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Fred October 12th, 2009 10:26 PM

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I - or we have changed some plans due to some financial and other reasons
My grandchildren 11 and 8 are getting older and growing up
(I must be getting older also)
so
I am faced w a choice of fishing trips

Take one " exotic " trip and as many as I want locally MT. WY and ID
or take one w a grandchild at a lodge w a guide
My grand daughter will be 12 in Dec and she is very mature for her age - She
of course matured faster that her brother
Her brother is still a terror as I was at his age but Alexis is willing and
quite anxious to go
We would go for 6-7 days 4 -5 of them fishing days I figure and extra 2 for
flying over and above say 6-7 days or so at a lodge with a guide
Wherever we go I will hire a guide full time on the water as I want to be
certain Alexis is 100% safe
It will be next July or August

This will be our first trip so I want her to catch fish but most importantly
, have fun and a great time
Me
I want a King on a fly rod

I figure Patagonia, New Zealand and Russia are too far for a week or a
little more and I do not want to go to Mexico

Here is my question for this group and my choices so far -

Kodiak Island - I have a couple of places in mind the Agfoniak Lodge
Labrador - large Bookies and I always wanted to go - no guide nor place in
mind as yet

Elsewhere in Alaska?? My king salmon dream We have friends near Anchorage
I did not like the area I would like to see Nome - suggestions of places
and guides for Alaska are welcome

Oregon Coast for salmon and steelies - steelie fishing may not be for her

Atlantic Salmon - Mirimachi and other rivers - Atlantic salmon are 1,000,000
casts per catch!
Lodges are expensive but nice

Iceland - I have been there - also very expensive for a good beat on a
river
She would love Reykjavik -

I would like a place where there are other things for her to do besides fish
- ride?
Another option would be a ranch by Yellowstone - but that may be too much
like home

I always wanted to see Prince Rupert and Smoothers -suggestions there are
welcome as is all of BC and Alberta

Any other ideas or suggestions even for specific outfitters are appreciated
in advance -

Merci
Fred

Fred October 12th, 2009 10:27 PM

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Sorry Fishing not ishing or wishing just palin old fishing - like the name
of this group ROFF

Fred

mr.rapidan October 12th, 2009 11:05 PM

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On Oct 12, 5:27*pm, "Fred" wrote:
just palin old fishing


You couldn't help bringing politics into this, could you?


David LaCourse October 12th, 2009 11:09 PM

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Any other ideas or suggestions even for specific outfitters are appreciated
in advance -


Labrador would be fun and relatively inexpensive, but the black flies,
mosquitoes, nosee'ems, and other flying wild life would be too much for
them to endure. Alaska - too expensive. Russia - too expensive and
bad food. Patagonia - logistics and expensive.

Make an adventure out of it. Float the Middle Fork of the Salmon River
in Idaho. It would be relatively inexpensive, and the camping out each
night would be fun. And, it is safe. Lots of Cutts easy to catch
too. I was going to do that this summer with my 19 yo grand daughter,
but she chickened out. It is a trip I hope to make before I die.

Dave



Ken Fortenberry October 12th, 2009 11:11 PM

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mr.rapidan wrote:
"Fred" wrote:
just palin old fishing


You couldn't help bringing politics into this, could you?


That damn Fred is always bringing politics into this fly fishing
newsgroup.

Good catch, Kyle.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Frank Reid[_2_] October 13th, 2009 12:04 AM

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Another thing you can try is something totally different. Float the
Buffalo River in Arkansas for world class smallies. Kings? Michigan
or NY. Just a thought.
Frank Reid


David LaCourse October 13th, 2009 12:52 AM

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On 2009-10-12 19:04:06 -0400, Frank Reid said:

Another thing you can try is something totally different. Float the
Buffalo River in Arkansas for world class smallies. Kings? Michigan
or NY. Just a thought.
Frank Reid




David LaCourse October 13th, 2009 12:56 AM

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On 2009-10-12 19:04:06 -0400, Frank Reid said:

Another thing you can try is something totally different. Float the
Buffalo River in Arkansas for world class smallies. Kings? Michigan
or NY. Just a thought.
Frank Reid


Kings (Chinook) would be a little too much for a kid. Hell, it was
almost a little too much for this old man - getting out of the boat and
chasing that thing down river with my reel giving off a high pitched
scream. d;o( Peter and the guide laughing didn't help either. d;o(



Fred October 13th, 2009 01:50 AM

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On 12-Oct-2009, David LaCourse wrote:

Make an adventure out of it. Float the Middle Fork of the Salmon River
in Idaho. It would be relatively inexpensive, and the camping out each
night would be fun. And, it is safe. Lots of Cutts easy to catch
too. I was going to do that this summer with my 19 yo grand daughter,
but she chickened out. It is a trip I hope to make before I die.


. Alaska - too expensive.


Dave Thanks.
The above is a very good idea and I will look into perhaps for this yr
but
I want something myself more exotic and re camping for her first extended
trip
I would rather break her into that after this trip
We can always go some somewhere 4 hrs - 5 away near Bozeman MT - just her
and I or w gandma

But

If you were ever to do that trip
We would be pleased to meet up with you
re
My grandson - I am gonna wait at least 4-5 yrs as He knows everything
already !!

Alaska is doable $$ wise and I have 28oor 29,000 free miles

I like Kodiak and I caught some nice fish
Even made a few friends there.

I did not like the missle silos - Fred again w
politics!!!!!

There seem to be many distinct and different regions to Alaska
Ive only seen 5?
but
I don't even want to know about combat fishing - Again w politics!!!

Lexis' parents have to of course OK wherever she goes.

Fred

DaveS October 13th, 2009 06:03 AM

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On Oct 12, 2:26*pm, "Fred" wrote:
I - or we have changed some plans due to some financial and other reasons
My grandchildren 11 and 8 are *getting older and growing up
(I must be getting older also)
so
I am faced w a choice of fishing trips

Take one " exotic " trip and as many as I want locally MT. WY and ID
or take one w a grandchild at a lodge w a guide
My grand daughter will be 12 in Dec and she is very mature for her age - She
of course matured faster that her brother
Her brother is still a terror as I was at his age but Alexis is willing and
quite anxious to go
We would go for 6-7 days 4 -5 of them fishing days I figure and extra 2 for
flying over and above say 6-7 days or so at a lodge with a guide
Wherever we go I will hire a guide full time on the water as I want to be
certain Alexis is 100% safe
It will be next July or August

This will be our first trip so I want her to catch fish but most importantly
, have fun and a great time
Me
I want a *King on a fly rod

I figure Patagonia, New Zealand and Russia are too far for a week or a
little more and I do not want to go to Mexico

Here is my question for this group and my choices so far -

Kodiak Island - I have a couple of places in mind the Agfoniak Lodge
Labrador - large Bookies and I always wanted to go - no guide nor place in
mind as yet

Elsewhere in Alaska?? *My king salmon dream *We have friends near Anchorage
I did not like the area I would like to see Nome - suggestions of places
and guides for Alaska are welcome

Oregon Coast for salmon and steelies *- *steelie fishing may not be for her

Atlantic Salmon - Mirimachi and other rivers - Atlantic salmon are 1,000,000
casts per catch!
Lodges are expensive but nice

Iceland - I have been there - also very expensive *for a good beat on a
river
She would love Reykjavik -

I would like a place where there are other things for her to do besides fish
- ride?
Another option would be a ranch by Yellowstone - but that may be too much
like home

I always wanted to see Prince Rupert and Smoothers -suggestions there are
welcome as is all of BC and Alberta

Any other ideas or suggestions even for specific outfitters are appreciated
in advance -

Merci
Fred


Suggestion: Southeast Alaska.
Take the Alaska ferry up the inside passage, out of Bellingham, Wa.
Get off at Petersburg. Fish opportunity. Stay at waterfront motel or
B&B.
Take Alaska ferry out to Sitka. Fish opportunity. Stay at waterfront
motel or B&B.
Take Alaska ferry out to Juneau.Fish opportunity. Stay at downtown
hotel motel or B&B.
Take float plane to or ferry to Haines.Fish opportunity. Stay at hotel
in 1890s Army barracks.
Fly out of Haines.

Get reservations VERY early in year. DO not take a vehicle or animal.
Pack in packs. a tent is handy, but take duct tape to tape tent to
decks. Get rooms close to docks/guides in these Alaskan towns. Eat
where locals eat. etc.

Dave


Jon[_4_] October 13th, 2009 03:10 PM

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On Oct 12, 3:26*pm, "Fred" wrote:

Take one " exotic " trip and as many as I want locally MT. WY and ID
or take one w a grandchild at a lodge w a guide


Seems like a no-brainer. Make the memories with your grandkid.

Other's have made good suggestions already. I think "big salmon" or
steelhead would not make a fun trip for a kid -- too few fish, too
much work for each. How long is a kid going to cast a big rod and big
fly? If you are set on AK, I'd pick the time/loc when the kid can get
into pink salmon. They can catch as many as they want for an hour or
two, then take a break and watch you fish for bigger ones. I like the
middle fork float trip idea too, wild non-phd fish, probably a lot of
dry fly action -- a kid would like that. You mentioned riding, maybe a
second trip is a multi-day pack trip into some mountain lakes. Or into
the Yellowstone backcountry. Again, wild eager fish, just what a kid
needs to get hooked.

Jon.

David LaCourse October 13th, 2009 11:29 PM

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On 2009-10-13 10:10:48 -0400, Jon said:

You mentioned riding, maybe a
second trip is a multi-day pack trip into some mountain lakes. Or into
the Yellowstone backcountry. Again, wild eager fish, just what a kid
needs to get hooked.

Jon.


Hi, Jon

I fished with some folks in Labrador last year from California who were
going on a multi-day pack trip (horses and mules). They mentioned it
and said it was something the four of them did every couple of years.
I neglected to get any info from them, and have lost the two e-mail
addees given to me.

Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)? It would be
ideal for my oldest grandson, his wife, and Jo and me. I need to do
some of these things that I have always wanted to do with family.

Hope you and your mule are well. d;o)

Dave



CalifBill October 14th, 2009 06:23 AM

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"Fred" wrote in message
...

On 12-Oct-2009, David LaCourse wrote:

Make an adventure out of it. Float the Middle Fork of the Salmon River
in Idaho. It would be relatively inexpensive, and the camping out each
night would be fun. And, it is safe. Lots of Cutts easy to catch
too. I was going to do that this summer with my 19 yo grand daughter,
but she chickened out. It is a trip I hope to make before I die.


. Alaska - too expensive.


Dave Thanks.
The above is a very good idea and I will look into perhaps for this yr
but
I want something myself more exotic and re camping for her first extended
trip
I would rather break her into that after this trip
We can always go some somewhere 4 hrs - 5 away near Bozeman MT - just her
and I or w gandma

But

If you were ever to do that trip
We would be pleased to meet up with you
re
My grandson - I am gonna wait at least 4-5 yrs as He knows everything
already !!

Alaska is doable $$ wise and I have 28oor 29,000 free miles

I like Kodiak and I caught some nice fish
Even made a few friends there.

I did not like the missle silos - Fred again w
politics!!!!!

There seem to be many distinct and different regions to Alaska
Ive only seen 5?
but
I don't even want to know about combat fishing - Again w politics!!!

Lexis' parents have to of course OK wherever she goes.

Fred


Look at Panama. About 25% the cost of Alaska.



David LaCourse October 14th, 2009 12:41 PM

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On 2009-10-14 01:23:27 -0400, "CalifBill" said:

Look at Panama. About 25% the cost of Alaska.


Yeah, and those Panamanian trout are bigger than Alaska's.

I lived in Panama for four years. I wouldn't go near that place!



Jon[_4_] October 14th, 2009 02:57 PM

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On Oct 13, 4:29*pm, David LaCourse wrote:

Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.

Hope you and your mule are well. *d;o)


Well...there's a Reid-ish story to answer that, but life is always
good out here...

Jon.

Ken Fortenberry October 14th, 2009 04:33 PM

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Jon wrote:
Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.


The trip I've always wanted to take, if I was ever to get
on a friggin' horse again (highly doubtful), is into the
Two Ocean Pass area of the Teton Wilderness just south of
Yellowstone. The cutthroat fishing on the upper Yellowstone
and Thorofare Creek is alleged to be fantastic.

I've thought about a backpacking trip up in there but it's
too long a round trip to be realistic anymore and would
have been quite the challenge even as a youngster. Hmmmm,
I wonder if I could rent a pair of llamas ? That might be
the ticket for the "horse averse".

The Wind Rivers are nice, we did a 10 day backpacking trip
and I caught some decent fish up there but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] October 14th, 2009 05:58 PM

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:33:11 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Jon wrote:
Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.


The trip I've always wanted to take, if I was ever to get
on a friggin' horse again (highly doubtful), is into the
Two Ocean Pass area of the Teton Wilderness just south of
Yellowstone. The cutthroat fishing on the upper Yellowstone
and Thorofare Creek is alleged to be fantastic.

I've thought about a backpacking trip up in there but it's
too long a round trip to be realistic anymore and would
have been quite the challenge even as a youngster. Hmmmm,
I wonder if I could rent a pair of llamas ? That might be
the ticket for the "horse averse".

The Wind Rivers are nice, we did a 10 day backpacking trip
and I caught some decent fish up there but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.


Maybe Obama will promise to take you to Fawn Lake...he could get Axelrod to tote
ya up there in his front-end loader...

HTH,
R

Fred October 14th, 2009 07:05 PM

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On 14-Oct-2009, Ken Fortenberry wrote:

but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.

--


Same here!
Thanks to all for their great advice.
I am pumped and looking forward to making and organozing my first tripp w my
grand daughter
My grandson -(the terror) is still 4-5 yrs away from a trip

I have contacted some outfitters on the Snake for raft and drift boat trips
( a fu;; days drive).

I will also contact some outfitters near Yellowstone for a pack trip
I would like to pack in my fishing mandolin and a keyboard for her - she
already rides and she pays a great piano
We will probably have to do tailored trip to a river or some streams

We will limit it to 3-4 days 5 or 6 w travel - not too far from home
Thats enough for a young pre teenager who is getting real popular
We can get into more exotic fishing trips - after this initial one

I did conatct an outfitter in Joseph OR who would take us on the Grande
Ronde for 4 days
Is anyone familiar w this river or area?

Thanks again for all the sagacity on the list.

One can still get some good info and advice on this nutso list!

Fred

family-outdoors October 14th, 2009 07:16 PM

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On Oct 14, 11:58*am, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:33:11 -0500, Ken Fortenberry



wrote:
Jon wrote:
Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.


The trip I've always wanted to take, if I was ever to get
on a friggin' horse again (highly doubtful), is into the
Two Ocean Pass area of the Teton Wilderness just south of
Yellowstone. The cutthroat fishing on the upper Yellowstone
and Thorofare Creek is alleged to be fantastic.


I've thought about a backpacking trip up in there but it's
too long a round trip to be realistic anymore and would
have been quite the challenge even as a youngster. Hmmmm,
I wonder if I could rent a pair of llamas ? That might be
the ticket for the "horse averse".


The Wind Rivers are nice, we did a 10 day backpacking trip
and I caught some decent fish up there but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.


Maybe Obama will promise to take you to Fawn Lake...he could get Axelrod to tote
ya up there in his front-end loader...

HTH,
R


I have a feeling that if Axlerod HAD a front-end loader he'd be busy
with it at Fox "News":)

Here's an Alaska suggestion...
Copper River Valley...Gulkana and Klutina Rivers are outstanding.
Plenty of good guides and lodging is reasonable. On road system but
still Alaska feel to the area. Caveat...the Klutina in particular can
be unforgiving. Probably ok with guide. Other rivers less known in
area but worthwhile include Tonsina (South towards Valdez a bit) and
the Tangles River/Lake areas. The drive from Anchortown is 4-5 hours
and then if you were to stay in Glennallen (most central to all these
rivers but not my favorite place)...Caribou Motel used to be decent
and reasonable...you could head off in any of the directions to these
rivers. If you were to focus on the Gulkana and Tangles areas, Paxson
Lodge used to be fine. I am going back 10 years on these experiences.
In addition to salmon and trout there are some nice grayling streams
up in the Tangles Lakes area.

SE Alaska, where I grew up, is an awesome place. However, summer
weather is often cold and rainy, though better than other times of
year. You could easily have a week straight of foul weather. The
guide costs would be more in SE as well due to where you have to get
to for the fishing. Often a float plane trip is involved or a long
boat trip...obviously raising cost quite a bit.

Paul

[email protected] October 14th, 2009 08:59 PM

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:16:18 -0700 (PDT), Family-Outdoors
wrote:


...Axlerod...


Ya know, you may be on to something there...sooner or later, with the load of
**** he's generally dispensing, he's gonna snap, and it's not gonna be
pretty...or fragrant...

HTH,
R
....and frankly, it's becoming clear that someone told the administration flacks
and FOX News there was a pony to be found...

Ken Fortenberry October 14th, 2009 09:13 PM

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Fred wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.


Same here!
Thanks to all for their great advice.
I am pumped and looking forward to making and organozing my first tripp w my
grand daughter
My grandson -(the terror) is still 4-5 yrs away from a trip

I have contacted some outfitters on the Snake for raft and drift boat trips
( a fu;; days drive).

I will also contact some outfitters near Yellowstone for a pack trip ...


The trip I was dreaming about is in the Buffalo District of the
Teton Wilderness. Here is a list of all the legal outfitters in
the Buffalo District:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/btnf/teton/h...tterlist.shtml

Good luck, planning a trip is almost as much fun as taking one. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Giles October 15th, 2009 02:07 AM

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On Oct 14, 11:58*am, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:33:11 -0500, Ken Fortenberry





wrote:
Jon wrote:
Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.


The trip I've always wanted to take, if I was ever to get
on a friggin' horse again (highly doubtful), is into the
Two Ocean Pass area of the Teton Wilderness just south of
Yellowstone. The cutthroat fishing on the upper Yellowstone
and Thorofare Creek is alleged to be fantastic.


I've thought about a backpacking trip up in there but it's
too long a round trip to be realistic anymore and would
have been quite the challenge even as a youngster. Hmmmm,
I wonder if I could rent a pair of llamas ? That might be
the ticket for the "horse averse".


The Wind Rivers are nice, we did a 10 day backpacking trip
and I caught some decent fish up there but I much prefer
stream fishing to high country lake fishing.


Maybe Obama will promise to take you to Fawn Lake...he could get Axelrod to tote
ya up there in his front-end loader...

HTH,
R


You ever wonder how life might have different if you had ever actually
done or said anything?

Moron.

g.

Giles October 15th, 2009 02:09 AM

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On Oct 14, 2:59*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:16:18 -0700 (PDT), Family-Outdoors
wrote:

...Axlerod...


Ya know, you may be on to something there...sooner or later, with the load of
**** he's generally dispensing, he's gonna snap, and it's not gonna be
pretty...or fragrant...

HTH,
R
...and frankly, it's becoming clear that someone told the administration flacks
and FOX News there was a pony to be found...


Idiot.

g.

David LaCourse October 15th, 2009 02:29 AM

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On 2009-10-14 09:57:38 -0400, Jon said:

On Oct 13, 4:29*pm, David LaCourse wrote:

Do you have any info on such a trip (not in Yellowstone)?


Nope. Not enough water down this way to call a pack trip a fishing
trip (though you might do some fishing on a pack trip). The guys up
north would know more than I, though I recall hearing that the Wind
River range in WY has trips that hit multiple high country lakes.

Hope you and your mule are well. *d;o)


Well...there's a Reid-ish story to answer that, but life is always
good out here...

Jon.


Thanks, Jon. I do believe it was the Wind River range in WY that they
were talking about. I'll look into it. It's great having a wife who
is now retired and can travel with me.

Just pulled in about an hour ago after a 12 hour drive from southern VA.

Now, as far as that mule tale is concerned: You must entertain us with it.

Dave



Wayne Harrison October 15th, 2009 04:57 PM

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"David LaCourse" wrote Just pulled in about an hour
ago after a 12 hour drive from southern VA.

*******! you were in southern va and didn't bring little j another 40 miles
south to see me?

you'll pay for this, pirate.

yfitons
wayno



David LaCourse October 15th, 2009 07:52 PM

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On 2009-10-15 11:57:54 -0400, "Wayne Harrison" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote Just pulled in about an hour
ago after a 12 hour drive from southern VA.

*******! you were in southern va and didn't bring little j another 40 miles
south to see me?

you'll pay for this, pirate.

yfitons
wayno


Yeah, yeah, yeah. The last time I was in Charlette I called you,
remember? Remember what you said? No? Uhhhh, neither do I. We were
in the neighborhood and not in a great rush. Forgive me for not
calling this time.

Looks like we will be buying a small home on a 2000 ft high ridge in
the Chatahoogee Nat'l Forest (near Helen, GA). Unbelievable view from
the sun room - facing west, with a view from south to almost directly
north. It will be a good place for you and jeffie as a starting point
to do some fishing. Plenty of room for you and your SO, plus Jeff and
Rachel and their dog. You'll have your own room and bath. I'll cook.
You supply the booze.

Jo's not *quite* convinced we "need" it, but I have to get out of this
damn People's Republic of Massachusetts. The roads up here are a joke,
as are the schools and the entire infrastructure. And the winters are
getting to my sore bones.

Dave




jeff October 15th, 2009 11:34 PM

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David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-10-15 11:57:54 -0400, "Wayne Harrison" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote Just pulled in about an
hour
ago after a 12 hour drive from southern VA.

*******! you were in southern va and didn't bring little j another 40
miles
south to see me?

you'll pay for this, pirate.

yfitons
wayno


Yeah, yeah, yeah. The last time I was in Charlette I called you,
remember? Remember what you said? No? Uhhhh, neither do I. We were
in the neighborhood and not in a great rush. Forgive me for not calling
this time.

Looks like we will be buying a small home on a 2000 ft high ridge in the
Chatahoogee Nat'l Forest (near Helen, GA). Unbelievable view from the
sun room - facing west, with a view from south to almost directly
north. It will be a good place for you and jeffie as a starting point
to do some fishing. Plenty of room for you and your SO, plus Jeff and
Rachel and their dog. You'll have your own room and bath. I'll cook.
You supply the booze.

Jo's not *quite* convinced we "need" it, but I have to get out of this
damn People's Republic of Massachusetts. The roads up here are a joke,
as are the schools and the entire infrastructure. And the winters are
getting to my sore bones.

Dave




hell wayno's near bout as bad as what he's complaining of...boy's been
threatening a visit east for a year.

looking forward to seeing the view...i drove through helen once on my
way outta hotlanta headed to robbinsville. looked like a pleasant spot
to perch for a while. hope you're not giving up on the rapid though, as
i feel like i need at least one more visit - without the 9/11 pressure -
and with rachel and gia. wouldn't be quite right if you weren't there...

jeff

David LaCourse October 16th, 2009 12:38 AM

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On 2009-10-15 18:34:52 -0400, jeff said:

hell wayno's near bout as bad as what he's complaining of...boy's been
threatening a visit east for a year.


Well, he's got one of them there fancy cars, a Jag-u-ar, and what with
his pretty woman, he doesn't need a country lawyer.

looking forward to seeing the view...i drove through helen once on my
way outta hotlanta headed to robbinsville. looked like a pleasant spot
to perch for a while. hope you're not giving up on the rapid though, as
i feel like i need at least one more visit - without the 9/11 pressure
- and with rachel and gia. wouldn't be quite right if you weren't
there...


It's away from Helen which is one helluva tourist trap.

Won't (read "can't") give up the Rapid. It is truly my home. So, if
you, Rachel, and the pup make it up this way, we'll pick you up in
Portland (or Manchester) and lend you one of the cars. Such a deal!
d;o)

Dave




jeff October 16th, 2009 02:24 AM

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David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-10-15 18:34:52 -0400, jeff said:

hell wayno's near bout as bad as what he's complaining of...boy's been
threatening a visit east for a year.


Well, he's got one of them there fancy cars, a Jag-u-ar, and what with
his pretty woman, he doesn't need a country lawyer.

looking forward to seeing the view...i drove through helen once on my
way outta hotlanta headed to robbinsville. looked like a pleasant spot
to perch for a while. hope you're not giving up on the rapid though,
as i feel like i need at least one more visit - without the 9/11
pressure - and with rachel and gia. wouldn't be quite right if you
weren't there...


It's away from Helen which is one helluva tourist trap.

Won't (read "can't") give up the Rapid. It is truly my home. So, if
you, Rachel, and the pup make it up this way, we'll pick you up in
Portland (or Manchester) and lend you one of the cars. Such a deal! d;o)

Dave




getting there will be part of our vacation i think...2 days up, 2 back?
so, a 10 day trip? we won't put gia in a plane crate apart from
us...she rides with us or we don't go. so, it'll be a drive i reckon.
gonna take some planning...

jeff (gia up on the couch in my lap...she's got me just like sadie did.
you gave good advice about another dog. we miss sadie still, but gia
has been a blessing)

jeff

David LaCourse October 16th, 2009 03:09 AM

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On 2009-10-15 21:24:13 -0400, jeff said:

getting there will be part of our vacation i think...2 days up, 2 back?
so, a 10 day trip? we won't put gia in a plane crate apart from
us...she rides with us or we don't go. so, it'll be a drive i reckon.
gonna take some planning...


Plan on spending some time in the Peter Charles Suite.


jeff (gia up on the couch in my lap...she's got me just like sadie did.
you gave good advice about another dog. we miss sadie still, but gia
has been a blessing)


I can understand that. We still miss Charlie and Henry. But Jenny
fills that hole in our hearts, and keeps us amused and loved.

Dave








CalifBill October 16th, 2009 11:49 PM

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"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2009101407414116807-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2009-10-14 01:23:27 -0400, "CalifBill" said:

Look at Panama. About 25% the cost of Alaska.


Yeah, and those Panamanian trout are bigger than Alaska's.

I lived in Panama for four years. I wouldn't go near that place!



Big Sea Trout. Fly fishing is for lots of fish other than salmonids.



David LaCourse October 17th, 2009 01:03 AM

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On 2009-10-16 18:49:47 -0400, "CalifBill" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2009101407414116807-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2009-10-14 01:23:27 -0400, "CalifBill" said:

Look at Panama. About 25% the cost of Alaska.


Yeah, and those Panamanian trout are bigger than Alaska's.

I lived in Panama for four years. I wouldn't go near that place!



Big Sea Trout. Fly fishing is for lots of fish other than salmonids.


It would have to be something besides salmonids. Lived and fished
there. Like I said, I wouldn't go near the place, especially since the
U.S. pulled out.

Dave





Charlie S October 20th, 2009 01:25 AM

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Fred, have you thought about Belize? I hear they have some
outstanding tarpon, bonefish, & permit (ALL catch & release now, by
LAW)! If I had the time & $$, that's the direction I'd pick!

rw October 20th, 2009 02:05 AM

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Charlie S wrote:
Fred, have you thought about Belize? I hear they have some
outstanding tarpon, bonefish, & permit (ALL catch & release now, by
LAW)! If I had the time & $$, that's the direction I'd pick!


Yeah, but if you're a Guatamalin poacher, or even a native Belizean
poacher, the LAW doesn't hold much weight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Fred October 20th, 2009 07:37 PM

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On 14-Oct-2009, Giles wrote:

Idiot.

g.



Its like a mad little toy dog yipping at your heels (mainly after rdean
posts)
You just want to kick it
This mad sad dog wiould probably like it as it
craves attention

Fekipe Alou

Giles October 21st, 2009 03:16 AM

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On Oct 20, 1:37*pm, "Fred" wrote:
On 14-Oct-2009, Giles wrote:

Idiot.


g.


Its like a mad little toy *dog yipping at your heels *(mainly after rdean
posts)
You just want to kick it
This mad sad dog wiould probably like it *as it
craves attention

Fekipe Alou


Attention is easy. Hell, even you can capture mine.

yip, yip.

g.

Fred October 21st, 2009 09:36 PM

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On 20-Oct-2009, Giles wrote:

Attention is easy. Hell, even you can capture mine.

yip, yip.

g.


What a dip**** moron!

One would think that an adult human would have something better to do than
make derogatory comments after ea post on a usenet list -

Hey fool! try masturbation

I wonder if goats can type and masturbate simultaneously
If I remember John Barth - his goat boy was in a constant state of
masturbation or orgasm iwhenever and wherever he could get it.

So here is alittlea dittyy for you - In the Key of GB flat major w a horn
section:

Wolfgang's Jig

You can't help but reply w your asinine and acerbic wit
But in reality we all know know that you are nothing but a twit
A loser and a fool are really the same
Goatboy or Wolfgang or any other name

Bye Bye PIG!
plonk

Jesus Alou

Jesus Alou October 21st, 2009 10:00 PM

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:36:45 GMT, "Fred" wrote:


On 20-Oct-2009, Giles wrote:

Attention is easy. Hell, even you can capture mine.

yip, yip.

g.


What a dip**** moron!

One would think that an adult human would have something better to do than
make derogatory comments after ea post on a usenet list -

Hey fool! try masturbation

I wonder if goats can type and masturbate simultaneously
If I remember John Barth - his goat boy was in a constant state of
masturbation or orgasm iwhenever and wherever he could get it.

So here is alittlea dittyy for you - In the Key of GB flat major w a horn
section:

Wolfgang's Jig

You can't help but reply w your asinine and acerbic wit
But in reality we all know know that you are nothing but a twit
A loser and a fool are really the same
Goatboy or Wolfgang or any other name

Bye Bye PIG!
plonk

Jesus Alou


That's about the 20th time you've allegedly put someone in your alleged
killfile. But a few days later you're back to responding to those same
participants. Every frigging time.

It is highly unlikely that there is anyone here who believes you're actually
smart enough to figure out how to killfile anyone, so spare everyone your
tiresome bull****, stop embarrassing yourself, and STFU already.

Fred October 21st, 2009 10:17 PM

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On 21-Oct-2009, Jesus Alou wrote:

That's about the 20th time you've allegedly put someone in your alleged
killfile. But a few days later you're back to responding to those same
participants. Every frigging time.

It is highly unlikely that there is anyone here who believes you're
actually
smart enough to figure out how to killfile anyone, so spare everyone your
tiresome bull****, stop embarrassing yourself, and STFU already.




I like playing we goats and their minds or lack of it!k
If you don't like it don't read it
And I do know how to killfile you or anyone else
so
KMA

Imbecile!

Mateo Alou

Giles October 22nd, 2009 04:10 AM

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On Oct 21, 3:36*pm, "Fred" wrote:
On 20-Oct-2009, Giles wrote:

Attention is easy. *Hell, even you can capture mine.


yip, yip.


g.


What a dip**** moron!

One would think that an adult human would have something better to do than
make derogatory comments after ea post on a usenet list -

Hey fool! *try masturbation

I wonder if goats can type and masturbate simultaneously
If I remember John Barth - his goat boy was in a constant state of
masturbation or orgasm iwhenever and wherever he could get it.

So here is *alittlea dittyy for you - In the Key of GB flat major w a horn
section:

Wolfgang's Jig

You can't help but reply w your asinine and acerbic wit
But in reality we all know know that you are nothing but a twit
A loser and a fool are really the same
Goatboy or Wolfgang or any other name

Bye Bye PIG!
plonk

Jesus Alou


Ah yes, adult humans. :)

g.



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