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I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your
favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On 2009-09-27 20:00:15 -0400, rw said:
I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. You hear that, Miller? You hear that? You laughed when I did a full Reid on Penns and watched my fly box float down the river. Ya never even blinked twice - just watched it go. Never tried to save it. Just giggled when ya asked me if that (pointing off in the distance) was my fly box. Remember this, Miller, pay backs are hell! d;o) |
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David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-27 20:00:15 -0400, rw said: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. You hear that, Miller? You hear that? You laughed when I did a full Reid on Penns and watched my fly box float down the river. Ya never even blinked twice - just watched it go. Never tried to save it. Just giggled when ya asked me if that (pointing off in the distance) was my fly box. Remember this, Miller, pay backs are hell! d;o) hell, i've lost that many flies in the trees and rhodos on snowbird creek...but, the image of you neck deep in penns remains vivid and startling, and from this distance, sorta humorous...i'd be dumbstruck again i'm sure...wasn't intentional, and we both probably would have drowned if i'd leapt to your aid. blue rock hole is kinda deep where you went in...and you popped up in no time. never saw the box of flies...but my vigil for lost fly boxes is much improved. i'll do better next time...promise. ...and, i've had my own rude experiences with penns to satisfy any karmic need... jeff :) |
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On Sep 27, 8:16*pm, jeff wrote:
David LaCourse wrote: On 2009-09-27 20:00:15 -0400, rw said: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble.. You hear that, Miller? *You hear that? *You laughed when I did a full Reid on Penns and watched my fly box float down the river. *Ya never even blinked twice - just watched it go. *Never tried to save it. *Just giggled when ya asked me if that (pointing off in the distance) was my fly box. *Remember this, Miller, pay backs are hell! d;o) hell, i've lost that many flies in the trees and rhodos on snowbird creek...but, the image of you neck deep in penns remains vivid and startling, and from this distance, sorta humorous...i'd be dumbstruck again i'm sure...wasn't intentional, and we both probably would have drowned if i'd leapt to your aid. *blue rock hole is kinda deep where you went in...and you popped up in no time. never saw the box of flies...but my vigil for lost fly boxes is much improved. i'll do better next time...promise. ...and, i've had my own rude experiences with penns to satisfy any karmic need... jeff :) I've never lost a whole box. I do get angry when I retrieve a leader with a squiggly tippet meaning I am a dumbass and cannot tie a knot let alone tie a fly. This is not the only evidence of being a dumbass. Several years ago, I landed a nice fish (yes I was keeping fish at the time), and somehow in my excitement and without even knowing it let loose of my entire stringer. I searched hi and low for a stringer full of trout to no avail. I got out of the stream and quit. |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw
wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. |
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Charlie S wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I think the best way to keep from losing a fly box is to tether it to your vest or your shirt with some heavy mono. I don't do it, but I should. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Sep 27, 5:00*pm, rw wrote:
I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. For me its to loose a fish at the knot. For non FFing it has to be stuff I leave on the roof of my van and forget. But getting to the river where you remember that you took the better reel out of the van last week and its still back at home, . . . sucks too. Dave |
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In message 2009092721042616807-dplacourse@aolcom, David LaCourse
writes On 2009-09-27 20:00:15 -0400, rw said: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. You hear that, Miller? You hear that? You laughed when I did a full Reid on Penns and watched my fly box float down the river. Ya never even blinked twice - just watched it go. Never tried to save it. Just giggled when ya asked me if that (pointing off in the distance) was my fly box. Remember this, Miller, pay backs are hell! d;o) In the past, I've been asked by novice fly-tiers "what flies should I tie?" I usually tell them to ignore the majority of patterns shown in the magazines as each week/month there is always the latest killer fly. Tying every fly on sight will mean the novice will end up with a box of too many useless unwanted flies. I normally advise asking around the locals which flies are "good" on our local waters and then tie a few of those. Most likely I'd suggest no more than about 6 patterns and then tie them in a few different sizes. To lose a box of these flies would be a sad thing anyway but to lose a box full of unwanted/unused flies costing quite a bit of cash would be just a total waste of resources. Of course the box might have sentimental value anyway. -- Bill Grey |
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In message , Charlie S
writes On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. Talking of glasses, I bought a pair of those Polaroid plus magnifier glasses which cost me about 20 uk pounds. The first day I was going to use them I was having a lift with two palls to a fishery. I showed the glasses to one of my mates then after he gave them back and we had arrived at our destination I couldn't find the glasses. 20 quid gone and never saw the glasses again :-( -- Bill Grey |
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In message , rw
writes Charlie S wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I think the best way to keep from losing a fly box is to tether it to your vest or your shirt with some heavy mono. I don't do it, but I should. I have customised my flybox with a bit of "Celtic" pyrography. I'd hate to lose that. -- Bill Grey |
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"rw" wrote in message ... I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. Hi all, Robert from Melbourne, Australia here. I lost my favourite C&F nymph fly box on the Eucumbene River up in the high country one day trying to stalk some big browns late in the season. Had about 280 assorted nymphs, mostly bought ones and a few that I tied. Spent the best part of the day walking about 2 miles upstream and back, only realised it was gone when I got back. I was spewing, we sorted thru the first half mile of 2' 6" high grass then gave it a miss. Hopefully some found it before they deteriorated and put them to good use. Here's a link, nice spot. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en...title&resnum=1 |
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On 2009-09-27 21:16:46 -0400, jeff said:
David LaCourse wrote: On 2009-09-27 20:00:15 -0400, rw said: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. You hear that, Miller? You hear that? You laughed when I did a full Reid on Penns and watched my fly box float down the river. Ya never even blinked twice - just watched it go. Never tried to save it. Just giggled when ya asked me if that (pointing off in the distance) was my fly box. Remember this, Miller, pay backs are hell! d;o) hell, i've lost that many flies in the trees and rhodos on snowbird creek...but, the image of you neck deep in penns remains vivid and startling, and from this distance, sorta humorous...i'd be dumbstruck again i'm sure...wasn't intentional, and we both probably would have drowned if i'd leapt to your aid. blue rock hole is kinda deep where you went in...and you popped up in no time. never saw the box of flies...but my vigil for lost fly boxes is much improved. i'll do better next time...promise. ...and, i've had my own rude experiences with penns to satisfy any karmic need... jeff :) Never mind the smiley face! RW has brought back memories I had forgotten. And, damn, that water was cold. Frank would've been proud to see just my had above the surface. d;o) |
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On 2009-09-28 00:17:41 -0400, rw said:
Charlie S wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I think the best way to keep from losing a fly box is to tether it to your vest or your shirt with some heavy mono. I don't do it, but I should. I tried that once, and it was a pia. |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote:
I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. I'll say a sense of humor... Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Well, maybe, but I don't think so... HTH, R ....and in the spirit of a sense of humor, I'll also add that anyone who is carrying so many flies astream that they cannot remember where they obtained, or even the names of, most of them is probably being told something when they lose them... |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:10:11 -0400, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-28 00:17:41 -0400, rw said: Charlie S wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I think the best way to keep from losing a fly box is to tether it to your vest or your shirt with some heavy mono. I don't do it, but I should. I tried that once, and it was a pia. Have you tried to duct-tape it to your rib cage...? A couple of rolls ought to keep it secure... HTH, R |
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On 2009-09-28 09:19:53 -0400, said:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:14:46 -0400, David LaCourse wrote: On 2009-09-28 08:20:17 -0400, said: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:10:11 -0400, David LaCourse wrote: On 2009-09-28 00:17:41 -0400, rw said: Charlie S wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:00:15 -0600, rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I think the best way to keep from losing a fly box is to tether it to your vest or your shirt with some heavy mono. I don't do it, but I should. I tried that once, and it was a pia. Have you tried to duct-tape it to your rib cage...? A couple of rolls ought to keep it secure... HTH, R No, but If we duct taped it over your mouth, the entire world would be a better place. Er, Louie, just because _your_ lips move when you read and write doesn't mean everyone else's does... aikth d;op HTH, R I wasn't speaking of reading, Richard. But, since you brought it up, yeah, duct tape your eyes too. That's *gotta* help. |
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I'm hearing a bunch of whiners here. How 'bout your life. You know
how that can screw up a weekend? Trust me, been there done that. It means... that... Hold on. Yeah, I did die. So how the hell am I typing this? I'll get back to you.. Maybe. Frank "Wait for Halloween" Reid |
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What prompted this thread is that I thought I'd lost nearly all my gear
-- favorite Sage SP rod, favorite Galvan reel, wading boots, and vest containing, in addition to all the usual vest stuff, three large Morrell fly boxes crammed full of flies collected and selected over many years. As I was driving 140 miles round trip to where I thought I'd left my gear, and where I didn't really expect to find it, my thoughts turned to how I'd upgrade -- a new Sage Z-Axis five weight and a new Galvan reel. Fairly pleasant thoughts, but when I thought about the fly boxes my stomach turned. They were literally irreplaceable. I found my stuff. No new gear upgrade this year (except for sal****er). -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Bill Grey wrote:
In the past, I've been asked by novice fly-tiers "what flies should I tie?" I usually tell them to ignore the majority of patterns shown in the magazines as each week/month there is always the latest killer fly. Tying every fly on sight will mean the novice will end up with a box of too many useless unwanted flies. I normally advise asking around the locals which flies are "good" on our local waters and then tie a few of those. Most likely I'd suggest no more than about 6 patterns and then tie them in a few different sizes. To lose a box of these flies would be a sad thing anyway but to lose a box full of unwanted/unused flies costing quite a bit of cash would be just a total waste of resources. Of course the box might have sentimental value anyway. I fish in a lot of different places, Bill -- freestone rivers, spring creeks, tailwaters, lakes. Instead of trying to guess what flies I might need, I carry a pretty wide selection in my vest. The weight and bulk are negligible, and you never know what what finicky trout might desire. I use maybe 10% of the patterns 90% of the time, but sometimes the best catching comes with a little-used fly. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Charlie S wrote:
rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I took a swim in the Pere Marquette a short while back. The canoe got snagged on a submerged log and got sideways to the current at which point the dog (that's right, I'm gonna blame it on the dog ;-) decided to bail tipping one gunwale under water and sending me flying out of the boat. I floated downstream for what seemed like forever before my feet finally hit bottom in water shallow enough to stand. Everything in the canoe was secured and I managed to keep hat, glasses, lanyard and, of course, the paddle with me during the swim. The only thing I lost was a bunch of flies in one of my favorite fly boxes, a Myran eight compartment. Thing is it was in my shirt pocket and if I had just had the pocket flap buttoned I wouldn't have lost it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On 28-Sep-2009, rw wrote: but when I thought about the fly boxes my stomach turned. They were literally irreplaceable. I found my stuff. No new gear upgrade this year (except for sal****er). You are lucky! I turned over a canoe once while fishing and lost my prescription glasses $400 to $450 & a camera I saved my fly rod I would hate to lose fly boxes but they are in the pockets of my vest Fred |
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On 2009-09-28 12:23:38 -0400, "Fred" said:
On 28-Sep-2009, rw wrote: but when I thought about the fly boxes my stomach turned. They were literally irreplaceable. I found my stuff. No new gear upgrade this year (except for sal****er). You are lucky! I turned over a canoe once while fishing and lost my prescription glasses $400 to $450 & a camera I saved my fly rod I would hate to lose fly boxes but they are in the pockets of my vest Fred OK, here's one, happened to me when I was about 12 yo. We were in a cottage on Back Lake (Connecticut Lakes Region) when a guy tipped over his boat losing all his spinning gear include his tackle box, and a very expensive (so he says) knife. Bruce Bacon, local boy, my age, came up with the idea of a diving bell. His mom had a large galvanized wash tub, you know the kind with handles on each side, about 2 feet deep and with a diameter of about 2 1/2 feet. We brought the wash tub to the site of the tip over and secured two paint-bucket-filled-with-congrete anchors to the handles. We place the tub in the water up-side-down, but the buckets of cement weren't heavy enough to sink it. So, back to shore for two more paint buckets. That did the trick. We had about 4 feet of rope connected to each bucket so that the tub "floated" about 4 feet from the bottom of Back Lake. Bruce was first. With fins and a fact mask, he dove down (about 12 feet) and started the search for the guy's equipment. When he needed a breath of air, he went under the tub and up. As he took his breath of air, the water level rose (of course), and he swam around another minute or so looking for more stuff. He came to the surface with two plastic boxes of spinning lures. My turn. I dove down, searched around for a minute or so and found the knive. I then swam under the bucket and up into the air pocket, took a breath (water rising) and continued my search for more stuff. After we each had made two dives, we had to "restock" the air in the tub. Bruce said that we should blow out all the air as we rose to the surface. He didn't say why. It wasn't until years later that I realized how dangerous this "diving bell" was. Long story longer: We found most of the guy's stuff, including two spinning rods/reels, another plastic box of lures and a belt (?). The guy gave us each $5, a helluva lot of money in 1949. Dave ( who was NOT a diver in the Navy) |
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I lost was a bunch of flies in one of my favorite fly boxes, a Myran eight compartment. Thing is it was in my shirt pocket and if I had just had the pocket flap buttoned I wouldn't have lost it. I was out at Penns one year and whilst stepping down a rocky bank, a rock rolled under my feet. A branch caught the loop on one of my fly vest zippers and the combo spin and unzip ended up throwing my tippet, leaders, and lead into the fast current. All replaceable, but Jonas at the Feathered Hook had a field day with my credit card. Was a bit of a pain on the day bumming tippet material. Frank Reid |
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On Sep 28, 10:31*am, David LaCourse wrote:
Snip Cool story. Reminded me of lots of times as a boy spent hanging out at Farrington Lake, Millstone river, and Davison's Mill pond in central Jersey. Thanx Dave |
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On 2009-09-28 14:00:31 -0400, DaveS said:
On Sep 28, 10:31*am, David LaCourse wrote: Snip Cool story. Reminded me of lots of times as a boy spent hanging out at Farrington Lake, Millstone river, and Davison's Mill pond in central Jersey. Thanx Dave There's a post script to the story: A guy was in a boat nearby fly fishing and he observed the second set of dives. He was flabbergasted that we could stay under water for more than 3 minutes. d;o) We didn't tell him of our diving bell. He's probably still telling the story about two boys who dived and held their breath for more than 3 minuts. Dave |
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In message , Ken Fortenberry
writes Charlie S wrote: rw wrote: I'll say a favorite fly box full of your favorite flies for your favorite water. Store-bought flies, self-tied flies, friend's flies -- productive flies that you have confidence in, even if you don't know the names or remember the lineage of most of them. Anything else can be replaced with a lot of money and a little trouble. Did exactly that last month on the upper Brazos, just below Whitney Dam. Got caught in a strainer on my 'yak, and lost not only my fly box, but my eyeglasses as well. :-( MUCH more upset about the glasses, as I had paid $325 to have new lenses put in my favorite old frames just 6 months prior. I have since fixed the problem of losing the flies: I keep all my gear in an Orvis Safe Passage Sling Pack. Keeps everything handy, but safe and out of the way until I want it. I took a swim in the Pere Marquette a short while back. The canoe got snagged on a submerged log and got sideways to the current at which point the dog (that's right, I'm gonna blame it on the dog ;-) decided to bail tipping one gunwale under water and sending me flying out of the boat. I floated downstream for what seemed like forever before my feet finally hit bottom in water shallow enough to stand. Everything in the canoe was secured and I managed to keep hat, glasses, lanyard and, of course, the paddle with me during the swim. The only thing I lost was a bunch of flies in one of my favorite fly boxes, a Myran eight compartment. Thing is it was in my shirt pocket and if I had just had the pocket flap buttoned I wouldn't have lost it. I trust the dog was OK - I'm not worried about you :-) -- Bill Grey |
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In message 200909281331238930-dplacourse@aolcom, David LaCourse
writes Bruce said that we should blow out all the air as we rose to the surface. He didn't say why. It wasn't until years later that I realized how dangerous this "diving bell" was. Yes indeed a simple mistake for the uninitiated but with possible long lasting consequences. The trick would have been to surface no faster than your bubbles assuming you were breathing out. Air embolisms are nasty things. -- Bill Grey |
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In message 2009092814131811272-dplacourse@aolcom, David LaCourse
writes On 2009-09-28 14:00:31 -0400, DaveS said: On Sep 28, 10:31*am, David LaCourse wrote: Snip Cool story. Reminded me of lots of times as a boy spent hanging out at Farrington Lake, Millstone river, and Davison's Mill pond in central Jersey. Thanx Dave There's a post script to the story: A guy was in a boat nearby fly fishing and he observed the second set of dives. He was flabbergasted that we could stay under water for more than 3 minutes. d;o) We didn't tell him of our diving bell. He's probably still telling the story about two boys who dived and held their breath for more than 3 minuts. Dave It was a gutsy thing to do anyway. -- Bill Grey |
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"David LaCourse" wrote Dave ( who was NOT a diver in the Navy) tales of the weird: about 30 years ago, pamlico jim and i and another guy were way up a tiny tributary to the alligator river in far eastern nc, jump shooting ducks. water was black as tar. the boat owner/operator was reckless as hell, and we were winding our way upstream far to fast. he rounded a turn in the creek, the boat hit something (never found out what), and out we all went, asses over elbows. my brand new browning pump came along for the ride. miraculously, no one was hurt, and the boat simply stuck itself in shoreline flora. i figured my gun was a goner. jim said he would come back with some equipment and look for it, but i didn't figure there was any chance. next weekend, i'm back in greensboro, and jim calls. says he has my gun, but it's "frozen up". he had taken another buddy back to the scene of the crime, and they dove in 6-8' of black water feeling along the bottom. amazingly, they found the damn gun. i asked him to take it to a gunsmith and have him try to render it at least minimally operative. a couple weeks later, i go down to pick up my browning, once again thinking the gunsmith would just sadly shake his head and present me with a bill for his failed efforts. long story short, the damn gun, which was a pump, had been transformed into the smoothest, sweetest functioning firearm i have ever experienced. the smithy had torn it completely down, and cleaned/honed/polished every surface. the action would operate by gravity alone. yeah, i paid him a ton of money, but it was worth it. i ran a bunch of shells through "ol' swampy" for about the next couple decades, until it was stolen from my old homeplace by some sonofabitch from southern rowan county. i hope it blew up in his face in some godforsaken dove field. yfitons wayno |
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On Sep 28, 1:33*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote Dave ( who was NOT a diver in the Navy) tales of the weird: *about 30 years ago, pamlico jim and i and another guy were way up a tiny tributary to the alligator river in far eastern nc, jump shooting ducks. *water was black as tar. *the boat owner/operator was reckless as hell, and we were winding our way upstream far to fast. *he rounded a turn in the creek, the boat hit something (never found out what), and out we all went, asses over elbows. *my brand new browning pump came along for the ride. *miraculously, no one was hurt, and the boat simply stuck itself in shoreline flora. *i figured my gun was a goner. *jim said he would come back with some equipment and look for it, but i didn't figure there was any chance. * * next weekend, i'm back in greensboro, and jim calls. *says he has my gun, but it's "frozen up". *he had taken another buddy back to the scene of the crime, and they dove in 6-8' of black water feeling along the bottom. amazingly, they found the damn gun. *i asked him to take it to a gunsmith and have him try to render it at least minimally operative. *a couple weeks later, i go down to pick up my browning, once again thinking the gunsmith would just sadly shake his head and present me with a bill for his failed efforts. * * long story short, the damn gun, which was a pump, had been transformed into the smoothest, sweetest functioning firearm i have ever experienced. the smithy had torn it completely down, and cleaned/honed/polished every surface. *the action would operate by gravity alone. *yeah, i paid him a ton of money, but it was worth it. *i ran a bunch of shells through "ol' swampy" for about the next couple decades, until it was stolen from my old homeplace by some sonofabitch from southern rowan county. * * i hope it blew up in his face in some godforsaken dove field. yfitons wayno Great story. We call that Nth order effects in the military. Very cool. Frank Reid |
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On 2009-09-28 14:31:30 -0400, Bill Grey said:
Yes indeed a simple mistake for the uninitiated but with possible long lasting consequences. The trick would have been to surface no faster than your bubbles assuming you were breathing out. Correct! Years later when I got my NAUI ticket I thought of that day in Back Lake. Dave |
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On 2009-09-28 14:33:32 -0400, "Wayne Harrison" said:
it was stolen from my old homeplace by some sonofabitch from southern rowan county. Yeah, ya gotta watch out for those scalliwags from Rowan County. Good story. Dave |
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Bill Grey wrote:
Ken Fortenberry writes I took a swim in the Pere Marquette a short while back. The canoe got snagged on a submerged log and got sideways to the current at which point the dog (that's right, I'm gonna blame it on the dog ;-) decided to bail tipping one gunwale under water and sending me flying out of the boat. I trust the dog was OK - I'm not worried about you :-) Oh yeah, she was fine until I pulled the canoe off the snag, emptied the water out and told her to get back in. She has no use for the canoe at all and she enjoyed her swim a hell of a lot more than I enjoyed mine. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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In message , Ken Fortenberry
writes Bill Grey wrote: Ken Fortenberry writes I took a swim in the Pere Marquette a short while back. The canoe got snagged on a submerged log and got sideways to the current at which point the dog (that's right, I'm gonna blame it on the dog ;-) decided to bail tipping one gunwale under water and sending me flying out of the boat. I trust the dog was OK - I'm not worried about you :-) Oh yeah, she was fine until I pulled the canoe off the snag, emptied the water out and told her to get back in. She has no use for the canoe at all and she enjoyed her swim a hell of a lot more than I enjoyed mine. Damn! My Lab won't swim! He loves the water and will paddle in any puddle, pond or even stream but backs off when the water level reaches his undercarriage :-) I once waded the river with Lab on tow but swimming apparently happily. When I re-crossed the river I took off his rope lead and he had to swim back himself. He did this well and I stopped halfway across and he just swam around me. I thought he was "cured" but the following day he didn't want to know about swimming. -- Bill Grey |
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David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-28 14:31:30 -0400, Bill Grey said: Yes indeed a simple mistake for the uninitiated but with possible long lasting consequences. The trick would have been to surface no faster than your bubbles assuming you were breathing out. Correct! Years later when I got my NAUI ticket I thought of that day in Back Lake. Dave You wouldn't have had to worry about the bends (nitrogen narcosis) at that depth. What you should have worried about was the buildup of a toxic concentration of carbon dioxide in the diving bell. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Sep 28, 3:48*pm, rw wrote:
David LaCourse wrote: On 2009-09-28 14:31:30 -0400, Bill Grey said: Yes indeed a simple mistake for the uninitiated but with possible long lasting consequences. *The trick would have been to surface no faster than your bubbles assuming you were breathing out. Correct! *Years later when I got my NAUI ticket I thought of that day in Back Lake. Dave You wouldn't have had to worry about the bends (nitrogen narcosis) at that depth. What you should have worried about was the buildup of a toxic concentration of carbon dioxide in the diving bell. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. Isn't an air embolism different than nitrogen narcosis? I don't know anything about it, I was just curious after reading Dave's very interesting story . . . Air embolism - a condition resulting from excess pressure in the lungs- is probably the second most common cause of scuba fatalities. When a man loses his air supply under water, he has an overwhelming instinct to hold his breath and surface immediately. The lack of adequate exhalation during ascent in panic creates excessive pressure in the lungs. This condition has produced air embolism in less than 15 feet of water. Increased lung pressure may also occur in a normal ascent if the diver fails to breathe continuously. nitrogen narcosis n. A condition of confusion or stupor resulting from increased levels of dissolved nitrogen in the blood, as that occurring in deep-sea divers breathing air under high pressure. |
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In message , rw
writes You wouldn't have had to worry about the bends (nitrogen narcosis) The bends are NOT Nitrogen Narcossis. -- Bill Grey |
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, mr.rapidan writes Isn't an air embolism different than nitrogen narcosis? Yes indeed! -- Bill Grey |
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