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fighting over docks?
Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing
around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan |
fighting over docks?
BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan I've been in both shoes on this,, many, many times Few bass fishermen have, most only look at the law, which in most, if not all states, is no person can claim ownership of an area of "public" water, you can fish anywhere from your boat. Now the dock owner has spent much money and time building fish habitat for "him" to fish, many of these are C&E fishermen, they really get upset for all their work to end up in the live well of others, that strangers line up to catch "their" fish (I know that they have no claim on the fish, but this is their mindset) Now what really adds insult is when the boaters, don't even respect you fishing from your own pier, I have on MANY occasions been fishing from my pier, and a boater come right up and fish it with me sitting there with my lines out, and even snagging my lines with their lures, these same fishermen would never consider fishing that close to another boater. One time a boater had the balls to hold my handrail to hold his boat not 3 feet from me fishing for crappie, and tell me my pier was known as the best crappie hole on the entire lake, I have had others tie up to my rail right next to me fishing, it's the same feeling if some guy ties up to your boat, while your fishing, I bet that would make 99% of the boaters madder than hell I also like to leave catfish rods set in rod holders, baited and in the water, these have bells on them I can hear from the house, Many times these have been snagged by a boater, that could not have missed seeing these rods fishing. Here is my rule when boating, it is one of respect, and not being an A-Hole, that many boaters become when dock fishing If someone is fishing on a dock, don't fish that dock, PERIOD ! If you see rods in rod holders, don't fish that dock, PERIOD ! If someone is standing, sitting, walking, or even sun bathing on a dock, don't fish that dock, PERIOD ! (you would never fish right up to another's boat, from your boat, when they are on their boat, now would you ? give a dock owner the same respect) If someone starts walking towards their dock while your fishing it, then leave, if someone yells at you, then leave, it's just not worth the enemy your making, there are plenty more docks out there that people are not on, or watching, for you to fish, are there not ? -- Secret Weapon Recoil Rig, Fishing lure remote control See lure video you won't believe http://secretweaponlures.com/spectastic.htm |
fighting over docks?
"BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message ... Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan Yes, I've gotten into many "discussions" over the years while fishing docks. Some of these have gotten quite heated and I thought a couple were going to get physical. The problem is, there are no laws regarding fishing distance from a dock. That means you, as a legal and licensed angler are entitled to fish right up to and under the dock. The water (and the fish in it) belongs to the state, not to any individual and the dock owner cannot prevent you from fishing in, under and around his dock. I learned that it doesn't pay to fish any dock with someone on it. Not that you won't catch fish, because you can, but because you cannot be sure how they'll react. But, if they appear friendly, I'll ask them for permission, even though I don't need it. If they're total jerks, I'll bypass the dock. But, if one comes out and stands on the dock with a shotgun and threatens me (this happened once), I'll do again what I did then. Call 911 and report being threatened with a firearm. If you REALLY want to fish that dock, report them. If I remember correctly, it is against the law to harass hunters and anglers in Michigan and they are the one in violation of the law, not you. -- Steve Huber Executive Producer/Editor in Chief OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media LLC http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com |
fighting over docks?
On Aug 16, 8:18*am, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers.com" go-
wrote: "BIG FISH 2006" wrote in ... Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan Yes, I've gotten into many "discussions" over the years while fishing docks. Some of these have gotten quite heated and I thought a couple were going to get physical. The problem is, there are no laws regarding fishing distance from a dock. That means you, as a legal and licensed angler are entitled to fish right up to and under the dock. *The water (and the fish in it) belongs to the state, not to any individual and the dock owner cannot prevent you from fishing in, under and around his dock. I learned that it doesn't pay to fish any dock with someone on it. *Not that you won't catch fish, because you can, but because you cannot be sure how they'll react. *But, if they appear friendly, I'll ask them for permission, even though I don't need it. *If they're total jerks, I'll bypass the dock. But, if one comes out and stands on the dock with a shotgun and threatens me (this happened once), I'll do again what I did then. *Call 911 and report being threatened with a firearm. If you REALLY want to fish that dock, report them. *If I remember correctly, it is against the law to harass hunters and anglers in Michigan and they are the one in violation of the law, not you. -- Steve Huber Executive Producer/Editor in Chief OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media LLChttp://www.outdoorfrontiers.com My rules of thumb... 1. Never fish a dock that is occupied. 2. If the dock owner comes down to fish it while you are fishing it...move on. 3. If the dock owner comes down just to run you off, use your discretion as to how to handle the situation. I don't own a dock but fish them all the time (from the water and from docks). I think I would view it as aggressive and obnoxious behavior to have someone crowd me when I was on it. I would not threaten them, but I can assure you that I would have a pole rigged VERY heavily and more than likely my sidearm cast would go astray in the boater's direction...repeatedly. Maybe that is in the threat category. |
fighting over docks?
"BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message
... Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan You guys should wander over to Az Bass Zone forums and read some of the headaches those guys are dealing with over one Marina at Lake Pleasant. The marina owner (not a land owner at all just a leasee) has amanged to get angler's completely kicked out of the marina. I think the legality is gret at best, but nobody has managed to figure out how to challenge it exaclty since the lake is managed by a water district rather than a state agency. Their private security have even been known to harrass people fishing outside the marina. Makes me want to fish there everyday with my video camera and wait for somebody to harrass me. (Arizona has an anti harrassment law.) |
fighting over docks?
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message ... Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan Spell Check! Look into it. LOL! Lets try that again. You guys should wander over to Az Bass Zone forums and read some of the headaches those guys are dealing with over one marina at Lake Pleasant. The marina owner (not a land owner at all just a leasee) has managed to get angler's completely kicked out of the marina. I think the legality is grey at best, but nobody has managed to figure out how to challenge it exaclty since the lake is managed by a water district rather than a state agency. Their private security (the marina's) have even been known to harrass people fishing outside the marina. Makes me want to fish there every day with my video camera and wait for somebody to harrass me. (Arizona has an anti harrassment law.) |
fighting over docks?
BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan On C'wood, there's a guy who has lawn sprinkler set up on the end of his dock, with a motion sensor to trigger it. Get within about 20 yards of the dock, and the sprinkler goes on and soaks you. It ain't bad this time of year.G But our big problem is the increasing # of fools who rope off "private swimming areas" the length of their waterfront, 50 to 100 feet out into the lake. A few years ago, I was inside such an area (cold, rainy day in late September, water temp in the low 60s) and the guy comes out and starts screaming at me. I told him I was only in so tight trying to find the permit number on the marker buoys. He started stammering and I knew it had never occurred to him he might need a permit for them. I pulled the whole permit thing out of my butthole, because I had no idea either, but I could tell he didn't have a a clue, and wouldn't call my bluff. Turns out that on C'wood, you need TWO permits to mark off a private swimming area. One from the power company that owns the lake, and the other from the DEP, boating division. The latter requires the permit number to be displayed in 3" block letters on every buoy. Since I've never seen a private swimming area with the numbers displayed on the buoys, I now just fish the swimming areas, and when the idiots come out and threaten to call the lake authority, police, DEP, or whomever (I even heard of one threatening to call the EPA recently), I offer to make the call for them, and turn them in for an illegally marked off swimming area. |
fighting over docks?
next time I'll just leave without a word and come back in the middle of
the night like a Navy Seal, and when they find their boat under water at the end of the dock they'll stop being buttholes. |
fighting over docks?
"BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message ... next time I'll just leave without a word and come back in the middle of the night like a Navy Seal, and when they find their boat under water at the end of the dock they'll stop being buttholes. LOL, I know one guy that did exactly that, cutting the seal on one guy's I/O boat because of a dock fishing conflict. -- Steve Huber Executive Producer/Editor in Chief OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media LLC http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com |
fighting over docks?
I'd just go back in the middle of the night with a paintball gun and do a
little "decorating". Probably use some nice pink paint too. :) "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers.com" wrote in message ... "BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message ... next time I'll just leave without a word and come back in the middle of the night like a Navy Seal, and when they find their boat under water at the end of the dock they'll stop being buttholes. LOL, I know one guy that did exactly that, cutting the seal on one guy's I/O boat because of a dock fishing conflict. -- Steve Huber Executive Producer/Editor in Chief OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media LLC http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com |
fighting over docks?
BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan City lakes in IL often do give the dockowners rights to a certain distance out into the lake. If they come out and ask you to leave, you gotta leave. But everyone is supposed to be decent to each other. I have always gone way out of my way to stay clear of people fishing from docks or banks. Everyone needs their room. |
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"Carlos" wrote in message
... BIG FISH 2006 wrote: Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan City lakes in IL often do give the dockowners rights to a certain distance out into the lake. If they come out and ask you to leave, you gotta leave. But everyone is supposed to be decent to each other. I have always gone way out of my way to stay clear of people fishing from docks or banks. Everyone needs their room. I suppose if the city actually owns both the land and the water outright they could have the right to do that, but I could see where it could become urinating competition like in other areas as well. |
I would also like to leave the catfish rods set in rod holders and bait water, which are on their bell, I can hear from the house, many times these have been caught a boatman, do not miss to see these rods fishing.
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fighting over docks?
On Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43:52 PM UTC-4, BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Has anyone here ever had a verbal fight with a land owner over fishing around their dock? The last two times out my partner and I have got into verbals with landowners, yesterday I thought I was going to have to fight my way off the lake. What are the laws about fishing distance from a dock? should I report them to the DNR or Police. I'm in MIchigan Let me give you my perspective as a lakefront, dock and boat owner about why this issue gets me upset. Perhaps you will understand why it is upsetting to have every fisherman trying to catch the big one under my dock. My dock is 40ft long and has a very expensive boat tied to it. Each year I remove at least a 5 gal. bucket of bobbers and hooks from my dock, boat and beach. I watch as my cover of my boat has been hooked and ripped. The line is cut and off they go knowing they have caused damage. My grandson was hospitalized because he stepped on a hook and it had to be surgically removed. I do not own the water, but I do own the dock and the boat and do not wish to have hooks thrown at them. I don't think it is too much to ask that hooks not be thrown at my property. In their quest to catch the "big one", there is no commmon sense. How about if I start throwing rocks into the water right where your beautiful bass boat is because no one owns the water and I would like you to stop throwing hooks at my property? No fish here. I find it hard to believe that lakefront owners do not want you to catch their fish. Sounds silly. They are just trying to protect their property and family from being damaged or hurt. Make sense? |
fighting over docks?
On 7/28/2012 1:54 PM, wrote:
Let me give you my perspective as a lakefront, dock and boat owner about why this issue gets me upset. Perhaps you will understand why it is upsetting to have every fisherman trying to catch the big one under my dock. My dock is 40ft long and has a very expensive boat tied to it. Each year I remove at least a 5 gal. bucket of bobbers and hooks from my dock, boat and beach. I watch as my cover of my boat has been hooked and ripped. The line is cut and off they go knowing they have caused damage. My grandson was hospitalized because he stepped on a hook and it had to be surgically removed. I do not own the water, but I do own the dock and the boat and do not wish to have hooks thrown at them. I don't think it is too much to ask that hooks not be thrown at my property. In their quest to catch the "big one", there is no commmon sense. How about if I start throwing rocks into the water right where your beautiful bass boat is because no one owns the water and I would like you t o stop throwing hooks at my property? No fish here. I find it hard to believe that lakefront owners do not want you to catch their fish. Sounds silly. They are just trying to protect their property and family from being damaged or hurt. Make sense? I always make sure no one is around when I fish near docks. It's better that way. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
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seems rather ignorant doesn't it, why don't they fish further out in the water? sheesh. M&K Mining Sudbury Ontario Michael Lalonde "HVAC" wrote in message ... On 7/28/2012 1:54 PM, wrote: Let me give you my perspective as a lakefront, dock and boat owner about why this issue gets me upset. Perhaps you will understand why it is upsetting to have every fisherman trying to catch the big one under my dock. My dock is 40ft long and has a very expensive boat tied to it. Each year I remove at least a 5 gal. bucket of bobbers and hooks from my dock, boat and beach. I watch as my cover of my boat has been hooked and ripped. The line is cut and off they go knowing they have caused damage. My grandson was hospitalized because he stepped on a hook and it had to be surgically removed. I do not own the water, but I do own the dock and the boat and do not wish to have hooks thrown at them. I don't think it is too much to ask that hooks not be thrown at my property. In their quest to catch the "big one", there is no commmon sense. How about if I start throwing rocks into the water right where your beautiful bass boat is because no one owns the water and I would like you t o stop throwing hooks at my property? No fish here. I find it hard to believe that lakefront owners do not want you to catch their fish. Sounds silly. They are just trying to protect their property and family from being damaged or hurt. Make sense? I always make sure no one is around when I fish near docks. It's better that way. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
fighting over docks?
One time I was fishing a dock during a tournament and caught a nice bass out from under it. Immediately a lady came running out of the house and said they had been feeding that fish and she was going to call the DNR because the fish was not 14". A game warden eventually showed up and when he looked in my live well all he said was "nice fish". He then told me how many fish the other contestants had who he had checked so I knew where I stood. I don't do much dock fishing any more unless it is a really slow day and I can't find any doing anything else.
Gary |
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