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And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:17:37 GMT, "kyle - mr rapidan" kylemrrapidan
wrote:

And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.

Mark Twain National Forest has a lot of acreage just south and east of
St. Louis. Maybe an hour or two of driving. They have trout. I
don't know about brookies. It's in relatively hilly country. Some
people call the Ozarks mountains. You might, too.

Was any of that encouraging?
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"kyle - mr rapidan" kylemrrapidan wrote in message
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And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.

Welcome to St Louis! You have a pretty fair chance of liking it here.

I work in downtown St Louis and live about 20 miles west. I can be in a wild
trout stream, rigged up and fishing, inside of an hour.

Southern Missouri is filled with enormous springs - the size of houses - out
of which water flows at a constant temperature of about 55 - 57 degrees,
thereby creating instant rivers. The railroads that headed west from St
Louis brought trout back from the west and dumped them out of trains into
those streams all over the Missouri Ozarks. A number of streams are
designated "wild trout" streams, meaning that they are not stocked. There
are also numerous stocked streams with different levels of regulation for
different fishing experiences. Finally, there are "Trout Parks" that are
very heavily stocked streams attractive mainly to meat hunters, although
they also have fly-fishing zones also that can, surprisingly, be lots of fun
to fish.

And, of course, St Louis has two fine fly fishing shops: Tom Hargrove's and
Feathercraft. There are others that I have not visited.

Check out the following for more info:

http://teosinte2.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing//

http://www.ozarkflyfishers.org/

http://www.ozarkchronicles.com/

Bob

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"kyle - mr rapidan" kylemrrapidan wrote in message
s.com...
And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.


There's a great fly shop in St. Louis called T. Hargrove's.

There is fishing to be had, a couple of spring creeks that years ago were
stocked with pure strain mcloud rainbows, gurasic park type private water,
the north fork of the white river in ozark all come to mind. And then there
are the trout parks and crossing the border to fish the tailwaters in
Arkansas.

If you want access to a bunch of St. Louis based folks go to the
www.troutbums.com/forums and post something in the fishhead clubhouse

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"kyle - mr rapidan" kylemrrapidan wrote in message
s.com...
And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.


BTW, here are a few photos of Missouri fly fishing . . .

http://webpages.charter.net/rwpatton...y/Missouri.htm

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:15:00 -0600, lid wrote:



Mark Twain National Forest has a lot of acreage just south and east of
St. Louis.

West. West. West. Not east. West.
Sorry.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Kyle:

I moved from St. Louis to Memphis seven years ago gasp. I dream of going
back to a place as horrible for flyfishing as St. Louis. It sure beats
Memphis. In fact, with the exception of barbeque, blues, bible thumpers,
just about everything in St. Louis is better than in Memphis. Despite all
its (many) problems, in my opinion, St. Louis is one of the great American
cities; a great place to live- and I'm not even from there.

Memphis Jim
(The Pacific Northwest still looks like where me and the doctor will end up)


"kyle - mr rapidan" kylemrrapidan wrote in message
s.com...
And I mean *anywhere* near St. Louis! Oh, this is so horrible. If I have
to move there . . . where are the little brookie streams? Are there any
mountains there? Oh, god, oh, god. Someone please say something
encouraging.

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"Memphis Jim" wrote in message
...
Kyle:

I moved from St. Louis to Memphis seven years ago gasp. I dream of
going
back to a place as horrible for flyfishing as St. Louis. It sure beats
Memphis. In fact, with the exception of barbeque, blues, bible thumpers,
just about everything in St. Louis is better than in Memphis. Despite all
its (many) problems, in my opinion, St. Louis is one of the great American
cities; a great place to live- and I'm not even from there.

Memphis Jim
(The Pacific Northwest still looks like where me and the doctor will end
up)


It's interesting - St Louis is generally regarded, if it is regarded at all,
as kind of a mystery place somewhere between Paducah and Davenport . . .
somewhere upstream from Cairo. Yeah - that's it - the place with the golden
arch, right?

Actually, you're right. It is a pretty good place to live. After you get
used to it and learn how to pronounce all those French street names like
"Gravois." Where I work, we find that the best people to recruit are people
who used to live here and now live in other metropolii such as Boston, New
York, or Moorseville.

And it's the home of toasted ravioli, Scott Joplin, Chuck Berry, Budweiser,
and the Cardinals. And now the Rams, who've been here for almost ten years
so St Louis is almost ready to claim them. Even if you don't like Budweiser,
the fact that the biggest business in town brews beer says something!

Finally, I really can be in a wild trout stream in an hour.

Bob

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"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in message
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And it's the home of toasted ravioli, Scott Joplin, Chuck Berry,
Budweiser,
and the Cardinals. And now the Rams, who've been here for almost ten years
so St Louis is almost ready to claim them. Even if you don't like
Budweiser,
the fact that the biggest business in town brews beer says something!

I thought Anhauser-Busch was the biggest business in town! Which business
is brewing beer in St Louis?

Danl

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"Danl" wrote in message
...

"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in message
...


And it's the home of toasted ravioli, Scott Joplin, Chuck Berry,
Budweiser,
and the Cardinals. And now the Rams, who've been here for almost ten
years
so St Louis is almost ready to claim them. Even if you don't like
Budweiser,
the fact that the biggest business in town brews beer says something!

I thought Anhauser-Busch was the biggest business in town! Which business
is brewing beer in St Louis?

Danl

Yah, Yah, Yah. Mere semantics, my man. Mere semantics. :-)
Budweiser ain't so bad, 'specially for something that's made in machinery
that looks, as I once said to a friend at A-B, like an oil refinery.
Besides, what else can you drink at a Cardinals game?
Bob

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Don't forget one of the best zoological parks in the country (free even) and
the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69

Still salivating for Italian food on "da Hill."

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"slenon" wrote in message
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Don't forget one of the best zoological parks in the country (free even)
and
the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial.

--

A facet of St. Louis that few know, and that for some reason is not played
up by the tourism officials is the number of free attractions in St. Louis:

Zoo- Free
Art Musuem- Free, except for traveling exhibits
History Musuem- Free
Grant's Farm (The Busch family's other zoo)- Free
Busch Brewery- Free beer if you take the tour
Municipal Theater- Free if you want to wait until showtime.
Bob, Is there a charge at the Science Museum? I honestly don't remember.

Memphis Jim

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Thanks, everybody. I'm now very encouraged. :) It looks like there are
lots of areas to explore . . .

What kinds of land classifications does Missouri have? Here in PA there are
state forests (where I'm finding most of my favorite backcountry brookie
streams). We also have state gamelands, (smaller) state parks, and a couple
streams I like flow into municipal watersheds.

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Bob Patton wrote:


Yah, Yah, Yah. Mere semantics, my man. Mere semantics. :-)
Budweiser ain't so bad, 'specially for something that's made in machinery
that looks, as I once said to a friend at A-B, like an oil refinery.
Besides, what else can you drink at a Cardinals game?


There's a new Budweiser plant just north of me. It is the most automated
factory I've ever seen. The brewing floor is about the size of a couple
of football fields and on a tour, we only saw one employee on the floor.
The office workers FAR out number the people working in the plant.

Willi

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"Memphis Jim" wrote in message
...

//snip//
Bob, Is there a charge at the Science Museum? I honestly don't remember.

Memphis Jim


No charge at the Science Museum - but they do charge for some special
programs and Omnimax movies. The zoo, art museum, Botanical Garden and
history museum are supported by taxes. Which reminds me, anybody visiting
STL should see the botanical garden. Remarkable. And it's a world-famous
research institution.

St Louis is also home of the St Louis Symphony (a fine orchestra, and second
oldest in the country), and is the birthplace of TS Eliot (but he left and
moved to England), whose grandfather founded Washington University in St
Louis (WU has something like the 9th largest endowment among all
universities in the country). Other interesting points: an old German city,
there were German-language newspapers until the mid-50s. When I moved to St
Louis in 1974 there was still a radio station that broadcast in German. Also
hometown of some of the best Italian restaurants in the country, and of Joe
Garagiola and Yogi Berra.

And in the winter the temperature can go to zero, and in the summer to 100.
Or higher. August is a good time to go fishing somewhere else.

Bob

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Don't forget the historical home of my all time favorite beer name,
Greisedich Brothers Beer.

And St.Louis is still the fur trade capital of the world.

Visitors should also consider seeing Shaw's Garden ( MO Botanical Garden ).

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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The Schlafly Brewery is a good place for some local beer. Anheuser
probably spills more that Schlafly makes, but Schlafly's Oatmeal Stout
or Hefeweizen are hard to beat.

I'm new to fly fishing in St. Louis too. I've canoed a lot of MO
streams, but I never tried the fly fishing. My wife gave me a nice
fly rod & reel for Christmas because she thought I'd like it. Who am
I to argue with that?






"slenon" wrote in message .com...
Don't forget the historical home of my all time favorite beer name,
Greisedich Brothers Beer.

And St.Louis is still the fur trade capital of the world.

Visitors should also consider seeing Shaw's Garden ( MO Botanical Garden ).