:26:31 -0400, jeff wrote:

mr.rapidan wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu
Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure.

it's not just the assholes...sadly. but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. a conundrum.
walk farther.

jeff

That all may be well and true, but that's not the point I was making. I'd offer
that while their "asshole"-ness may be up for discussion, their, um,
dumbass-ness, not so much...

TC,
R

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:53:04 -0700, "John B" wrote:

Oh maybe sustainable if you like Soylent Green...

Yeah, Axelrahmbama couldn't have found someone NOT named "Specter" to, um, pimp
their plan...? What, wasn't Grandma Killingsworth available...?

HTH,
R
.....or maybe Edward G. Robinson...

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On Aug 14, 9:19*pm, mr.rapidan wrote:
jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:
it's not just the assholes...sadly. *but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. *a conundrum..

walk farther.

jeff

Believe me, I walk the appropriate walk, wherever I am, and I do realize
that it's selfish, but I'd be happier with fewer folks flyfishing.

Hm.......pass on the "believe me" part.......just on principle. As
for walking "the appropriate walk" (hee hee), uh huh, we've all heard
that talk talked before. Selfish? Well, yeah, we'll take that on
faith. And, "happier with fewer folks flyfishing?.......we ALL know
exactly one guaranteed way for you to ensure that the number of folks
flyfishing is reduced by exactly one. Let's see you walk THAT walk,
eh sparky? :)

Like,
I hope there are 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf movies for every
flyfishing movie in the next few years.

Ever stop to wonder what 2 or 3 mystical beautiful golf courses can do
to a trout stream?

g.
who has heard faint mutterings about a planet populated (at least in
part) and run by adults.......but, given the limitations of "modern"
transportation, despairs of ever visiting it.

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On Aug 15, 8:11*am, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:26:31 -0400, jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. *Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? *Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu
Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? *I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. * There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure.

it's not just the assholes...sadly. *but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. *a conundrum.
walk farther.

jeff

That all may be well and true, but that's not the point I was making.

No, of course not......but then, what was, ainna?

I'd offer
that while their "asshole"-ness may be up for discussion, their, um,
dumbass-ness, not so much...

Thus demonstrating.....once again......that "BOTH!" is by no means out
of the question.

g.

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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:00:05 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:

On Aug 15, 8:11*am, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:26:31 -0400, jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. *Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? *Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu
Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? *I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. * There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure.

it's not just the assholes...sadly. *but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. *a conundrum.
walk farther.

jeff

That all may be well and true, but that's not the point I was making.

No, of course not......but then, what was, ainna?

I'd offer
that while their "asshole"-ness may be up for discussion, their, um,
dumbass-ness, not so much...

Thus demonstrating.....once again......that "BOTH!" is by no means out
of the question.

g.

Uh-huh...regardless of the worldly education that you have convinced yourself
you've managed to eke out for yourself, thus far, you're stupid...

Sheesh,
R

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On Aug 15, 10:54*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:00:05 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:11*am, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:26:31 -0400, jeff wrote:
mr.rapidan wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT), mu
wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. *Anyone
else seeing shops shut down? *Will we finally see those fire sales of
bamboo rods on eBay?

Mu
Is it just me or does anyone else find it somewhat telling that
Silicon Valley
can't (won't?) support brick-n-mortar stores...or that folks think
B-n-M are a
good business venture in such a place? *I'll take RW's word that they
are
ARRTI-inspired and stocked, but even so...

TC,
R

I'll confess that I'm ok with this if it means less people pressuring
streams. I do just hope it's mostly the assholes who are losing their
shops. * There are plenty of them running stores, that's for sure..

it's not just the assholes...sadly. *but, without people who love the
streams, we'll lose them for sure. less people can be found...but we
need more people to love our streams and what's in them. *a conundrum.
walk farther.

jeff

That all may be well and true, but that's not the point I was making.

No, of course not......but then, what was, ainna?

I'd offer
that while their "asshole"-ness may be up for discussion, their, um,
dumbass-ness, not so much...

Thus demonstrating.....once again......that "BOTH!" is by no means out
of the question.

g.

Uh-huh...regardless of the worldly education that you have convinced yourself
you've managed to eke out for yourself, thus far, you're stupid...

Well, it's certainly true that I'm no nukuler mixologist. And I can
hardly deny that I'm somewhat lacking in the fine points of gatorade
wader design.

Sheesh,

Indeed.....that is scarcely arguable.

g.

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george9219 wrote:
snip
The closest shop to me is about 25
miles, and the owner is an asshole, ...

Which direction?

I haven't been in a fly shop in a few years now. Of course, I'm not fishing
near as much as I used to either, but the annual trek to the fly fishing
show seems to keep me in supply.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Aug 13, 10:21*pm, rw wrote:

snip

Every fly shop I've been to in Silicon Valley has been a yuppie haven
for A River Runs Through It aficionados. They sell more in clothing and
designer umbrella stands and hand carved walking sticks than they do fly
fishing gear.

snip

Well the Orvis shop on El Camino and Embarcadero in Palo Alto did not
close. It just moved to Santana Row.

I have caught really beautiful (and small) wild trout in Silicon
Valley. But not what I would call terribly interesting fishing other
than the seemingly miraculous existence of it. Heard good things
about striper fishing in San Luis reservoir about an hours from here
but never actually made the trip. I think there probably is quite
good surf fishing that is untapped and secretive. But I've got no
time to fish these days so don't much matter either way.

Mu

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On Aug 17, 11:20*pm, "Tim J."
wrote:
george9219 wrote:

snip

The closest shop to me is about 25
miles, and the owner is an asshole, ...

Which direction?

I haven't been in a fly shop in a few years now. Of course, I'm not fishing
near as much as I used to either, but the annual trek to the fly fishing
show seems to keep me in supply.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

B&G Sporting in Westfield.
Our annual trip to the show, plus a little mail order usually takes
care of my needs.
Have you been getting out at all? The high water this year, plus a
couple of situations earlier in the season has limited my trips this
year as well.
Swift is still running at +/- 200 CFS, but with the new valve, most of
it is coming from the bottom, so the temp is under 60 deg, fishing is
slow.
All that said, I caught my best fish of the year, 21", on a streamer
near the "secret spot" on Monday.

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On Aug 13, 9:31 pm, mu wrote:

In the last year two fly shops in Silicon Valley have closed. Anyone

Hey Mu, sounds like you've migrated a bit north.

Lot's of stores selling non-essentials have closed. This is probably a
healthy adjustment.

My wife and I sat in a restaurant a couple blocks from Wall St. on a
weekend evening, we were the only ones in there (it wasn't fancy but
was ok, and was on the hotel's recommended walk-to list). Waitress
told many tales of woe, said weekdays (their bread and butter) weren't
much better.

OBROFF, a couple of days before that we canoed 16 miles down the
Delaware river, ending at the Delaware Water Gap. Passed two canoes
fishing; I asked how they were doing. The lady responded, "Nothing. We
never catch anything." I stupidly followed up with "What's in here?"
to which she logically replied "Nothing, as far as we can tell". Doh!

All that way and finally saw one painted turtle at the end, sunning on
a log.

Jon.

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george9219 wrote:
On Aug 17, 11:20 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:
george9219 wrote:

snip

The closest shop to me is about 25
miles, and the owner is an asshole, ...

Which direction?

I haven't been in a fly shop in a few years now. Of course, I'm not
fishing near as much as I used to either, but the annual trek to the
fly fishing show seems to keep me in supply.

B&G Sporting in Westfield.

Yeah, I quit going there at all. They don't even bother greeting customers
that come in.

Our annual trip to the show, plus a little mail order usually takes
care of my needs.
Have you been getting out at all?

Twice all year. It's a long, multi-layered story I'll bore you with when we
meet up.

The high water this year, plus a
couple of situations earlier in the season has limited my trips this
year as well.
Swift is still running at +/- 200 CFS, but with the new valve, most of
it is coming from the bottom, so the temp is under 60 deg, fishing is
slow.
All that said, I caught my best fish of the year, 21", on a streamer
near the "secret spot" on Monday.

Brown? 'Bow? Do tell.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Aug 19, 10:32*pm, "Tim J."
wrote:
george9219 wrote:
On Aug 17, 11:20 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:
george9219 wrote:

snip

The closest shop to me is about 25
miles, and the owner is an asshole, ...

Which direction?

I haven't been in a fly shop in a few years now. Of course, I'm not
fishing near as much as I used to either, but the annual trek to the
fly fishing show seems to keep me in supply.

B&G Sporting in Westfield.

Yeah, I quit going there at all. They don't even bother greeting customers
that come in.

Our annual trip to the show, plus a little mail order usually takes
care of my needs.
Have you been getting out at all?

Twice all year. It's a long, multi-layered story I'll bore you with when we
meet up.

The high water this year, plus a
couple of situations earlier in the season has limited my trips this
year as well.
Swift is still running at +/- 200 CFS, but with the new valve, most of
it is coming from the bottom, so the temp is under 60 deg, fishing is
slow.
All that said, I caught my best fish of the year, 21", on a streamer
near the "secret spot" on Monday.

Brown? 'Bow? Do tell.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

'Bow. Really dark, almost black. Kype on lower jaw had worn a groove
in the upper. Surprisingly, not much of a fighter. If he had pressed
the issue in the fast water, I think it would have been game over.

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"george9219" wrote in message
...
On Aug 19, 10:32 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:

Brown? 'Bow? Do tell.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

'Bow. Really dark, almost black. Kype on lower jaw had worn a groove
in the upper. Surprisingly, not much of a fighter. If he had pressed
the issue in the fast water, I think it would have been game over.


Have others found larger fish in the 19 - 22 inch range seem to be less of a
fight that a 14 - 16 inch fish in the same river system? The bigger guys
seem to be lazy? Maybe they are older wiser and think, "oh crap, I screwed
up again, just swim to the boat and get released"...

What is your take?

JT

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In message , JT
writes

"george9219" wrote in message
...
On Aug 19, 10:32 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:

Brown? 'Bow? Do tell.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

'Bow. Really dark, almost black. Kype on lower jaw had worn a groove
in the upper. Surprisingly, not much of a fighter. If he had pressed
the issue in the fast water, I think it would have been game over.


Have others found larger fish in the 19 - 22 inch range seem to be less of a
fight that a 14 - 16 inch fish in the same river system? The bigger guys
seem to be lazy? Maybe they are older wiser and think, "oh crap, I screwed
up again, just swim to the boat and get released"...

What is your take?

JT



I've heard it said of Rainbows that as they grow larger their hearts do
not grow in proportion to their bodies. When they become a bit on the
gross side, their hearts can't deliver the necessary oxygen to the
muscles, and they are incapable of sustaining a decent fight.
--
Bill Grey