No fish
 

Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 5, 2:49*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/

--
Ken Fortenberry

Great pics, Ken. Hard to beat the north shore of Minnesota for
scenery. MN 61 is one of the best drives in the country.

Fish or no fish, a great time, I'm sure.

-Dan

No fish
 

On Sep 5, 2:49*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/

--
Ken Fortenberry

Very beautiful. Not hard to imagine how it got it's name, Artist's
Point.

Allen Mann

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/


Hi Ken,

In the second picture, do you fish the water with all them
rocks in it? Got to me tons of feeding lies in it. If you
do, wet or dry? Any special techniques? And how do you
keep from loosing tons of gear in the rocks?

-T (Your favorite arguing table)

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/

Hi Ken,

In the second picture, do you fish the water with all them
rocks in it? Got to me tons of feeding lies in it. If you
do, wet or dry? Any special techniques? And how do you
keep from loosing tons of gear in the rocks?

You must be referring to the first set of pics. The second picture
in this set is sunrise over Lake Superior.

It's hopper season up here. I just tie on a size 14 orange or
yellow hoppulator/stimulopper (my lazy man's tie that is half
hopper, half stimulator). Nothing special, just hopper fishing.

Losing gear ? I don't know what you mean. The only thing in my
hands is my fly rod, everything else has a place either in a
pocket or on the lanyard. If I'm going to be up there all day
with a lunch and a water bottle I'll wear my vest.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's hopper season up here. I just tie on a size 14 orange or
yellow hoppulator/stimulopper (my lazy man's tie that is half
hopper, half stimulator). Nothing special, just hopper fishing.

Losing gear ? I don't know what you mean. The only thing in my
hands is my fly rod, everything else has a place either in a
pocket or on the lanyard. If I'm going to be up there all day
with a lunch and a water bottle I'll wear my vest.

I'm referring to those hoppers at the end of your line.
Fishing them dry would get them up above the obstructions.
My problem is that I tend to fish everything wet. I love
drowned Adams, for instance.

-T

No fish
 

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:49:28 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/


Nice pics. Your pup is looking alert and happy.
Geo.C.

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
It's hopper season up here. I just tie on a size 14 orange or
yellow hoppulator/stimulopper (my lazy man's tie that is half
hopper, half stimulator). Nothing special, just hopper fishing.

Losing gear ? I don't know what you mean. The only thing in my
hands is my fly rod, everything else has a place either in a
pocket or on the lanyard. If I'm going to be up there all day
with a lunch and a water bottle I'll wear my vest.

I'm referring to those hoppers at the end of your line.
Fishing them dry would get them up above the obstructions.
My problem is that I tend to fish everything wet. ...

Dude, if you think it's worthwhile to listen to Rush Limbaugh
for anything other than comic relief then fishing wet flies
is the least of your problems.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

George Cleveland wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another set of pics from Grand Marais. No fish, just some snaps
from the morning walk.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ken_for...7622256239706/

Nice pics. Your pup is looking alert and happy.

Thanks George.

The pup has turned into a sweet young lady. She's enjoying
her time up here in the north woods. There's a half hour
around sunrise every morning when Artist's Point is a bird
free zone. We're the only ones out there and Kaylin polices
the bird free zone with energy and joy.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
It's hopper season up here. I just tie on a size 14 orange or
yellow hoppulator/stimulopper (my lazy man's tie that is half
hopper, half stimulator). Nothing special, just hopper fishing.

Losing gear ? I don't know what you mean. The only thing in my
hands is my fly rod, everything else has a place either in a
pocket or on the lanyard. If I'm going to be up there all day
with a lunch and a water bottle I'll wear my vest.

I'm referring to those hoppers at the end of your line.
Fishing them dry would get them up above the obstructions.
My problem is that I tend to fish everything wet. ...

Dude, if you think it's worthwhile to listen to Rush Limbaugh
for anything other than comic relief then fishing wet flies
is the least of your problems.


Ken,

You really need to listen to Rush just a little bit
before jumping to conclusions. When did liberals
become so close minded? They use to love to debate
and know what the other side thought. Not any more.

I'd really love to know your thoughts on the wet fly
problem. Just because you are a liberal, doesn't
mean you do not know how to fish.

-T

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:
My problem is that I tend to fish everything wet. ...

Dude, if you think it's worthwhile to listen to Rush Limbaugh
for anything other than comic relief then fishing wet flies
is the least of your problems.

You really need to listen to Rush just a little bit
before jumping to conclusions. When did liberals
become so close minded? They use to love to debate
and know what the other side thought. Not any more.

I've listened to enough of Limbaugh's drivel to know that
anyone who mistakes that nonsense for serious political
commentary has **** for brains and is easily duped. And
that is an opinion from someone who is more open-minded
than an idiot like you will ever be.

I'd really love to know your thoughts on the wet fly
problem. Just because you are a liberal, doesn't
mean you do not know how to fish.

I don't have a problem with wet flies. I don't use them
when the fish are attacking hopper patterns with reckless
abandon, that would be as stupid as listening to Limbaugh.
Apparently you have a problem with losing a lot of wet flies
to the rocks. All I can advise is ponder the question; "How
do you get to Carnegie Hall ?".

And remember this Todd, if Jesus were walking the earth today
he would be a liberal and he would kick the **** out of the
Limbaughs of this world just like he kicked the **** out of
the vendors in the temple.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 8, 4:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:
My problem is that I tend to fish everything wet. ...

Dude, if you think it's worthwhile to listen to Rush Limbaugh
for anything other than comic relief then fishing wet flies
is the least of your problems.

You really need to listen to Rush just a little bit
before jumping to conclusions. *When did liberals
become so close minded? They use to love to debate
and know what the other side thought. * Not any more.

I've listened to enough of Limbaugh's drivel to know that
anyone who mistakes that nonsense for serious political
commentary has **** for brains and is easily duped. And
that is an opinion from someone who is more open-minded
than an idiot like you will ever be.

I'd really love to know your thoughts on the wet fly
problem. *Just because you are a liberal, doesn't
mean you do not know how to fish.

I don't have a problem with wet flies. I don't use them
when the fish are attacking hopper patterns with reckless
abandon, that would be as stupid as listening to Limbaugh.
Apparently you have a problem with losing a lot of wet flies
to the rocks. All I can advise is ponder the question; "How
do you get to Carnegie Hall ?".

And remember this Todd, if Jesus were walking the earth today
he would be a liberal and he would kick the **** out of the
Limbaughs of this world just like he kicked the **** out of
the vendors in the temple.

Haysoos does walk the earth today. He lives three doors down. He
smells as bad as he undoubtedly did last time around and he's crazy as
a ****house fly.....just like last time around. He doesn't kick the
**** out of anybody.....just like last time around.....and he isn't
going to.....just like last time around

moron.

g.
ya'd think that what with the wild popularity of "reality" shows on
television these days, somebody or other would have at least a mild
passing interest in reality.....ya'd think, ainna?

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I've listened to enough of Limbaugh's drivel to know that
anyone who mistakes that nonsense for serious political
commentary has **** for brains and is easily duped. And
that is an opinion from someone who is more open-minded
than an idiot like you will ever be.

Hi Ken,

I have a close, dear liberal friend whose opinion
I highly respect. He is fascinating to listen to
when he has researched a subject. I may have been
projecting his personality on to you because you
were both liberal.

He also listens to Rush, but only the sound clips
he hears on leftist MSNBC, etc.. Quite a few times
he has complained to me about something Rush has
said that I actually heard the entire statement on
Rush's show. When I told him the entire statement,
he was puzzled as to how something could be presented
so out of context (bearing false witness by the way).

Since you sound so similar to my fried on Rush, I
thought you were doing the same thing: listening
to things out of context.

And, since I love to hear my friends well reasoned
opinions, I was thinking you were capable of the same.
You are not him and for this I apologize.

And remember this Todd, if Jesus were walking the earth today
he would be a liberal and he would kick the **** out of the
Limbaughs of this world just like he kicked the **** out of
the vendors in the temple.

This first time you said something like this, I thought
you were kidding and had a great laugh. I told you
you needed to go fishing (as if any of us really needed
on excuse). Now I realize you were not.

For Jesus to be a liberal would require serious revisions
to those 10 commandments. For example: Thou shalt not covet
thy neighbors possessions (socialism, class envy); Thou
shalt not bear false witness (you hear Kennedy carry
on about judge Bork and Thomas?); Thou shalt have no
other gods before me (liberalism is a competing religion
with Christianity); and my all time favorite, *Thou
shalt not murder* (abortion, infanticide, snowing granny).

So, no he would not be a liberal.
-T

Oh, and Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife, but that is more
a Clinton/Kennedy thing.

You know, Oboma votes three time to leave infants to die
of exposure in the Illinois legislature because it
would over ride the original decision of the mother
to murder ("abort" was his word) her child. Now that
is really, really cold blooded. Might even say "evil"

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I've listened to enough of Limbaugh's drivel to know that
anyone who mistakes that nonsense for serious political
commentary has **** for brains and is easily duped. And
that is an opinion from someone who is more open-minded
than an idiot like you will ever be.

Hi Ken,

I have a close, dear liberal friend whose opinion
I highly respect. He is fascinating to listen to
when he has researched a subject. I may have been
projecting his personality on to you because you
were both liberal.

He also listens to Rush, but only the sound clips
he hears on leftist MSNBC, etc.. Quite a few times
he has complained to me about something Rush has
said that I actually heard the entire statement on
Rush's show. When I told him the entire statement,
he was puzzled as to how something could be presented
so out of context (bearing false witness by the way).

Since you sound so similar to my fried on Rush, I
thought you were doing the same thing: listening
to things out of context.

Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.


As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Thank you for the link. I will check it out.
-T

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.


As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Go **** yourself, nitwit. You are way too stupid to merit
civil discourse.

Thank you for the link. I will check it out.

Yeah, sure you will.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 9, 12:31*pm, Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.

As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. *So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Thank you for the link. *I will check it out.
-T- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

No fish
 

On Sep 9, 2:31*pm, Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.

As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. *So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Thank you for the link. *I will check it out.
-T- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No fish
 

DaveS wrote:
Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

Hi Dave,

I know a lot of very smart people that did not go to
college and a lot of dumb ones that did. Ditto
for those who don't know what the "any key" is and
those that smoke. I know a lot of divorced people too
of all shades. Those qualities have zero to do
with one's ability to form a decent argument.

Rush' prescription drug problems were from that evil
oxi-crap stuff he was taking for his back, not his anus.
That evil oxi-crap is a one dose addition. A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. (The oxi-crap/back problems
I heard out of his own mouth.)

I believe in limited government, freedom, and personal responsibility.
Rush agrees with me. He does a very good job or articulating these
values. By the way, because a person disagrees with you, does not
mean he is not articulate. A lot of us conservatives think
that [Bill] Clinton was the consummate politician, disagree
with him as we may. The same goes for our current president and
his silver tongued teleprompter (articulate but not a very
good politician, Clinton runs circles around him).

May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
It is his words that I am listening to. Judging people
by the strength of their character rather than the color
of their skin is moral point that should resonate with all
of us, even if he did plagiarize that too.

Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? Judge Rush by
his words and leave his personal life out of it. (By
"words", I mean words out of his own mouth, not hatchet
jobs by political commentators/propagandists posing
unbiased journalists.)

By the way, there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't
listen to [insert name here] because I do not like him
so I will not comment on what I did not hear him say".

Agreeing with Rush's and Dr. King's words, does not make
me want to emulate either of their personal lives. And,
yes, it is a pity that Rush can not stay married for his
life. (It is easy, just listen to your wives. That
would be St. Paul's teaching. Pampering them a little
bit helps too.)

Thank you for just stating your point and forgoing the
swearing and name calling (Brown Shirt tactics). Makes
a person much more likely to listen to you and not think
you are intolerant and close minded (and just plain mean and
uncivil). I have a close liberal friend and I love to hear
his analysis of things as he does mine. In the end, we agree
on almost nothing, but we both appreciate the other hearing
us out and respecting the others thoughts. Respect is
a good thing in a friendship.

And lastly HAVE YOU DONE ANY FISHING LATELY! :-)

-T

No fish
 

On Sep 11, 4:28*pm, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

Hi Dave,

I know a lot of very smart people that did not go to
college and a lot of dumb ones that did. *Ditto
for those who don't know what the "any key" is and
those that smoke. *I know a lot of divorced people too
of all shades. *Those qualities have zero to do
with one's ability to form a decent argument.

Rush' prescription drug problems were from that evil
oxi-crap stuff he was taking for his back, not his anus.
That evil oxi-crap is a one dose addition. *A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *(The oxi-crap/back problems
I heard out of his own mouth.)

I believe in limited government, freedom, and personal responsibility.
Rush agrees with me. *He does a very good job or articulating these
values. *By the way, because a person disagrees with you, does not
mean he is not articulate. *A lot of us conservatives think
that [Bill] Clinton was the consummate politician, disagree
with him as we may. *The same goes for our current president and
his silver tongued teleprompter (articulate but not a very
good politician, Clinton runs circles around him).

May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
It is his words that I am listening to. *Judging people
by the strength of their character rather than the color
of their skin is moral point that should resonate with all
of us, even if he did plagiarize that too.

Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? *Judge Rush by
his words and leave his personal life out of it. *(By
"words", I mean words out of his own mouth, not hatchet
jobs by political commentators/propagandists posing
unbiased journalists.)

By the way, there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't
listen to [insert name here] because I do not like him
so I will not comment on what I did not hear him say".

Agreeing with Rush's and Dr. King's words, does not make
me want to emulate either of their personal lives. *And,
yes, it is a pity that Rush can not stay married for his
life. *(It is easy, just listen to your wives. *That
would be St. Paul's teaching. *Pampering them a little
bit helps too.)

Thank you for just stating your point and forgoing the
swearing and name calling (Brown Shirt tactics). *Makes
a person much more likely to listen to you and not think
you are intolerant and close minded (and just plain mean and
uncivil). *I have a close liberal friend and I love to hear
his analysis of things as he does mine. *In the end, we agree
on almost nothing, but we both appreciate the other hearing
us out and respecting the others thoughts. *Respect is
a good thing in a friendship.

And lastly HAVE YOU DONE ANY FISHING LATELY! :-)

-T
But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

And yes I fish, for fish.

Dave
Maybe you should take this to Alt: MYPrisonMinistry. rec.indoor.oxi ?

No fish
 

Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. ...
snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 12, 8:08*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *...
snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh I don't know. Todd and Beancounter have done more to convince me
that I need to own more guns than the NRA ever could. I hope he
continues to share. It just might push more of the real conservatives
and Republicans to take back their Party from these whack job minions
of Satin.

Dave

No fish
 

DaveS wrote:

But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

I thought I was pretty clear. To put it more bluntly, I think
you are trying to smear Rush and I don't believe you.

You also missed my point. Judge him by his words. And, keep
it in the arena of ideas.

To me, this is what you are saying. Rush: I think government
should get out of our lives. DaveS: yeh, yeh, well he can't
pee straight. In other words you can't make a rational
argument, so you jump to the gutter.

What you should say is "I don't not agree with Rush because ..."
This is the arena of ideas.

You will never convince anyone of your ideas by jumping
to the gutter. On the other hand, if you present a reasoned
argument, people will usually listen. Smear people
you disagree with only makes you look close minded and
not very nice to associate with.

Pull it out of the gutter. Make rational arguments.
Approach the people you disagree with in friendship.

-T

No fish
 

DaveS wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

Oh I don't know. Todd and Beancounter have done more to convince me
that I need to own more guns than the NRA ever could. I hope he
continues to share. It just might push more of the real conservatives
and Republicans to take back their Party from these whack job minions
of Satin.

The GOP has been in a cynical, symbiotic relationship with the
ignorant, racist, uneducated, less affluent white trash of rural
and southern America for so long, ever since Nixon, I don't know
if they know how to take their Party back or even if they want to.
It seems to me no matter what kind of garbage spews from the mouths
of Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck the GOP is scared to death to denounce
it and when they do, reflexively, denounce the most egregious slurs
they are forced to apologize immediately and kiss pundit ass.

I think one of the unintended consequences of electing a black man
President of the US is to marginalize the GOP as a minor regional
party of the South. In other words, I think Todd is more mainstream
GOP than not. Of course, he is also a whackjob minion of Satin. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 12, 11:49*am, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

I thought I was pretty clear. *To put it more bluntly, I think
you are trying to smear Rush and I don't believe you.

You also missed my point. *Judge him by his words. *And, keep
it in the arena of ideas.

To me, this is what you are saying. *Rush: I think government
should get out of our lives. *DaveS: *yeh, yeh, well he can't
pee straight. *In other words you can't make a rational
argument, so you jump to the gutter.

What you should say is "I don't not agree with Rush because ..."
This is the arena of ideas.

You will never convince anyone of your ideas by jumping
to the gutter. *On the other hand, if you present a reasoned
argument, people will usually listen. *Smear people
you disagree with only makes you look close minded and
not very nice to associate with.

Pull it out of the gutter. *Make rational arguments.
Approach the people you disagree with in friendship.

-T

Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave

No fish
 

DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave


Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi. Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared. Reminds me of the adult
version of covering one ears and chanting LA LA LA.
It is an effective way of hearing anyone else's opinion.

Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

-T

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. ... snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Oh now I am a racist. I was speaking of one man's behavior.
Not a group. What is with you and the slurs and name calling?
I believe that all humanity is made in God's image
and likeness. So nice try.

You also missed the point. Listen to Reverend King's (oh, yes
he was a Christian minister) words. Judge people by their
character not their skin color. That I do not agree with
some of the Reverend moral shortcomings, DOES NOT DIMINISH
HIS WORDS.

The same applies to Rush. Debate him on his words.
Drop the smears and name calling. Keep it in the arena
of ideas.

By the way, I did check out your link. It did seem
interesting.

If you want Liberal opinion without all the name
calling, check out the New Republic's web site:
http://www.tnr.com/
They have a long reputation of keeping it in the arena
of ideas. No Air America stuff at this site.

And, the same on Conservative side:
http://www.nationalreview.com/
They have the same reputation. Or, if you don't have
a lot of time, listen to Rush.


Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.


Hmmm, "hate-filled ignorance", "American Taliban", "christian
creep". Sticks and stones. "Birkenstocks!!!!" Oh now
that is below the belt! :-)

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. Your behavior
has been reprehensible. Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. And, I make a very
good friend.

-T

No fish
 

On Sep 13, 12:37*pm, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." *I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. *I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. *I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave

Wow. *Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi. *Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared. *Reminds me of the adult
version of covering one ears and chanting LA LA LA.
It is an effective way of hearing anyone else's opinion.

Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

-T- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi.

And it seems to me you didn't bother to deny any part of
the characterization. Hits pretty close, eh ?

Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared.

That's a lie. And a smear. Many here have had substantive
disagreements and arguments with Dave and, when appropriate,
Dave is always respectful of opposing views.

snip
Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

Haven't you ever wondered why Limbaugh never appears on the Sunday
morning talking head shows ? You know, those roundtables where the
liberal Paul Krugman openly laughs at the economic naivete' of the
conservative George Will ?

You pray about that Todd and see what Jesus tells you. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Oh now I am a racist. I was speaking of one man's behavior.
Not a group. What is with you and the slurs and name calling?
I believe that all humanity is made in God's image
and likeness. So nice try.

So what's with "white hookers" ? If Martin Luther King Jr.
had "a thing" for hookers what possible difference could it
make to a decent christian like you if she's white ? Yeah,
that righteous indignation **** ain't gonna fly, Todd. One
doesn't need a good nose to smell the racism in your posts,
they absolutely reek of it.

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. Your behavior
has been reprehensible. Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. And, I make a very
good friend.

Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

On Sep 13, 12:58*pm, Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *... snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Oh now I am a racist. *I was speaking of one man's behavior.
Not a group. *What is with you and the slurs and name calling?
I believe that all humanity is made in God's image
and likeness. *So nice try.

You also missed the point. *Listen to Reverend King's (oh, yes
he was a Christian minister) words. *Judge people by their
character not their skin color. *That I do not agree with
some of the Reverend moral shortcomings, DOES NOT DIMINISH
HIS WORDS.

The same applies to Rush. *Debate him on his words.
Drop the smears and name calling. *Keep it in the arena
of ideas.

By the way, I did check out your link. *It did seem
interesting.

If you want Liberal opinion without all the name
calling, check out the New Republic's web site:http://www.tnr.com/
They have a long reputation of keeping it in the arena
of ideas. *No Air America stuff at this site.

And, the same on Conservative side:http://www.nationalreview.com/
They have the same reputation. *Or, if you don't have
a lot of time, listen to Rush.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

Hmmm, "hate-filled ignorance", "American Taliban", "christian
creep". *Sticks and stones. *"Birkenstocks!!!!" *Oh now
that is below the belt! *:-)

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. *You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. *Your behavior
has been reprehensible. *Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. *And, I make a very
good friend.

-T

Hey Todd, Here is another suggestion since you are not biting on the
sandwich and fave beverage idea.

See Beancounter's thread? Up to 402 now. He gets to post his whackjob
hate Obama stuff there and folks get to read it or not. He posts non-
political stuff elsewhere and no one gives him much **** there. Obama
hate posts outside his Obama Hate thread gets some bite-back.
Accomodation. Result: Fellowship still possible among people who
disagree on lots of stuff.

You could get something like that working for you. Maybe something
like a "Rush, Jesus and Todd" thread where mostly you get to share
your mishmash. Then you could restrain working the Rush and Jesus into
your posts on the other threads, let folks get to know you, experience
more of the rough and tumble of ROFFIAN "debate" and maybe even share
some fishing face times, which is one of the best parts of ROFF.

You might find that there are more than a few real conservatives and
Jesusites on ROFF, and you would certainly find yourself less a target
for bitebacks.

Dave

No fish
 

Todd wrote:

Or, if you don't have
a lot of time, listen to Rush.


most thinking people who don't have a lot of time have more time for
root canals, colonoscopies, endoscopies, tatoos, and some of the unusual
body-piercings enjoyed by karl rove's daddy than they have for anything
limbaugh. the pain and discomfort is significantly less.

And, I make a very
good friend.


you've a friend in jesus...why look elsewhere todd? ...

i've found that this place, with all its flaws and brute smacks, can
yield some very good friendships and fishing adventures. why not leave
jesus and limbaugh where they can serve your cause better? if you are
here just to profess and witness and ditto...well, you might want to
keep your vaseline and a helmet handy. it's gonna be a rough and
unpleasant time. of course, it's entirely your choice. there's grace and
damnation aplenty whichever way you go...

jeff

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:



Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


well todd...i think you and ken are beginning to warm to one another. at
least it seems he's taking a more moderate approach in your roff
relationship. given some time, i'm sure y'all will be sharing fishing
stories. ...but...uh...don't mention fawn lake....

jeff

No fish
 

Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid

No fish
 

DaveS wrote:

No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.


Dave,

You are just being mean. You are also slurring me. And,
you have some rather strange, preconceived ideas of others.
How would you like it if I pulled a bunch of the meanest insults I
could think of out of the air and flung them at you. "Okay,
you are a [insert the meanest insult you can think of here],
now defend yourself." You would not care for it.

Be respectful. Keep it to the arena of ideas. People
will mostly listen to you. Slur folks who don't
agree with you and they will just think you are
closed minded and mean spirited.

-T

No fish
 

Frank Reid wrote:
Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid



Hi Frank,

Now that's what a liberal sound like that actually
listens to Rush. Not a single remark about his anus.
He didn't call me a single name either. Even though
he is very displeased with Rush, he kept it to the
area of ideas.

To respectfully disagree with you, there is no
separation of church and state in the constitution. That
was a creation of the supreme court in the 19 century.
Thomas Jefferson did make a remark about it in one of
his writing. The constitution bars the establishment
of a state religion. The supreme court even has a
copy of the ten commandments on the front of its
building.

When I got the racism insult flung at me, I though
everyone should know my moral beliefs actually were.

I did not know that about that the PI. Thank you.
See, he was respectful and I actually listen to him.

Thank you for signing on the dotted line. So did I.

-T

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi.

And it seems to me you didn't bother to deny any part of
the characterization. Hits pretty close, eh ?

Actually, I though he was just flinging insults because
he could not form an argument.


Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared.

That's a lie. And a smear. Many here have had substantive
disagreements and arguments with Dave and, when appropriate,
Dave is always respectful of opposing views.

I stand corrected. You pick and choose who you
insult. My apologies.

snip
Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?


Haven't you ever wondered why Limbaugh never appears on the Sunday
morning talking head shows ? You know, those roundtables where the
liberal Paul Krugman openly laughs at the economic naivete' of the
conservative George Will ?

If you had listened to Rush, he would have told you why. He
mentions it about once a week. The reason I do not believe
you listen to Rush is that you can only fling insults at
him and not argue in the arena if ideas.


You pray about that Todd and see what Jesus tells you. LOL !!


Jesus said those that hate him will hate you too. Just
the way things are.

-T

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

So what's with "white hookers" ? If Martin Luther King Jr.
had "a thing" for hookers what possible difference could it
make to a decent christian like you if she's white ? Yeah,
that righteous indignation **** ain't gonna fly, Todd. One
doesn't need a good nose to smell the racism in your posts,
they absolutely reek of it.

That was just an unfortunate moral short coming of his.
Look it up. This is one man I am talking about,
not a race. A Christian man that I highly admire
by the way.

You complete missed the point. Reverend King's words
strike a moral cord. I used Reverend King as an example
of someone that liberals like. And as a Christian,
that makes the Reverend King my spiritual brother.
So bugger off on the racism slurs.

So if you are still missing the point, listen to
the words and do not trash those words because
of a short coming in the personal life.

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. Your behavior
has been reprehensible. Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. And, I make a very
good friend.

Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


Oh that is real cleaver.

No fish
 

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?

Why do you want to insist that the honest truth is an insult ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

No fish
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


This is a moral difference between us. I would put you out.
Regardless of how many insults or slurs you called me.
Though I would not **** on you.

-T