What to do with my retrieve?
 

Hi All,

I "finally" got a chance to get out on my river
for an hour after work yesterday. (There is
a trout somewhere in that river bragging to his
friends over my fly he is now sporting in
his lip.)

The spot of water I was targeting was a stretch of
moderate rapids with lots of rocks, vortexes,
hydraulic cushions that trout could practice
their Kármán gaiting.

The one hit I did get was about three feet away
from me on my retrieve. Got to see his head
for a second or so while he threw water over
me and took off with my fly. (Moral of the
story: retie your flies every so often.)

Anyway, the experience got me to thinking about
what to do with my retrieve. I really never
thought much about it before. Usually I am intent
on executing the perfect drift. I know I
got it right when my line moves slower than the top
water and I can feel my split shot occasionally
thumping the rocks on the bottom. Tons of fun!

I fish the drift, not the hatch. This means I
nymph with a lure selection of whatever invertebrate
is currently living in the water and is "clumsy".
I really do not care what is going through a
"metamorphosis" (also known as "the hatch")
I target trout that are Kármán gaiting, as that
is where they are when they are harvesting the
drift.

Anyway, I will typically drift about 40 to 80 feet
at a time, depending on the water. So I really
can not just pick up my line and recast it
when it hits the bottom of my drift (about 20
to 40 feet below me). I like to position
myself in the middle (and side) of my drift.

Question: what do I do with my retrieve?
Steady or bursts? Fast or slow? What does
the group advise?

Many thanks,
-T

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 3/26/2010 7:42 PM, Todd wrote:
Hi All,

I "finally" got a chance to get out on my river
for an hour after work yesterday. (There is
a trout somewhere in that river bragging to his
friends over my fly he is now sporting in
his lip.)

The spot of water I was targeting was a stretch of
moderate rapids with lots of rocks, vortexes,
hydraulic cushions that trout could practice
their Kármán gaiting.

The one hit I did get was about three feet away
from me on my retrieve. Got to see his head
for a second or so while he threw water over
me and took off with my fly. (Moral of the
story: retie your flies every so often.)

Anyway, the experience got me to thinking about
what to do with my retrieve. I really never
thought much about it before. Usually I am intent
on executing the perfect drift. I know I
got it right when my line moves slower than the top
water and I can feel my split shot occasionally
thumping the rocks on the bottom. Tons of fun!

I fish the drift, not the hatch. This means I
nymph with a lure selection of whatever invertebrate
is currently living in the water and is "clumsy".
I really do not care what is going through a
"metamorphosis" (also known as "the hatch")
I target trout that are Kármán gaiting, as that
is where they are when they are harvesting the
drift.

Anyway, I will typically drift about 40 to 80 feet
at a time, depending on the water. So I really
can not just pick up my line and recast it
when it hits the bottom of my drift (about 20
to 40 feet below me). I like to position
myself in the middle (and side) of my drift.

Question: what do I do with my retrieve?
Steady or bursts? Fast or slow? What does
the group advise?

Many thanks,
-T

Yes, whatever works. And if it's not working, do it differently.......
If it IS working, TRY it differently once and a while anyway.


(obligatory fishing story follows)

A buddy of mine and I were fishing Rocky Ford Creek this past February
which is one of the few places in Washington state that has
semi-reliable dry fly fishing in the dead of winter. There wasn't much
of a hatch so the fish were being totally non-cooperative in taking our
midges and assorted what-not offerings.

After a few hours of fruitless casting various drys, I switched to a
'bugger and a full sink line out of boredom. I fished that for about 15
minutes with no action whatsoever as more or less expected. I'd been
using my usual technique of casting, counting down for depth and
stripping in with a slow pulsing strip right along the bottom. That's
how you fish 'buggers, right?

Hah!

Anyway, one miscast was almost right into an outfall screen at the
diversion dam and I hastily stripped line in right on the surface to get
my 'bugger out of danger. A huge bow (nose?) wake came up behind the
fly, a huge mouth appeared, and I almost lost my rod before my 4X leader
snapped. The fish looked to be in the 6 to 8 pound range, which is a
nice trout even at Rocky Ford.

Now, that fish has probably been caught dozens of times, but he'd taken
a 'bugger being stripped in so fast it was almost leaving a v-wake. A
totally wrong technique.

Oh. Hmmm......

So... I tied on a new 'bugger, cast to the side a bit and stripped it in
as fast as I could. Bingo, a 20" (not particularly large for Rocky
Ford) rainbow came up and slammed my fly.

The fast strip 'sort of' worked throughout the rest of the day there,
but was not reliable so I started changing up my retrieve speeds and
styles with regularity hoping to confuse or anger fish into striking. At
the very least I was finally getting a little action, and it kept things
a bit more interesting when I wasn't.

So. Did I get strikes because of a different presentation of the same
fly? Did some fish want a faster retrieve? Who knows.

But it does seem we shouldn't get wedded to any one technique.

my $.02

\s

--
"There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend
on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain

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On 2010-03-26 22:42:29 -0400, Todd said:

I fish the drift, not the hatch. This means I
nymph with a lure selection of whatever invertebrate
is currently living in the water and is "clumsy".
I really do not care what is going through a
"metamorphosis" (also known as "the hatch")
I target trout that are Kármán gaiting, as that
is where they are when they are harvesting the
drift.

HUH? Fish the drift? "Clumsy?" I've been tying flies a helluva long
time, but I am gonna hafta learn how to tie "clumsy" into my nymphs.
I'll tie a clumsy nymph and call it the Full Reid.

Nice tro.......uh, read, Todd.

Dave

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On Mar 27, 10:42*am, Todd wrote:
Hi All,

I "finally" got a chance to get out on my river
for an hour after work yesterday. *(There is
a trout somewhere in that river bragging to his
friends over my fly he is now sporting in
his lip.)

The spot of water I was targeting was a stretch of
moderate rapids with lots of rocks, vortexes,
hydraulic cushions that trout could practice
their Kármán gaiting.

The one hit I did get was about three feet away
from me on my retrieve. *Got to see his head
for a second or so while he threw water over
me and took off with my fly. *(Moral of the
story: retie your flies every so often.)

Anyway, the experience got me to thinking about
what to do with my retrieve. *I really never
thought much about it before. *Usually I am intent
on executing the perfect drift. *I know I
got it right when my line moves slower than the top
water and I can feel my split shot occasionally
thumping the rocks on the bottom. *Tons of fun!

I fish the drift, not the hatch. *This means I
nymph with a lure selection of whatever invertebrate
is currently living in the water and is "clumsy".
I really do not care what is going through a
"metamorphosis" (also known as "the hatch")
I target trout that are Kármán gaiting, as that
is where they are when they are harvesting the
drift.

Anyway, I will typically drift about 40 to 80 feet
at a time, depending on the water. *So I really
can not just pick up my line and recast it
when it hits the bottom of my drift (about 20
to 40 feet below me). *I like to position
myself in the middle (and side) of my drift.

Question: what do I do with my retrieve?
Steady or bursts? *Fast or slow? *What does
the group advise?

Many thanks,
-T

I hate to admit it, but for all my care and obsession with careful
casting, mending, etc etc etc....I catch about 80% of the fish I do
catch on the retrieve. And not just while I'm retrieving, its while
I'm mindlessly reeling fast in to change flies or cast elsewhere.

So I suggest doing what I do....empty your mind, think about the
weather or something, and just reel in fast to get to the fly. See
what happens.

--riverman

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On 03/26/2010 09:57 PM, Steve M wrote:
I'd been
using my usual technique of casting, counting down for depth and
stripping in with a slow pulsing strip right along the bottom. That's
how you fish 'buggers, right?

Just out of curiosity, is this the same way you would fish a Muddler?


Hah!

A huge bow (nose?) wake came up behind the
fly, a huge mouth appeared

This is one of the reasons I do a retrieve, instead of pick up
and recasting. It is total fun when a trout follows your retrieve,
bow wake and all. As one may debate which is more fun: a dry fly hit
on the surface or a slam on a nymph in the drift, nothing competes
with a trout following your fly on a retrieve. The things that
race through your head: faster, slower, when will he see me.
And the awesome spectacle of looking down a trout mouth when he
finally decides to take. Total fun!

-T

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On 03/27/2010 05:53 AM, David LaCourse wrote:

HUH? Fish the drift? "Clumsy?" I've been tying flies a helluva long
time, but I am gonna hafta learn how to tie "clumsy" into my nymphs.
I'll tie a clumsy nymph and call it the Full Reid.

Hi Dave,

Here is a tip. Stoneflies live as nymphs for up to three years
before metamorphosis (the hatch). When the nymph gets "clumsy" and
gets caught in the drift (trout food), he floats up-side-down
with his legs outstretched. Next stonefly you tie, tie it
up-side-down. You can called it your "Clumsy Stone". (If you
catch a lot of fish on it, might I suggest "T's Clumsy Stone"?)

The "drift" is a whole different way of thinking than
the hatch. Turn over a submerged rock: what you find crawling
about is what you imitate.

Fishing the hatch is fun too. So whatever works for you.

-T

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On 03/27/2010 07:55 AM, riverman wrote:

I hate to admit it, but for all my care and obsession with careful
casting, mending, etc etc etc....I catch about 80% of the fish I do
catch on the retrieve. And not just while I'm retrieving, its while
I'm mindlessly reeling fast in to change flies or cast elsewhere.

So I suggest doing what I do....empty your mind, think about the
weather or something, and just reel in fast to get to the fly. See
what happens.

--riverman

Great advise. I have had the same experience. I have
caught more than a few trout on bad casts that I was
just trying to retrieve as fast as I could so I could
do a proper cast (and not embarrass myself further).

The trout I lost about three foot away from me on Thursday
made me think that I should think some more about what
I am doing. I certainly thing a lot about my drifts.
What you suggest is probably the right ticket. Just
crank it in and *not* think about it.

Huge human brain vs trout pea brain. It is annoying trout
win so much of the time.

-T

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On 2010-03-27 16:13:29 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 05:53 AM, David LaCourse wrote:

HUH? Fish the drift? "Clumsy?" I've been tying flies a helluva long
time, but I am gonna hafta learn how to tie "clumsy" into my nymphs.
I'll tie a clumsy nymph and call it the Full Reid.

Hi Dave,

Here is a tip.

Here is a tip: You are on a flyfishing group with people who have been
*successfully* fishing nymphs/dries/wets/streamers for many, many years.
Stoneflies live as nymphs for up to three years
before metamorphosis (the hatch). When the nymph gets "clumsy" and
gets caught in the drift (trout food), he floats up-side-down
with his legs outstretched.

Yeah, sort of like me when I get "clumsy".


Next stonefly you tie, tie it
up-side-down. You can called it your "Clumsy Stone". (If you
catch a lot of fish on it, might I suggest "T's Clumsy Stone"?)

But surely stones aren't the only iddybiddies that get "clumsy".
Should I tie ALL my nymphs up-side-down? When you tie up-side-down,
how do you prevent the blood from rushing to your head and blurring
your sight?

The "drift" is a whole different way of thinking than
the hatch.

I can only imagine.

Turn over a submerged rock: what you find crawling
about is what you imitate.

How deep is this submerged rock? I've fallen over many a submerged
rock and would love to go back and smash the sobs, never mind turning
them over.

What can you possibly mean by fishing the "drift". There is no drift.
I do believe that you are either pulling our collective leg or know
absolutely nothing about fly fishing. I have been turning over
submerged rocks for 50 years. I know what is under them. And, I am a
very successful nymph (those iddybiddy things under the rock) fisherman
for too many years to count. I am NOT a drift fisherman. (???)

Fishing the hatch is fun too. So whatever works for you.

Yeah, the hatch is a lot of fun, as long as you don't sit in the grass
Pennsylvania-style waiting for it. Man, that can be a bummer,
especially when some smart assed Yankee comes up to the pool and starts
catching fish on iddybiddies.

But there is also the wet fly and streamer, and we mustn't forget the
all important terrstrial, grasshoppers, flying ants, etc. Now I am
confused as to which ones I should tie up-side-down (or should I fish
them up-side-down?).

Dave, in wonderment in wonderland

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"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 03/27/2010 07:55 AM, riverman wrote:

I hate to admit it, but for all my care and obsession with careful
casting, mending, etc etc etc....I catch about 80% of the fish I do
catch on the retrieve. And not just while I'm retrieving, its while
I'm mindlessly reeling fast in to change flies or cast elsewhere.

So I suggest doing what I do....empty your mind, think about the
weather or something, and just reel in fast to get to the fly. See
what happens.

--riverman

Great advise. I have had the same experience. I have
caught more than a few trout on bad casts that I was
just trying to retrieve as fast as I could so I could
do a proper cast (and not embarrass myself further).

The trout I lost about three foot away from me on Thursday
made me think that I should think some more about what
I am doing. I certainly thing a lot about my drifts.
What you suggest is probably the right ticket. Just
crank it in and *not* think about it.

Huge human brain vs trout pea brain. It is annoying trout
win so much of the time.

-T

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

Op

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On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.

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On 03/27/2010 02:26 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
What can you possibly mean by fishing the "drift". There is no drift. I
do believe that you are either pulling our collective leg or know
absolutely nothing about fly fishing.

Hi Dave,

Hmm. Is this the first time you have heard the term
"fishing the drift"? I would think with your experience,
you'd be correcting me on particulars aspect of the drift.

It is a simple concept: trout are Kármán gaiting in a
feeding lie. You drift a fake invertebrate past them
in the current. You are fishing "the drift". Sounds
like you do it all the time.

-T

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On 03/27/2010 02:26 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
But surely stones aren't the only iddybiddies that get "clumsy". Should
I tie ALL my nymphs up-side-down?

Stones are the only one I know drift up-side-down.
Mayflies a good swimmers, etc.. The idea is
to match what the trout sees, not what looks good
to us.

Ralph Cutter's "Bugs of the Underworld" has
great video footage. I watch my copy over and
over!

-T

p.s. if you superglue your bench to the ceiling,
then you don't have the blood flow problem when you
tie up-side-down. :-)

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:52:33 -0400, David LaCourse wrote:

On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.

Wow. More than a bit over the top, don't you think?
What a bitter person you must be!

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"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.


YAWN

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On 2010-03-27 20:17:46 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 02:26 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
But surely stones aren't the only iddybiddies that get "clumsy". Should
I tie ALL my nymphs up-side-down?

Stones are the only one I know drift up-side-down.
Mayflies a good swimmers, etc.. The idea is
to match what the trout sees, not what looks good
to us.
Stoneflies normally swim.

Ralph Cutter's "Bugs of the Underworld" has
great video footage. I watch my copy over and
over!

Oh, I imagine you do. d;o(

-T

p.s. if you superglue your bench to the ceiling,
then you don't have the blood flow problem when you
tie up-side-down. :-)

Nah. Too much trouble. I've been tying flies right side up all my
life and they work just fine.

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On 2010-03-27 19:50:31 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 02:26 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
What can you possibly mean by fishing the "drift". There is no drift. I
do believe that you are either pulling our collective leg or know
absolutely nothing about fly fishing.

Hi Dave,

Hmm. Is this the first time you have heard the term
"fishing the drift"? I would think with your experience,
you'd be correcting me on particulars aspect of the drift.

You are the first and only person I've heard that "fishes the drift".
I nymph. My friends nymph. My grandsons nymph. My granddaughter
nymphs. My mom and dad nymphed (with wet flies). Peter, Tom, RW, Ken,
Frank, Handyman, et al, nymph. Perhaps Bowan "drifts", but that's only
because he is contrary.

It is a simple concept: trout are Kármán gaiting in a
feeding lie. You drift a fake invertebrate past them
in the current. You are fishing "the drift". Sounds
like you do it all the time.

Tell me, does your invertebrate drift with the surface current, or the
current underneath the surface current?

I drove a Karmann Ghia one time. Porsche wannabe. Piece of ****.

Dave

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On 2010-03-27 22:01:58 -0400, said:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:52:33 -0400, David LaCourse wrote:

On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.

Wow. More than a bit over the top, don't you think?
What a bitter person you must be!

Oh, and you don't think that Bowen's gratuitous insult was over the
top? Your slip is showing.

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On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.


YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. That's your problem.

Davie

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"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.


YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone who
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

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On 03/27/2010 07:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

You are the first and only person I've heard that "fishes the drift". I
nymph. My friends nymph. My grandsons nymph. My granddaughter nymphs. My
mom and dad nymphed (with wet flies). Peter, Tom, RW, Ken, Frank,
Handyman, et al, nymph. Perhaps Bowan "drifts", but that's only because
he is contrary.

I call it "nymphing" too. When I say "fishing the drift" I
am being more precise as to what I am doing. Specifically,
I am targeting trout that are Kármán gaiting with temptations
that the trout typically see in their diet.

You can nymph in a lake.

Have you never heard the term "trout feeding off the drift"?
If the term offends you too much, just transpose nymph
with drift.

Tell me, does your invertebrate drift with the surface current, or the
current underneath the surface current?

I guess you missed the part about knowing you got it
right when your line goes slower than the surface
current and you can occasionally feel you split shot
thumping a rock.

You need to go fishing!

-T

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On 03/27/2010 07:54 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

Dave!

The "'drift' of the discussion" is pretty clever/funny stuff.
I highly doubt he meant anything uncivil in the slightest.

-T

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On 03/26/2010 09:57 PM, Steve M wrote:

Anyway, one miscast was almost right into an outfall screen at the
diversion dam and I hastily stripped line in right on the surface to get
my 'bugger out of danger. A huge bow (nose?) wake came up behind the
fly, a huge mouth appeared, and I almost lost my rod before my 4X leader
snapped. The fish looked to be in the 6 to 8 pound range, which is a
nice trout even at Rocky Ford.

Now, that fish has probably been caught dozens of times, but he'd taken
a 'bugger being stripped in so fast it was almost leaving a v-wake. A
totally wrong technique.

Oh. Hmmm......

So... I tied on a new 'bugger, cast to the side a bit and stripped it in
as fast as I could. Bingo, a 20" (not particularly large for Rocky Ford)
rainbow came up and slammed my fly.

Love the story. I can picture it in my mind. Thank you
for sharing!

-T

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On 2010-03-28 01:38:39 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 07:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

You are the first and only person I've heard that "fishes the drift". I
nymph. My friends nymph. My grandsons nymph. My granddaughter nymphs. My
mom and dad nymphed (with wet flies). Peter, Tom, RW, Ken, Frank,
Handyman, et al, nymph. Perhaps Bowan "drifts", but that's only because
he is contrary.

I call it "nymphing" too.

I'm releaved.

When I say "fishing the drift" I
am being more precise as to what I am doing. Specifically,
I am targeting trout that are Kármán gaiting with temptations
that the trout typically see in their diet.

Hmmmm. When I nymph I target ALL the trout and if the water is deep
enough, they do not have to move except to take the lure.

You can nymph in a lake.

Really? Who'd a thunk it! Buzzers work great in lakes, or ponds, or
brooks, or streams, or rivers.

Have you never heard the term "trout feeding off the drift"?

No, I haven't.

If the term offends you too much, just transpose nymph
with drift.

It doesn't offend me. What offends me and others is someone hiding
behind a cloak of anonymity. There is no need to hide. We are family
here. There are no mad men..... well, maybe one or two... who would
actually hurt you. What are you hiding from? We all know each other.
Many of us have fished together, broken bread together, spoke on the
phone, etc. There is no need to hide your identify and by remaining
anonymous you remain suspicious. Is-this-seat-taken please note



Tell me, does your invertebrate drift with the surface current, or the
current underneath the surface current?

I guess you missed the part about knowing you got it
right when your line goes slower than the surface
current and you can occasionally feel you split shot
thumping a rock.

Did I miss that? When I nymph, my line ALWAYS goes slower than the
surface current. It wouldn't be a drag free drift otherwise. When it
stops or hesitates is the exciting part. I don't always use split shot
when I nymph, but yeah, ya gotta know the difference between a rock and
a fish.

You need to go fishing!

I did. Yesterday. Fished a pond just off the mountain. Caught a
couple of small bass while the beautiful lady cooked me lunch on the
fireplace. Nothing on the surface, however. Just a wee bit too cold,
but another week or two and poppers wil be the fly-de-jour. Yesterday
was opening day of trout season here in Georgia, so all waters can be
fished, not just a few open all season.

Dave

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On 2010-03-28 02:26:25 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 07:54 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

Dave!

The "'drift' of the discussion" is pretty clever/funny stuff.
I highly doubt he meant anything uncivil in the slightest.

-T

Uh, either you haven't been around here very long. It was meant as an insult.

Dave

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On 2010-03-27 23:32:51 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010032722554577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.


YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone who
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

Nightmares? BWAAAAaaaahahahahaha. I sleep like a lamb every night
(well up to the point where I hafta drain the main vein). Most folks
who have a beautiful woman in the bed with them sleep well. Oh, that's
right. You couldn't *possibly* know that.

Davie

What to do with my retrieve?
 

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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On 2010-03-27 23:32:51 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen"
said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught
the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. Have sex. Pick your nose. Do something with your life.


YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone who
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

Nightmares? BWAAAAaaaahahahahaha. I sleep like a lamb every night (well
up to the point where I hafta drain the main vein). Most folks who have a
beautiful woman in the bed with them sleep well. Oh, that's right. You
couldn't *possibly* know that.

Davie

Strange that you would claim to know my sleeping arrangements?
So now you have taken to stalking folks to see with whom they sleep.
In fact, it kinda figures--that's what your kind are fond of doing, right.
Its common in Georgia--they even tried to make it legal.
No wonder you moved to Georgia.

Op

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On 2010-03-28 12:27:44 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

No wonder you moved to Georgia.

Op

I didn't move to Georgia, Nitwit. I own a home in Georgia that I
"visit". Still vote and have my autos licensed in Taxachusetts.

d;o)

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"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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On 2010-03-28 01:38:39 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/27/2010 07:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

You are the first and only person I've heard that "fishes the drift". I
nymph. My friends nymph. My grandsons nymph. My granddaughter nymphs. My
mom and dad nymphed (with wet flies). Peter, Tom, RW, Ken, Frank,
Handyman, et al, nymph. Perhaps Bowan "drifts", but that's only because
he is contrary.

I call it "nymphing" too.

I'm releaved.

When I say "fishing the drift" I
am being more precise as to what I am doing. Specifically,
I am targeting trout that are Kármán gaiting with temptations
that the trout typically see in their diet.

Hmmmm. When I nymph I target ALL the trout and if the water is deep
enough, they do not have to move except to take the lure.

You can nymph in a lake.

Really? Who'd a thunk it! Buzzers work great in lakes, or ponds, or
brooks, or streams, or rivers.

Have you never heard the term "trout feeding off the drift"?

No, I haven't.

If the term offends you too much, just transpose nymph
with drift.

It doesn't offend me. What offends me and others is someone hiding behind
a cloak of anonymity. There is no need to hide. We are family here.
There are no mad men..... well, maybe one or two... who would actually
hurt you. What are you hiding from? We all know each other. Many of us
have fished together, broken bread together, spoke on the phone, etc.
There is no need to hide your identify and by remaining anonymous you
remain suspicious. Is-this-seat-taken please note



Tell me, does your invertebrate drift with the surface current, or the
current underneath the surface current?


Heck! A couple of nice guys arguing over a word.

Come on lads just go with the flow :-)

Bill

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On 2010-03-28 18:06:00 -0400, "Bill Grey" said:

Come on lads just go with the flow :-)

That's because the "flow" is unpronounceable in Welsh.

d;o)

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 03/28/2010 06:11 AM, David LaCourse wrote:

Did I miss that? When I nymph, my line ALWAYS goes slower than the
surface current. It wouldn't be a drag free drift otherwise. When it
stops or hesitates is the exciting part. I don't always use split shot
when I nymph, but yeah, ya gotta know the difference between a rock and
a fish.

Do you do a retrieve or do you just pick up and toss back to
the start of your drift? If you retrieve, do you have a favorite
technique?


You need to go fishing!

I did. Yesterday. Fished a pond just off the mountain. Caught a couple
of small bass while the beautiful lady cooked me lunch on the fireplace.
Nothing on the surface, however. Just a wee bit too cold, but another
week or two and poppers wil be the fly-de-jour. Yesterday was opening
day of trout season here in Georgia, so all waters can be fished, not
just a few open all season.

Cool. Sounds like you had fun. Thank you for sharing!
-T

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 03/28/2010 03:06 PM, Bill Grey wrote:

Come on lads just go with the flow :-)

Bill

Can't I just "Drift" in the current? :-)
-T

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 03/28/2010 06:11 AM, David LaCourse wrote:

It doesn't offend me. What offends me and others is someone hiding
behind a cloak of anonymity. There is no need to hide. We are family
here. There are no mad men..... well, maybe one or two

Hi Dave,

I had no idea that was what you were complaining about. I thought
you were thinking I was trying to create new names for things
that were already named.

The " is to keep me off of spam lists. And, remember
that although this groups only has a couple or three psychopaths
on it, that the contents of this group show up on the entire web,
where there are a lot of psychopaths. Here is a link to what
you risk by posting your full identity on the web:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/

For instance, in another posting in this tread, you let us
all know you live in Massachusetts and own a house in George.
(You are probably safe with just that disclosure.)

Mainly, I don't want any more spam.

If you would like me to contact me, just post to this
group and say: "Ping Todd". I check it about four time
a week. I can not resist fishing stories. (I avoid the
political stuff -- get way too nasty and have nothing
to do with fishing. There are other groups for politics.)

-T (A.K.A. Todd)

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On Mar 28, 8:17*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-27 23:32:51 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:







"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010032722554577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. *Have sex. *Pick your nose. *Do something with your life.

YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. *That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone who
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

Nightmares? *BWAAAAaaaahahahahaha. *I sleep like a lamb every night
(well up to the point where I hafta drain the main vein). *Most folks
who have a beautiful woman in the bed with them sleep well. *Oh, that's
right. *You couldn't *possibly* know that.

Davie

What's the longest time you've ever gone without giving in to rage?
Have you ever made it for 24 hours? :)

g.

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 2010-03-28 20:19:06 -0400, Todd said:

On 03/28/2010 06:11 AM, David LaCourse wrote:

It doesn't offend me. What offends me and others is someone hiding
behind a cloak of anonymity. There is no need to hide. We are family
here. There are no mad men..... well, maybe one or two

Hi Dave,

I had no idea that was what you were complaining about. I thought
you were thinking I was trying to create new names for things
that were already named.

Compaining? Nah, not me.

The " is to keep me off of spam lists. And, remember
that although this groups only has a couple or three psychopaths
on it, that the contents of this group show up on the entire web,
where there are a lot of psychopaths. Here is a link to what
you risk by posting your full identity on the web:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/

For instance, in another posting in this tread, you let us
all know you live in Massachusetts and own a house in George.
(You are probably safe with just that disclosure.)

Yeah. I'm friends with Smith and Wesson, and have a big friend called
Browning.

Mainly, I don't want any more spam.

Have you tried it with saltines. It was a life safer in the jungle,
let me tell you. Didn't need to take salt tablets with that stuff
around. Sheeesh.

If you would like me to contact me, just post to this
group and say: "Ping Todd".

Ok. If I want to contact you, I'll just reach out and touch you. teehee.

I check it about four time
a week.

Oh, good. I'll be here.

I can not resist fishing stories.

Didja hear the one about the rabbi, priest, and Methodist minister that
went fishing? Well, it seems.............. oh, I'll have to save that
for another day.

(I avoid the
political stuff -- get way too nasty and have nothing
to do with fishing.

Yeah. It's meant to work that way. Doesn't always work, though.

There are other groups for politics.)

Can't disagree there. d;o)

-T (A.K.A. Todd)

Dave (aka, Idiot, Moron, Pig, Imbecile, and my all time favorite, The Pirate)

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On 2010-03-28 21:48:10 -0400, Giles said:

On Mar 28, 8:17*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-27 23:32:51 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:







"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010032722554577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said
:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" sa
id:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught
the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. *Have sex. *Pick your nose. *Do something with you
r life.

YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. *That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone w
ho
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

Nightmares? *BWAAAAaaaahahahahaha. *I sleep like a lamb every night
(well up to the point where I hafta drain the main vein). *Most folks
who have a beautiful woman in the bed with them sleep well. *Oh, that's
right. *You couldn't *possibly* know that.

Davie

What's the longest time you've ever gone without giving in to rage?
Have you ever made it for 24 hours? :)

g.

When's the last time you had your hands out of your ass?

d.

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On Mar 28, 10:46*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-28 21:48:10 -0400, Giles said:





On Mar 28, 8:17*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-27 23:32:51 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010032722554577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 22:12:23 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said
:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:201003271852338930-dplacourse@aolcom...
On 2010-03-27 17:44:54 -0400, "Mark Bowen" sa
id:

Don't mind Davie, he's a bit slow on the up take and hasn't caught
the
"drift" of the discussion yet.

You just have to stir the pot, dontcha, ****stain.

Go fishing. *Have sex. *Pick your nose. *Do something with you
r life.

YAWN

You've been yawning for almost 60 years, Mark. *That's your problem.

Davie

It beats the **** out of war-mongering and a desire to torture anyone w
ho
might possibly have heard of someone who knows how to spell the word
terrorist.

Happy nightmares Davie.

Op

Nightmares? *BWAAAAaaaahahahahaha. *I sleep like a lamb every night
(well up to the point where I hafta drain the main vein). *Most folks
who have a beautiful woman in the bed with them sleep well. *Oh, that's
right. *You couldn't *possibly* know that.

Davie

What's the longest time you've ever gone without giving in to rage?
Have you ever made it for 24 hours? * * *:)

g.

When's the last time you had your hands out of your ass?

d.-

Moron.

g.

What to do with my retrieve?
 

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 03/28/2010 03:06 PM, Bill Grey wrote:

Come on lads just go with the flow :-)

Bill

Can't I just "Drift" in the current? :-)

-T

Go on then:-)

Bill

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 3/27/2010 1:06 PM, Todd wrote:
On 03/26/2010 09:57 PM, Steve M wrote:
I'd been
using my usual technique of casting, counting down for depth and
stripping in with a slow pulsing strip right along the bottom. That's
how you fish 'buggers, right?

Just out of curiosity, is this the same way you would fish a Muddler?


Pretty much, except when I don't. I find that (at least when I get
started) I'm a creature of habit. If it worked the last time or works
most of the time, that's what I start out doing.. After a while though I
get bored. And it doesn't matter if I'm catching trout or not. I just
need to do something different after a while.

Heh.

A few years ago I was fishing one of my favorite streams in Idaho (which
SHALL remain nameless) and getting plenty of action with west slope
cut-throat. This was like 3 hours into the day and I'd already brought
in excess of 20 trout to hand, so I was not trying something different
out of desperation.

Anyway, I decided what the hell and put on a #10 Acardo Round Dinny
popper (in orange). Now, west slopes are not downstream ivy league fish
concerned about 'nuance' anyway, but it was amazing to watch them slash
at that popper. I'd caught 3 with it and missed a bunch in the first few
minutes.... and then I hooked a really big one.

Yep, it was big. When I got the fish in a little closer it turned out to
be a Bull Trout. Not a real big bull trout at around 20 inches, but a
Bull Trout.

Which, as everyone knows, are not surface feeders.

So, I took a picture of the fish when I got it into shallow water
(popper stuck in it's lips) for proof, managed to extract the popper
without touching it and shooed it back into deeper water where it should
have stayed in the first place.

Silly char, poppers are for trout.


\s

--
"There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend
on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain

What to do with my retrieve?
 

On 03/30/2010 02:56 AM, Steve M wrote:

Silly char, poppers are for trout.

Love it! Thank you for sharing. :-)
-T